Is silva getting criticized unfair?

[Vitor Belfort]

I mean he did dominate maia last night. In boxing they would call his hit and don't get hit style the "sweet science" but this is MMA where fans expect brutal ground and pound and all out slugfest type of fights.

I didn't enjoy one bit of last night fight but if this was boxing you know nuthuggers would have said that was an outstanding performance of the sweet science.

[chimba]

Silva should be released. I wouldnt be surprised that he is in some serious dope. Its truly fuckn his brain up.

[Vitor Belfort]

Silva should be released. I wouldnt be surprised that he is in some serious dope. Its truly fuckn his brain up.

It's hard to released a champion unless there's a contract dispute with the ufc. But i do like how white said he is thinking of putting silva on the undercard next time he fights:lol:

[jimmie]

Well this isnt the first or even secound time hes pulled this shit.

[Vitor Belfort]

Well this isnt the first or even secound time hes pulled this shit.

true i hope vitor belfort gets a shot at him next cuz i want to see vitor KO silva:lol:

[Spman20999]

I mean he did dominate maia last night. In boxing they would call his hit and don't get hit style the "sweet science" but this is MMA where fans expect brutal ground and pound and all out slugfest type of fights.

I didn't enjoy one bit of last night fight but if this was boxing you know nuthuggers would have said that was an outstanding performance of the sweet science.

The difference is that he wasn't playing the role of the technically brilliant tactician; hell he barely did anything in the last two rounds. In fact, I would have scored the last two rounds for Maia who actually bothered to try and hit his opponent with punches. Silva was disgraceful last night...

[Vitor Belfort]

The difference is that he wasn't playing the role of the technically brilliant tactician; hell he barely did anything in the last two rounds. In fact, I would have scored the last two rounds for Maia who actually bothered to try and hit his opponent with punches. Silva was disgraceful last night...

true, i scored the last round for maia since he did attack silva throwing wild punches for a moment.

[jimmie]

true i hope vitor belfort gets a shot at him next cuz i want to see vitor KO silva:lol:

Ive dreamnt that several times in the last year :yep The man who beats Anderson Silva is going to have my love forever I dont care who it is.

[BewareofDawg]

He is getting a little TOO MUCH criticism, but alot of it is warranted.

[Kevin_Wright]

He is getting a little TOO MUCH criticism, but alot of it is warranted.
I can agree with that.

I wouldn't have minded all the show boating if he would have backed it up. But after all the bullshit, IMO he should have lost the last two rounds. And didn't win very impressively.

[demzor]

Don't pound the mat.. then yell and scream at your opponent to engage... then run away the rest of the fight.

He ran away from a bjj guy with one eye and barely any standup.

If youre going to act like a jackass in the ring.. then attempt to finish the fight.

It was embarassing.

[BewareofDawg]

I can agree with that.

I wouldn't have minded all the show boating if he would have backed it up. But after all the bullshit, IMO he should have lost the last two rounds. And didn't win very impressively.
There is a defense to him "not engaging". I don't like the defense or back it up, but I can see it. He is the champion AND he was doing more damage then his challenger. He WAS winning the fight. If he doesn't want to take any unnecessary risks, and was ABLE to ride the fight out and run to stay out of range then that IS his right to do so. I don't like it, I don't think it is good for the sport, I don't even understand why he did it. But hey, it's not my problem....it's Dana's :deal:hey

[jimmie]

There is a defense to him "not engaging". I don't like the defense or back it up, but I can see it. He is the champion AND he was doing more damage then his challenger. He WAS winning the fight. If he doesn't want to take any unnecessary risks, and was ABLE to ride the fight out and run to stay out of range then that IS his right to do so. I don't like it, I don't think it is good for the sport, I don't even understand why he did it. But hey, it's not my problem....it's Dana's :deal:hey

You have a certain obligation to the fans who pay your damn salary to be somewhat entertaining.

[BewareofDawg]

You have a certain obligation to the fans who pay your damn salary to be somewhat entertaining.
I don't see it that way man. I"m sorry, I have been very clear that I didn't like what silva did but he didn't "breach any contract" or anything like that, I'm just pointing out that technically he did his job. Its up to the fans to react now by NOT buying his fights anymore. But I guaruntee, if UFC matches him with Belfort or anyone else who poses a bit of a threat, GSP maybe.....that you, I and everyone else is buying that friggin fight....so in a sense, Silva will get away with his shenanigans last saturday night, becasue he is that damn good and that damn intriguing of a fighter :deal

[codeman99998]

I don't see it that way man. I"m sorry, I have been very clear that I didn't like what silva did but he didn't "breach any contract" or anything like that, I'm just pointing out that technically he did his job. Its up to the fans to react now by NOT buying his fights anymore. But I guaruntee, if UFC matches him with Belfort or anyone else who poses a bit of a threat, GSP maybe.....that you, I and everyone else is buying that friggin fight....so in a sense, Silva will get away with his shenanigans last saturday night, becasue he is that damn good and that damn intriguing of a fighter :deal

I feel like you just said "Yea he screwed the fans by fighting a terrible fight but it's not illegal and he can get away with it so we shouldn't criticize him."

[BewareofDawg]

I feel like you just said "Yea he screwed the fans by fighting a terrible fight but it's not illegal and he can get away with it so we shouldn't criticize him."
Eh I'm just gonna stop, I think I'm coming off in a way I'm not intending too :good I was trying to get at the point that it is up to the fans NOT to support the guy, because technically he DOESN'T HAVE to do anymore then is necessary to get the victory. Forget it

[Gunns4hire]

he dominated the man........the fight was boring as hell...but his criticism is unfair....GSP's fights are boring as hell too.....just because he rolls on the ground for 25min his shit is justifiable....

basically u have to fault both fighters....anderson wasnt fighting himself...and damian maia did much less during the fight....

all of andersons electrifying wins were against fighters who engaged him and attacked...

maia didnt do shit the whole fight but fall on his back....


white is singling out anderson because of his talent level which is basically dissing maia by saying he should've kayoed u cuz u suck compared to him....

[Lynchburg]

I'm a big Silva fan from back in the Pride days but i lost a lot of respect for him the other day.

After the fight he said when interviewed by Joe, "I'm sorry... I don't know whst got into me tonight". Then later on at the post-fight press conference he said he had no need to say sorry...

I was confused by his U-turn in the space of an hour or so?!

On another note WTF happened to BJ Penn? He didn't even attempt the take down... is this signs of a downward spirral?

Lynchburg

[southpaw jab]

Silva should be released. I wouldnt be surprised that he is in some serious dope. Its truly fuckn his brain up.
Silva should be released? Yeah, right, LOL.

[thewinfella]

My theory on this Silva performance was that it was a direct message to White , stop giving me bull shit opponents basically !!!!!!

Think about it , he was complaining when the UFC wanted to make Silva Henderson 2 , so what the fuck has changed with Maia , he has hinted in the past that he does not like the match making he's getting subjected too , there is no clear #1 contender @85 , he has no problems knocking people over @205 , top contenders , why not give him the big fights @205 until Wanderlei & Belfort have established who's the top contender ???? , and lets be real he smashes either of them two as well .

Its insane , why do this , i go back to what i was saying , this is a show of defiance against White & the UFC its obvious , i like Dana's reaction but for me he's gone too far again , all this Dana White is the man , look at the way he's standing up to Anderson Silva etc etc etc , fuck in the 1st round alone he gave us more excitement and action than GSP Hardy did in the whole 5 , yeah what Silva done after that could be seen as out of order but hell thats fighting , he wasnt complaining when Silva put on a masterclass against Griffin was he , GSP hasnt knocked anybody out or stopped a fight since Serra (Penn's corner retired him) , for me this was Anderson saying to the Dana & Joe Silva you give me a joke of an opponent and ill give you this , i could be wrong but thats my theory .

[james4210]

I'm a big Silva fan from back in the Pride days but i lost a lot of respect for him the other day.

After the fight he said when interviewed by Joe, "I'm sorry... I don't know whst got into me tonight". Then later on at the post-fight press conference he said he had no need to say sorry...

I was confused by his U-turn in the space of an hour or so?!

On another note WTF happened to BJ Penn? He didn't even attempt the take down... is this signs of a downward spirral?

Lynchburg

I'm not sure it wasn't his translator/manager speaking in the ring rather than Silva himself.

[Rattler]

They say the true character of a man, is whether he exhibits moral and ethical standards as much when nobody is watching, as he does when everybody is watching.

The general sentiment of that aforementioned concept applies to fighters. Whether or not you're bored or annoyed or whatever, it's your responsibility to give the audience their money's worth.

Now, that's not to say that Anderson Silva should fight Brock Lesnar and try to out wrestle him - he should fight a smart fight, if the matchup requires it, but it does say that a fighter should exhibit the best elements of what fighting is all about; toughness, tenacity, desire - a willingness to put the fight to the opponent as much as is possible.

For his continued failures to do that, yes, Anderson Silva has earned the fervent round of criticism he has received the last few days. You can excuse an isolated incident, but this has become a trend and it's unacceptable.

[chimba]

Silva should be released? Yeah, right, LOL.

Why not? This is the UFC. The Ultimate Fighting Championship.

Hes definitely not Ultimate, He doesnt do any fighting, sure doesnt act like a champion. So whats his story?

[Popkins]

I mean he did dominate maia last night. In boxing they would call his hit and don't get hit style the "sweet science" but this is MMA where fans expect brutal ground and pound and all out slugfest type of fights.

I didn't enjoy one bit of last night fight but if this was boxing you know nuthuggers would have said that was an outstanding performance of the sweet science.

This is the most obscene pile of dogshit I've ever read. The boos would have been every bit as loud for those final, shameful 2 rounds if that fight had been in a boxing ring. I don't know if you've actually watched the fight, but in the final 2 (or even 3) rounds it was not "hit and don't get hit", it was "don't even try to hit, take the piss out of people who have paid money to see this, and don't get hit". I'm genuinely shocked and angry that this thread has been made. There is no excuse whatsoever for how Silva behaved and it would be the exact same if this bullshit was committed in a boxing ring. (see Floyd Mayweather vs Jose Luis Castillo II, the crowd booed Floyd for running in that fight, and he was more active than Silva was on Saturday)

A good way to illustrate this point for those of you who don't follow the sweet science much is to watch Pernell Whitaker vs Julio Cesar Chavez. Then watch Anderson Silva vs Demian Maia. You see, 'hit but don't get hit' does NOT mean refusing to engage in combat or trying to minimize the amount of contact going on. You can hit but not get hit while still being active, and even sporadically aggressive. You can fight on the backfoot, but still throw combinations. It's all about fighting intelligently, not purely being negative or over-cautious or doing the absolute minimum needed to scrape by on a points decision. Pernell Whitaker fights on the backfoot vs Chavez, and he fights with a defensive mindset, but because he wants to prove he is the superior fighter he is still actively trying to win the fight positively by utilizing his own strengths and not merely trying to avoid/evade Chavez and flick out punches to edge the rounds on the cards. He retreats, but he still throws his best punches, still throws them accurately trying to land cleanly, still uses combinations, all done while maintaining an emphasis on defence and safety.

No-one is saying Silva had to come out swinging like Arturo Gatti, no-one is saying he had to rush into battle like the Wanderlei Silva of old. But there is a way to fight intelligently, fight safely, and fight to his own strengths, without refusing to engage, and without running down the clock. Silva is being paid to fight and he should have the professional pride in his work to want to perform to the best of his ability when he is in the octagon. No-one is slating him for not jumping into the best BJJ practitioner in the game with flying knees and takedown attempts, but he could easily have utilized his superb striking game to convincingly and emphatically win every round. Instead of doing absolutely nothing in the final two rounds, he could've boxed actively, using a fast jab, maybe snapping out the odd lightning fast kick.

There really is no excuse whatsoever for running the clock down and refusing to lift a finger, there really really isn't.

[Popkins]

Why not? This is the UFC. The Ultimate Fighting Championship.

Hes definitely not Ultimate, He doesnt do any fighting, sure doesnt act like a champion. So whats his story?

He probably does deserve to get the boot, but I sure as hell don't want to see him released before he's had to face a murderous challenge. I'd love to see Silva vs Shogun at 205. Let's see him clown around then.

[superfly98]

Im noticing silva is taking alot of the stick for this. But I think alot of it lands in dana's corner. He's the match maker. Maia was obviously WAY out of his class you could tell from round one. He ran for most of it he looked like he was gonna shit bricks each time Silva hit him and when he did throw there was no vemom just scared punches. Why on earth would Dana match this it was a pointless fight. With the way Dana's bitching it looks to me that he's trying to take the heat of himself.

[Vitor Belfort]

Im noticing silva is taking alot of the stick for this. But I think alot of it lands in dana's corner. He's the match maker. Maia was obviously WAY out of his class you could tell from round one. He ran for most of it he looked like he was gonna shit bricks each time Silva hit him and when he did throw there was no vemom just scared punches. Why on earth would Dana match this it was a pointless fight. With the way Dana's bitching it looks to me that he's trying to take the heat of himself.

The original plan was silva vs vitor belfort but belfort got injured so maia got the fight. Marquardt and schonen just fought so they weren't ready to take on silva.

[Vitor Belfort]

My theory on this Silva performance was that it was a direct message to White , stop giving me bull shit opponents basically !!!!!!

Think about it , he was complaining when the UFC wanted to make Silva Henderson 2 , so what the fuck has changed with Maia , he has hinted in the past that he does not like the match making he's getting subjected too , there is no clear #1 contender @85 , he has no problems knocking people over @205 , top contenders , why not give him the big fights @205 until Wanderlei & Belfort have established who's the top contender ???? , and lets be real he smashes either of them two as well .

Its insane , why do this , i go back to what i was saying , this is a show of defiance against White & the UFC its obvious , i like Dana's reaction but for me he's gone too far again , all this Dana White is the man , look at the way he's standing up to Anderson Silva etc etc etc , fuck in the 1st round alone he gave us more excitement and action than GSP Hardy did in the whole 5 , yeah what Silva done after that could be seen as out of order but hell thats fighting , he wasnt complaining when Silva put on a masterclass against Griffin was he , GSP hasnt knocked anybody out or stopped a fight since Serra (Penn's corner retired him) , for me this was Anderson saying to the Dana & Joe Silva you give me a joke of an opponent and ill give you this , i could be wrong but thats my theory .

I was just thinking about gsp-hardy fight also. GSP didn't want no part of hardy stand up game so he kept taking him down and beat him with his wrestling. On the other hand silva didn't want no part of maia's ground game so he kept the fight standing. So basically both fighters kept the fight where their opponent is at their weakest(maia striking-Hardy ground game).
Silva is getting criticize more cuz of the showboating he was doing during the fight.

[superfly98]

I was just thinking about gsp-hardy fight also. GSP didn't want no part of hardy stand up game so he kept taking him down and beat him with his wrestling. On the other hand silva didn't want no part of maia's ground game so he kept the fight standing. So basically both fighters kept the fight where their opponent is at their weakest(maia striking-Hardy ground game).
Silva is getting criticize more cuz of the showboating he was doing during the fight.


Interesting if its true what they say about the insults he was throwing during the fight then...he deserves the critism....depending on the the level of gamesmenship

[codeman99998]

I was just thinking about gsp-hardy fight also. GSP didn't want no part of hardy stand up game so he kept taking him down and beat him with his wrestling. On the other hand silva didn't want no part of maia's ground game so he kept the fight standing. So basically both fighters kept the fight where their opponent is at their weakest(maia striking-Hardy ground game).
Silva is getting criticize more cuz of the showboating he was doing during the fight.

Also when GSP took Hardy to the ground he fought Hardy on the ground. As Silva kept the fight standing he did not fight Maia.

[Flexb]

I mean he did dominate maia last night. In boxing they would call his hit and don't get hit style the "sweet science" but this is MMA where fans expect brutal ground and pound and all out slugfest type of fights.

I didn't enjoy one bit of last night fight but if this was boxing you know nuthuggers would have said that was an outstanding performance of the sweet science.

Nobody has acted like that big of an ass in any sport, let alone boxing or MMA. It was him acting like a fuking monkey, yelling and stomping his feet for 2 rounds is what makes him a piece of shit in my book. Then the audacity to actually run from Damien doing the exact same thing he was yelling at Damien for in the rounds prior.

[Vitor Belfort]

Also when GSP took Hardy to the ground he fought Hardy on the ground. As Silva kept the fight standing he did not fight Maia.

true gsp did try to finish hardy but hardy is one tough motha..gsp had him in an armbar and kimura and didn't tap. Silva did nothing.

[james4210]

true gsp did try to finish hardy but hardy is one tough motha..gsp had him in an armbar and kimura and didn't tap. Silva did nothing.

In the post fight interview in the ring GSP said that his technique was off and that he would have a word with his coach about what he was doing wrong. and I think he was referring to his submission attempts.

Hardy has not got some superhuman powers. when those two arm locks are applied correctly. If your opponent doesn't tap they would end up with a broken or dislocated arm.

Hardy had rolled so GSP could not get the required purchase to apply it fully. and the Camorra was not a done deal either.

By all means tell me I'm wrong. but I thought no one can resist a correctly applied armlock that is locked in.

[Vitor Belfort]

In the post fight interview in the ring GSP said that his technique was off and that he would have a word with his coach about what he was doing wrong. and I think he was referring to his submission attempts.

Hardy has not got some superhuman powers. when those two arm locks are applied correctly. If your opponent doesn't tap they would end up with a broken or dislocated arm.

Hardy had rolled so GSP could not get the required purchase to apply it fully. and the Camorra was not a done deal either.

By all means tell me I'm wrong. but I thought no one can resist a correctly applied armlock that is locked in.

It maybe not applied right but gsp still had it on good. Most people would have tap, you could see the pain in hardy's face.

[james4210]

It maybe not applied right but gsp still had it on good. Most people would have tap, you could see the pain in hardy's face.

you're probably right. I don't actually like Hardy very much. I heard him talking once and thought he sounded like such a wanker.

Also I agree with Koschek, that he far more deserved to fight GSP than Hardy, who has basically done nothing in mma so far.

I'll wager we would have had a slightly more exciting fight Koschek vs GSP