OK what happened to Penn ????

[thewinfella]

I know before i start this that people will jump on this and say nothing Edgar outworked him , Edgar outclassed him , Penn nots that good ............

He looked worn out , he was moving very badly off his leed foot , he didnt put any combo's together , he didnt attempt to tie Frankie up or shoot on him and take the fight to the ground , WTF happened to Penn .

You know when a world class fighter has under performed when you hear people saying , WTF is BJ doing here ????

I was sat on my chair almost shouting at the TV trying to urge BJ on , the performance stunk of something wrong , thoughts ???..............

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

BJ wouldn't be able to shoot on Edgar and take him down. Penn isn't a good enough offensive wrestler, and Edgar is simply a better wrestler. BJ wasn't able to get combos off, because Edgar wasn't allowing him to. That is the magic of superior footwork. He was in and out... side to side... Penn never had a chance to really let his hands go long enough to put together effective combos.

This is what people always say when someone so great loses. Of course they don't look anything like you are used to seeing them look. That is because you aren't used to seeing them get beat like that. Doesn't mean that something was wrong with Penn. It just means that Edgar made him look that way. Credit goes to Edgar.

[thewinfella]

BJ wouldn't be able to shoot on Edgar and take him down. Penn isn't a good enough offensive wrestler, and Edgar is simply a better wrestler. BJ wasn't able to get combos off, because Edgar wasn't allowing him to. That is the magic of superior footwork. He was in and out... side to side... Penn never had a chance to really let his hands go long enough to put together effective combos.

This is what people always say when someone so great loses. Of course they don't look anything like you are used to seeing them look. That is because you aren't used to seeing them get beat like that. Doesn't mean that something was wrong with Penn. It just means that Edgar made him look that way. Credit goes to Edgar.

On the whole i agree with you , Edgar's in out side to side movement coupled with un predictable striking was giving Penn a hard time pinning his opponents positon to land anything meaningfull on Edgar combo wise , but particularly late on there were a couple of opportunities for Penn to impose his will and look to land his usually effective close range inside flurrys , and Edgar's stuffed TD attempt late on left him momentarily sitting on his ass , and Penn did nothing , granted Edgar was up pretty quickly but Penn normally would of dived on Edgar .

I do beleive that Penn would of had a hard time looking to take Frankie down as we know how much of an acomplished wrestler he is , but i do not see that as impossible , certainly late on where it would of appeared Penn was gonna strike it out with Edgar regardless if he felt he was winning the fight or not it was very apparent that Penn was looking to beat Edgar stood up , great time for a TD , and ill go back to Edgar's failed TD attempt the 2nd one , Penn should of and normally would of dived on Edgar in that instance .

I think Penn's top game is so good once your there your hanging on for dear life , and while Edgar's wrestling is considerablly better than BJ's i think this counts him into that equation , once Penn has a hold of you on top or side control and you dont explode early and release then your in a bad spot no matter how good your wrestling is .

In summary , i still beleive that wasnt the best BJ we have ever seen , he looked drained , the look on his face in between rounds was one of complete exhaustion just like the Hughes 2 & GSP 2 fight , i hate to say it but he looked un fit , i know Penn has ran out of excuses on this note but i dont think that was the best Penn i really dont , i think Edgar is beatable he fought a good fight has great wrestling , unbeleivabe cardio , great well rounded stand up , some fantastic footwork , he is the complete fighter maybe im wrong but i dont see him emulating Penn and i like Florians chances of KO'ing him TBH .

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

On the whole i agree with you , Edgar's in out side to side movement coupled with un predictable striking was giving Penn a hard time pinning his opponents positon to land anything meaningfull on Edgar combo wise , but particularly late on there were a couple of opportunities for Penn to impose his will and look to land his usually effective close range inside flurrys , and Edgar's stuffed TD attempt late on left him momentarily sitting on his ass , and Penn did nothing , granted Edgar was up pretty quickly but Penn normally would of dived on Edgar .

I do beleive that Penn would of had a hard time looking to take Frankie down as we know how much of an acomplished wrestler he is , but i do not see that as impossible , certainly late on where it would of appeared Penn was gonna strike it out with Edgar regardless if he felt he was winning the fight or not it was very apparent that Penn was looking to beat Edgar stood up , great time for a TD , and ill go back to Edgar's failed TD attempt the 2nd one , Penn should of and normally would of dived on Edgar in that instance .

I think Penn's top game is so good once your there your hanging on for dear life , and while Edgar's wrestling is considerablly better than BJ's i think this counts him into that equation , once Penn has a hold of you on top or side control and you dont explode early and release then your in a bad spot no matter how good your wrestling is .

In summary , i still beleive that wasnt the best BJ we have ever seen , he looked drained , the look on his face in between rounds was one of complete exhaustion just like the Hughes 2 & GSP 2 fight , i hate to say it but he looked un fit , i know Penn has ran out of excuses on this note but i dont think that was the best Penn i really dont , i think Edgar is beatable he fought a good fight has great wrestling , unbeleivabe cardio , great well rounded stand up , some fantastic footwork , he is the complete fighter maybe im wrong but i dont see him emulating Penn and i like Florians chances of KO'ing him TBH .
If it plays out the way that it should. Maynard should be fighting Edgar for the title next. He has definitely earned his shot. If that fight happens... I definitely see Maynard beating Edgar once again. Then... I see Maynard vs Florian possibly happening, with Maynard beating Kenflo, Sherk style. Only Maynard is better than Sherk.

As for what is next for Penn. I posted a thread about that.

[Grievesy]

According to this interview with his tranier he had a sinus infection. Take from that what you will.

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[fatcity]

There is always something when Penn gets schooled.:|

[BewareofDawg]

BJ wouldn't be able to shoot on Edgar and take him down. Penn isn't a good enough offensive wrestler, and Edgar is simply a better wrestler. BJ wasn't able to get combos off, because Edgar wasn't allowing him to. That is the magic of superior footwork. He was in and out... side to side... Penn never had a chance to really let his hands go long enough to put together effective combos.

This is what people always say when someone so great loses. Of course they don't look anything like you are used to seeing them look. That is because you aren't used to seeing them get beat like that. Doesn't mean that something was wrong with Penn. It just means that Edgar made him look that way. Credit goes to Edgar.
BJ took GSP down in the first fight.....the first time he tried. You have absolutely no basis to say BJ couldn't take the much smaller Edgar down. And for the record, I've said that I blame only BJ for not ad******g...I do think BJ won the 1st 3 rounds however.....but BJ was not as motivated, hungry or in shape as he was against Diego Sanchez...and that was clear. Look how damn tired he was between rounds. Come on dude, you are a somewhat intelligent guy, you can't see the difference between BJ going into even the 4th round with Edgar against the 5th with Sanchez when he was pacing back and forth ready to come out and fight. And don't even try it, the pace was NOT that different in the 2 fights.

[BewareofDawg]

And I saw something strange before the fight, look under Penns eyes. There are already dark red marks under each eye before the fight even starts. Normal? No, and anyone who has seen any of BJ's fights knows that.

[Koa]

No reason BJ shouldn't have beaten Edgar.

He's just an odd duck. All the talent in the world, but with either training or mental issues. The guy is one of the most talented raw fighters, if no the most talented raw fighter in the world.. He just isn't dediated to fighting. I wouldn't be surprised if he was messing around, eating plate lunch at L&L or Q&Q everyday, then was like oh shit, I have to cut a shitload of weight before weighin.

[Koa]

There is always something when Penn gets schooled.:|

From BJ's mouth yeah. A lot of us get it, that he lost to GSP, and that GSP is just a bigger, more dedicated and therefore better fighter.

Edgar seems well within what BJ should be able to handle, when he comes in ready and wants to kick someone's ass.

[Rattler]

Frankie had a great gameplan and the aptitude to apply and sustain it. Usually, if a fighter starts to fall behind on the cards and he knows it, he rushes things and starts to freelance - especially against a great talent like Penn - but Edgar stuck it out and trusted that his conditioning would allow him to use the plan to full fruition. That Penn played into it by not being in prime condition doesn't take away from the fact that Frankie pushed that conditioning into becoming a serious element of the fight.

[Koa]

Frankie had a great gameplan and the aptitude to apply and sustain it. Usually, if a fighter starts to fall behind on the cards and he knows it, he rushes things and starts to freelance - especially against a great talent like Penn - but Edgar stuck it out and trusted that his conditioning would allow him to use the plan to full fruition. That Penn played into it by not being in prime condition doesn't take away from the fact that Frankie pushed that conditioning into becoming a serious element of the fight.

But, that's not what a championship fight should be about.. 5 medeocre rounds of neither fighter showcasing their respective skill sets, at an alarmingly un-amazing work rate.

What we come to expect from Champions, is that they show up, conditioned as champions, at least to their greatest ability. Matt Hughes was like this.. The guy showed up and fought his ass off, he talked is conceited shit too, but Matt Hughes never seemed to half ass anything when he was Champ.

With BJ... He will show up one fight, look like the best lb for lb fighter in the world.. Next fight, he will show up overweight, no endurance, and look unimpressive, not for trying to eek out a sure win and not take risks, but because he really didn't prepare himself.

[chimba]

There is always something when Penn gets schooled.:|

How so, the man acted classy in defeat and even congratulated Edgar post fight. Thats pure class considering he won that fight.

[Rattler]

But, that's not what a championship fight should be about.. 5 medeocre rounds of neither fighter showcasing their respective skill sets, at an alarmingly un-amazing work rate.

What we come to expect from Champions, is that they show up, conditioned as champions, at least to their greatest ability. Matt Hughes was like this.. The guy showed up and fought his ass off, he talked is conceited shit too, but Matt Hughes never seemed to half ass anything when he was Champ.

With BJ... He will show up one fight, look like the best lb for lb fighter in the world.. Next fight, he will show up overweight, no endurance, and look unimpressive, not for trying to eek out a sure win and not take risks, but because he really didn't prepare himself.

I understand that, but I don't want to take away from Edgar, because of Penn's mistakes. As they say, you can only fight what they put in front of you. Frankie did that and doesn't deserve to have his efforts taken lightly, simply because Penn isn't as dedicated a champion as a Hughes or a Liddell. The argument that works against Penn, shouldn't shadow what Edgar put out there - which is a little of what is happening now, to a degree.

[Boinko]

Penn's trainer is saying on BJ's website that he had a sinus infection and was on antibiotics and was not one hundred percent. Of course, after offering that as an excuse, he quickly added "I'm not making any excuses."