Teach me about Fedor. His style, his resume, why he's the best.

[Haggis McJackass]

So I'm not a huge MMA fan, but I've been hearing for years that Fedor is the p4p king even though he doesn't fight in the UFC, which is the organization that gets all the attention in the States.

I've watched a couple of highlight vids etc, but what makes virtually everyone agree that Fedor is the best? How has he managed to achieve this consensus?

What are his strengths, and his weaknesses?

How would he fare against Brock Lesnar, who appears to be twice his size?

How long can he keep going?

Etc etc.

Just want to learn more about this guy and the best way to do that is probably to ask MMA fans who know more about it than I do. Thank you in advance.

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[Koa]

So I'm not a huge MMA fan, but I've been hearing for years that Fedor is the p4p king even though he doesn't fight in the UFC, which is the organization that gets all the attention in the States.

I've watched a couple of highlight vids etc, but what makes virtually everyone agree that Fedor is the best? How has he managed to achieve this consensus?

What are his strengths, and his weaknesses?

How would he fare against Brock Lesnar, who appears to be twice his size?

How long can he keep going?

Etc etc.

Just want to learn more about this guy and the best way to do that is probably to ask MMA fans who know more about it than I do. Thank you in advance.

:hat

Fedor is great for many reasons. To start, he is amazingly flexible and quick off his back, see how quickly he sinks this armbar.
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Fedor, is amazingly durable and keeps his focus as well.
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To top it off, he has knockout power. He finishes nearly everybody he fights via sub or knockout.. He also has incredible timing with his punches.
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World class skill on display
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[jimmie]

The strengths would be his fast and powerful hands and the crazy angles in which he throws them. Great grappling base hes got great takedowns and isnt easy to get down and if you do hes an instant armbar. Fedor has the best hips in MMA thats why he so easily generates power and secures armbars. Probablly the best ground and pound in the game its vicious, power, accurate and hes very active with it.

Weaknesses probablly are only his paper thin skin and wide punches. Right now hes getting away with his awful boxing technique but you have to figure one day an elite striker would be able to pick him apart right ? Fedor bleeds alot his only loss was via a cut quickly into the bout and he actually had a NC because of a cut also.

Brock Lesnar is bigger but im not sure what hes supposed to be able to do Fedor. Lesnar wont outstrike him and I dont see him doing much to Fedor on the ground. Lesnar is still green and Fedor is a one trick pony off his back like a Frank Mir who cant defend GNP and only has quick submissions. If Fedor where to get on top Lesnar is could get terrifying agian Lesnar is still green and a big, powerful wrestler like him will be incredibly uncomfertable of his back.

Fedor has a pretty great resume just look at it on the Champions hes beat its amazing. Holds wins over former UFC/Pride Champions in Kevin Randleman, Mark Coleman 2x, Tim Sylvia, Andrei Arlovski, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 2x, Mirko Cro Cop. Abu Dhabi Grappling Champion in Ricardo Arona. K-1 Champions like Mark Hunt and Semmy Schilt.

[boxingcar]

So I'm not a huge MMA fan, but I've been hearing for years that Fedor is the p4p king even though he doesn't fight in the UFC, which is the organization that gets all the attention in the States.

I've watched a couple of highlight vids etc, but what makes virtually everyone agree that Fedor is the best? How has he managed to achieve this consensus?

What are his strengths, and his weaknesses?

How would he fare against Brock Lesnar, who appears to be twice his size?

How long can he keep going?

Etc etc.

Just want to learn more about this guy and the best way to do that is probably to ask MMA fans who know more about it than I do. Thank you in advance.

:hat

Strength:
1 - the best balance on the ground (not just for a hw)
2 - the best sub defense (in the sport, along with Penn)
3 - the best ground & pound (in the sport)
4 - one of the best sub offensive fighter too
5 - amazing stamina (especially for a guy of his size)
6 - amazing workrate. (see above)
7 - most important of all , one of the smartest fighter in the sport.
8 - Has KO power.
9 - top notch reflexes

Weakness:
1 - cuts extremely easily (and bleeds a lot)
2 - His striking (He's a grappler , excels in sambo & judo)
3 - doesn't have the best wrestling (but even if he goes to the ground , the fight will generally go to his advantage).

But he doesn't have a solid boxing technic...that's his major weakness. (but he's got great reflexes...which compensates a lot) best example of this: watch his fight against Arlovski (trained by Roach)....Arlovski has the better technic... Looks like he's hitting fedor...but doesn't.


Why is he the best ?

We can criticise fedor...saying that he fought freakshows & cans..(which is true). However , he also fought B level , gatekeepers , contenders , elites... and defeated them all.

Not everybody can say the same.

Anderson Silva lost against a "can".

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Also lost against a good but inconsistent fighter.

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(in other words , you can't blame these losses on "amazing" competition...not to mention silva cuts to fight at mw)

GSP lost against Serra (b level)...& Matt Hughes (ufc legend , top fighter but still overrated...His groundgame pales in comparison of both GSP & Penn)

Machida is quite one dimensional compared to emelianeko too....Fedor is "almost" perfect.

He is not god , and he's very beatable. (like everybody else). But he prevails in the face of adversity. There's no equivalent in the sport. (in terms of longevity & career).

[jimmie]

Strength:
1 - the best balance on the ground (not just for a hw)
2 - the best sub defense (in the sport, along with Penn)
3 - the best ground & pound (in the sport)
4 - one of the best sub offensive fighter too
5 - amazing stamina (especially for a guy of his size)
6 - amazing workrate. (see above)
7 - most important of all , one of the smartest fighter in the sport.
8 - Has KO power.
9 - top notch reflexes

Weakness:
1 - cuts extremely easily (and bleeds a lot)
2 - His striking (He's a grappler , excels in sambo & judo)
3 - doesn't have the best wrestling (but even if he goes to the ground , the fight will generally go to his advantage).

But he doesn't have a solid boxing technic...that's his major weakness. (but he's got great reflexes...which compensates a lot) best example of this: watch his fight against Arlovski (trained by Roach)....Arlovski has the better technic... Looks like he's hitting fedor...but doesn't.


Why is he the best ?

We can criticise fedor...saying that he fought freakshows & cans..(which is true). However , he also fought B level , gatekeepers , contenders , elites... and defeated them all.

Not everybody can say the same.

Anderson Silva lost against a "can".

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Also lost against a good but inconsistent fighter.

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(in other words , you can't blame these losses on "amazing" competition...not to mention silva cuts to fight at mw)

GSP lost against Serra (b level)...& Matt Hughes (ufc legend , top fighter but still overrated...His groundgame pales in comparison of both GSP & Penn)

Machida is quite one dimensional compared to emelianeko too....Fedor is "almost" perfect.

He is not god , and he's very beatable. (like everybody else). But he prevails in the face of adversity. There's no equivalent in the sport. (in terms of longevity & career).

Outstanding post my freind but one thing I didnt like was the Hughes/GSP 1 comment. I think its worth noting how green GSP was at that point in his career and you could see 4 years later when he totally grapple fucked Hughes how much he had improved.

[achillesthegreat]

His striking is awful but brutal and effective. His grappling is sublime. Fedor will adapt to any situation and will find a way to win.

[Koa]

People talk about his striking like its bad. It's not technically good, yet he knocked Arlovski out, and really stood up against Crocop during a period of his career where he was the most dangerous and capable striker in MMA.

He makes up for less than great technique with uncanny timing of his right hand.

People talk about how his wrestling is sub par, but I don't think there are many people that would take a top notch wrestling game over the type of Sambo/ judo game he brings to the table. I mean, seriously... Who gives a fuck about wrestling when you have his clinch and ground game? Would you trade wrestling talent for what he has going on?

[boxingcar]

Outstanding post my freind but one thing I didnt like was the Hughes/GSP 1 comment. I think its worth noting how green GSP was at that point in his career and you could see 4 years later when he totally grapple fucked Hughes how much he had improved.

Don't get me wrong. I think GSP is one of the best in the sport. As a matter of fact , i also think the likes of Anderson , Machida & Penn (and a few others , but i'm mentioning these guys because most fans tend to include them in their top P4P list)... Are also amazing.

And yeah , the GSP from 2004 wasn't as experienced (personally i'd argue that he already was experienced enough , and could've easily defeated Matt Hughes the first time but he gave the guy too much respect.. maybe he was starstruck or something. ).

The reason why i still mention this defeat is for the same reason i talk about Anderson's losses (against Takase & Chonan)..Difference is..Anderson was actually quite experienced at the time (in 2004). and people often forget that the guy is 35 yrs old )..Unlike GSP who's 28 now.

I have to talk about these losses because when people criticize fedor for fighting cans or b level fighters (yet they always forget to mention that he also defeated contenders , gatekeepers & top fighters..) , They conveniently forget to say that the likes of Silva , GSP , Penn...had to deal with a bunch of losses & these losses weren't always against the cream of the crop.

The point is....Shit happens.

It happened to lennox (against rahman) to (prime) Aerts , (prime) Tyson, to (prime) crocop....etc...and i'm not insinuating that these were flukes.

shit almost happened to Muhammad ali against Henry Cooper (could've changed the course of boxing history)... And almost happened to Fedor against Fujita....But didn't.

When anderson was confronted by an unexpected situation...he failed.

So yes , these losses happened a long time ago.

But hey , is it an excuse to ignore them ? ...

Anderson started his career in 2000....(just like Fedor)
The night Silva lost to Chonan , Fedor was fighting prime Nogueira. (that was in 2004 both fedor and silva were on the same card..)...

I'm repeating myself here , but Penn , GSP , Anderson etc...are top quality fighters. I think it sucks to always talk about these losses because (obviously) their careers don't revolve around them.

But...if someone asks me why fedor "is the best"..I'm forced to mention these differences. Because that's what fedor is about. beating the odds. Maybe he'll start losing his next fights. But based on what he has achieved so far...there's no equivalent in the sport.

[Kid Cuba]

So I'm not a huge MMA fan, but I've been hearing for years that Fedor is the p4p king even though he doesn't fight in the UFC, which is the organization that gets all the attention in the States.

I've watched a couple of highlight vids etc, but what makes virtually everyone agree that Fedor is the best? How has he managed to achieve this consensus?

What are his strengths, and his weaknesses?

How would he fare against Brock Lesnar, who appears to be twice his size?

How long can he keep going?

Etc etc.

Just want to learn more about this guy and the best way to do that is probably to ask MMA fans who know more about it than I do. Thank you in advance.

:hat
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Someone posted a video of Fedor vs Cro Cop here.

If you havent already watched it I would recommend it.

[snakey112]

he beats everyone at their own game, he beat cro cop standing, he jumped into nog's guard and smashed him there etc, undefeated, has fought and beat the best in the world, the calmest fighter to fight in MMA he could be in a position that looks like anyone else is in they would lose but he always manages to come out the winner.

[hopkinsfan07]

I dont think his striking is bad when compared to most of MMA, Arlovski is the best strikers in the HW and one of the best in MMA.....just has a terrible chin lol.

[Pachilles]

He got slammed on his head and his neck crunched, but like the terminator felt no pain, and had the guy in an armbar tapping 10 seconds later.

He is undefeated and fought the very best in pride, which at the time, had a far deeper talent pool than the ufc has ever had.

Almost all of his victories have been utterly decisive. No question at all to who won the fight

[Sloth]

he beats everyone at their own game, he beat cro cop standing, he jumped into nog's guard and smashed him there etc, undefeated, has fought and beat the best in the world, the calmest fighter to fight in MMA he could be in a position that looks like anyone else is in they would lose but he always manages to come out the winner.



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What he said:good

[Deckard]

His style? Sloppy. His resume? Weak. He's the best? No.

[Phil]

So I'm not a huge MMA fan, but I've been hearing for years that Fedor is the p4p king even though he doesn't fight in the UFC, which is the organization that gets all the attention in the States.

I've watched a couple of highlight vids etc, but what makes virtually everyone agree that Fedor is the best? How has he managed to achieve this consensus?

What are his strengths, and his weaknesses?

How would he fare against Brock Lesnar, who appears to be twice his size?

How long can he keep going?

Etc etc.

Just want to learn more about this guy and the best way to do that is probably to ask MMA fans who know more about it than I do. Thank you in advance.

:hat

mate i was you about a year ago.. and in my mind its simple.. He doesnt lose .. thats all he just wins no matter what never even looks like his in trouble just so calm and wins..

he'd beat brock cos .. he doesnt lose its that simple..his a machine a terminator and in his mind he cant get beat and he doesnt

[thejokerswild]

Some want to give him crap about his striking against Arlovski but there was a veteren playing the game perfect. He threw what he had but also extending Arlovskis more able attack while doing it. Thats one of the most basic boxing and guerilla strategies. The young stud got played, simple as that.

Probably the one fight that can define his career to a tee, it doesn't matter your strength he's like a sun tzu in battle.

You can go on about the his extensive abilities, strength of attack, his oppositions weakness but his greatest strength is that he's a winner. Master of tactics, strategy and intuitive genius.

[monaroCountry]

Some want to give him crap about his striking against Arlovski but there was a veteren playing the game perfect. He threw what he had but also extending Arlovskis more able attack while doing it. Thats one of the most basic boxing and guerilla strategies. The young stud got played, simple as that.


According to Fedor, he wasnt so much playing Arlovsk. Fedor however saw early on a flaw in how Arlovski moved and attacked and WAITED FOR THE MOMENT.

[Delroc]

His style? Sloppy. His resume? Weak. He's the best? No.
this might be sarcasm because Fedor CLEARLY has one of the best resumes EVER and his "sloppy" style as overcome more "technically" gifted fighters, if this is indeed your opinion then there is no other explanation other then your an idiot.

[thejokerswild]

According to Fedor, he wasnt so much playing Arlovsk. Fedor however saw early on a flaw in how Arlovski moved and attacked and WAITED FOR THE MOMENT.
That post contradicts itself :mad:.

He changed his plan to expose the young fighter and executed perfectly.

His tactics changed to give the over confident Andrei Arlovski ground to extend his attack, because he was getting beaten to the punch. He knew there were flaws in Arlovskis attack and drawing back is how you expose them.

He saw the split second opportunity he wanted and seized. Sucked him right in.

It was a lucky opportunity more based on Arlovskis stupidity but can't take that away from Fedors smarts to give a charged up kick boxer a bit of credit. And thats what sums him up pretty much, if he can win he'll find a way.

[Body Head]

overrated piece of shit.

He beat Sylvia and Arlovski when they were way past their best. His resume is lacking compared to UFC fighters. I just don't know how delusional asswipes see Fedor as the best MMA fighter ever it's truly fucken ridiculous.

[tri-pod]

overrated piece of shit.

He beat Sylvia and Arlovski when they were way past their best. His resume is lacking compared to UFC fighters. I just don't know how delusional asswipes see Fedor as the best MMA fighter ever it's truly fucken ridiculous.


:lol: Wow.

[Delroc]

overrated piece of shit.

He beat Sylvia and Arlovski when they were way past their best. His resume is lacking compared to UFC fighters. I just don't know how delusional asswipes see Fedor as the best MMA fighter ever it's truly fucken ridiculous.
:lol:

[boxingcar]

overrated piece of shit.

He beat Sylvia and Arlovski when they were way past their best. His resume is lacking compared to UFC fighters. I just don't know how delusional asswipes see Fedor as the best MMA fighter ever it's truly fucken ridiculous.

Arlovski had a 5 winning streak and was trained by Roach before he fought Fedor. Had wins over Rothwell , Werdum & Nelson. So no , he fought Arlovski right in time. You may have a point about Sylvia though.

However , the asswipe is you. Because if his resume is lacking compared to "ufc fighters". I defy you to prove it. Let's start with UFC's # 1 HW.

Lesnar.
His biggest wins:
Herring (that gave him a shot to fight for the belt against Couture).

Herring was mauled by emelianenko about 6 or 7 years ago. (did a way better job than Lesnar btw).

Who else ? Couture It's funny that you dismiss fedor's win against the likes of arlovski & sylvia yet you have no problems with a 45 yr old holding his own against a much bigger opponent.

Who else ? Mir...Exposed years ago by Ian Freeman. (much smaller than Lesnar btw).

What is so special about all these opponents ? Mir's crowning career achievement was to beat a washed up Nogueira. Fedor did that in 2003...7 years ago...when he was # 1 and in his prime..

Who's resume are you talking about ? Carwin's maybe ?...His claim to fame ? Beating Gonzaga & Mir.

Gonzaga gave him an instant shot at the belt...but Lesnar wasn't available. So he had to fight Mir. Keep in mind , Gonzaga was owned twice by Werdum. (yet that guy was kicked out of the ufc) and the only reason why everyone remembers Gonzaga's name is because of his victory over Crocop.

Again...Big fucking deal. Emelianenko defeated the guy in 2005 when he was contender material.

Who else ? Kongo ? same case as Gonzaga...(only Kongo found a way to even lose against a washed up heath herring).

Who else ? Cain Velasquez ...His claim to fame ? Same as Mir...beating a washed up Nogueira (and Kongo). That's the only noteworthy thing he did in his career. Again , Fedor did that 7 years ago , during Nogueira's prime.

In a nutshell...These guys made a name for themselves after beating washed up and past prime fighters...fighters that emelianenko defeated in their prime several years ago.

[Body Head]

For instance off the top of my head Jason Guida easily has a better resume than Fedor.

[196osh]

For instance off the top of my head Jason Guida easily has a better resume than Fedor.

Epic fail on the funnies...:good

[Popkins]

overrated piece of shit.

He beat Sylvia and Arlovski when they were way past their best. His resume is lacking compared to UFC fighters. I just don't know how delusional asswipes see Fedor as the best MMA fighter ever it's truly fucken ridiculous.

Hopefully you are soon transferred from 'Body Head' to Body Bag, as the only fitting punishment for your post is immediate death.

[thejokerswild]

For instance off the top of my head Jason Guida easily has a better resume than Fedor.
One day when your balls drop my friend, you will think with your brain. :rofl

[Body Head]

Epic fail on the funnies...:good

:rofl:rofl:rofl

demian maia in your avy......lose a bet? :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[Phil]

overrated piece of shit.

He beat Sylvia and Arlovski when they were way past their best. His resume is lacking compared to UFC fighters. I just don't know how delusional asswipes see Fedor as the best MMA fighter ever it's truly fucken ridiculous.

Dana ... is that you :blood

[cryptic]

Fedor would get his ass knocked out by Anderson Silva should they ever fight

[jsalerno]

Hopefully you are soon transferred from 'Body Head' to Body Bag, as the only fitting punishment for your post is immediate death.

This.
:lol:

[jsalerno]

Fedor would get his ass knocked out by Anderson Silva should they ever fight

The level of your ignorance is truly staggering. How about put together an intelligent argument to why this would be the case, starting with the fact of AS facing Fedor at HW.

[196osh]

:rofl:rofl:rofl

demian maia in your avy......lose a bet? :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

No. Im supporting a fighter I like post ass whooping.

Now.

Fuck off ya ignorent noob.

[Black2023]

He got slammed on his head and his neck crunched, but like the terminator felt no pain, and had the guy in an armbar tapping 10 seconds later.

He is undefeated and fought the very best in pride, which at the time, had a far deeper talent pool than the ufc has ever had.

Almost all of his victories have been utterly decisive. No question at all to who won the fight


The key ---- he wins convincingly

[cryptic]

The level of your ignorance is truly staggering. How about put together an intelligent argument to why this would be the case, starting with the fact of AS facing Fedor at HW.

silva is faster, more technical, tougher

[Popkins]

silva is faster, more technical, tougher

Tougher??


I didn't think they had internet access in asylums.

[196osh]

Tougher??


I didn't think they had internet access in asylums.

:rofl:rofl

[cryptic]

Tougher??


I didn't think they had internet access in asylums.

just cause fedor has the demeanor of a personality-less, soul-less zombie, this does not make him tough

[Sloth]

For instance off the top of my head Jason Guida easily has a better resume than Fedor.




I can see you are new to MMA. And common sense in general.:deal

[196osh]

just cause fedor has the demeanor of a personality-less, soul-less zombie, this does not make him tough

:rofl:rofl

:patsch

[Sloth]

just cause fedor has the demeanor of a personality-less, soul-less zombie, this does not make him tough



No, his resume and testimony from past opponents is though. If Fedor is not the best, then who is?:huh

[Joe]

No, his resume and testimony from past opponents is though. If Fedor is not the best, then who is?:huh

Apperantly it's Jason Guida...
:lol:

[jsalerno]

silva is faster, more technical, tougher

Look you have got the reactions you have got because you have came out and disregarded the most widely considered top P4P fighter in MMA's history - to just say he would get his ass kicked - albeit against an amazing fighter like AS is quite ridiculous.

Granted AS is an amazing fighter but i dont think you can say he would have an easy time beating fedor similarly it would not be rationale to think fedor would have an easy time beating AS.

Unfortunately i dont see this fight happening but if it did, as always i would have money on fedor. This has nothing to do with his personality as some genius suggested - it is pure ability and techinique - quite simply fedors record and more importantly opponents are superior to those AS has faced .