Pacman wants Valero next.

[PacDbest]

Are you happy now guys????

Make it happen Arum!!! We need Pac's exciting style back!!!

[LogDog69]

This is getting old. I want to know who he's really fighting, no matter who it is. So far I've heard David Diaz, Juan Diaz, Marquez, Casa was supposedly calling him out, and now I'm hearing he wants Valero. :roll:

[Vantage_West]

r.i.p velero

really velero isnt as bad as people think he hits hard even if his record over exagerates the fact but he can punch and does ahave some skills...it isnt that much of a one sided fight.

but paq wins and velero gets some credabilty.

[Vantage_West]

This is getting old. I want to know who he's really fighting, no matter who it is. So far I've heard David Diaz, Juan Diaz, Marquez, Casa was supposedly calling him out, and now I'm hearing he wants Valero. :roll:

oooo casa:think i like that 2 southpaws is a interesting fight and casa thrives on slugger/punchers :happy bring it on "one" says

[Raden]

Translation of some parts of the article.
Remarking on Marquez's purse demand, Pacquiao said: “Mahirap kalaban si Marquez kasi humihingi ng malaking premyo. Gusto niya mas malaki pa ang premyo niya sa akin. Di kami magkasundo. Pero kung papayag sa negotiation, walang problema na matuloy ang laban."
The fight with Marquez is little bit difficult because he is asking a big prize. He wants bigger than what I am going to receive. We both could not agree on that matter. But there will be no problem and the fight will be done if we agree on negotiation.

“Sinabi ko nahirapan ako sa timbang, pero parang pabiro lang namin sa grupo," he said. "Pagtimbang ko, naka-shorts pa ako. Sakto lang, 130 lbs. Tinakot ko lang kasama ko na overweight ako." I said that I was having difficulty in my wieght but I was just joking with the group. During my weigh-in, I was wearing a shorts and I was 130lbs exactly.. I was just scaring my colleagues so I told them I was overweight.

"Naisip ko na pagkatapos ng fight ko kay Barrera, sabi ko aakyat na ako siguro ako 135 pounds," he said. "Tapos may nakapagsabi: 'Sino ba tatalo kay Manny Pacquiao?' Ang sabi: 'Tanging si Valero.' Parang sabi ko: 'O sige, bababa muna ako ng 130 pounds. Mag-stay muna ako. Hintayin ko na magkatagpo kami para mapatunayan ko kung kaya ko siya talunin."After the fight with barrera, I thought of moving-up to 135lbs, but somebody said "Who can defeat manny Pacquiao"?, someone responded "Only Valero has the chance". Then I said, Okay, I will still remain at 130, then I will wait for that time when we fight so that I could prove if I can beat him....

"Di pa siguro puwede mag-retire," he said. "Sa tuwing may fight ako, nagkakataon na nagkakagulo ang ating kababayan. Pagkatapos ng fight ko, nagkakaisa ang sambayanang Filipino. Di pa tamang panahon na magretiro sa boxing. Di pa naman ako 34, 33 o 32 – 28 years old lang. Kung titingnan mo, 22 years old nga eh." I think I need not to retire yet. When I have a fight, there is always a coincidence that the country is in chaos. But after my fight, the chaos are always settled. It's not the right time to retire from boxing. I'm only 28 years old, not 34, 33, or 32.. If you take a look at my face, seems like I'm only 22... he he he.. (joking)

[PATSYS]

This is getting old. I want to know who he's really fighting, no matter who it is. So far I've heard David Diaz, Juan Diaz, Marquez, Casa was supposedly calling him out, and now I'm hearing he wants Valero. :roll:

What is getting old? Or are you saying that Pac should not say who he wants to fight next unless the contract is already signed?

All fighters say about who they prefer to fight next. but as to who they actually fight pretty much depends on many factors.

[mad_takamura]

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Are you happy now guys????

Make it happen Arum!!! We need Pac's exciting style back!!! i saw the interview myself: looks like pac is a little bit pissed by valero's claim that he is the only one who can "beat" pac..

[PacDbest]

When Pac was still at 122, he said he wants Barrera.

After he beat Barrera he said he wants JMM & Morales.

After trilogy with Morales he said he wants Barrera again.

Whatever Pac wants he always get it. He names Valero at 130 & David Diaz at 135. The only time we will see Pac vs JMM2 is if he didn't Price himself up.

[Morrissey]

Valero, JMM, Guzman, Soto.

I am happy as long as he fights them.

[Raden]

Valero, JMM, Guzman, Soto.

BTW, why these four didn't fight each other?

[mad_takamura]

BTW, why these four didn't fight each other? guz and soto is scheduled to fight each other as an undercard , jmm on the other hand is gonna be fighting juarez: a mab leftover all in november.
valero is the problem as he is yet to have a med. certificate or clearance to fight in the u.s. due to his medical problems which came from a brain surgery due to a motorcycle accident.
because of that he can only fight in japan: his adopted home now so the chances of big fights for valero in the u.s. is quite slim.
unless if negotiated right: him and pac can fight in macau or beter yet: he finally gets his clearance to fight in the u.s.

[Raden]

Yes, and I believe that if this fight happens, it will be done in japan or in Macau...and probably here in Philippines...

Valero cannot enter US not only because of Medical record but also because he is Venezuelan (I heard that US banned Venezuelans..not sure)...

[Amsterdam]

When Pac was still at 122, he said he wants Barrera.

After he beat Barrera he said he wants JMM & Morales.

After trilogy with Morales he said he wants Barrera again.

Whatever Pac wants he always get it. He names Valero at 130 & David Diaz at 135. The only time we will see Pac vs JMM2 is if he didn't Price himself up.

Well, JMM is a challenge also. Let's see Pac get eaten alive by Guzman in the near future.:yep :good

[mad_takamura]

btw, i don't want pac and valero 2 fight in japan, cuz officiating there is very questionable.
not that in the phi it's like that too: we ain't known for that. :bart
but in japan: i remember a local winning from a headbutt caused to him eventhough it came from a punch plus it was pretty evident that that local was behind points. he was like "saved" by the officials there.
and there are other bad officiating stories there both in mma and boxing but i yet to hear of a k-1 bad officiating there. :-(

[LogDog69]

What is getting old? Or are you saying that Pac should not say who he wants to fight next unless the contract is already signed?

All fighters say about who they prefer to fight next. but as to who they actually fight pretty much depends on many factors.

No I'm just tired of being teased...I want to know who he is "definitely" fighting so I can try to form an opinion on who I think will win

[MrMagic]

JMM,Guzman,Diaz,Casa stand a pretty damn good chance at beating Pacman.

Valero is too much of a brawler to survive, his skills are overrated, he simply overwhelms his opponents, and that can't be done in an effective way against someone that's better then him in all categories.
Pac KO Valero

[Raden]

I watched all youtube videos of Valero and I noticed he is very dependent on his left hand... easy to defend for Manny...

[UKITAZ]

Guys, at the end of the day Valero vs Pac would be sooooooo much fun to watch .. im well up for that match being made.

[hmi]

JMM first, then he can fight anybody. But he needs JMM at 130 to settle once and for all who is THE MAN at 130...

Valero has never fought on an American TV network and therefore is less known to moderate boxing/sports fans than Marquez is. Let Edwin build up his name a little bit over the next year - then fight him at the end of '08...
He can't get a license to fight in the US. If the fight will ever happen, it will be in Macau.

[Spitfire7]

JMM first, then he can fight anybody. But he needs JMM at 130 to settle once and for all who is THE MAN at 130...

Valero has never fought on an American TV network and therefore is less known to moderate boxing/sports fans than Marquez is. Let Edwin build up his name a little bit over the next year - then fight him at the end of '08...

:goodPretty much my 08 wish too, bro.

[retriever]

If JMM realy want to fight PAC then he should just accept the fact that PAC is the higher draw and Pac should get the higher purse. its all in JMM's hands if he want the rematch to happen. He's avoiding pac too long.

[Bangis]

No I'm just tired of being teased...I want to know who he is "definitely" fighting so I can try to form an opinion on who I think will win

dont hold on this buddy... nothings definite... i learned that along time ago with regards to who PAc's gonna fight next... i dont want to get excited for a fight that isnt sure to happen... remember soto? PAC said he wants soto after soto beat his brother... but PAC fought with solis...

[PowerPuncher]

Decent enough fight but what about the 2 biggest threats - Guzman and JMM.

[Raden]

Decent enough fight but what about the 2 biggest threats - Guzman and JMM.Both are avoiding Pac, especially JMM, who is making the purse as an excuse..

[C Money]

If Pac wants to SILENCE all critics? JMM is necessary for Ring Belt, the winner of Guzman vs Soto, AND Valero are involved.

What he should do is make the NEXT fight for whomever of the 3 are willing, available, and agree to the fight.:yep

Clean out 30 before 30 and he can still move up to a marquee matchup at 35 and make much more money, and REAL RESPECT, to go with all the "titles".:good

[PowerPuncher]

Both are avoiding Pac, especially JMM, who is making the purse as an excuse..

Actually Pacmans avoiding Guzman, Guzman would get a career high payday and would take the fight in a miniute. He called Pacman out but Pacman didnt reply. Now Guzman is fighting Sotto and has already beat Barrios for the WBO belt. He was also proven and ducked at 122 and 126.

Guzmans got a very difficult style for Pacman to fight, skills, speed, footwork, defense, good power. He looks a bit like Mayweather with power

JMM maybe avoiding the fight, we need to hear his side of the story before passing judgement

[koko of phil]

Pac should fight JMM first, then Guzman or Valero before moving up at 135.

[Brickhaus]

Actually Pacmans avoiding Guzman, Guzman would get a career high payday and would take the fight in a miniute. He called Pacman out but Pacman didnt reply. Now Guzman is fighting Sotto and has already beat Barrios for the WBO belt. He was also proven and ducked at 122 and 126.

Guzmans got a very difficult style for Pacman to fight, skills, speed, footwork, defense, good power. He looks a bit like Mayweather with power

JMM maybe avoiding the fight, we need to hear his side of the story before passing judgement

Mayweather at 130 had 3x as much power as Guzman does.

Pac's not ducking Guzman. I don't get why the Guzman huggers don't get this. It's not a money fight. Guzman isn't a name, and there are three other guys who are bigger names who are equally big threats. If Guzman beats Soto, maybe he'll see his name improve, but in the meantime he's unknown and unproven.

[Raden]

Guzman is hell too slow for Pacman ...

[saul_ir34]

Fight SOTO!!! He would make for a better fight than Valero. Valero is not experienced enough yet. and seems to have no technique. Thats why Pac wants to fight him he is the least experienced of the 4 out there and the one he will beat more than likely. JMM is tough as he found out. Guzman is faster than he is and has good technique. Soto is strong and technically sound so of course avoid him when he calls you out. Come on Pac step it up you go from fighting the old legends to the newbies like Valero...

[Alo2006]

He next fight should be with JMM or the winner of Soto vs Guzman :yep

[puga_ni_nana]

it should be marquez just to prove who is the better fighter. if he pushes with valero, it would still be ok because it would also be an entertaining match.

[saul_ir34]

Guzman is hell too slow for Pacman ...

go to youtube and look at guzman working with the pads. its blazing fast. he is definately faster than Pac. not better though, at least hasnt proved it yet.

[reed_man02]

Pac is avoiding the JMM fight it seems. What happen to the pac who took on all challenges? If pac really wanted to fight JMM he could have made the fight happen. I dont want to believe pac is scared but that appears to be the case.

[retriever]

Seems like JMM's outpricing himself again to avoid Pac.

[PATSYS]

JMM and the winner of Guzman-Soto, then Pac retires as one of the greatest 126-130 lbs ever. :good

[charlievint]

r.i.p velero

really velero isnt as bad as people think he hits hard even if his record over exagerates the fact but he can punch and does ahave some skills...it isnt that much of a one sided fight.

but paq wins and velero gets some credabilty.

I agree! Valero is no joke. He's still green in the sense that he's only faught 2 fighters that were quality opponents. PAC has an entire laundry list.

But I do think PAC wins this one by late round KO and it will be a great WAR. Both stocks will rise!

[charlievint]

Well, JMM is a challenge also. Let's see Pac get eaten alive by Guzman in the near future.:yep :good

Guzman will be quite a meal for PAC. Maybe a bit difficult to swallow but ultimately PAC shits on Guzman in one form or anther.:yep

[kg0208]

Vakero is ok by me....he is still the lesser of the belt holders at 130 though admittedly. We all know this. I haven't read the whole thread, but why him and not the Guzmam/Soto winner?

[kg0208]

Mayweather at 130 had 3x as much power as Guzman does.

Pac's not ducking Guzman. I don't get why the Guzman huggers don't get this. It's not a money fight. Guzman isn't a name, and there are three other guys who are bigger names who are equally big threats. If Guzman beats Soto, maybe he'll see his name improve, but in the meantime he's unknown and unproven.

But Valero isn't one of them. He can't fight Valero and say "Guzman isn't a money fight."

Either way, I am happy with a Valero fight....I just think there are better out there. Kinda like I am happy with PBF-Hatton, though there are better fights to be made IMO.

[charlievint]

Actually Pacmans avoiding Guzman, Guzman would get a career high payday and would take the fight in a miniute. He called Pacman out but Pacman didnt reply. Now Guzman is fighting Sotto and has already beat Barrios for the WBO belt. He was also proven and ducked at 122 and 126.

Guzmans got a very difficult style for Pacman to fight, skills, speed, footwork, defense, good power. He looks a bit like Mayweather with power

JMM maybe avoiding the fight, we need to hear his side of the story before passing judgement

It's not PAC avoiding Joan...it's Joan has nothing to bring to the table. Belts aren't a concern for PAC b/c he has the respect of the boxing world by his preformance, Dominance and level of opposition. We all know he's the real deal.

PAC makes fights that make financial cents and that fans want to see. Some fans.....hardcore boxing fans know Joan is a good fighter with a slick and crafty style and know it would be a decent fight for PAC....BUT NO ONE ELSE knows who Joan is and don't care to make the fight.

When Joan...IF...Joan gets past Soto it will set him up to be in position to really make a statement and to call out PAC...and at that Time PAC will be more willing to listen. Right now Joan offers nothing but a WBO belt which in today's boxing almost any good fighter can grab.

[charlievint]

Pac is avoiding the JMM fight it seems. What happen to the pac who took on all challenges? If pac really wanted to fight JMM he could have made the fight happen. I dont want to believe pac is scared but that appears to be the case.

LOL...JMM is doing what he has always done since his first meeting with PAC....AVOID HIM! He doesn't want to get back in the ring with PAC b/c he knows the outcome. PAC isn't pricing himself out of the fight...JMM is. He's asking for MORE $$ than PAC would receive! That's just saying (Without saying) that he doesn't want to do a rematch. I don't balme him either.

[charlievint]

I would be happy if he gave Valero a chance but why isn't he gunning for a rematch with marquez or the winner of Soto?

Why valero?

He tried for JMM but you can't make a man fight if he just doesn't want to. In boxing when you price yourself out of a fight its as good as saying you are either scared, you really don't want the fight or you know your worth and fighting for what you deserve. The later is not the case for JMM.....he's asking for MORE than what PAC would Make! That's just ridiculous!

[the_what]

Pacman/Valero = Hagler/Hearns

I hope it goes down. :happy

[boxbox]

He should fight Valero first, he has a belt that PAC needs right now, and i think this is feasible to negotiate since the others have their own fights to finish. And its not even sure if the prospective opponents will get a win. Its better to set up a fight with someone with a belt than to try and negotiate for a fight not knowing if it will be a championship bout.

[bumdujour]

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Are you happy now guys????

Make it happen Arum!!! We need Pac's exciting style back!!!

really?? i heard he was fighting morales again:rasta

[Boom_Boom]

Pac by Murder

but JMM still must be next

[peter5]

LOL...JMM is doing what he has always done since his first meeting with PAC....AVOID HIM! He doesn't want to get back in the ring with PAC b/c he knows the outcome. PAC isn't pricing himself out of the fight...JMM is. He's asking for MORE $$ than PAC would receive! That's just saying (Without saying) that he doesn't want to do a rematch. I don't balme him either.

There are plenty of people that would say JMM won that fight! me included, therefore I doubt JMM is shitting himself about a re-match. In actual fact I only gave pac 3 rounds of that fight! Or was it 2?

[4Rounder]

It will not happen.

Arum wants a big fight between two fighters of his own stable. Right now he is just waiting to see if Soto can beat Guzman to make that fight on PPV next year.

If Soto loses to Guzman then Arum will give Pac another tune up before a fight with JMM. He is gonna try to milk Pacquiao as much as he can in the US before placing him against a risky unknown.

[pejevan]

go to youtube and look at guzman working with the pads. its blazing fast. he is definately faster than Pac. not better though, at least hasnt proved it yet.

Is it comparing workout speeds now? Why don't you dissect his fight with Barrios and tell me if there is something special about Guzman.

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[psychopath]

This is getting old. I want to know who he's really fighting, no matter who it is. So far I've heard David Diaz, Juan Diaz, Marquez, Casa was supposedly calling him out, and now I'm hearing he wants Valero. :roll:

What's wrong with you? Haven't you also heard that almost everybody is mentioning the guy's name? :D :yep

Probably just to stir up the fans anticipation. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[divac]

Who the hell here is involved in Pac-JMM negotiations that they know that JMM is pricing himself out or that Pac does'nt want the fight???

My guess is that real negotiations have'nt even begun for a fight between them two.....Pac just fought MAB a few days ago, and JMM is about to fight Rocky Juarez.
If the fight is to be made, I would'nt expect for it to be announced until Marquez gets past Juarez!

[reed_man02]

Who the hell here is involved in Pac-JMM negotiations that they know that JMM is pricing himself out or that Pac does'nt want the fight???

My guess is that real negotiations have'nt even begun for a fight between them two.....Pac just fought MAB a few days ago, and JMM is about to fight Rocky Juarez.
If the fight is to be made, I would'nt expect for it to be announced until Marquez gets past Juarez!

I doubt JMM is making offers or demends at least not until he actually wins his next fight.

I wonder how legit all these pacman vs rumors are. I just hope pacman doesnt fight david diaz. I would hate pacman and never watch him again.

[boxbox]

I doubt JMM is making offers or demends at least not until he actually wins his next fight.

I wonder how legit all these pacman vs rumors are. I just hope pacman doesnt fight david diaz. I would hate pacman and never watch him again.

why is that? he said he can still fight at 130lbs if needs be. If that fight ever happened then let it be, its better than the solis fight imo, but if another superfight is available at 130 then he'll go back down..

[PATSYS]

Who the hell here is involved in Pac-JMM negotiations that they know that JMM is pricing himself out or that Pac does'nt want the fight???

My guess is that real negotiations have'nt even begun for a fight between them two.....Pac just fought MAB a few days ago, and JMM is about to fight Rocky Juarez.
If the fight is to be made, I would'nt expect for it to be announced until Marquez gets past Juarez!

He did it before and it is not far fetched that he will do it again.

[charlievint]

There are plenty of people that would say JMM won that fight! me included, therefore I doubt JMM is shitting himself about a re-match. In actual fact I only gave pac 3 rounds of that fight! Or was it 2?

I'm not saying it wasn't a good comeback to where JMM made it close....but he LOST! It was only a mistake that gave JMM a draw. IF...and is said "IF" the judge who scored the 1st round 10-7 for PAC had scored it the correct way!

PAC won! And the judge admitted his mistake. So JMM only kept his belt on a technicality and was given the draw due to this happening. Not a way to hold on to a belt. Juan should have been chomping at the bit to make a rematch to PROVE he could do better and outbox PAC the ENTIRE fight!

But obviously he did not want that...he has been avoiding PAC even up until today. He's asking for more money than PAC would make for a rematch. That's just saying he dosen't want any. Maybe he's not scared, but he doesen't want to meet PAC for a rematch and that is for certain.

[divac]

He did it before and it is not far fetched that he will do it again.
The talk in this forum is that JMM and team are doing it again....
.....besides paparazi type Pinoy newspapers, where are the links that support this?