***Strikeforce: Shields vs. Henderson - Event Thread***

[James23]

Main Event: Strikeforce Middleweight Championship

Jake Shields vs. Dan Henderson

Co-Main Event: Strikeforce Light Heavyweight Championship

Gegard Mousasi vs. Mohammed Lawal

Strikeforce Lightweight Championship

Gilbert Melendez vs. Shinya Aoki

Should be great! Only 30 minutes away!

:happy

[Stoo]

Lets get it on!

[Stoo]

A umbrella?

[sugarngold]

Add a spoiler warning to your thread title and we can discuss the fights here! I can't wait! Mousasi vs King Mo is up first.

[Stoo]

Who takes it? Im thinkin <ousasi 2nd round tko

[Club Fighter]

Mo won the 1st round but he did not train for 5. He is GASSED!

[darkaz619]

mo is going down his tired already.

[darkaz619]

mo is done

[sugarngold]

Mo winning on sheer activity - but he is gassing badly!

[Stoo]

The King is no Mo in the 3rd hehe Mousasi has got to press him now

[Stoo]

Mo winning on sheer activity - but he is gassing badly!
H,, I got it 1 round eac at thje start of the 3rd

[Club Fighter]

Mo 2 rounds to 1 but that man is GASSED! I'll give him this much, he's got heart.

[sugarngold]

I thought Mo won all three so far. Gegard has been totally ineffective.

[Stoo]

Mo's round, has he still got a bit of power left or is Mousasi playin possum?

[darkaz619]

if Mousasi don't do something now Mo will win.

[Stoo]

mo's grindin it out fair p;ay. I was sure he was done

[Club Fighter]

Mo 3 to 1. I'd be surprised if Mo's able to walk out of the arena.

[Nuke]

Mo can only lay on Mousasi, how boring. Mo needs to do more to take the title, laying on someone shouldn't be enough.

[sugarngold]

Gegard needs a KO or submission to win this.

[Nuke]

double leg lay down again.Boring fight Mo sucks.

[Stoo]

Mo can only lay on Mousasi, how boring. Mo needs to do more to take the title, laying on someone shouldn't be enough.
I think its Mousasi who need to do more at this point. he needs a finish

[Vitor Belfort]

Damn king mo dominating mousasi:good new champ to be crown in 2 minutes

[darkaz619]

mo win mousasi did nothing.

[Stoo]

Mousasi was easier to get on his back tham a £20 hooker in this fight. very disapointing

[James23]

Geeze! Brutal fight....

Wrestler grinding out a decision....standard

Mousasi is just as much to blame.... both looked bad relative to their hype.

[Nuke]

Mo didn't do anything but take Gegard down. Strike should count more then takedowns, MMA in amercia is tailor scored for wrestlers.

[Stoo]

Mo didn't do anything but take Gegard down. Strike should count more then takedowns, MMA in amercia is tailor scored for wrestlers.
I dont like the up kick to the face when you cant kick a grounded opponant

[James23]

Mo didn't do anything but take Gegard down. Strike should count more then takedowns, MMA in amercia is tailor scored for wrestlers.

Well, generall I'd agree, but a takedown is a strong form of control, so in that sense, he won because he controlled the fight and he also won because Mousasi didn't do jack squat either.

[Stoo]

WOW at those stats 74% strikes for Musasi and he still lost

[Club Fighter]

Very disappointed in Mousasi. If I didn't know any better I'd think he didn't know he was fighting a wrestler coming into the bout. Mo needs some grooming and cardio but he's got heart and charisma.

[AJAX]

Mo can only lay on Mousasi, how boring. Mo needs to do more to take the title, laying on someone shouldn't be enough.

So is getting taken down time after time and being on your back more deserving of a win?

[Club Fighter]

Oh, and before I forget, poor job by Big John McCarthy on the point deduction but it was immaterial anyway.

[James23]

Anyone think this whole thing Aoki is talking about, "Japanese MMA vs. American MMA" is kinda...well, stupid?

I never got this country vs. country stupidity...seems kinda...pointless.

[Stoo]

Agreed, but whats a fight without hype

[sugarngold]

Aoki is speaking from the heart about this. he wants to punish Melendez if he can. He wants to uphold the honor of his fellow Japanese martial artists. He is deadly serious. This is going to be a great fight.

[Club Fighter]

Quote of the night so far: "The American athlete is by far stronger than the Japanese athlete." - Frank Shamrock

[Stoo]

No idea whos gonna take this. Have a feelin Melendez will overpower Aoki on the matt. Melendez UD

[Stoo]

Quote of the night is now 'keep your eyes on his ears# - Shamrock

[James23]

Frank Shamrock is a fucking moron. If I could, I'd mute him...the number if idiotic things he's said, I can't even count that high!

[Nuke]

Well, generall I'd agree, but a takedown is a strong form of control, so in that sense, he won because he controlled the fight and he also won because Mousasi didn't do jack squat either.


Except close his eye and strike him at will.

[J_Roth]

Mousasi looked so flat. Rematch please.

[James23]

Aoki has nothing...he's flopping more then Thales Leites.

[J_Roth]

I hope Aoki subs Melendez

[James23]

Shields vs. Henderson is gonna be pressure to carry this card. It's been really weak so far.

The only fight I've really liked is the Melendez vs. Aoki fight and if I didn't love grappling, I'd be pissed/bored...

[Stoo]

Not a great advert for gorund fighter is it. Bring back soccer kicks

[Thom]

double leg lay down again.Boring fight Mo sucks.


If Mo sucks, Mousasi is absolute garbage. Even though Mo was gassed, he landed meaningful punches on the ground and passed Mousasi's guard a few times. The stand up was pretty even. Both of them looked like shit, but I don't how you can make a case for Mousasi winning.

[québecwarrior]

Mousasi looked very bad.

[James23]

Mousasi looked very bad.

They both looked like trash. Based on that fight, it's comfortable to say that neither would crack the Top 10 in the UFC's Light Heavyweight Division.

[darkaz619]

weak card.

[sugarngold]

Dominant showing by Melendez. Aoki had no answer for his striking.

[James23]

weak card.

See, that's the thing. On paper this card looks freakin' fantastic! Easily PPV worthy...just the fights have sucked big time...

[chimba]

Aoki has always been overrated. He has no standup whatsoever and worst yet, he has the worst takedowns of any BJJ guys.

[Vitor Belfort]

Wow another upset..melendez over aoki..King mo over Mousasi...hmm henderson next to be upset?:think

[Stoo]

Dominant showing by Melendez. Aoki had no answer for his striking.
Only butt scooting across the matt like a dog with worms

[James23]

Wow another upset..melendez over aoki..King mo over Mousasi...hmm henderson next to be upset?:think

I think Hendo is the favorite according to the bookies...but don't quote me on that.

And I want to punch Frank Shamrock in the face. "And the Americans..." SHUT THE FUCK UP!

[Vitor Belfort]

I think Hendo is the favorite according to the bookies...but don't quote me on that.

And I want to punch Frank Shamrock in the face. "And the Americans..." SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Hendo is the favorite even though shields is the champ. The night is looking like the night for the underdog.

[AJAX]

Aoki has always been overrated. He has no standup whatsoever and worst yet, he has the worst takedowns of any BJJ guys.

Very true it's tough to win a fight if you can't throw a punch and can't take a guy down. He should stay in Dream...as should Gomi and let them be God's there.

[sugarngold]

Pavlik/Martinez starting now. Going to have to flip between both.

[James23]

Please, please, PLEASE let this be a good fight! For the sake of the fucking sport, please!

[James23]

WOW! I hope someone punches Frank right in the fucking mouth and breaks his jaw. That way we never have to hear his retarded ass speak again.

Unreal...

[James23]

Hendo in clear control.

And will someone PLEASE shut Frank Shamrock the fuck up!? Geeze, people think Joe Rogan is bad? Are you kidding me? I'd blow a monkey to get Rogan in his place!

[sugarngold]

Hendo dominates the first - and Sheilds punishes Henderson from the mount in the second. It's a fight!

[James23]

Wow, why don't they get on their knees and start sucking Henderson off! My goodness! Un-fucking-real!

That was a 10-8 round if I ever saw one.

[James23]

Okay, this is pathetic. Brett? Get someone from your crew and have them shoot Frank in the face...

[Stoo]

I dint think Shields had it in him, good fight

[James23]

"Good scramble! Get on him Dan, he's tired!"

Seriously? Seriously?!

[James23]

Okay, this fight is tilting...what in the fuck is a side arm bar?

[Koa]

lol, maybe match up Shields and Silva for the most boring possible fight.l

[AJAX]

shields has mounted dan 4 straight rounds

[chimba]

Someone shot me down when I said that at this point Chaels a better fighter than Hendo. Hendos done guys. The UFC made a wise move.

[James23]

The excuses are being made for Henderson already. They started with this bullshit in the 2nd round!

And what the fuck is the audience booing? This is a good fight!

[Koa]

shields has mounted dan 4 straight rounds

Yes, but he's not putting much effort to finish the fight. He's not commiting to striking, not commiting hard to submissions. He really should have pressed with the striking from full mount to push the issue, get Dan to show his back or give up an arm.

[James23]

Yes, but he's not putting much effort to finish the fight. He's not commiting to striking, not commiting hard to submissions. He really should have pressed with the striking from full mount to push the issue, get Dan to show his back or give up an arm.

You didn't see what Dan was doing? Dan was doing something smart, just Jake was smarter and not falling for it...

Anyone catch it?

[Stoo]

Yes, but he's not putting much effort to finish the fight. He's not commiting to striking, not commiting hard to submissions. He really should have pressed with the striking from full mount to push the issue, get Dan to show his back or give up an arm.
I think he did try but Hendo was too strong, and he was never gonna ko him was he

[James23]

Frank Shamrock covering his pathetic ass. "I'm a Jake Shields fan." Yeah, right. Un-fucking-real.

[James23]

What a fucking embarassment. I don't know what's been worse. Silva and his bullshit at UFC 112, or this garbage.

[chimba]

What a fucking embarassment. I don't know what's been worse. Silva and his bullshit at UFC 112, or this garbage.

Silva was worse. At least I saw a fight tonight.

[sugarngold]

I thought it was an entertaining card. All of the matchups were great on paper - they just didn;t all pan out to be great fights. It happens.

[jimmie]

I didnt think the fights where to bad TBH. Not terribly entertaining but decent fights. The brawl just makes me sick though. This is supposed to be a place where people go fight for a career and make something of themselves not make the arena in Nashville look like the ghetto with some kind of gangfights. Now im sure every major media will be showing this in the next few days and this will be a terrible blow to MMA.

[Club Fighter]

shields has mounted dan 4 straight rounds

^^^ Reason why I dislike Shields . . . TREMENDOUSLY. In an MMA bout one should never be able to say a fighter has mounted another fighter in 4 consecutive rounds . . . and went to a decision. That speaks to a tremendous inefficiency at finishing opponents. Shame on fuckin' Shields.

[(PimpThaSystem)]

^^^ Reason why I dislike Shields . . . TREMENDOUSLY. In an MMA bout one should never be able to say a fighter has mounted another fighter in 4 consecutive rounds . . . and went to a decision. That speaks to a tremendous inefficiency at finishing opponents. Shame on fuckin' Shields.

The mount isn't a death sentence chief. Your crying is extremely unwarranted considering Shields was in there with Dan Fucking Henderson.

[Club Fighter]

The mount isn't a death sentence chief. Your crying is extremely unwarranted considering Shields was in there with Dan Fucking Henderson.

Shields is in there with an old Dan Henderson who does not have a comparable ground game to Shields as evidenced by Shields mounting Hendo in 4 consecutive rounds. So it's abundantly clear that one person is light years ahead of the other in BJJ. The submission was imminent, it's just that Jake Shields is inefficient. The guy did no damage via gnp and didn't attempt any serious submissions, he just decided to sit on Dan's chest and embarrass Cesar Gracie Jiu Jitsu. It's not as if he had to worry about Dan submitting him from the bottom. All things were in his favor yet he still was able to muster up nothing but neutralization of Dan's strengths not the application of Shields'.

So, yeah, when you're a BJJ black belt and your opponent has no ground/submission game to speak of and you've managed to mount him . . . 4 times . . . that is a death sentence.

[(PimpThaSystem)]

Shields is in there with an old Dan Henderson who does not have a comparable ground game to Shields as evidenced by Shields mounting Hendo in 4 consecutive rounds. So it's abundantly clear that one person is light years ahead of the other in BJJ. The submission was imminent, it's just that Jake Shields is inefficient. The guy did no damage via gnp and didn't attempt any serious submissions, he just decided to sit on Dan's chest and embarrass Cesar Gracie Jiu Jitsu. It's not as if he had to worry about Dan submitting him from the bottom. All things were in his favor yet he still was able to muster up nothing but neutralization of Dan's strengths not the application of Shields'.

So, yeah, when you're a BJJ black belt and your opponent has no ground/submission game to speak of and you've managed to mount him . . . 4 times . . . that is a death sentence.

I'm sorry but your comments reveal your ignorance when it comes to Gracie Jiu Jitsu. To quote Rorion Gracie from a recent Inside-Kung Fu "against a much bigger and stronger opponent, the only reliable strategy is to enter the fight with 100-percent concern with avoiding defeat at all costs and waiting for them to create and opportunity for you." Henderson is a veteran of the sport and to say he has "no ground/submission game to speak of" is entirely laughable. It's obvious from my perspective that Dan had enough know how to deprive Shields of the opportunity to stop him. Please keep your misguided comments to yourself next time. K thanks.

[Club Fighter]

I'm sorry but your comments reveal your ignorance when it comes to Gracie Jiu Jitsu. To quote Rorion Gracie from a recent Inside-Kung Fu "against a much bigger and stronger opponent, the only reliable strategy is to enter the fight with 100-percent concern with avoiding defeat at all costs and waiting for them to create and opportunity for you." Henderson is a veteran of the sport and to say he has "no ground/submission game to speak of" is entirely laughable. It's obvious from my perspective that Dan had enough know how to deprive Shields of the opportunity to stop him. Please keep your misguided comments to yourself next time. K thanks.

Ok, you're a moron. He has no submission game. That's a fact. It doesn't matter how many years he has in the bank or how much of a "vet" he is, he does not have a submission game. Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not is entirely up to you but what you can't do is claim otherwise. And the quote that you're talkin' about more aptly applies to shit like Royce Gracie vs. Dan Severn where you really have a much bigger and stronger opponent not to Henderson vs Shields where you have a weight-drained bigger, stronger opponent who, by virtue of his weight drain, sapped the very strength advantage of which you speak. Oh, and by the way, what did Royce do to the Greco-Roman Wrestler who was REALLY much bigger and stronger? He submitted him. Now what did Jake do to the weight-drained Greco-Roman wrestler whom he mounted in 4 consecutive rounds. . . nada. And it's not that Dan had enough to stop Jake, it's that Jake didn't do enough to stop Dan. That's it, no more, no less. Shame on Jake. That's like sayin' Maia or Cote had enough know-how to prevent Anderson from doing what he wanted to do. This is not so. It was entirely the other person who didn't do what they were supposed to do. Make sure you get it right. Know what the fuck you're watchin'.

P.S. Do you know how often Fedor has gone into a fight not being the bigger and stronger guy and has reached a dominant position and then sought to and finished his opponent. You gotta have the will, not just the know-how.

P.P.S. You're an imbecile and I'm through with you.

[Delroc]

Damn Club you just went in on him :lol:

[Kid Cuba]

So why did Miller start with Shields?

[(PimpThaSystem)]

Ok, you're a moron. He has no submission game. That's a fact. It doesn't matter how many years he has in the bank or how much of a "vet" he is, he does not have a submission game. Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not is entirely up to you but what you can't do is claim otherwise. And the quote that you're talkin' about more aptly applies to shit like Royce Gracie vs. Dan Severn where you really have a much bigger and stronger opponent not to Henderson vs Shields where you have a weight-drained bigger, stronger opponent who, by virtue of his weight drain, sapped the very strength advantage of which you speak. Oh, and by the way, what did Royce do to the Greco-Roman Wrestler who was REALLY much bigger and stronger? He submitted him. Now what did Jake do to the weight-drained Greco-Roman wrestler whom he mounted in 4 consecutive rounds. . . nada. And it's not that Dan had enough to stop Jake, it's that Jake didn't do enough to stop Dan. That's it, no more, no less. Shame on Jake. That's like sayin' Maia or Cote had enough know-how to prevent Anderson from doing what he wanted to do. This is not so. It was entirely the other person who didn't do what they were supposed to do. Make sure you get it right. Know what the fuck you're watchin'.

P.S. Do you know how often Fedor has gone into a fight not being the bigger and stronger guy and has reached a dominant position and then sought to and finished his opponent. You gotta have the will, not just the know-how.

P.P.S. You're an imbecile and I'm through with you.

Way to be jackass. Have you ever seen Dan Henderson fight? Clearly he has an excellent ground game. Take for example this clip from Dan versus former ADCC open weight champion Ricardo Arona from their fight in Pride. Disregard the shitty music and watch how Dan sweeps Arona and escapes from bottom multiple times.

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That is what a prime Henderson could do against one of the best grapplers in the world at the time. Don't believe it? Go watch Arona's fight with Fedor from RINGS in which Arona lost a controversial decision and tell me he doesn't have ground skills. You can best believe a prime Henderson would have fared much better however clearly he doesn't have the mobility to compete in the Jiu Jitsu department anymore. The man is ancient but he still knows how to defend himself and survive as evident by the Shields fight.

I know its unfortunate Shields had nothing in the power department to contribute to the fight and that the fight wasn't very exciting. But what did you want Shields to do exactly?

Why must you bring up Fedor. Jake Shields is not Fedor. He doesn't have the gnp that Fedor has because its not a matter of simply doing it.

If this fight and the recent GSP fights say anything about MMA its that its hard to submit an opponent who is just trying to survive.

Your stance is nonsensical and plain offensive to fighters. I suggest you educate yourself and take a BJJ class so you don't have to pretend like you know whats going on.

[Flexb]

In case anyone didn't see it

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[audio101]

This card showed why MMA will never be more mainstream. The majority have people have no interest in watching a guy straddle another guy for 5 rounds. I can only assume that the future of MMA will all be wrestlers with no boxing ability.:-(

[Delroc]

This card showed why MMA will never be more mainstream. The majority have people have no interest in watching a guy straddle another guy for 5 rounds. I can only assume that the future of MMA will all be wrestlers with no boxing ability.:-(
yea regardless if Jake Shields is talented or not the guy sure as hell isnt fun to watch.

[chimba]

You cant defend Sheilds, you mount someone for 20 minutes you need to finish anyone, I dont care if you're superman.

The real problem is Sheilds cant fuckn punch.