Calzaghe a super hero

[THN]

World champion for 10 years (WBO)...........................................
now he's on progress in terms of opponents why?

[ThePlugInBabies]

i respect the fact that english isn't your first language, but could you try and re-phrase that.

[PH|LLA]

yea didnt catch on either

[marauder1999]

somethin like that,,,

[peter5]

I think he means, why is he only now starting to fight the big fights!? after 10 yrs of being champ

[McGrain]

I think he means, why is he only now starting to fight the big fights!? after 10 yrs of being champ

And the answer is -

He's thick as two planks and got stuck with a shit promoter.

Good fighter though.

[peter5]

And the answer is -

He's thick as two planks and got stuck with a shit promoter.

Good fighter though.

Not a bad point, and yeah he aint too bad, he better be good come 3rd Nov!

[THN]

I think he means, why is he only now starting to fight the big fights!? after 10 yrs of being champ
Excatly, thank you:oops:

[ThePlugInBabies]

because hes fought bums his whole career and he has to retire soon so hes taking a chance not a big chance because its still his backyard and the refs can protect him but still a little risk and a big reward if he can win with the refs help.

apart from the manfredo fight which was a bad stoppage, which other calzaghe fights do you think were stopped too early?

[ThePlugInBabies]

Excatly, thak you:oops:

no one was getting at ya mate, just trying to help you out :good

[satyriion]

One Lacy in 10 years. Congratulation with the finest british Worldchamp. This is the dangerous man who defeated (M)anfredo the dangerous opponent. The guy who fought the big MW Bika. Who beat the fabolous Evans Ashira, also Middleweight and with a bad elbow, with 2 weeks notice of the fightdate.
The guy that did not fight Ottke, Beyer, Green, Mundine, Larsen, Lucas, Siaca.

The guy that gave up his IBF belt because they wanted him to fight a SMW from germany. Instead they handpicked a mediocre MIDDLEWEIGHT guy called Bika.......Hello...Hello......10 years of ducking and avoiding.

[THN]

no, thak you
Lets try in Danish, tak skal du ha'

[THN]

Bonderøv!

[boxfan99]

no, thak you

:-(

That was uncalled for.

[THN]

jer vil være nødt til at arrangere smuk tidligt om morgenen hen til skabe mig lede dum mig bekendt
Nice try, thak!

[boxfan99]

jer vil være nødt til at arrangere smuk tidligt om morgenen hen til skabe mig lede dum mig bekendt

What??????? or should I say, hvad???

Did you just pick some random Danish words and threw them out there?;)

[THN]

nope, just said he'd have to get up very early to make me look silly

then said

yippee!!!!

all in good humour

It make no sence, so I guess we are even:D

[boxfan99]

nope, just said he'd have to get up very early to make me look silly

Here you go, this is what you should have said then:
Du skal stå op meget tidligt for at få mig til at se dum ud.

then said

yippee!!!!

Yep, the "juhu" part was OK.:good

all in good humour

As you said, just in good humour.:good :D

[Boro chris]

The guy that did not fight Ottke, Beyer, Green, Mundine, Larsen, Lucas, Siaca.

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Yes coz thats a list to inspire fear and dread isn't it?

[satyriion]

The rest of your stuff is subjective at best, but this part I've quoted...

Man, that is delusional.

Ottke and Beyer did everything they could to avoid the fight.

The others... well...

Mundine had lost to Siaca who had lost to Kessler. What's the appeal?

Mundine lost to Kessler as well.

Lucas and Green? What a joke. Green got hammered by Mundine and, since Joe's going to hammer Kessler, it's pretty obvious how that would play out.

Lucas... gimme a fucking break.

Joe fought Eubank, Reid, Starie, Brewer, Sheika, Veit and Woodhall.

Remind of who Kessler's big wins are against?

You lost a bet, Fucky Blocky. You should stay away from this forum.

However......idiot.....Mikkel has only been around for a couple of years. Joe has been here for more than 10 years.He should have met the boxers I mentioned years before kessler surfaced. When they were at their prime.

No matter how you twist the facts. Joe avoided the most dangerous opponents of his time.

Furthermore. 4 OF JOES LAST 5 OPPONENTS HAS BEEN TRUE MIDDLEWEIGHTS. WHY NOT BOX TRUE SMW'S. EVEN MANDATORIES. WHY PICK 3RD RATE MW, THEY ARE NOT EVEN ELITE MW.
WHY ON EARTH DOES HE DO THAT. BECAUSE HE NEVER WAS A SUPERIOR CHAMP.

I can't respect a boxer that consistenly handpicks useless opponents to boost his record. It has been 10 years of bullshit fights. Save an old tired Eubank and a weightdrained bodybuilder called Lacy. 9 years apart.

Is this what you call true greatness. If so then you are an idiot, then again. You have proven that too many times already.

If Joe beats Mikkel, then congratulation. Pitty he did not use his 10 years to impress people in the know, instead fighting small nondangerous people. What joe has done in 10 years is unacceptable. True greatness does not come from being undefeated, but from meeting and beating anyone challinging your status as the best.

The guys I mentioned earlier were champs, even in more prestigious lettercombinations. All joe did was ignore their existence. He did not talk about them and he did not challenges them.

THATS THE WAY OF A COWARDCHAMP.

[satyriion]

Kys mikkels fødder joe, når du alligevel ligger der.

[satyriion]

By the way. THN can also be hard to understand when he writes in danish. However I salute those overseas fans that try to learn their new champs language.

[satyriion]

Yes coz thats a list to inspire fear and dread isn't it?

You are right. They must have inspired fear and terror in Joes mind He accepted that they called themselves champs, without feeling the need to shut them up. Anyway, the had their time 5-6 years ago. They were recognized champs with better belts.

Joe were not even ringchamp until Lacy. All he had was a shitty WBO title. The guy did not have any ambitions to be the best of all comtempory champs. Mikkel does !!!!

[THN]

I'm sorry that my english is so bad ( I'm married to an Australian thou) but danish is what we speak.
If Calzaghe is a hype job we'll se in nov. if he is'nt what a figth.
Det som jeg prøver at sige er at hvis Calzaghe er så god som de siger så er han fandeme god, men Kessler er tændt som aldrig før, & jeg har aldrig set en Dansk bokser så god som Kessler, Tom Bogs var god men ingenting ved siden af Kessler!

[satyriion]

Calzaghe så god som man siger *LOL*...get real THN, for helvede. Manden er 35 år. Han har ingen punch tilbage. Har bokset det rene lort på nær Lacy de sidste 5-6 år. Jeg er overbevist om det shit jeg skriver fordi det er baseret på facts. Lacy "folded" bla. pga. nerver. Mikkel giver ham en seriøs røvfuld, der vil noget. Have faith THN. Joe er et nervøst gemyt, jeg tror ikke 4-5 måneders opladning er særlig godt for ham. For Mikkel er det derimod guf.

[THN]

Calzaghe så god som man siger *LOL*...get real THN, for helvede. Manden er 35 år. Han har ingen punch tilbage. Har bokset det rene lort på nær Lacy de sidste 5-6 år. Jeg er overbevist om det shit jeg skriver fordi det er baseret på facts. Lacy "folded" bla. pga. nerver. Mikkel giver ham en seriøs røvfuld, der vil noget. Have faith THN. Joe er et nervøst gemyt, jeg tror ikke 4-5 måneders opladning er særlig godt for ham. For Mikkel er det derimod guf.
Mine ord :good

[THN]

Ses vi i wales 3 Nov.????

[satyriion]

What I am rightfully pointing out, is the huge lack of intolerance and complete absence of ambition for universal recognition on Calzaghe part.

How many champs has come and gone in SMW in the last 10 years ? A lot. There could have been only one.

True greatness on Calzaghe's resume, would have been a raid on all titles 10 years ago not 3/4 or 4/5 nov3.

If he had been unified champ for 4 years or more. Who could have questioned him as the greatest ?

Do you think Joe would have been less succesful in smoking out the other champs of their holes. One after the other than Mikkel, if Joe had set all sails and the whole mediashebang he could have gotten to them. Open letters. Direct challenges. Ringside attendance. whatever

Even travel overseas, or take a paycut if that was what it took.

Ambition and a burning fire to be the best. Undisputed best, thats what Joe has lacked all these years.

Maybe a meager but steady income feeding his family in that provincial outback sufficed. Mediocre and unambtious.

The list of shitty opponents is long and the list of outstanding and accomplished opponents is very short for 10 years ruleand a ATG P4P.

If Joe was the poisonous worldconquering dragon, he could have made hell by badmouthing RJJ olpopkins and so on at their ringside.

But "stay at home Joe" preferred to be anonymous worldwide and worldfamous in Cardiff among the sheeps of wales.

Maybe the lambswool of wales made him cushioned, safe even rich, but not a true and admired worldclass star.

Joe should have a broken nose and a scarred face today. Not the look of a schoolboy. His face does not tell the tale of a true battleseeking champ. Oh yeah he is so fast and blabla the huggers will say.

I say MW have a hard time with their short arms and smaller stature.

Joe has been playing it safe and non dangerous, maybe out of fear of loosing, based on his latest statements. Maybe lack of confidence, who knows, but the rotten stench of avoiding the tough tests over the years disqualifies his fans claims of greatness badly.

[ThePlugInBabies]

What I am rightfully pointing out, is the huge lack of intolerance and complete absence of ambition for universal recognition on Calzaghe part.

How many champs has come and gone in SMW in the last 10 years ? A lot. There could have been only one.

True greatness on Calzaghe's resume, would have been a raid on all titles 10 years ago not 3/4 or 4/5 nov3.

If he had been unified champ for 4 years or more. Who could have questioned him as the greatest ?

Do you think Joe would have been less succesful in smoking out the other champs of their holes. One after the other than Mikkel, if Joe had set all sails and the whole mediashebang he could have gotten to them. Open letters. Direct challenges. Ringside attendance. whatever

Even travel overseas, or take a paycut if that was what it took.

Ambition and a burning fire to be the best. Undisputed best, thats what Joe has lacked all these years.

Maybe a meager but steady income feeding his family in that provincial outback sufficed. Mediocre and unambtious.

The list of shitty opponents is long and the list of outstanding and accomplished opponents is very short for 10 years ruleand a ATG P4P.

If Joe was the poisonous worldconquering dragon, he could have made hell by badmouthing RJJ olpopkins and so on at their ringside.

But "stay at home Joe" preferred to be anonymous worldwide and worldfamous in Cardiff among the sheeps of wales.

Maybe the lambswool of wales made him cushioned, safe even rich, but not a true and admired worldclass star.

Joe should have a broken nose and a scarred face today. Not the look of a schoolboy. His face does not tell the tale of a true battleseeking champ. Oh yeah he is so fast and blabla the huggers will say.

I say MW have a hard time with their short arms and smaller stature.

Joe has been playing it safe and non dangerous, maybe out of fear of loosing, based on his latest statements. Maybe lack of confidence, who knows, but the rotten stench of avoiding the tough tests over the years disqualifies his fans claims of greatness badly.

:crybaby

[satyriion]

Joe has ruled for 10 fucking years and Kessler is the first time he is really being tested. That must b the evident deduction from Joe's statement of Mikkel being his greatest challenge over the years.

I dont see an Ottke fight being any less of a worldclass boxing event at the time. Actually you could say Ottke carried a heavier scalp than Mikkel does today.

I think Ottke would have boxed Joe instead of Larsen or even before larsen. If Joe would have invested some money and airtravel in the show. But No.

Joe stay at home does not look for greatness outside his island. Unless you elevate Veit to A level in the process.

[satyriion]

:crybaby

You are the "Buttplug" guy......good argument

[gutto]

IM a brit but regardless of were you come from if your a true fan of boxing and not just certain fighters you can not argue jc is good just look at the lacy fight. but i would agree his record is not what you could call real p4p quality I would have to say hes beat good fighters but not any real greats . To be fair I think there are 3 reasons

1 Frank ****** does not want to lose his cash cow
2 jc will not leave the uk to fight
3 The big name us fighters will not leave the us

[satyriion]

IM a brit but regardless of were you come from if your a true fan of boxing and not just certain fighters you can not argue jc is good just look at the lacy fight. but i would agree his record is not what you could call real p4p quality I would have to say hes beat good fighters but not any real greats . To be fair I think there are 3 reasons

1 Frank ****** does not want to lose his cash cow

The cash cow could leave, unless he has the brain of a cow.

2 jc will not leave the uk to fight

How great will you become then ? how much admiration should you receive for that kind off cowardice.

3 The big name us fighters will not leave the us

Go to the fucking US of A. That where the money and fame is. You can be famous in Europe and unknown in the US, but you cant be famous in the US and unknown in Europe. Fact.

[satyriion]

Ses vi i wales 3 Nov.????


Nej jeg nyder kampen på min Selector og gambler resten på KO rd. 6, men rigtig god tur.

[ThePlugInBabies]

You are the "Buttplug" guy......good argument

seriously, we've heard all there is to hear on calzaghes resume, time, and time, and time again, it's starting to reach lewis-vitali levels of tedium.

OMGZZZZ BUTTPLUG!!!!1111ONE U R LYYKKK SO FUKIN FUNNI!! :hi:

listen and learn bitch


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[satyriion]

Bitch.....whoooaaa......exciting "buttplug".

Maybe "yesIhavearm" can assist you to reach the next level on your internal explorations.

Ahhh...Sorry....you need "chinaHANDFISTjoe" first. Like they say "there is always room for one more".

Anyway tranvestism and transgender games does not comply well with my sexual appetites.

[ThePlugInBabies]

uhhhhhhh yeah, thanks for sharing that with us.

[satyriion]

[quote=fluxstuff]I'm getting really bored of you now.

Mikkel IS his greatest challenge. Young, good and hungry.

Joe has fought many good fighters.

Let's look at the casual attitude you have towards Joe's earnings - if you were going to get punched in the head by men weighing 12 stone, would you not want to be suitably compensated for the trouble?

the fact is: it's a short career, it's a dangerous one, you make the decision based on what you need.

Incidentally, Joe did take a lower payday for Lacy - he was willing.

]


If you are feeling annoyed by me or my arguments, why do you qoute me and don't answer the qoutesd text, but ask the question I answered in the qouted text.

My opinion of Joe is rather high. pErsonally and professionally. Even if I am pissed at him at times and for wasting 10 years fucking around in his little pissy pool instead of ruling the ocean..

If you do have the gift. You have the responsibilty for maximising it. Joe dident.

Ottke is the first and most obvious one he should have chased and marred daily unrelentig until he fought him. Like Kessler has done with Joe himself. Give up hometurf, give a discount to Ottke. Beat him. Strip him of WBA/WBC/RING add your WBO and go for the IBF and then humiliate and expose any american that had the guts to give a peeeep.

He should have gone stateside and cleaned up the mess of the aphabets and loudmouths.

He should have fought any boxer calling himself worldchamp of SMW. Thats who he should have fought. Not waited till Lacy came around and chased him.

The way I remember it, Lacy had a hard time landing the fight against Joe. Maybe Joe took a paycut, but Lacy gave up hometurf.

Mikkel gives up hometurf. He takes a paycut. He does anything to get the fight, because he has true ambition and is CONVINCED he is the best, or he will die trying to prove that.

Lacy avoided Kessler actively. Remember Kesslers open letter to Lacy.


I still fail to understand your point in qouting me partly and then ignore what you just qouted.

Joe could have followed Hattons example. He dident. He followed and imitated Sven Ottkes career in the way they handpick opponents and avoid thrue mandatories.

[bumdujour]

Lets try in Danish, tak skal du ha'


that is danish:admin

sounds like a donkey taking a shit:rofl

[van the man]

The rest of your stuff is subjective at best, but this part I've quoted...

Man, that is delusional.

Ottke and Beyer did everything they could to avoid the fight.

The others... well...

Mundine had lost to Siaca who had lost to Kessler. What's the appeal?

Mundine lost to Kessler as well.

Lucas and Green? What a joke. Green got hammered by Mundine and, since Joe's going to hammer Kessler, it's pretty obvious how that would play out.

Lucas... gimme a fucking break.

Joe fought Eubank, Reid, Starie, Brewer, Sheika, Veit and Woodhall.

Remind of who Kessler's big wins are against?

...since he became champ:
mundine, mandatory, top 5 ranked by the ring ect. fought down under!
eric lucas, former world champ, at the time in the top 7 ranked by ring(cant remember if he were mandatory)
marcus beyer, WBC champ , top 3 ranked by the ring.
librado andrade, undefeated mandatory, top 5 ranked by the ring.
and now hes going to fight calzaghe in his backyard!:deal

[satyriion]

that is danish:admin

sounds like a donkey taking a shit:rofl Well if you hear any sounds, it must be because you are more fucked up than your avatar.

Letters makes no sound on their own. Idiots do on the other hand.

It seems your linguistic skills does not suffice to pronounce foreign languages. Anyway it appears that your ass and your mouth gives passage to the same commodities. Maybe your brain is leaking from intense exhaustion.

[bumdujour]

Well if you hear any sounds, it must be because you are more fucked up than your avatar.

Letters makes no sound on their own. Idiots do on the other hand.

It seems your linguistic skills does not suffice to pronounce foreign languages. Anyway it appears that your ass and your mouth gives passage to the same commodities. Maybe your brain is leaking from intense exhaustion.

and your mom sucks donkey dicks:hi:

[satyriion]

...since he became champ:
mundine, mandatory, top 5 ranked by the ring ect. fought down under!
eric lucas, former world champ, at the time in the top 7 ranked by ring(cant remember if he were mandatory)
marcus beyer, WBC champ , top 3 ranked by the ring.
librado andrade, undefeated mandatory, top 5 ranked by the ring.
and now hes going to fight calzaghe in his backyard!:deal You can't compare those guys to Ashira, Manfredo, Bika. Can you.

[satyriion]

and your mom sucks donkey dicks:hi: How do you know.

Ahhh.... you learned from watching your own mom and sister, naturally.

But, you see, different countries different costums. You may have been tought that it is a common thing to do in your countryl, but we don't tend to fuck og get fucked by our domestic animals over here. We find it revolting and obscene.

But i gives a perfect explanation to your behavior. Wonder what kind of an animal your mother fucked to get something as eloquent as you.

[bumdujour]

How do you know.

Ahhh.... you learned from watching your own mom and sister, naturally.

But, you see, different countries different costums. You may have been tought that it is a common thing to do in your countryl, but we don't tend to fuck og get fucked by our domestic animals over here. We find it revolting and obscene.

But i gives a perfect explanation to your behavior. Wonder what kind of an animal your mother fucked to get something as eloquent as you.

:-(( :hi:

[van the man]

You can't compare those guys to Ashira, Manfredo, Bika. Can you.
no u are right...the are simply in a league of there own :think
and kessler has done everything wrong since he got his first belt:huh

[satyriion]

:-(( :hi: Reading your avatar qoute, I wonder whether your mothers deeds made you prefer boys instead of women or donkeys. Maybe you arent that big of an asshole....also takes a lot to accomodate a donkeydick up your ass.

At first I thought you were mexican since I have once seen the real donkeywoman in action. It was in Ciuda de Juarez in Mexico. True.:patsch

[satyriion]

no u are right...the are simply in a league of there own :think
and kessler has done everything wrong since he got his first belt:huh

Mikkel is a real stay at home and avoid fighting the handpicked MW's. Come to think of it. Andrade and Siaca reminded me more of LHW's.

[bumdujour]

Reading your avatar qoute, I wonder whether your mothers deeds made you prefer boys instead of women or donkeys. Maybe you arent that big of an asshole....also takes a lot to accomodate a donkeydick up your ass.

At first I thought you were mexican since I have once seen the real donkeywoman in action. It was in Ciuda de Juarez in Mexico. True.:patsch

your mom living in ciuda de juarez??

donkey dicks:rofl

[yesihavearm]

One Lacy in 10 years. Congratulation with the finest british Worldchamp. This is the dangerous man who defeated (M)anfredo the dangerous opponent. The guy who fought the big MW Bika. Who beat the fabolous Evans Ashira, also Middleweight and with a bad elbow, with 2 weeks notice of the fightdate.
The guy that did not fight Ottke, Beyer, Green, Mundine, Larsen, Lucas, Siaca.

The guy that gave up his IBF belt because they wanted him to fight a SMW from germany. Instead they handpicked a mediocre MIDDLEWEIGHT guy called Bika.......Hello...Hello......10 years of ducking and avoiding.

OH NO he didnt fight ERIC LUCAS OR MANNY SIACA.

THEM LEGENDS ?

OH

NO

Calzaghe would school every single fighter you've listed there including Mundine who would get floored by one of Calzaghe's jabs.

In fact, prime Robin Reid would school every single fighter you've listed there as he DID to Sven Ottke in Germany. Eubank would have also, in fact Lacy probably would have.

[van the man]

OH NO he didnt fight ERIC LUCAS OR MANNY SIACA.

THEM LEGENDS ?

OH

NO

Calzaghe would school every single fighter you've listed there including Mundine who would get floored by one of Calzaghe's jabs.

In fact, prime Robin Reid would school every single fighter you've listed there as he DID to Sven Ottke in Germany. Eubank would have also, in fact Lacy probably would have.

and in comes Blockyboy:nut

[satyriion]

OH NO he didnt fight ERIC LUCAS OR MANNY SIACA.

THEM LEGENDS ?

OH

NO

Calzaghe would school every single fighter you've listed there including Mundine who would get floored by one of Calzaghe's jabs.

In fact, prime Robin Reid would school every single fighter you've listed there as he DID to Sven Ottke in Germany. Eubank would have also, in fact Lacy probably would have.


Not legends. But they were ranked pretty high in their days. Close to the other abctitles enough that they fought for it or won it. Tell me about Ashiras SMW rankings. Tell me about how Manfredo poppep up on SMW ranking top 10. Tell me about small Bika.

And then explain, like a moron, why Joe did not take all the glory and money that would have been the logical result of beating Beyer or Ottke in their prime ?. If he was so much better and confident whats the problem about popping over to germany and take the candy away from the krauts. With the right spin they couldent have avoided Joe.

Imagine what a war your papers, like the sun and so, would have had with a real fight agaisnt a german for 3 titles. I think it would have sold way more and better than Kessler will.

Blitzwar, Beat up Fritz, Fottke.....it would be real big.

Even if the germans refused joe would gain. He could humiliate Ottke and sauerland to make the fight with the help of the british press and television. If they publicly refused a fight, they would effectively have submitted to joes ruel of SMW. Krauts submit to ironjoe.

But joe kept hiding in his shitty cave in provincial wales untill lacy dragged his screaming ass out of it.

Mikkel had to yell about a challenge for 3-4 years and he couldent be avoided without making joe look like a real ottkewimp.

Joe did not have the mental guts it takes to challenge an equal. They have to drag him out.

[ThePlugInBabies]

And then explain, like a moron, why Joe did not take all the glory and money that would have been the logical result of beating Beyer or Ottke in their prime ?. If he was so much better and confident whats the problem about popping over to germany and take the candy away from the krauts. With the right spin they couldent have avoided Joe.

Imagine what a war your papers, like the sun and so, would have had with a real fight agaisnt a german for 3 titles. I think it would have sold way more and better than Kessler will.

Blitzwar, Beat up Fritz, Fottke.....it would be real big.

Even if the germans refused joe would gain. He could humiliate Ottke and sauerland to make the fight with the help of the british press and television. If they publicly refused a fight, they would effectively have submitted to joes ruel of SMW. Krauts submit to ironjoe.

this angle is a complete no starter as joe simply isn't very big or well known in the UK.

you're not dealing with a hatton, a bruno or a benn here, calzaghe is only worth a small column in the papers, no one really cared about the lacy fight, and no one outside boxing circles could give two shits about kes-cal.

[satyriion]

Yesihavearm has no answers. Has really arm or is it only brains and balls thats missing.

[satyriion]

this angle is a complete no starter as joe simply isn't very big or well known in the UK.


Nobody is born big. You have to work for your popularity. Joe is not well known anywhere, rather were not, but thats his fucking responsibility.

Joe has been a small timer because he has lived a smalltime life, content with small insignificant fights against insignificant opponents.

Why did Hatton burn through the mediahaze ? because he wanted to fight the best.

Joe were content with a mutual agreed "no see, no hear, no talk" of the other one.....Otkke.

Why on earth was that enough to satisfie joes hunger for glory. How could he settle with what little he had for 10 years. If he was the unbeatable machine he boasts, he would have bulldozed his way through all the imposters however long or hard he had to fight to drag them into the ring.

[satyriion]

Ottke AND Beyer resisted any overtures to fighting Joe. that's public record.

Ottke wouldn't even agree in principle because he knew he'd take a hammering.

I have heard that before. But what did Joe do about it then. Did he ruthlessly pursue the matter. Did he go ringside at Sauerlands Box Galla.

Did he scream out his challenges after every victory.

Write open letters. Did he provoke the americans in a humiliating way. He could have talked about donkeys and moms, some people get annoyed about stuff like that.

What you tell me is that FW is an incompetent promotor that could not do what an old man of 70 years could accomplish against a Calzaghe that ignored all Kesslers challenges untill 5 months ago. A calzaghe who reluctantly accepted Lacys challenge. Give me a break.

Calzaghes lack of fame and recognition is because of lack of achievements and conquests through 10 years as champ.

The breakthrough of the SMW division has been delayed until Kessler showed up and wrecked havoc on the unspoken rules of ignorence towards your fellow worldschamps

[van the man]

this angle is a complete no starter as joe simply isn't very big or well known in the UK.

you're not dealing with a hatton, a bruno or a benn here, calzaghe is only worth a small column in the papers, no one really cared about the lacy fight, and no one outside boxing circles could give two shits about kes-cal.
that might all have been diffrent nowadays if calzaghe had seeked the glory for 10 years like kessler have done the last couple of years !
agree?

[ThePlugInBabies]

you're doing nothing but shit on this fight, if kessler wins he beat an overhyped fucker who would never leave the UK for the big fights, who ducked everyone going and wasn't what everyone thought he was, and if calzaghe wins.......my word.

[ThePlugInBabies]

that might all have been diffrent nowadays if calzaghe had seeked the glory for 10 years like kessler have done the last couple of years !
agree?

hard to say, bruno and benn had the london fans behind them, hatton the manchester fanatics, who has calzaghe got? clinton woods went to the US in search of glory and fought roy jones jr, he took on glen johnson and beat him, has he made it fame wise?

calzaghe fought lacy in a fight that got a load of attention in the states, did anyone here care? not really. calzaghe doesn't have a solid enough fanbase and has come along at a time where boxing is not very big in the uk. amir khan is more famous!

[satyriion]

hard to say, bruno and benn had the london fans behind them, hatton the manchester fanatics, who has calzaghe got? clinton woods went to the US in search of glory and fought roy jones jr, he took on glen johnson and beat him, has he made it fame wise?

calzaghe fought lacy in a fight that got a load of attention in the states, did anyone here care? not really. calzaghe doesn't have a solid enough fanbase and has come along at a time where boxing is not very big in the uk. amir khan is more famous!


Yeah FW and Calzaghe really fucked up. They had the best boxer in the world. Their own words, not mine, and they could not get the PR and spin machine going. Why not, because Calzaghe was a smalltimer fighting smalltimers.

Hatton broke through 3 years ago. When did he leave FW and why ?

[satyriion]

And why did he become a star, when Calzaghe is the better boxer ?

[Boro chris]

Letters makes no sound on their own. Idiots do on the other hand.

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:rofl :rofl

[ThePlugInBabies]

And why did he become a star, when Calzaghe is the better boxer ?

because hatton plays up the working class boy role perfectly, he comes from a big city, he plays up to the football fan type, they love him as a bloke, he is someone they can relate to, he is a hero in manchester and amongst man city fans, even united fans love the bloke. nobody really knows what calzaghe the person is like, he's fairly quiet and not seen outside boxing circles.

hatton's a man of the people, who the fuck is calzaghe?

[THN]

Who the fuck is Calzaghe ? A former world champion!

[satyriion]

That probably the reason USA is the mekka of boxing. Pitty Joe did not make an image of himself. It would have been easy. On the worldscene, read US, it tokk one fight with Lacy to make him king. Deserved or not.

Imagine he had taken ottke and the mooned all his belts to Rjj, hopkins or whomever over there. I think he could have made it big if he was as invincible as his fans claims. But then again I dont think he was invincible at all. But we will never know how he would have faired with better exposure and opponents. Pitty

[boxfan99]

That probably the reason USA is the mekka of boxing. Pitty Joe did not make an image of himself. It would have been easy. On the worldscene, read US, it tokk one fight with Lacy to make him king. Deserved or not.

Imagine he had taken ottke and the mooned all his belts to Rjj, hopkins or whomever over there. I think he could have made it big if he was as invincible as his fans claims. But then again I dont think he was invincible at all. But we will never know how he would have faired with better exposure and opponents. Pitty

Well, now it is too late for Calzaghe, unless he and ****** degrade themselves to use Ottke-like judges against Kessler, which I fear ****** will do if he gets the chance. Hopefully WBC, WBA and HBO will have some input on who the judges will be, because we all know how it most likely will pan out if ****** and his boxing organization (WBO) will be allowed to pick the judges. Then we will have three blind men judging the fight with scorecards that were filled out before the fight began.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Well, now it is too late for Calzaghe, unless he and ****** degrade themselves to use Ottke-like judges against Kessler, which I fear ****** will do if he gets the chance. Hopefully WBC, WBA and HBO will have some input on who the judges will be, because we all know how it most likely will pan out if ****** and his boxing organization (WBO) will be allowed to pick the judges. Then we will have three blind men judging the fight with scorecards that were filled out before the fight began.

:roll: yeah lets start flinging wild accusations around. i sure as hell hope that cheating fucker kessler doesn't have his gloves loaded, it wouldn't suprise me to see that self centred fool palle have his boy win illegally.

[boxfan99]

:roll: yeah lets start flinging wild accusations around. i sure as hell hope that cheating fucker kessler doesn't have his gloves loaded, it wouldn't suprise me to see that self centred fool palle have his boy win illegally.

I can promise you, that unlike Ottke when he KO'ed Mundine, Kessler will take of his gloves after the fight, so much for that theory.:p Why are you annoyed with my post, considering that you know Calzaghe will blow Kessler out of the ring?;)

By the way, you didn't answer the question I asked you in an earlier post, do you think Calzaghe will beat Kessler as convincingly as he beat Lacy?

[ThePlugInBabies]

I can promise you, that unlike Ottke when he KO'ed Mundine, Kessler will take of his gloves after the fight, so much for that theory.:p Why are you annoyed with my post, considering that you know Calzaghe will blow Kessler out of the ring?;)

By the way, you didn't answer the question I asked you in an earlier post, do you think Calzaghe will beat Kessler as convincingly as he beat Lacy?

sorry, must have missed that post.

i believe he'll beat him comfortably, he won't take as bad a beating as lacy did, but there will be no complaints about the decision, although, has kesslers chin been really tested yet? :think

[boxfan99]

sorry, must have missed that post.

i believe he'll beat him comfortably, he won't take as bad a beating as lacy did, but there will be no complaints about the decision, although, has kesslers chin been really tested yet? :think

If Calzaghe beats Kessler fair and square, I'll be one of the first to congratulate him and his fans on this forum.

Regarding Kesslers chin, it is a matter of taste I guess. Some people only think that your chin has been checked when you have taken a beating like Lacy or Andrade, I'm not one of those people.;)
Personally, I think his chin has been checked, Mundine hit him cleanly a couple of times, and even though I can't stand the guy, Mundine can hit pretty hard, he KO'ed Soliman for instance (the only one to do it) and stunned Green in their fight, and you can argue that he KD Ottke, but the ref ruled it a slip (what a surprise). Andrade also caught Kessler with a short left hook and followed it up with a straight right at the end of round 1, but Kessler has never looked hurt in any of his pro fights.
He has been knocked down once in the amateurs in 1998 but got right back up and stopped his opponent, who had never been stopped before.
All this combined makes me convinced, that Kessler has at least a pretty strong chin.

[Amsterdam]

Kessler's chin is good. He's the 2nd best fighter from 160-175 general crop.

He'll beat Chad Dawson and the rest, but will lose to Calzaghe, pretty badly I might add.

But GO Kessler, in all other bouts of course, not Nov. 3rd.:D

[satyriion]

Kessler's chin is good. He's the 2nd best fighter from 160-175 general crop.

He'll beat Chad Dawson and the rest, but will lose to Calzaghe, pretty badly I might add.

But GO Kessler, in all other bouts of course, not Nov. 3rd.:D still not awake....its reality and joe is on the floor.