Sam Peter's Chin--where is Zakman?

[Rumsfeld]

Zakman, I'd like a full report on Sam Peter's chin from the Boxing Ayatollah.

:smoke

[Stezzie]

Zakman, I'd like a full report on Sam Peter's chin from the Boxing Ayatollah.

:smoke

You guys are idiots...did you see the shots he took? Not to mention he continued the fight as if the knockdowns did not occur in rounds 4-12...Apparently his chin is good otherwise he would not have gotten up. McCline also dropped Byrd who has been Ko'd by Wlad but still has a good chin...

You apparently have never boxed...if you had your understanding of how a solid uppercut feels from a heavyweight...:good

[JETSKI]

Zakman, I'd like a full report on Sam Peter's chin from the Boxing Ayatollah.

:smoke

Ah, I see I gave you an idea from the comments I made in that other thread...

Yeah, Zakman. What happened to the Nigerian Nightmare the other night? I told you he had no boxing talent. But even I was surprised to see that his chin can be cracked.

:good

[Rumsfeld]

You guys are idiots...

Go fuck yourself.

:smoke

[Rumsfeld]

Ah, I see I gave you an idea from the comments I made in that other thread...

Yeah, Zakman. What happened to the Nigerian Nightmare the other night? I told you he had no boxing talent. But even I was surprised to see that his chin can be cracked.

:good
Golota KO1 Zakman

:smoke

[Ambition_Def]

All I know is had McCline hit Golota like that the foul pole woulda been taken out on a stretcher.

[Stezzie]

Go fuck yourself.

:smoke

The truth hurts Shitbag...:lol:

[JETSKI]

All I know is had McCline hit Golota like that the foul pole woulda been taken out on a stretcher.

Get the hell outta here. McCline's a chump & so is Peter. I'll bet the left hand bomb McBride landed on Golota in round 1 had 3 times the force of anything Big Stiff McCline threw that night.

[Rumsfeld]

The truth hurts Shitbag...:lol:

If you believe you calling me an idiot constitutes the truth, you're an even bigger imbecile than I'd previously taken you for.

After all, the thread was obviously nothing more than a ploy to draw my good friend Zakman--chin expert--into a debate on one of his favorite fighters.

So again, go fuck yourself.

:smoke

[ChampionsForever]

p4p when you look at it Taylors chin is on the same level as Peters easily, yet one is a "joke" and the other is a great contender............I admit Zakman knows alot about this sport but hes one of the most biased people on ESB :lol::lol::lol:.

[Ambition_Def]

Get the hell outta here. McCline's a chump & so is Peter. I'll bet the left hand bomb McBride landed on Golota in round 1 had 3 times the force of anything Big Stiff McCline threw that night.

I guess you didn't see the punches then eh captain?

Try seeing the world through eyes less white Jetski. Your hate is becoming transparent. Golota has been decked on punches with far les steam. I'd rate that Brewster left hook about an 8. That right hand McCline hit Sam with was a 10 easily. And Sam got right back up.

World class chin like it or not. Fact is fact.

[marting]

Zakman, I'd like a full report on Sam Peter's chin from the Boxing Ayatollah.

:smoke

I agree. He has some explaining to do on this issue.

[Stezzie]

If you believe you calling me an idiot constitutes the truth, you're an even bigger imbecile than I'd previously taken you for.

After all, the thread was obviously nothing more than a ploy to draw my good friend Zakman--chin expert--into a debate on one of his favorite fighters.

So again, go fuck yourself.

:smoke

The truth was the other half of my first post you failed to comprende...But after reading the post above...you really are an idiot... I hope you get better...

[Rumsfeld]

I agree. He has some explaining to do on this issue.

:deal

[Rumsfeld]

I guess you didn't see the punches then eh captain?

Try seeing the world through eyes less white Jetski. Your hate is becoming transparent. Golota has been decked on punches with far les steam. I'd rate that Brewster left hook about an 8. That right hand McCline hit Sam with was a 10 easily. And Sam got right back up.

:lol:

McCline was never known as anything special in terms of power. Now his power his to-notch?

:rofl:rofl:rofl

[Stezzie]

Get the hell outta here. McCline's a chump & so is Peter. I'll bet the left hand bomb McBride landed on Golota in round 1 had 3 times the force of anything Big Stiff McCline threw that night.

How do those shots compare with the shot that Brewster knocked Golota out in 51 seconds with? Harder or softer?

[Ambition_Def]

:lol:

McCline was never known as anything special in terms of power. Now his power his to-notch?

:rofl:rofl:rofl

No Rums.

But he is a big man and any big man can connect a hard punch once in awhile. McCline isn't known as a big puncher because he is way too tentative. If he was aggressive in nature and attacked his opponents constantly then yes, he'd be a big puncher. Infact you'll find some of the most devastating KOs came from guys who weren't known as big punchers. Does Brock-Lawrence ring a bell?

Try and use your analysis on McCline's handspeed, his foot placement, and the leverage and distance he got on those punches. Both the uppercut and right hand. They were devastating.

[Ambition_Def]

How do those shots compare with the shot that Brewster knocked Golota out in 51 seconds with? Harder or softer?

The one time I saw Golota take a right hand like that was from Mike Tyson. And he got up and quit right afterwards. He was done.

Peter got up from his damage and continued. Major difference there.

[JETSKI]

I guess you didn't see the punches then eh captain?

Try seeing the world through eyes less white Jetski. Your hate is becoming transparent. Golota has been decked on punches with far les steam. I'd rate that Brewster left hook about an 8. That right hand McCline hit Sam with was a 10 easily. And Sam got right back up.

World class chin like it or not. Fact is fact.

I think you wrong about Brewsters left hook that caught Golota. It was one of the most devistating punches ever thrown. You can't even see it coming, but look at that follow through...

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:yikes

[madpup]

No Rums.

But he is a big man and any big man can connect a hard punch once in awhile.

That once in a while only happens when he happens to knock down the fighter you follow.

Imagine if the same punch floored Wlad. What would you say about his chin?

[Ambition_Def]

I think you wrong about Brewsters left hook that caught Golota. It was one of the most devistating punches ever thrown. You can't even see it coming, but look at that follow through...

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:yikes

Now look at the right hand Sam took. McCline had all his weight behind it, AND it hit him from the side of his head where he didn't see it coming.

NmgwRN-OCIE

[Ambition_Def]

That once in a while only happens when he happens to knock down the fighter you follow.

Imagine if the same punch floored Wlad. What would you say about his chin?

Nonsense. McCline has floored plenty of heavyweights. He dropped Grant on one punch. Did Lewis do that? How do you rate Lewis as a puncher?

McCline will not be known as a puncher because he was way too tentative in the ring. But that doesn't mean he can't punch. He obviously has shown a track record in recent years of being able to do that. Byrd, Brock, Grant, Briggs, and now Peter.

[JETSKI]

How do those shots compare with the shot that Brewster knocked Golota out in 51 seconds with? Harder or softer?

See the .gif file I posted above. McCline could NEVER throw a punch with that much power & technique.

[Rumsfeld]

See the .gif file I posted above. McCline could NEVER throw a punch with that much power & technique.

Not even close!

Brewster was always known as a hard puncher, whereas McCline was always known as a timid pussy.

Regardless, the facts remain:

* Golota is a much better technical boxer than McCline
* Golota carries more power than McCline (although, both are poor finishers)

Also, Peter probably isn't effective enough in his aggression to take Golota out early as Brewster did. Peter is about as 'fast' as a turtle. In other words, he's slow as shit.

:smoke

[Stezzie]

Nonsense. McCline has floored plenty of heavyweights. He dropped Grant on one punch. Did Lewis do that? How do you rate Lewis as a puncher?

McCline will not be known as a puncher because he was way too tentative in the ring. But that doesn't mean he can't punch. He obviously has shown a track record in recent years of being able to do that. Byrd, Brock, Grant, Briggs, and now Peter.

He did get a chance to get his feet set and put his weight into that right hand that dropped Peter...

I think that was for Peter...it gives him the chance to learn and correct mistakes and it takes away the intimidation factor he was building on. Now everyone is going to want to take the fight to him...and I think that will enable him to get his ko's

Or maybe he will burn out fast...because the guy takes a lot of punishment...I can't see him having a long career getting hit like that every fight...

[Ambition_Def]

He did get a chance to get his feet set and put his weight into that right hand that dropped Peter...

I think that was for Peter...it gives him the chance to learn and correct mistakes and it takes away the intimidation factor he was building on. Now everyone is going to want to take the fight to him...and I think that will enable him to get his ko's

Or maybe he will burn out fast...because the guy takes a lot of punishment...I can't see him having a long career getting hit like that every fight...

Maybe if Sam stayed down. I do believe that most heavyweights know how hard those punches were. The fact Sam got up and went on to win I'm sure discouraged whatever hopes they had of doing the same thing.

Maybe the Klitschkos, but it's risky. Waldo hasn't thrown an uppercut in years from what I can tell.

[Punisher33]

Maybe if Sam stayed down. I do believe that most heavyweights know how hard those punches were. The fact Sam got up and went on to win I'm sure discouraged whatever hopes they had of doing the same thing.

Maybe the Klitschkos, but it's risky. Waldo hasn't thrown an uppercut in years from what I can tell. Every heavywieght hits hard enough to knock anyone out, when you hit someone on the chin it dont matter how hard you punch, if you hit them right on the button there in trouble. I think alot of people are putting Peter down way to much, the fact that he wants to back in the ring in 2 months just goes to show you he aint gun shy, unlike Liakhovich.

[BoxingGuru]

Zakman is hiding because he looks like an absolute idiot right now.:lol: :lol:

[pioterbezkitu]

Fucking double standards! I remember guys here screaming about glass chinned Brock couse he went down from feather fisted McCline! Zakman was one of those idiots now claiming that McCline has a rocket in his punch

[Zakman]

Zakman, I'd like a full report on Sam Peter's chin from the Boxing Ayatollah.

:smoke

Questions have certainly been raised as a result of the McCline fight, but it is premature to issue a determination that Peter's chin is "shaky." While it should cause concern that a relatively light-hitting HW like McCline was able to floor him three times, on the other hand, Peter got up each time and was able to continue and win the fight.

ESB Chincheckers will need to monitor Peter's performance in upcoming fights carefully to notice signs of punch resistance issues. A rematch with a hard-hitting HW like Wlad Klitschko, or someone like Vladimir Virchis, could provide more evidence on how well Peter takes a punch.

[Zakman]

Fucking double standards! I remember guys here screaming about glass chinned Brock couse he went down from feather fisted McCline! Zakman was one of those idiots now claiming that McCline has a rocket in his punch

Wrong! I refer you to my comments above. I have always maintained McCline is a light-hitting HW, and continue to do so. And, yes, this SHOULD raise concerns about Peter's ability to take a punch.

[pioterbezkitu]

Questions have certainly been raised as a result of the McCline fight, but it is premature to issue a determination that Peter's chin is "shaky." While it should cause concern that a relatively light-hitting HW like McCline was able to floor him three times, on the other hand, Peter got up each time and was able to continue and win the fight.

ESB Chincheckers will need to monitor Peter's performance in upcoming fights carefully to notice signs of punch resistance issues. A rematch with a hard-hitting HW like Wlad Klitschko, or someone like Vladimir Virchis, could provide more evidence on how well Peter takes a punch.

Didn't you call McCline feather fisted?

[Zakman]

I agree. He has some explaining to do on this issue.

Hopefully, the explanation I provided above satisfies your concerns!:yep:D

[Zakman]

Didn't you called McCline feather fisted?

I most certainly did! Which is why this should still raise serious questions about Peter's ability to take a punch, even though he was able to weather the storm.

This is also why more evidence is needed. Taking in the totality of his career, his chin should now have a "questionable" rating.

[Zakman]

Zakman is hiding because he looks like an absolute idiot right now.:lol: :lol:

Wrong. I have been commenting on the now-questionable nature of Peter's chin since this fight happened.

[pioterbezkitu]

I most certainly did! Which is why this should still raise serious questions about Peter's ability to take a punch, even though he was able to weather the storm.

This is also why more evidence is needed. Taking in the totality of his career, his chin should now have a "questionable" rating.


You should never call any fighter feather fisted! For your own good! :D

[Ambition_Def]

If anything Zakman I believe you need to reassess the "feather-fisted" comment. A man that stops Grant quicker than Lewis, who also dropped Sam Peter where Waldo couldn't, is clearly NOT feather-fisted.

He's just very passive.

[Punisher33]

1 bad fight fight doesnt consitute a weak chin, anybody thats ever gotten into the ring knows a guy with no punching power can catch you on the chin and stun you. Now fighters like Wlad and Harrison have proved they could be put down by practically anyone, and there chins have been proved to be weak in more than 1 fight. Just like Zackman said, we need to see more fights to determine wether it was a fluke or not.

[PolishPummler]

If anything Zakman I believe you need to reassess the "feather-fisted" comment. A man that stops Grant quicker than Lewis, who also dropped Sam Peter where Waldo couldn't, is clearly NOT feather-fisted.

He's just very passive.

I think you need to watch the Grant vs McCline fight instead of checking BOXREC.

[PolishPummler]

Amsterdam and Zakman are fans of Peter so they have kept quite.If it were anybody else they would be all over his "China Chin".

Double Standars and very biased(we all are a bit) but not like these 2.

[Lampley]

I don't think McCline is light-hitting, just light-throwing. He found his comfort zone against Peter and landed some pretty hard shots, from my view.

Jameel obviously isn't a huge hitter, but he definitely has more pop than legitimately feather-fisted heavies like Byrd, Toney and Chambers.

[Ambition_Def]

I think you need to watch the Grant vs McCline fight instead of checking BOXREC.

I know Grant was TKO'd because of his ankle. That said he was STILL floored by the first punch McCline decked him with.

How many punches did Lewis have to hit Grant with? Exactly my point.

And Sam says he was very surprised by McCline's power. Coming from a man who took flush right hands from Waldo I think that says alot!

[pioterbezkitu]

Amsterdam and Zakman are fans of Peter so they have kept quite.If it were anybody else they would be all over his "China Chin".

Double Standars and very biased(we all are a bit) but not like these 2.


Yup , and Taylor is a perfect example.

In one of his posts Amsterdam stated that Pavlik is on his "suspect chin list" couse he was hurt and down in Taylor fight (after 16 punches and half of them flush :patsch )

[Rumsfeld]

Questions have certainly been raised as a result of the McCline fight, but it is premature to issue a determination that Peter's chin is "shaky." While it should cause concern that a relatively light-hitting HW like McCline was able to floor him three times, on the other hand, Peter got up each time and was able to continue and win the fight.

ESB Chincheckers will need to monitor Peter's performance in upcoming fights carefully to notice signs of punch resistance issues. A rematch with a hard-hitting HW like Wlad Klitschko, or someone like Vladimir Virchis, could provide more evidence on how well Peter takes a punch.

Thanks for the report, Z-man.

:good

[Rumsfeld]

Questions have certainly been raised as a result of the McCline fight, but it is premature to issue a determination that Peter's chin is "shaky." While it should cause concern that a relatively light-hitting HW like McCline was able to floor him three times, on the other hand, Peter got up each time and was able to continue and win the fight.

ESB Chincheckers will need to monitor Peter's performance in upcoming fights carefully to notice signs of punch resistance issues. A rematch with a hard-hitting HW like Wlad Klitschko, or someone like Vladimir Virchis, could provide more evidence on how well Peter takes a punch.

How do you see a Round Robing going between:
* Sam Peter
* Jameel McCline
* Andrew Golota
* Kevin McBride

:smoke

[RDJ]

Waldo took shots from the "insanely hard hitting" Peter and stood up after being decked three times. Peter did the same thing with mediocre McCline. Waldo's chin > Peters chin?

[PolishPummler]

I know Grant was TKO'd because of his ankle. That said he was STILL floored by the first punch McCline decked him with.

How many punches did Lewis have to hit Grant with? Exactly my point.

And Sam says he was very surprised by McCline's power. Coming from a man who took flush right hands from Waldo I think that says alot!

It was a jab that put Grant down.

The several second sequence was strange but by no means did i thing "holy shit McCline can crack".It was more....uhh wtf was that!

BTW i'm never once stated that Mccline has no power i was just commenting on how you are using the Grant fight as a measuring stick.

[JETSKI]

I know Grant was TKO'd because of his ankle. That said he was STILL floored by the first punch McCline decked him with.

How many punches did Lewis have to hit Grant with? Exactly my point.

And Sam says he was very surprised by McCline's power. Coming from a man who took flush right hands from Waldo I think that says alot!

M. Grant shouldn't be brought into the equation here. He has a genuine glass jaw & Golota was the 1st to put a crack in it.

:yep

[Punisher33]

Waldo took shots from the "insanely hard hitting" Peter and stood up after being decked three times. Peter did the same thing with mediocre McCline. Waldo's chin > Peters chin? calm down, Wlads been down 11 times and been TKOd 3 times, compared to Peter who has only been down 3 times. Theres difference between suspect and weak.:yep

[Ambition_Def]

It was a jab that put Grant down.

The several second sequence was strange but by no means did i thing "holy shit McCline can crack".It was more....uhh wtf was that!

BTW i'm never once stated that Mccline has no power i was just commenting on how you are using the Grant fight as a measuring stick.

It was a jab yes but it was a very stiff punch that Grant walked into. He wasn't off balance if that's what you are saying. I remember seeing it, but it has been some time.

In any event a man does not fall down and break his ankle without having lost some control in the first place. Lewis took 2 rounds of clubbing Grant to get him out of there. So I'd say it's pretty safe to assume McCline can crack when he wants to.

[JETSKI]

It was a jab that put Grant down.

The several second sequence was strange but by no means did i thing "holy shit McCline can crack".It was more....uhh wtf was that!

BTW i'm never once stated that Mccline has no power i was just commenting on how you are using the Grant fight as a measuring stick.

Hey Pummler, ya getting ready for the Giants vs 49ers in 2 weeks?

Oh boy!:shock:

[Stezzie]

Waldo took shots from the "insanely hard hitting" Peter and stood up after being decked three times. Peter did the same thing with mediocre McCline. Waldo's chin > Peters chin?

Waldo didnt take any flush shots...I thought Peter's power was overrated? Which is it?

[Zakman]

How do you see a Round Robing going between:
* Sam Peter
* Jameel McCline
* Andrew Golota
* Kevin McBride

:smoke

Well, clearly we know the outcome of two of those fights, so let's first match Golota with Peter, OK? Golota was hurt by MCBUM in the first, and he's WAY past his prime, so, unless he gets a good shot in on Peter early, I don't see him winning this fight. And let's not forget that Golota isn't exactly George Chuvalo either. Most likely it ends in a mid-rounds stoppage for Peter.

As far as the rest of the potential matchups - ANY of those guys stops McBum, with McCline probably taking the longest to get rid of him. If McCline and Golota were to face each other, I'd favor Golota narrowly. He was a MUCH better fighter in his prime, and I think he has enough left to win a decision over McCline.

[Ambition_Def]

McCline's achillies heel is his stamina and how passive he tends to be because of it.

But he'd have Nutsy out of there before that would become an issue. Golota was always an open target. Typical Euro with no head movement or upper body movement. He just absorbed punches.

[PolishPummler]

McCline's achillies heel is his stamina and how passive he tends to be because of it.

But he'd have Nutsy out of there before that would become an issue. Golota was always an open target. Typical Euro with no head movement or upper body movement. He just absorbed punches.

:-(

He was very fluent and not your typical Euro fighter.

You seem to see things differently:blood

[Ambition_Def]

:-(

He was very fluent and not your typical Euro fighter.

You seem to see things differently:blood

Fluent how?

You throw a punch at his head and it hits. Bowe couldn't miss him, nor could Lewis, or Grant, or Samson, or Tyson or Brewster or anyone else for that matter. Hell even McBride hit him flush in the first round. McBride!

Fact is with Golota if you could bang a bit he was not that difficult. You just had to attack him very early before he got settled.

[PolishPummler]

Fluent how?

You throw a punch at his head and it hits. Bowe couldn't miss him, nor could Lewis, or Grant, or Samson, or Tyson or Brewster or anyone else for that matter. Hell even McBride hit him flush in the first round. McBride!

Fact is with Golota if you could bang a bit he was not that difficult. You just had to attack him very early before he got settled.

So much to touch on.....

For one what set Golota apart from MOST Euro fighters before him was infact how fluent he was.Merchant or Lampley touch up on this during one of the Bowe fights.If his style is so basic and Euro then what does that say about Bowe's great "American Style".

Golota is a big man like Bowe,Wlad,Vitali,McCline...etc so you arent going to see them dancing like Ali or bobbing and weaving as nicely as Tyson.

Post 99-2000 yes he became alot more stiff and upright because of age and and of course his car accident which he was never the same after.

Not until Wlad did we see another Euro Heavy who didnt fight like the rest.

Golota was very fluent!

Does this look anything like your basic "Euro Style"?.......
dv1wj01sE1c

[Ambition_Def]

Typical Golota fan.

Link a video of Golota smashing around a bunch of bums and several high class fights with only clips of Golota on offense but never on defense. :lol:

Samson hit Golota so hard Golota got frustrated and bit his neck. Bowe hit Golota so hard that his cheek split open and you could see his teeth through his face!

And we need not even mention what happened when Lewis, Brewster and Tyson got him.

The man was as stiff as a board. And don't worry, I was also a fan of his! I can be realistic however, you should try it out.

[marting]

Hopefully, the explanation I provided above satisfies your concerns!:yep:D



I think there's waaaaaay more variables that go into a knockdown/knockout that go undiscussed that now are rearing their head with your analysis.

My concerns with your analyis raises questions:

Did you overstate Peter's whiskers?
Is McCline still a light hitter?
Do you now reevaluate Klitschko's power up or down? He put away McCline while Peter couldn't even put him down and yet Klitschko couldn't put Peter away.
How important does the fact that Peter went down for all intents and purposes from a single lone punch where no accumulated punches factor in or where fatigue plays absolutely zero role?
Does McCline's deplorable stamina factor into this? A sturdier fighter, a bigger hitter, or a better finisher could have very well put him out totally.

I think my point is that all encompassing conclusions about fighter's chins is filled with pitfalls.

[brooklyn1550]

The bottom line with Peter's chin...

There are questions that have yet to be answered
He can be knocked out - he's no Tua, McCall, Chuvalo, or a prime Mercer
It dropped a grade - from A to B

[MrMagic]

Samuel Peter vs. Lamon Brewster.


Zakman, I'd like your prediction in this fight. :good

[brooklyn1550]

I'm not Zakman:D , but I'd pick Peter by UD or late TKO over Brewster

[Zakman]

I think there's waaaaaay more variables that go into a knockdown/knockout that go undiscussed that now are rearing their head with your analysis.

My concerns with your analyis raises questions:

Did you overstate Peter's whiskers?
Is McCline still a light hitter?
Do you now reevaluate Klitschko's power up or down? He put away McCline while Peter couldn't even put him down and yet Klitschko couldn't put Peter away.
How important does the fact that Peter went down for all intents and purposes from a single lone punch where no accumulated punches factor in or where fatigue plays absolutely zero role?
Does McCline's deplorable stamina factor into this? A sturdier fighter, a bigger hitter, or a better finisher could have very well put him out totally.

I think my point is that all encompassing conclusions about fighter's chins is filled with pitfalls.

VERY interesting questions - I will try to address them in turn as best I can.

It seems that I - and others - overestimated Peter's chin strength off of the Klitschko fight, and (to address your 3rd question) that many of us may have over-estimated Wlad's power as well.

I do not think that this fight shows that McCline is any of a harder hitter than we thought. Boxing history is riddled with relatively light-hitting fighters who, on occassion, were able to exhibit uncharacteristic power. Even guys like Willie Pep, or more recently, Sven Ottke, knocked SOME fighters out. The key to chin - and power - analysis, is in looking at the totality of a fighter's career. When McCline's career is viewed "in toto" it's pretty clear the guy isn't exactly Earnie Shavers.

The fact that Peter went down from a single punch, early in the fight, where fatigue presumably played little if any role, makes the questions about Peter's chin, imo, all the more serious. Again, however, this has to be balanced against the other factors I suggested above. More evidence is needed to form a definitive conclusion.

As to McCline's deplorable stamina - which is probably related to his huge size, among other factors - it probably did play an important role in his inability to finish Peter. How much this contributed, and how much any recuperative ability/heart that Peter has factored in, remains a question that will emerge in Peter's future fights.

Finally, I might add that these sorts of debates and examinations are exactly why I joined ESB in the first place! Cheers!:good

[PolishPummler]

Typical Golota fan.

Link a video of Golota smashing around a bunch of bums and several high class fights with only clips of Golota on offense but never on defense. :lol:

Samson hit Golota so hard Golota got frustrated and bit his neck. Bowe hit Golota so hard that his cheek split open and you could see his teeth through his face!

And we need not even mention what happened when Lewis, Brewster and Tyson got him.

The man was as stiff as a board. And don't worry, I was also a fan of his! I can be realistic however, you should try it out.

:patsch

Go back to lounge.

[Heavyrighthand]

VERY interesting questions - I will try to address them in turn as best I can.

It seems that I - and others - overestimated Peter's chin strength off of the Klitschko fight, and (to address your 3rd question) that many of us may have over-estimated Wlad's power as well.


I don't think Wlad's power is overrated, at all, as he has absolutely destroyed, in grand fashion, his last several opponents.

I think against Peter he was not putting his full force on his shots, as he was sticking and moving, so he'd not get countered by the presumeably very dangerous Peter.

I think that Peter's punch tolerance is overrated from what we thought. Wlad's power is amazing, but Peter was not getting a full, set down on, shot, as Wlad has used on so many others.

That said, Peter is far from china chinned as some of the kids on this site love to say over and over again.

I think this whole thing is merely a good illustration that just about any heavyweight fighter can drop you, regardless of if they are known for being a heavy puncher, or not. They don't call them heavyweights for nothing.

[Scar]

Since when was going down in boxing an embarrassment?, damn idiotic fools. Does that mean guys like Hearns, Leonard, Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Marciano..etc are all bums?
Sam got hit with solid shots, went down and got back up, now that's heart and should be respect instead of laughed at.
Besides, as a Golota fan, you should think twice before questioning ANY boxer out there.

[brooklyn1550]

Besides, as a Golota fan, you should think twice before questioning ANY boxer out there.

:yep

[PolishPummler]

Since when was going down in boxing an embarrassment?, damn idiotic fools. Does that mean guys like Hearns, Leonard, Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Marciano..etc are all bums?
Sam got hit with solid shots, went down and got back up, now that's heart and should be respect instead of laughed at.
Besides, as a Golota fan, you should think twice before questioning ANY boxer out there.

He's just using Zak's logic against him when it comes to a fighter that Zak likes.

It's fun watching him squirm his way out of it.

[Ambition_Def]

He's just using Zak's logic against him when it comes to a fighter that Zak likes.

It's fun watching him squirm his way out of it.

I haven't seen Zak squirm out of anything. Infact he is sticking to his guns about McCline being "feather-fisted." It's quite funny in a way.

[PolishPummler]

I haven't seen Zak squirm out of anything. Infact he is sticking to his guns about McCline being "feather-fisted." It's quite funny in a way.

So if he's feather fisted and he dropped Peter 3x that would make Peter's chin weak!

According to his logic.

He is the first one here to shit all over fighters who so much as get wobbled once so he is being called for not doing the same thing for a fighter he likes.

[EpsilonAxis]

All I know is that seeing the Wlad fight live...he was hit with some HORRENDOUS punches that sounded like gunshots...

[Ambition_Def]

So if he's feather fisted and he dropped Peter 3x that would make Peter's chin weak!

According to his logic.

He is the first one here to shit all over fighters who so much as get wobbled once so he is being called for not doing the same thing for a fighter he likes.

Are you reading his posts? He still says McCline is "feather-fisted" :lol:

I guess it's how he chose to cope with it. Me however I went for reality and said McCline's power was obviously underrated.

[PolishPummler]

Are you reading his posts? He still says McCline is "feather-fisted" :lol:

I guess it's how he chose to cope with it. Me however I went for reality and said McCline's power was obviously underrated.

Taking into consideration his size and weight he should be able to drop people.

Had it been any other fighter Zak would be all over the China Chin thing.

[Ambition_Def]

Taking into consideration his size and weight he should be able to drop people.

Had it been any other fighter Zak would be all over the China Chin thing.

I'll be honest with you. When I initially saw Sam get hurt I was like screaming at my TV "man WTF is wrong with you!?!"

But then I saw the replays. Those shots were devastating. No other way to put it.

[Zakman]

Samuel Peter vs. Lamon Brewster.


Zakman, I'd like your prediction in this fight. :good

Now?? Peter beats him up and probably stops him late.:yep