The 2007 top 10 P4P worst chins for ranked fighters

[Amsterdam]

Since the chin checkers of ESB lost the coveted "2007 chin checklist", I will simply have to keep track of some of the worst examples in a P4P list and will do updates for the rankings as they are fit for changes.

This list is not for journeymen, it's for ranked guys who are either prospects, contenders, hype jobs(exposed or not) and other things of the similiar variants... this is why I won't bother listing guys like Ray Austin, even though he is an example.

I am also going to provide explanation and analysis as to why these fighters rank where they do, and we're off....

June, 2007:

1. Jaidon Codrington - Everyone knows what happened vs. Allan Green, this kid may very well have the worst chin among known fighters that we have seen in years. Recently, he nearly got taken out by a 14-16 tomato can and look for him to be removed accordingly as soon as he steps past the tomato can level. It is doubtful that any fighter could be ranked over Jaidon this year, even the famous Fraudley Harrison.

2. Fraudley Harrison - Truthfully, no explanation is needed, but since many non-chin checkers actually defend these types, an explanation will be provided...
When Fraudley was coming up he was overhyped and overpaid due to Olympic success, he was however frequently rocked by light hitting tomato cans, he fought overly tenatative when stepping up to the journeyman level and when he finally fought aggressively against a mediocre hitting journeyman in Sprott, he got laid out flat. Since he was brutally KTFO by a totally average hitter, and since the effect was so damned beautiful for all of us who take the time to check chins, Fraudley gets a number 2 ranking on our list.

3. Delvin Rodriguez - Getting KTFO by a light hitting, punchy journeyman in Jesse Felciano is about as bad as it gets... this kid has some decent skills, but his chin may very well rival Jaidon Codrington in the grand scheme of things.

4. Jason Litzau - Back in 2005 this kid was nearly stopped by a light hitting journeyman, the public defended him because he was entertaining, in December 2006 he was KTFO straight by a mediocre hitting journeyman. There may be worse examples, but his obnoxious personality and the wonderful effect of him getting KOed by Hernandez has Litzau at number 4.... well deserved I might add as he has awful punch resistance.

5. Mike Anchondo - One can forgive Mighty Mike getting stopped by a very heavy handed Jorge Barrios, but it seems his punch resistance has degraded since then as an average hitting fringe contender KOed him flat in the 3rd round in his last outing.

6. Hasim Rahman - Here is a fighter who has been sparked more times than any ranked Heavyweight. The ONLY thing that keeps him out of the top 5 is the fact that he's always sparked by decent-good fighters at least, where these others get sparked by nobodies. Rahman was recently rocked by Taurus Sykes.... if that's how he's going to take a shot for the rest of the year, then he may very well enter the top 3.

7. Cornelius Bundrage - K-9 getting KTFO in round 1 vs. the light hitting Sechew Powell is pretty damn nice.:lol:
But, it needs to happen again for him to rank with his bretheren in Codrington and D. Rodriguez.

8. Felix Sturm - KOed by Castillejo, whom is an average puncher at best. Continually fighting protected competition to protect this glass chin, if he ever does take on another top MW, expect him to get KOed even earlier.

9. Anthony Mundine - Nobody gets KOed by Sven Ottke and that is a statement all on it's own. Mundine has however competed on the top level, though I stand by that it is because of his skillful defencive abilities and speed that has stopped him from getting KTFO by names like Mikkel Kessler and Manny Siaca. Mundine may move up the rankings, or may get dropped off the rankings, only time will tell.

10. Calvin Brock - It's not only getting KOed by Wladimir Klitschko that would give you a ranking on this list, it also has to do with getting rocked and dropped severely by the light hitting Jameel McCline and getting rocked badly by the last two tomato cans that you've fought. Expect Brock to definitley be moving up the rankings, the thing that keeps him at the bottom of the list is his lack of multiple KO's like Rahman, but they're coming....:good

[Arthur]

great post, definitely agree with your list.
Jason Litzau getting knocked out was one of the highlights of 2007 as far as i'm concerned. and Coddington is a joke!

[JERMZ BOXING]

i agree with the whole thing...

[JERMZ BOXING]

allan green has a weak chin himself....

[Amsterdam]

Thankyou my good men, with our gigantic thread lost in the recent crash and all of these "amatuer" chin checkers making threads and checking fighters that they hate, or are no longer or haven't been relevant to the year 2007, we needed a true P4P worst chins list and it needed to objective and well researched....

So here it is, updates will not be on any time schedule, but just when an update is needed.

[Marnoff]

Great list. I like the explanations.

[Amsterdam]

allan green has a weak chin himself....

That he does JB, but he needs to be officially KTFO like the others before we knock off a guy like Sturm to put him in.

Similiar to how a hot contender needs to defeat another elite fighter to get on the Ring's P4P list.

[BigReg]

I think the whole weak chin argument is misleading. I saw that Litzau fight where he got knocked out. He got hit with some big shots throughout the fight without blinking. The punch that knocked him out was a perfect hook that he did not see coming. I don't care who you are, if you get hit with any type of downward force on the jaw with a punch you're not prepared for, you're going down.

Getting knocked out alot of times is a product of being a poor defensive fighter. You have to be able to duck and block punches, and you have to see the puches coming. People were saying Pavlik had a weak chin after McKart knocked him down. However, Miranda hit him with bombs and he didn't blink. Why did this happen? It happened because Miranda wound up for his big punches and Pavlik could see them coming from a mile away.

[sdsfinest22]

agreed!!
!I think the whole weak chin argument is misleading. I saw that Litzau fight where he got knocked out. He got hit with some big shots throughout the fight without blinking. The punch that knocked him out was a perfect hook that he did not see coming. I don't care who you are, if you get hit with any type of downward force on the jaw with a punch you're not prepared for, you're going down.

Getting knocked out alot of times is a product of being a poor defensive fighter. You have to be able to duck and block punches, and you have to see the puches coming. People were saying Pavlik had a weak chin after McKart knocked him down. However, Miranda hit him with bombs and he didn't blink. Why did this happen? It happened because Miranda wound up for his big punches and Pavlik could see them coming from a mile away.

[DanePugilist]

I totally agree with the list - but I think that your judgement of Mundine is too harsh - it was his 10th fight or whatever and he got hit in the temple.

I'd hate to say it - but I think at this point RJJ should be on that list instead.

[Amsterdam]

I totally agree with the list - but I think that your judgement of Mundine is too harsh - it was his 10th fight or whatever and he got hit in the temple.

Lots of guys get hit in the temple, check out Ottke's KO ratio however.:lol:

Mundine's at the lower end of the list and can be proven enough to be removed, he stays for now. I am not a Mundine hater, it's quite amazing that he's developed enough skill to not get KTFO by Kessler and others.

[andyZOR]

Any news on Vicious's chin?

[Smazz20]

Any news on Vicious's chin?


Makes McCall look like Codrington

[andyZOR]

Makes McCall look like Codrington

:shock:


Anyways, do you guys think if Audley had a pretty good chin, would he be a top contender?

[WhataRock]

Makes McCall look like Codrington

Thats just cold

[Carlos Primera]

i think this format is better than the old one. that one had to many unchecked/shaky names on it. this top 10 p4p china chin list format is concise as it just lists bad whiskers no if's or buts, just china.

[gold_gloves]

i dont understand how Mundine could still be a top 10 P4P worst chin...seriosuly....

Mundine has gone the distance with

Kessler - Not an overly big puncher but still got some quite solid snap and power, definietly has the power to KO a china chin...Mundine went 12 rounds with him and lost...meaning he did get hit a fair bit and didnt get even KD let alone KO'd...

Echols - going into this fight Echols has KOd 26 of his opponents in 29 fights...a KO artist, he went 12 round with mundine and lost winning at least 3 rounds...he did land a few clean, crisp punches to that chin but did not send him down...

Danny Green - a very hard hitter with 19 kos in 21 fights...yeah we all know he got embarrassed but surely if mundine was so cihna even a slight blow from a powerful puncher would send Mundines china ass to the ground...wait, it didnt....

so there is 3 hard punching fighters that Mundine has gone the distance with...and not even gone down...in his whole career i think Mundine has been down 3-4 times in 28 fights..

just 1 year and 5 months inot his boxing carrer he cops a temple shot in the 10th round and goes down and doesnt get up...that DOES NOT mean he has a china chin for his entire carrer, he got caught and didnt see it and he was VERY unexpericned...

Mundine's chin is not china at all, it is not rock solid thats for sure but it is not what people make out it is....and should not be on that list.

[WhataRock]

i dont understand how Mundine could still be a top 10 P4P worst chin...seriosuly....

Mundine has gone the distance with

Kessler - Not an overly big puncher but still got some quite solid snap and power, definietly has the power to KO a china chin...Mundine went 12 rounds with him and lost...meaning he did get hit a fair bit and didnt get even KD let alone KO'd...

Echols - going into this fight Echols has KOd 26 of his opponents in 29 fights...a KO artist, he went 12 round with mundine and lost winning at least 3 rounds...he did land a few clean, crisp punches to that chin but did not send him down...

Danny Green - a very hard hitter with 19 kos in 21 fights...yeah we all know he got embarrassed but surely if mundine was so cihna even a slight blow from a powerful puncher would send Mundines china ass to the ground...wait, it didnt....

so there is 3 hard punching fighters that Mundine has gone the distance with...and not even gone down...in his whole career i think Mundine has been down 3-4 times in 28 fights..

just 1 year and 5 months inot his boxing carrer he cops a temple shot in the 10th round and goes down and doesnt get up...that DOES NOT mean he has a china chin for his entire carrer, he got caught and didnt see it and he was VERY unexpericned...

Mundine's chin is not china at all, it is not rock solid thats for sure but it is not what people make out it is....and should not be on that list.

Good post
There certainly is a ton of evidence to support Mundine having an underrated chin, people tend to overlook it.

Mundine's chin is still his weak point but he protects it really well and can recover from being hurt suprisingly quick.

[gold_gloves]

Also Jason Litzau is probaly the best china chin to watch get broken...its so gud to see his skinny wigger ass shit itself...

[dwilson]

Mundine's chin is not china but it will prob always stop him from being a serious top level boxer. Hope not as he does seem to have talent, needs to step up though.

[LBoneMalone]

The only part of your argument for putting Calvin Brock on your list that is even remotely accurate is that Wlad did rock Calvin. Calvin did get up and the fight was stopped, which makes it a TKO, not a KO, but you were at least close there. McCline never rocked Brock - watch the knock down again. And in his last fight, Alex Gonzales was standing on Brock's foot when he hit him in the chest. The referee, Steve Smoger, even came out after the fight and apologized for ruling it a knock down. Just thought I would help you with your facts. :good

[David B]

Amsterdam,thank you for this very good article and i agree with almost everything.However i do not think Mundine should be in this list because of the Ottke ko.I saw the fight live at the german channel and Ottke gave an interview 25 minutes after the fight at 30 meters from the ring.He had his gloves still on.The only other time he didn't remove his gloves was against Joey Gatti who was also knocked out cold.Gatti suffered a bleeding to the brain and later accused Ottke of loaded gloves.

[VIP]

Even as a Mundine fan I can agree with this list. Mundines' chin is definitely one of his weakpoints and liability. He's taken punches from bigger punchers including Echols, Siaca, Kessler, D. Green, but still has more to prove.

[VIP]

Amsterdam,thank you for this very good article and i agree with almost everything.However i do not think Mundine should be in this list because of the Ottke ko.I saw the fight live at the german channel and Ottke gave an interview 25 minutes after the fight at 30 meters from the ring.He had his gloves still on.The only other time he didn't remove his gloves was against Joey Gatti who was also knocked out cold.Gatti suffered a bleeding to the brain and later accused Ottke of loaded gloves.

Interesting you say this stuff, I never heard of it before.

[HopkinsFan]

Amsterdam,thank you for this very good article and i agree with almost everything.However i do not think Mundine should be in this list because of the Ottke ko.I saw the fight live at the german channel and Ottke gave an interview 25 minutes after the fight at 30 meters from the ring.He had his gloves still on.The only other time he didn't remove his gloves was against Joey Gatti who was also knocked out cold.Gatti suffered a bleeding to the brain and later accused Ottke of loaded gloves.

this is very interesting, never heard of this before. also i don't believe Mundine has a spot on this list, not even at 10

[David B]

Interesting you say this stuff, I never heard of it before.

i consider Mundine as a very arrogant fighter but i feel he is unfairly critized for something i consider illegal.

[PolishPummler]

Since the chin checkers of ESB lost the coveted "2007 chin checklist", I will simply have to keep track of some of the worst examples in a P4P list and will do updates for the rankings as they are fit for changes.

This list is not for journeymen, it's for ranked guys who are either prospects, contenders, hype jobs(exposed or not) and other things of the similiar variants... this is why I won't bother listing guys like Ray Austin, even though he is an example.

I am also going to provide explanation and analysis as to why these fighters rank where they do, and we're off....

June, 2007:

1. Jaidon Codrington - Everyone knows what happened vs. Allan Green, this kid may very well have the worst chin among known fighters that we have seen in years. Recently, he nearly got taken out by a 14-16 tomato can and look for him to be removed accordingly as soon as he steps past the tomato can level. It is doubtful that any fighter could be ranked over Jaidon this year, even the famous Fraudley Harrison.

2. Fraudley Harrison - Truthfully, no explanation is needed, but since many non-chin checkers actually defend these types, an explanation will be provided...
When Fraudley was coming up he was overhyped and overpaid due to Olympic success, he was however frequently rocked by light hitting tomato cans, he fought overly tenatative when stepping up to the journeyman level and when he finally fought aggressively against a mediocre hitting journeyman in Sprott, he got laid out flat. Since he was brutally KTFO by a totally average hitter, and since the effect was so damned beautiful for all of us who take the time to check chins, Fraudley gets a number 2 ranking on our list.

3. Delvin Rodriguez - Getting KTFO by a light hitting, punchy journeyman in Jesse Felciano is about as bad as it gets... this kid has some decent skills, but his chin may very well rival Jaidon Codrington in the grand scheme of things.

4. Jason Litzau - Back in 2005 this kid was nearly stopped by a light hitting journeyman, the public defended him because he was entertaining, in December 2006 he was KTFO straight by a mediocre hitting journeyman. There may be worse examples, but his obnoxious personality and the wonderful effect of him getting KOed by Hernandez has Litzau at number 4.... well deserved I might add as he has awful punch resistance.

5. Mike Anchondo - One can forgive Mighty Mike getting stopped by a very heavy handed Jorge Barrios, but it seems his punch resistance has degraded since then as an average hitting fringe contender KOed him flat in the 3rd round in his last outing.

6. Hasim Rahman - Here is a fighter who has been sparked more times than any ranked Heavyweight. The ONLY thing that keeps him out of the top 5 is the fact that he's always sparked by decent-good fighters at least, where these others get sparked by nobodies. Rahman was recently rocked by Taurus Sykes.... if that's how he's going to take a shot for the rest of the year, then he may very well enter the top 3.

7. Cornelius Bundrage - K-9 getting KTFO in round 1 vs. the light hitting Sechew Powell is pretty damn nice.:lol:
But, it needs to happen again for him to rank with his bretheren in Codrington and D. Rodriguez.

8. Felix Sturm - KOed by Castillejo, whom is an average puncher at best. Continually fighting protected competition to protect this glass chin, if he ever does take on another top MW, expect him to get KOed even earlier.

9. Anthony Mundine - Nobody gets KOed by Sven Ottke and that is a statement all on it's own. Mundine has however competed on the top level, though I stand by that it is because of his skillful defencive abilities and speed that has stopped him from getting KTFO by names like Mikkel Kessler and Manny Siaca. Mundine may move up the rankings, or may get dropped off the rankings, only time will tell.

10. Calvin Brock - It's not only getting KOed by Wladimir Klitschko that would give you a ranking on this list, it also has to do with getting rocked and dropped severely by the light hitting Jameel McCline and getting rocked badly by the last two tomato cans that you've fought. Expect Brock to definitley be moving up the rankings, the thing that keeps him at the bottom of the list is his lack of multiple KO's like Rahman, but they're coming....:good

Castillejo is a seasoned vet with a pretty good KO ratio.Not a Sturm fan but there are far worse chins.

How about Miranda?Rocked by Abraham and Eastman and completly got destroyed by Pavlik.He prides himself on being a big hitter so i think his shaky chin should get some attention.

[Cookie]

I don't agree with Sturm being in the top 10 for worst chins. He took a lot of shots from Castillejo before getting knocked out. He also took a lot of punches from Masoe who is known as a big hitter. DLH didn't do shit to him either.

I don't think his chin is rock solid or anything, but it's decent. Average probably.

[jopez707]

Why isnt Wladimir Klitschko on this list? I am a fan of Klitschko but he has been down at least 10 times in his career; I cant think of a recent dominant heavyweight that has been down that many times in their career, (except maybe Michael Moorer).

[PolishPummler]

Why isnt Wladimir Klitschko on this list? I am a fan of Klitschko but he has been down at least 10 times in his career; I cant think of a recent dominant heavyweight that has been down that many times in their career, (except maybe Michael Moorer).

He got up everytime and has since become the #1 Heavy.

A few of those K/D's were bogus.

His chin is shaky no doubt but to his credit he has never been put to sleep and hasnt allowed his bumps in the road slow him down.

[Amsterdam]

I don't agree with Sturm being in the top 10 for worst chins. He took a lot of shots from Castillejo before getting knocked out. He also took a lot of punches from Masoe who is known as a big hitter. DLH didn't do shit to him either.

I don't think his chin is rock solid or anything, but it's decent. Average probably.

The list is not set in stone, let Sturm either prove once and for all that it's at least "average", or someone else pop up that is more deserving for a #8 spot, we may even have one this weekend, you never know.