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achillesthegreat
06-17-2007, 06:35 PM
So many fans today are on the edge of their seat waiting for a fighter to be 'exposed'. So many of them have pretty records that are slated for having little or no real substance to them.

Most fans are more upset about a loss than the fighters is. These fighters have been amateurs and lost and they've been beaten up in sparring. We see an '0' at the end of their record and think they are invincible, untouchable and they just don't know how to lose. This is far from the truth and is proven when boxers take a loss in their stride even when they've talked themself up a little too much.

A good example recently is Paulie Malignaggi. Let's be honest his record was nothing to write home about and he talked a bit too much. Then he lost bravely but painfully to Cotto. He really wanted to win that WBO belt, you could see him choking about it after the fight. He fell off, but last night he got back on again and won himself a title.

Now this isn't just about Paulie Malignaggi. This is also about Wladimir Klitschko, Samuel Peter and every other fighter who people have thought, wanted and even needed to be invincible.

Fighters lose, it's part of the game. We need to accept it, just like the fighters do. We need to move on and look forward to great prospects, just like the fighters do.

Paulie won the IBF, Wlad is now the IBF champ and Peter is on the cusps of another title shot. Hell, Oliver McCall is 88 years old and he looks to be on the cusps of another title shot.

Decebal
06-17-2007, 06:37 PM
So many fans today are on the edge of their seat waiting for a fighter to be 'exposed'. So many of them have pretty records that are slated for having little or no real substance to them.

Most fans are more upset about a loss than the fighters is. These fighters have been amateurs and lost and they've been beaten up in sparring. We see an '0' at the end of their record and think they are invincible, untouchable and they just don't know how to lose. This is far from the truth and is proven when boxers take a loss in their stride even when they've talked themself up a little too much.

A good example recently is Paulie Malignaggi. Let's be honest his record was nothing to write home about and he talked a bit too much. Then he lost bravely but painfully to Cotto. He really wanted to win that WBO belt, you could see him choking about it after the fight. He fell off, but last night he got back on again and won himself a title.

Now this isn't just about Paulie Malignaggi. This is also about Wladimir Klitschko, Samuel Peter and every other fighter who people have thought, wanted and even needed to be invincible.

Fighters lose, it's part of the game. We need to accept it, just like the fighters do. We need to move on and look forward to great prospects, just like the fighters do.

Paulie won the IBF, Wlad is now the IBF champ and Peter is on the cusps of another title shot. Hell, Oliver McCall is 88 years old and he looks to be on the cusps of another title shot.

nice post!:good

McGrain
06-17-2007, 06:37 PM
So many fans today are on the edge of their seat waiting for a fighter to be 'exposed'. So many of them have pretty records that are slated for having little or no real substance to them.

Most fans are more upset about a loss than the fighters is. These fighters have been amateurs and lost and they've been beaten up in sparring. We see an '0' at the end of their record and think they are invincible, untouchable and they just don't know how to lose. This is far from the truth and is proven when boxers take a loss in their stride even when they've talked themself up a little too much.

A good example recently is Paulie Malignaggi. Let's be honest his record was nothing to write home about and he talked a bit too much. Then he lost bravely but painfully to Cotto. He really wanted to win that WBO belt, you could see him choking about it after the fight. He fell off, but last night he got back on again and won himself a title.

Now this isn't just about Paulie Malignaggi. This is also about Wladimir Klitschko, Samuel Peter and every other fighter who people have thought, wanted and even needed to be invincible.

Fighters lose, it's part of the game. We need to accept it, just like the fighters do. We need to move on and look forward to great prospects, just like the fighters do.

Paulie won the IBF, Wlad is now the IBF champ and Peter is on the cusps of another title shot. Hell, Oliver McCall is 88 years old and he looks to be on the cusps of another title shot.


This may be the best post since the site was restored.

I agree 100%

tampa
06-17-2007, 07:13 PM
very good read.

pit
06-17-2007, 07:43 PM
So many fans today are on the edge of their seat waiting for a fighter to be 'exposed'. So many of them have pretty records that are slated for having little or no real substance to them.

Most fans are more upset about a loss than the fighters is. These fighters have been amateurs and lost and they've been beaten up in sparring. We see an '0' at the end of their record and think they are invincible, untouchable and they just don't know how to lose. This is far from the truth and is proven when boxers take a loss in their stride even when they've talked themself up a little too much.

A good example recently is Paulie Malignaggi. Let's be honest his record was nothing to write home about and he talked a bit too much. Then he lost bravely but painfully to Cotto. He really wanted to win that WBO belt, you could see him choking about it after the fight. He fell off, but last night he got back on again and won himself a title.

Now this isn't just about Paulie Malignaggi. This is also about Wladimir Klitschko, Samuel Peter and every other fighter who people have thought, wanted and even needed to be invincible.

Fighters lose, it's part of the game. We need to accept it, just like the fighters do. We need to move on and look forward to great prospects, just like the fighters do.

Paulie won the IBF, Wlad is now the IBF champ and Peter is on the cusps of another title shot. Hell, Oliver McCall is 88 years old and he looks to be on the cusps of another title shot.


I agree so much is made of a perfect record and making a decent living in boxing.

MSTR
06-17-2007, 09:28 PM
The perfect record is more for the casual fans then anything. Any real boxing fan knows that the competition is what counts.

Amsterdam
06-17-2007, 09:32 PM
Malignaggi was praised for his loss though, it's quite different than the "exposed" stuff. Everyone was ready for Malignaggi to comeback and he has a good fanbase now.

Different from say a Jason Litzau complete joke, or a soon to be Amir Khan complete joke getting KTFO.

MSTR
06-17-2007, 09:33 PM
Malignaggi was praised for his loss though, it's quite different than the "exposed" stuff. Everyone was ready for Malignaggi to comeback and he has a good fanbase now.

Different from say a Jason Litzau complete joke, or a soon to be Amir Khan complete joke getting KTFO.
What has Khan looked like in recent outings. I haven't seen much since his early days, which wasn't overly impressive.

Amsterdam
06-17-2007, 09:39 PM
What has Khan looked like in recent outings. I haven't seen much since his early days, which wasn't overly impressive.

Not overly impressive is how he's looked with every step, and he has a grade A china chin that's just ready to be exposed, hopefully Limond musters up some strength and goes right for it, considering a guy with 0 KO's rocked Khan a little.

It's not just the kid's chin either, I just use that to get a rise out of Khan apologists, I truly don't feel he's impressive enough physically to warrant this type of hype and praise.

Imperial1
06-17-2007, 09:42 PM
The same could be said for Diego "Chico" Corrales ..After his loss to Mayweather and his stint in prison he came back to capture the belts at 130 and give boxing fans by far one of the memorial fights in history !

achillesthegreat
06-18-2007, 07:52 AM
The same could be said for Diego "Chico" Corrales ..After his loss to Mayweather and his stint in prison he came back to capture the belts at 130 and give boxing fans by far one of the memorial fights in history !
Definitely. That loss looked like an expose but Chico took it on the chin and came back from it. So much so that he got into the P4P list.

achillesthegreat
06-18-2007, 07:53 AM
What has Khan looked like in recent outings. I haven't seen much since his early days, which wasn't overly impressive.
He hasn't really lost a round since he turned pro. In his next fight he is going for the second major belt in Britain - the Commonwealth.

achillesthegreat
06-18-2007, 07:55 AM
Malignaggi was praised for his loss though, it's quite different than the "exposed" stuff. Everyone was ready for Malignaggi to comeback and he has a good fanbase now.

Different from say a Jason Litzau complete joke, or a soon to be Amir Khan complete joke getting KTFO.
True but who knew if he could come back from the damage inflicted.

I'm not solely talking about guys getting 'exposed' and then coming back. I'm talking about coming back from a loss, full stop.

That's the major difference between old school and new school. New school are afraid to lose.

madpup
06-18-2007, 08:01 AM
Great post. Unfortunantly it is this kind of attitude that makes promoters protect their fighters from competitive fights and get them keep fightings tomato cans.

madpup
06-18-2007, 08:02 AM
Malignaggi was praised for his loss though, it's quite different than the "exposed" stuff. Everyone was ready for Malignaggi to comeback and he has a good fanbase now.

Different from say a Jason Litzau complete joke, or a soon to be Amir Khan complete joke getting KTFO.

You are a prime example of the kind of fan that the first post is talking about.

achillesthegreat
06-18-2007, 08:03 AM
You are a prime example of the kind of fan that the first post is talking about.
Yip.

China_hand_Joe
06-18-2007, 08:56 AM
I don't rate fighters who can even comprehend defeat. Paulie and Sugar Ray Robinson don't stand up to Calzaghe in that respect.

DamonD
06-18-2007, 08:58 AM
Another problem with the '0' is that it can make people look unfavourably on guys that really are doing well, as they suspect they're just a product of hype.

Decebal
06-18-2007, 09:00 AM
I don't rate fighters who can even comprehend defeat. Paulie and Sugar Ray Robinson don't stand up to Calzaghe in that respect.

:lol: but if one's limited imagination stops one from comprehending very much at all, and one still loses, that's OK, isn't it, China Joe?:roll:

Decebal
06-18-2007, 09:01 AM
Another problem with the '0' is that it can make people look unfavourably on guys that really are doing well, as they suspect they're just a product of hype.

good point!:good

China_hand_Joe
06-18-2007, 09:05 AM
but if one's limited imagination stops one from comprehending very much at all, and one still loses, that's OK, isn't it, China Joe?:roll:

In the case of Mayweather, Kessler or Hatton it may be a case of limited imagination.

In the case of Calzaghe, being unable to comprehend defeat, is an accurate assessment.

Decebal
06-18-2007, 09:15 AM
In the case of Mayweather, Kessler or Hatton it may be a case of limited imagination.

In the case of Calzaghe, being unable to comprehend defeat, is an accurate assessment.

:lol: ...well, that assessment will have to be reassessed if JC steps into the ring with Kessler...we wouldn't want him to take Kessler lightily, like he supposedly took Bika, now would we!

nervousxtian
06-18-2007, 09:18 AM
Not overly impressive is how he's looked with every step, and he has a grade A china chin that's just ready to be exposed, hopefully Limond musters up some strength and goes right for it, considering a guy with 0 KO's rocked Khan a little.

It's not just the kid's chin either, I just use that to get a rise out of Khan apologists, I truly don't feel he's impressive enough physically to warrant this type of hype and praise.

Hey dipshit, he's talking about you in the first post.

You just don't get it though.

China_hand_Joe
06-18-2007, 09:18 AM
:lol: ...well, that assessment will have to be reassessed if JC steps into the ring with Kessler...we wouldn't want him to take Kessler lightily, like he supposedly took Bika, now would we!

Strange you should mention Bika!

colinthfc
12-30-2010, 01:21 PM
Bump

BoxKing
12-30-2010, 01:27 PM
Holy Thread Resurrection Batman :o

Its amazing how the world changes in 3 years ;)

Finesse74
12-30-2010, 01:32 PM
I agree. I was great seeing Jason Litzau win. Its always to go to see a fighter you like even if they're flawed or whatever win a big fight out of nowhere. Hard work pays off...theres no feeling like it.