Should Povetkin be fighting Wladdy so soon???

[bumdujour]

I mean the guys last win was over an ancient larry donald.

now he is fighting a faded and lighthitting byrd.

after that it will be either brock or chambers............and then wlad??

i mean lets say he beats byrd and then chambers or brock.

those are good wins, but this wont prepare him one bit for wlad.

stylewise i think its a bad choice cause povetkins still a bit too easy to hit and wlads jab will give him MAJOR problems.

i´d rather like to see him fight ibragimov and if he wins, mature a bit more before going into the fight.

[Ambition_Def]

I see Povetkin getting inside and ripping Waldo with short uppercuts and hooks. And also that short compact right hand when Waldo tries to close the gap by grabbing like a sissy.

I pick Povetkin in an upset. :smoke

[unitas]

povetkin has the punch and the skills to get it on the target.

i think he will beat wlad.

[TheGrimReaper]

wlad would knock any heavyweight out

[unitas]

wlad got the skills the punch........but he is fragile like thin glass.

wlad can win, but i´d hold my breath every time povetkin attempts a punch.

[Odo]

I mean the guys last win was over an ancient larry donald.

now he is fighting a faded and lighthitting byrd.

after that it will be either brock or chambers............and then wlad??

i mean lets say he beats byrd and then chambers or brock.

those are good wins, but this wont prepare him one bit for wlad.

stylewise i think its a bad choice cause povetkins still a bit too easy to hit and wlads jab will give him MAJOR problems.

i´d rather like to see him fight ibragimov and if he wins, mature a bit more before going into the fight.

Povetkin is no inexperienced greenhorn but one of the most promising heavies out there.He was a superstar at the amateurs totally dominating his weight division overshadowing all his fellow heavies like Sam Peter,Calvin Brook,Jason Estrada,Sebastian Koeber,Paolo Vidoz,and so on.
Sultan Ibragimov? He couldnt and cant hold a candle to Povetkin.
I bet my house that he would teach Sultan a lesson in boxing .
However,there is bigger fish out there than Sultan Ibragimov who isnt really a huge draw even in Russia.
Povetkin has all the tools to beat Wlad,Valuev,or Chagaev.
Even at this early stage of his pro career I give him a good chance to defeat Wlad.
Povetkin looks as though butter would not melt in his mouth but he is a master inside a box ring and after some seconds with Povetkin in the same ring you for sure know that you are in hot water.

[Punisher33]

Wlads chin is the only real weakness he has, if Povetkin can get in and tap it good night Wlad, but thats a pretty big if.

[dragosuhail]

povetkin is truly an exceptional talent, and he did have an amazing amature run.

BUT wladimir is in his peak right now. and if anything wladimir's losses will make him far more dangerous experience wise, than the undefeated povetkin.

it looks nice seeing an upcoming tiger with many aspects to his game plus the aura of never been beaten or ko'ed but i think people read too much into losses and especially ko losses.

sometimes it just makes a fighter more determined. and wladimir i feel when truly focused is a nightmare to anyone they put in there.

[brooklyn1550]

I don't think so - it looks to be too early at the moment.

But if he has very impressive showings against Byrd, Brock/Chambers, he would be viewed as one of Wladimir's biggest threats. Time will tell...

[boxeo#1]

I have not yet analysed and over thought a match-up between wlad and povetkin, BUT what I do know is that I saw povetkin vs donald (first time I saw povetkin) and he didn't impress me AT ALL. He's no super talent, no way. In some rounds he had plenty of trouble against ''the legend'', just watch the fight.

I saw/see many posts and topics on how he is the heavyweights next best thing, etc. etc. Well he is just normal and nothing special in my eyes.

[Stinky gloves]

"Should Povetkin be fighting Wladdy so soon???"

How about: right after he win the 4-man tournament and become his mandatory?

[boxeo#1]

povetkin is truly an exceptional talent, and he did have an amazing amature run.

BUT wladimir is in his peak right now. and if anything wladimir's losses will make him far more dangerous experience wise, than the undefeated povetkin.

it looks nice seeing an upcoming tiger with many aspects to his game plus the aura of never been beaten or ko'ed but i think people read too much into losses and especially ko losses.

sometimes it just makes a fighter more determined. and wladimir i feel when truly focused is a nightmare to anyone they put in there.

What is so talented about him then? Can you try to convince me because I can't come up with anything that makes me think he is special.
Speed: normal/average
Power: Normal/average
Counter punching abilty: normal/ average

*note: point of vieuw based on the fight against larry donald who gave him plenty of diffculty.

I don't say he can't become a champion. But everybody can with the ''right'' management (Taylor for example) without even being a moster.

[Decker]

Most likely no. The truth about AP is somewhere in the middle of the lovers and haters views - as is usually the case. He seems to have lots of potential and is moving along quickly in his pro career.

[Ambition_Def]

What is so talented about him then? Can you try to convince me because I can't come up with anything that makes me think he is special.
Speed: normal/average
Power: Normal/average
Counter punching abilty: normal/ average

*note: point of vieuw based on the fight against larry donald who gave him plenty of diffculty.

I don't say he can't become a champion. But everybody can with the ''right'' management (Taylor for example) without even being a moster.

Larry Donald is a bad example. That man made a career of being non-confrontational. I used to think Bowe scared him in the press conference until some time later I saw more of Donald's fights. He fights scared all the time. It's really impossible to look good against him. Povetkin still won every round.

[OklahomaHoss]

Povetkin will really never be ready for Wlad.

But I would like to see Povetkin/Dimitrenko

[Ambition_Def]

Who says Povetkin's fighting Wlad? I just checked boxrec and theres nothing about it there.

Link to your source of info?

Povetkin is one of four in IBF's title eliminator.

He faces Byrd, and the other bracket is Brock vs Chambers.

The two semi-finalists will square off for a shot at Waldo. I'm picking Povetkin to take the tourney.

[Zakman]

Povetkin, it seems to me, is really being rushed along. If he beats Byrd, that certainly argues for his moving into the lower levels of the top ten - but manadatory?? Jeez, he's too green for that. Needs another fight or two against a seasoned contender.

[SteveO]

Lets see how he does.

[dragosuhail]

i don't think povetkin despite being a great fighter on the rise, has the tools to beat wladimir now or later.

and another thing. if he beats bryd and brock there is no garantee that he will immediately step into the ring with wlad straight away. wlad will fight him at any time, but perhaps the povetkin managers wont be that eager to put him in.

i would not be surprised if povetkin (against his personal desire) is put into a couple of stay busy fights. just to give him a little more experience at the top level, and of course, the managers will be praying someone ko's wladimir or he retires all of a sudden.

figthers are warriors. to get that far in this hard sport you have to believe you stand a great chance of winning any match. managers however are a totally different beast altogether. they will not have that fighters desire and mindset. to them it's all about how much money and success they can milk out of their fighter.

they could be totally dumb like maskaev's original team, and pitch him to the wolves at the first chance but i doubt it. remember how maskaev's team put oleg in with mccall who had ko'ed lewis? in his 6TH PRO FIGHT!? who does crap like that?

pavlik is a good example of a firm but realistic climb in competition. so when he reached taylor he was comfortable in there. or maybe it's just his laid back crazy desire to enjoy getting bashed up lol.

but yeah, dont be surprised if povetkin's managers find ways to delay their shot while sitting on the no1. mandatory position. i could see povetkin taking up to 3 fights after winning this tourney before being allowed to fight wladimir.

[Ambition_Def]

Remember everyone thought Vargas was being rushed too soon against Trinidad. Likely he was, but don't forget that Vargas gave a prime Trinidad all he could handle.

When your team believes in you that much to manuver you into a title shot that soon, it says alot. The kid is seriously skilled.

but yeah, dont be surprised if povetkin's managers find ways to delay their shot while sitting on the no1. mandatory position. i could see povetkin taking up to 3 fights after winning this tourney before being allowed to fight wladimir.

Not likely. They will be taking on Byrd, and then the winner of Brock/Chambers. That to me seems like perfect timing to go right at the IBF champion. I don't see them stopping one iota. Get the fight while you are hot!

[Musashi]

Personally, I think people are overlooking Byrd. I give Chris a good chance of scoring the upset.

Having said that, if Povetkin does beat Byrd, and then get by Chambers or Brock, then he will deserve his shot. Byrd is still crafty and tough, and Brock is very solid in all aspects of the game (just not great in any one area). And Chambers reminds me of a young Byrd.

Then again, deserving or not, I think Wlad right now (or next year) blows away Povetkin in 7 or 8 rounds. Povetkin isn't on the same level yet, if ever.

Wlad should fight Peter or Chagaev, in my opinion.

[El Bombasto]

Wlad will murder him, I think his management probably knows this, but he's young and fighting the best will only make him better in the long-run. It's nice to see a talented fighter who's not overly concerned with preserving his "0"

[Langford]

Donald is an impressive win, especially for someone with 12 fights. Bango & Ahunyana are impressive too considering Povetkin only had six/seven fights then. The rest of his opponents are better than most of the filler that almost all heavyweights fight to build up big win records. When he steps down, he blows out the other guy so no sense in fighting that caliber opponent unless you want a puffed up record...which is not something that Povetkins team seems to want.

I think he won every round against Donald, really good considering I think that Donald vs. Valuev was pretty damn close.
He will do the same to Byrd and if Byrd opens up, Povetkin will take him out.
He beat Donald and Byrd not long after Valuev and Wlad beat them. So his opposition isn't different than what these beltholders were facing right before they won the belts.

If Povetkin beats Byrd and Brock, thats two of Wlads most recent opponents right there. The other fighters that Wlad has faced have not been somebody that I would anticipate Pov having any trouble with (Austin, Brewster II). Exception being Sam Peter.

Povetkin has signed a three year contract with Sauerland Promotions. Which started in summer of 2005, so that might have a reason why I think he fights Wlad no later than summer of 2008.

Wlad vs. Povetkin will be a great fight. The fight of the year. I am already looking forward to it.

[EpsilonAxis]

Not at all. Pure suicide at this point. He needs to fight a puncher first. Someone like Maskaev would be good beforehand.

[CHEF]

I see Povetkin getting inside and ripping Waldo with short uppercuts and hooks. And also that short compact right hand when Waldo tries to close the gap by grabbing like a sissy.

I pick Povetkin in an upset. :smoke

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[RUSKULL]

I see Povetkin getting inside and ripping Waldo with short uppercuts and hooks. And also that short compact right hand when Waldo tries to close the gap by grabbing like a sissy.

I pick Povetkin in an upset. :smoke

Sure you do............................but would you bet on it?

[CHEF]

I see Povetkin getting inside and ripping Waldo with short uppercuts and hooks. And also that short compact right hand when Waldo tries to close the gap by grabbing like a sissy.

I pick Povetkin in an upset. :smoke

Funny how everyone says all they have to do is "get inside Wlad" they all try and they all fail

[Ambition_Def]

Sure you do............................but would you bet on it?

I don't ever bet on fights. Alot of times something completely illogical happens. It isn't worth it.

But as usual, I will be around if I am wrong. :yep I don't disappear.

[Ambition_Def]

Funny how everyone says all they have to do is "get inside Wlad" they all try and they all fail

Hardly.

Sanders KO2 Waldo

Purrity KO11 Waldo

Brewster KO5 Waldo

Those guys didn't try and get inside right? :rofl

[Decker]

C'mon AD
Hardly.

Sanders KO2 Waldo Sanders didn't exactly need to go chest to chest or dance cheek to cheek with Wlad :D He landed some quick shots early that hurt Wlad. Sanders can crack if he can do anything.

Purrity KO11 Waldo Wlad was way over trained and light at 225lb. And like Peter he really was young then - with lots of potential :lol:

Brewster KO5 Waldo I've seen 1000s of fights - that was was one of the strangest I've ever seen. Take or leave the theories - bad food, blood sugar levels, poison, panic attack, yadda yadda... very weird bout. Anyway Wlad decisively avenged the Brew loss :good

Those guys didn't try and get inside right? :roflOthers have too - with not much success :yep Not sure what Austin was trying to do, he folded up like a lawn chair.

[Caliboxing]

Chris Byrd will be a step up in class for Povetkin and there's no guarantee he'll beat Byrd, but if he wins the tournament I would say he's ready for Wladdy.

[Butch Coolidge]

Hardly.

Sanders KO2 Waldo

Purrity KO11 Waldo

Brewster KO5 Waldo

Those guys didn't try and get inside right? :rofl

Sanders is the only one of the three who was really succesful. Purrity and Brewster were just lucky that KLitschko punched himself out while they still had enough starch in their legs to win. If Sanders was still around his prime age it would be very interesting but as it is Wlad haters are going to have a tough go for a while.

I don't think that Povetkin has the kind of explosive KO power to defeat WK. Maybe he could weather a bad storm and Klitschko will run out of energy but given Klitschko is an experienced veteran of that type of thing now I wouldn't hitch my wagon to that thought.

[madpup]

What is so talented about him then? Can you try to convince me because I can't come up with anything that makes me think he is special.
Speed: normal/average
Power: Normal/average
Counter punching abilty: normal/ average

*note: point of vieuw based on the fight against larry donald who gave him plenty of diffculty.

I don't say he can't become a champion. But everybody can with the ''right'' management (Taylor for example) without even being a moster.

It is not any one particular attribute that makes Povetkin special, but I think how these attributes combine together. His ability to put together highly accurate and fast combinations from all angles is very rarelly seen in a heavyweight.

I do thought think that Povetkin does not have the punch power to trouble Wlad. On top of that Povetkin does not have watertight defence, I can see Wlad landing some huge bombs somewhere in the midrounds to force a stoppage.

[Odo]

Hardly.

Sanders KO2 Waldo

Purrity KO11 Waldo

Brewster KO5 Waldo

Those guys didn't try and get inside right? :rofl

Puritty ko 11 Wlad???????

Puritty was a living punching bag,nothing more.He took one brutal shot after another round after round.Yes,Puritty has a good chin,but he didnt do anything to win that fight then in Ukraine's capital Kiev.Wlad just ran out of gas due to overpacing and inexperience.
As said Puritty was nothing more than a living punching bag.
He didnt land a single telling punch within the first 8-9 rounds.

[Ivo]

If Povetkin wins the tournament, he should fight Wladimir. However, I do not think Povetkin can win against Wladimir.

[The Kurgan]

Puritty ko 11 Wlad???????

Puritty was a living punching bag,nothing more.He took one brutal shot after another round after round.Yes,Puritty has a good chin,but he didnt do anything to win that fight then in Ukraine's capital Kiev.Wlad just ran out of gas due to overpacing and inexperience.
As said Puritty was nothing more than a living punching bag.
He didnt land a single telling punch within the first 8-9 rounds.

So Wlad did a "Zelenoff" and got knocked out by a punch bag? That's pretty harsh. In fact, to say Wlad lost to a living punching bag is hating.

[Odo]

So Wlad did a "Zelenoff" and got knocked out by a punch bag? That's pretty harsh. In fact, to say Wlad lost to a living punching bag is hating.

Hating? No, I neither hate Wlad nor Puritty.

Puritty is a game fighter who has shared the ring with the who is who of the big boys' league.
And as for Wlad he is the undisputed nr.1 at present!

Well,unfortunetely,Puritty was nothing more than a living punching bag against Wlad.Yes,a very courageous one,but he didnt offer any resistance within the first 9 rounds.Nothing at all.He took countless good shots-probably more than a fighter should take in a single fight.Puritty has a great chin.Nevertheless their encounter was a very one-sided fight.
Wlad was punching,and Ross was the target,a punching bag.
Due to overpacing and trying too hard to impress his hometown fans Wlad ran out of gas in the last few rounds.Up to that point he had dominated every second of his encounter with Puritty.
Puritty didnt defeat Wlad,or knock him out.No,Wlad beat himself that day due to his inexperience and eagerness to showcase his skills in front of his Ukranian fans.

[Dorfmeister]

The first question should be if Sasha should be fighting Chris Byrd so soon overseas but if he's in there to succeed then, the two eliminators on a row may get him physically and mentally prepared, pumped up for Wlad yes.

[The Kurgan]

Hating? No, I neither hate Wlad nor Puritty.

Puritty is a game fighter who has shared the ring with the who is who of the big boys' league.
And as for Wlad he is the undisputed nr.1 at present!

Well,unfortunetely,Puritty was nothing more than a living punching bag against Wlad.Yes,a very courageous one,but he didnt offer any resistance within the first 9 rounds.Nothing at all.He took countless good shots-probably more than a fighter should take in a single fight.Puritty has a great chin.Nevertheless their encounter was a very one-sided fight.
Wlad was punching,and Ross was the target,a punching bag.
Due to overpacing and trying too hard to impress his hometown fans Wlad ran out of gas in the last few rounds.Up to that point he had dominated every second of his encounter with Puritty.
Puritty didnt defeat Wlad,or knock him out.No,Wlad beat himself that day due to his inexperience and eagerness to showcase his skills in front of his Ukranian fans.

The punching bag didn't beat Zelenoff either.

[madpup]

Is there a video anywhere of the purrity fight?

*edit*

I googled and klitschko.com came up...could there be a bigger nuthugging site out there? I swear I saw a picture flash by of Wlad and Vitali with their cocks hanging out and people sucking them....

About 90% of your posts are about the Klitschkos. Now are you going on their website and having disturbing visions of people sucking their cocks. Your obsession with the Klitschkos is very creepy, seek some help before its too late.

[Superheavyweight]

Russia > Ukraine

[Odo]

Russia > Ukraine

I guess that most fight fans outside Russia would root for Wlad against Povetkin.
Wlad has charisma,is leakable,a household name in a lot of countries,and a good sense of humour.
Povetkin looks as though butter would not melt in his mouth.He doesnt have a fighter's face,and neither is he the most fascinating personality out there.Quite the opposite whenever interviewed he gives the impression of being a very dull human being.

[emanuel_augustus]

"Should Povetkin be fighting Wladdy so soon???"

Well, he's not fighting him so soon. If he gets by Byrd and then say, Brock, those are two solid wins over proven top level heavyweights and fights in which Povetkin will gain a world of experience.

You have to figure that a Povetkin/Wlad fight won't come off for at least another year or more, at which time AP will be 29 years old, 15 or 16 and 0, and ready to step up to a title shot.

It doesn't serve a lot of purpose for him to fight 10 or 15 tomato cans to puff his record up to 30-0 with not a lot of top experience. With his amateur background, the way his team is moving now is just about perfect.

[Brickhaus]

those are good wins, but this wont prepare him one bit for wlad.

stylewise i think its a bad choice cause povetkins still a bit too easy to hit and wlads jab will give him MAJOR problems.

i´d rather like to see him fight ibragimov and if he wins, mature a bit more before going into the fight.

What exactly WOULD prepare him for Wlad? Nothing could - there's no other fighter like Wlad out there. Right now, there are only two serious questions about Povetkin - his chin and his stamina. His boxing style is what it is, and no amount of further preparation could help him out there. If his chin isn't what it's made out to be (correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he's never been down as a pro or an amateur), then he might as well lose to Wlad instead of someone like Virchis, because at least people will still think highly of him if he loses to Wlad, and he'll still get a big payday. Also, the additional exposure due to fighting Wlad would be valuable to his career, even if he gets KTFOed. As for stamina, he's fought for long enough that he knows how to train and how not to get gassed. 12 round fights against Byrd and Brock should be more than enough to prepare him on that front.

I don't think Povetkin beats Wlad even if he waits a couple more years, because his boxing isn't going to improve that much, his chin is what it is, and he'll have the stamina by the time he gets there. Stylistically, Wlad just isn't a good matchup for Sasha, and he isn't a good style matchup for most other fighters who are boxers more than punchers either. If Povetkin can somehow stay on the inside and take punishment to dish it out, he might have a shot, but best I can tell, that's not Sasha's style either. Otherwise, nobody else has a jab like Wlad, and there's little he'll be able to do to prepare for that jab, no matter what. He'll need a solid chin and a hugh pain threshhold to win, and neither of those would improve by fighting 5 or even 20 more guys before he fights Wlad.

[Asterion]

If he wins the tournament and beats Byrd and then Chambers/Brock, I think he should take one more contender to prove himself before fighting Wlad.