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Punisher33

10-11-2007, 04:34 PM

I know everybody wants talk shit about Peter because he got knocked down 3 times and wasnt able to knockout a top 20 guy like Mccline, yet no one will give Sam any praise for being able to get through that tough 3rd round and eventually beat Mccline. Peter was able to effectively box his way to victory and go the body quite effectively, which helped him to tire Mccline even more as the championship rounds approached. Maybe Sam Peters power and chin were a little overrated, but that still doesnt take away from the fact he could still give any heavywieght trouble and comback and win in a tough fight.

brooklyn1550

10-11-2007, 04:37 PM

Anybody who has a problem with him...you deal with me...because he's not well right now:|

Punisher33

10-11-2007, 04:42 PM

Is this going to be like the Chris Crocker-Brittany Spears case? an upset, enraged fan insulted by the criticism their idol gets. :yep Peter is tough guy and he proved it against Mccline, if Peter would of known his oppenent earlier he would of been better prepared, he would of been working with sparring partners that were around 6'6 not 6'2.

Luigi1985

10-11-2007, 04:42 PM

Anybody who has a problem with him...you deal with me...because he's not well right now:|

:rofl

unitas

10-11-2007, 04:45 PM

all the people calling him "C-level chin" or "fatass"..........i´d really like to see them say that to his face...

carnage baby!!!!!!!!!!

Punisher33

10-11-2007, 04:49 PM

He's not being criticized from the Mcline fight alone, but many fans I know were never on the bandwagon in the first place because there's nothing special about the guy. All he has going for him is his brute strength but power means nothing when you can't used them affectively. Most of his knockdowns come from rabbit punches. When's the last time he landed a flush shot to someone's face??? hardly ever...

He's crude, doesn't know how to punch properly, and fights without a plan...

Sam Peter is a B level.. No boxer is perfect, Wlad has a blarring weakness too, anytime he gets hit with a hard punch he has a panic attack and starts clinching. I understand Peter has to work on a few things, but hes still young and will rebound from this better than ever.

brooklyn1550

10-11-2007, 04:50 PM

I think Peter will get better from this experience...he's a top tier fighter in the heavyweight division despite what some may say

Boom_Boom

10-11-2007, 04:51 PM

this reminds me of that Chris Crokcer leave britney alone video

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Does Sam Peter love his Aunt too?

brooklyn1550

10-11-2007, 04:53 PM

Does Sam Peter love his Aunt too?
:rofl
Peter does love his aunt...and he went through a divorce as well

marting

10-11-2007, 04:58 PM

I give Peter credit for getting up and toughing out a victory but let's be real here. McCline was gassed after the third round and did almost nothing from then on.

If McCline was a better finisher or had better stamina he may have very well finished Peter.

Jorodz

10-11-2007, 05:12 PM

The whole issue stems from Peter being overrated in the first place. If he were put in proper perspective, this victory would have more meaning and be a better indication of his heart and place in the heavyweight mix. Without the hype, getting up from three knockdowns and thoroughly outboxing an opponent would be a huge achievement (marquez vs. pacman anyone) but since people was supposed to be the next foreman/tyson/liston, it looks sloppy and pathetic. seriously, this was a good victory for the REAL peter and an eye opener only for the HYPE peter

Stinky gloves

10-11-2007, 05:14 PM

Leave him alone, he isn't hype anymore!
Don't put him against Wald again he stands no chance at all!

Punisher33

10-11-2007, 05:17 PM

Leave him alone, he isn't hype anymore!
Don't put him against Wald again he stands no chance at all! Anybody with an above average power and chin could beat Wlad, Im not saying they will, but a guy like Peter does have decent chance of beating Wlad.

Decker

10-11-2007, 05:21 PM

No boxer is perfect, True Wlad has a blarring :huh also glaring weakness too, anytime he gets hit with a hard punch he has a panic attack and starts clinching. Amazing, he's like most other fighters, except stupid ones that try the I wasn't hurt act - and often end up getting hurt even worse. Ali clinched a lot when he was tagged too - must have been having a panic attack :lol: I understand Peter has to work on a few things, but hes still young and will rebound from this better than ever.For how long will Peter be young? 30, 35? And not sure why but many posters are saying he's shorting his age. That he's already 30ish. Sure Peter might rebound as you say, but his stock has dropped with many posters.

Punisher33

10-11-2007, 05:26 PM

For how long will Peter be young? 30, 35? And not sure why but many posters are saying he's shorting his age. That he's already 30ish. Sure Peter might rebound as you say, but his stock has dropped with many posters. His stock dropped a little in my mind as well, I just feel everybodys entitled to one bad night, a night he was still able to comeback and gain a victory. I think will have a better idea of were Peter stands after his next fight, when hes better prepared.

Punisher33

10-11-2007, 05:29 PM

Anybody COULD beat anybody on any given day/night anywhere - what's your point?! Peter has a puncher's chance, not much more. And now that Wlad is just entering his prime, is more confident than he's ever been, and has "figured Peter out" he will fuck the dude up if they fight again... I think he probably would beat Peter 7 times out of 10, Im hoping Peter could imply some of his rough house tactics in his attack against Wlad. Wlad has not been tested in 2 years, so who knows how he will react against getting hit by a fighter with power again.

Stinky gloves

10-11-2007, 05:33 PM

Anybody with an above average power and chin could beat Wlad, Im not saying they will, but a guy like Peter does have decent chance of beating Wlad.

But he already proved he couldn't really hurt Wald for 12 rounds and one
more round and he would be finished. Not mention he was outboxed clarly.
Maybe he should fight Wlad for say ... 150 rounds and then we will know for
sure if he is going to knock him out ... say maybe between 70 and 100 round?

Punisher33

10-11-2007, 05:38 PM

But he already proved he couldn't really hurt Wald for 12 rounds and one
more round and he would be finished. Not mention he was outboxed clarly.
Maybe he should fight Wlad for say ... 150 rounds and then we will know for
sure if he is going to knock him out ... say maybe between 70 and 100 round? I have watched the Peter/Wlad fight at 10-15 times already and its clear to see Wlad was a hurt by Peter a couple times in the match, Peter being 25 at the time seemed to smother his punches instead setting himself up to throw effective punches. Wlads clinching helped him to come away with a tough victory, I give Manny more credit than I do Wlad.

Ambition_Def

10-11-2007, 05:40 PM

Lets put it this way.

Corrie Sanders shocked the world when he dispatched of Waldo, knocking him to the canvas three times in one round to score the TKO.

Lennox Lewis was also dispatched in brutal fashion by 14-1 underdog Hasim Rahman, a man just like McCline, who was thought to be "done".

Jameel McCline, another longshot, drops Sam Peter 3 times but can't finish him. Sam still wins despite taking several hard brutal shots.

If people still believed in Lewis, and still believe in Waldo, then they have some serious splainin to do in regards to losing faith in Sam Peter. :smoke

Decker

10-11-2007, 05:51 PM

I have watched the Peter/Wlad fight at 10-15 times already and its clear to see Wlad was a hurt by Peter a couple times in the match, Peter being 25 at the time seemed to smother his punches instead setting himself up to throw effective punches. Wlads clinching helped him to come away with a tough victory, I give Manny more credit than I do Wlad.:lol: I give Wlad more credit than Manny. It was Wlad fighting Peter for 3 minutes a round, Manny worked the corner for 1 minute between rounds :yep

Never ceases to amaze me how many times Wlad critcs or haters :| bring up clinching - as if he invented it :roll: Fighters from Jack Johnson (yeah it was different then, blah blah) to Ali were clinch masters. It's like one poster said in a thread some time ago, the Wlad haters just want him to stick his chin out there and say "hit me". I understand some posters want him to lose asap (and the reasons why), but he isn't going to make it that easy.

1-Ton

10-11-2007, 05:54 PM

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Leave Sam Peter alone!

SteveO

10-11-2007, 05:58 PM

all the people calling him "C-level chin" or "fatass"..........i´d really like to see them say that to his face...

carnage baby!!!!!!!!!!

That's the beauty of being a sports fan. Fat dudes and people who can't perform (myself included) criticizing the top talent.

Punisher33

10-11-2007, 05:59 PM

:lol: I give Wlad more credit than Manny. It was Wlad fighting Peter for 3 minutes a round, Manny worked the corner for 1 minute between rounds :yep

Never ceases to amaze me how many times Wlad critcs or haters :| bring up clinching - as if he invented it :roll: Fighters from Jack Johnson (yeah it was different then, blah blah) to Ali were clinch masters. It's like one poster said in a thread some time ago, the Wlad haters just want him to stick his chin out there and say "hit me". I understand some posters want him to lose asap (and the reasons why), but he isn't going to make it that easy. It was Manny that taught Wlad to clinch when he gets hurt, I completely understand Wlads the one in there fighting. Wlad is an amazing fighter, but he can be beat just like anyone else and his chin is weak spot.

Decker

10-11-2007, 05:59 PM

... If people still believed in Lewis, and still believe in Waldo, then they have some serious splainin to do in regards to losing faith in Sam Peter. :smokeLets put it this way, Lucy, Ethel, and Fred would be Wlad fans - not sure about Ricardo :lol: :rofl

Ambition_Def

10-11-2007, 06:05 PM

Lets put it this way, Lucy, Ethel, and Fred would be Wlad fans - not sure about Ricardo :lol: :rofl

:lol:

Ricardo would be then only guy in the house rooting for a Ruiz comeback.

Anyways Sam is a good kid, which is why I have a ton of respect for him. And he does pretty damn good for a guy who had a crap amateur career.

Decker

10-11-2007, 06:12 PM

:lol:
Ricardo would be then only guy in the house rooting for a Ruiz comeback. :yep I was going to mention RR going for Ruiz too, but let it go. But you followed up with it :lol:

Zakman

10-11-2007, 06:20 PM

Anybody who has a problem with him...you deal with me...because he's not well right now:|

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

I KNEW that was coming!! :lol: Well done! :good

Punisher33

10-11-2007, 06:33 PM

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

I KNEW that was coming!! :lol: Well done! :good I meant it to sound like that, I just hate how people knock someone for one bad fight, that Peter showed heart to come back and win.

Zakman

10-11-2007, 07:05 PM

I meant it to sound like that, I just hate how people knock someone for one bad fight, that Peter showed heart to come back and win.
Oh, that was pretty clear. Which is why it took only ONE POST for someone to throw that in! :lol:

For what it's worth, I agree with the premise - people are jumping on the anti-Peter bandwagon WAY too quick off this performance. But this is VERY common among boxing fans. Boxing is very much a "what have you done for me lately" sport.

1-Ton

10-11-2007, 07:08 PM

Oh, that was pretty clear. Which is why it took only ONE POST for someone to throw that in! :lol:

For what it's worth, I agree with the premise - people are jumping on the anti-Peter bandwagon WAY too quick off this performance. But this is VERY common among boxing fans. Boxing is very much a "what have you done for me lately" sport.

I've always felt Peter was overrated, especially after beating the even more overrated James Toney. I'm just happy to see him get exposed, and see people getting off the bandwagon.

CHEF

10-11-2007, 07:19 PM

Punisher33

10-11-2007, 07:23 PM

Oh, that was pretty clear. Which is why it took only ONE POST for someone to throw that in! :lol:

For what it's worth, I agree with the premise - people are jumping on the anti-Peter bandwagon WAY too quick off this performance. But this is VERY common among boxing fans. Boxing is very much a "what have you done for me lately" sport. When he knocks Maskaev out in less than 6 rounds, he will be back on top again Im sure. Peter just needs to show the type of power and rage he had on his way up through the heavywieght ladder, he will prove that he still posses all these skills in his next fight .

CHEF

10-11-2007, 07:29 PM

audio101

10-11-2007, 07:30 PM

I wont leave him alone until he's gone from this shitty heavyweight division!

CHEF

10-11-2007, 07:33 PM

Oh, that was pretty clear. Which is why it took only ONE POST for someone to throw that in! :lol:

For what it's worth, I agree with the premise - people are jumping on the anti-Peter bandwagon WAY too quick off this performance. But this is VERY common among boxing fans. Boxing is very much a "what have you done for me lately" sport.

I don't think it is unjustified. The Peter nuthuggers were ALL saying Peter by KO and KO early. Alot of us have been saying since day 1 that while peter is good....he is over rated. He is a good "B" level fighter. I am sick of hearing "he is still learning...He will get better" excusses excusses ecusses

Punisher33

10-11-2007, 07:36 PM

Im so sick of this crap:twisted:
Peter knocks Wlad down 3 times Wlad gets up and wins by UD and all the haters say Wlad has no chin, no balls, no heart, ect....

McCline knocks Peter down 3 times. Peter gets up and wins by UD and all the Wlad haters say..."Peter has the heart of a champion for getting up and winning"

Double standard bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!! I gave Wlad credit when he prevaled 2 years ago against Peter, but before that Wlad had a history of being knocked down very easily and Wlad wasnt known for having solid chin, when Peter was knocked down 3 times it came more as shock to people because Peter proved he had a strong chin before hand.

1-Ton

10-11-2007, 07:36 PM

Im so sick of this crap:twisted:
Peter knocks Wlad down 3 times Wlad gets up and wins by UD and all the haters say Wlad has no chin, no balls, no heart, ect....

McCline knocks Peter down 3 times. Peter gets up and wins by UD and all the Wlad haters say..."Peter has the heart of a champion for getting up and winning"

Double standard bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, but outside of the KD's, Wlad dominated that fight. Can you honestly say that Peter dominated McCline in the other rounds?

CHEF

10-11-2007, 07:41 PM

Yes, but outside of the KD's, Wlad dominated that fight. Can you honestly say that Peter dominated McCline in the other rounds?

Thats my point. Wlad gets very little credit from some for getting up and winning , yet Peter showed heart....what a joke

I hope they fight again.....Wlad by KO inside 7

brooklyn1550

10-11-2007, 07:41 PM

Can we all agree that both Peter and Klitschko have big hearts?

El Bombasto

10-11-2007, 07:41 PM

CHEF

10-11-2007, 07:42 PM

Can we all agree that both Peter and Klitschko have big hearts?

:good :good

Zakman

10-11-2007, 07:44 PM

When he knocks Maskaev out in less than 6 rounds, he will be back on top again Im sure. Peter just needs to show the type of power and rage he had on his way up through the heavywieght ladder, he will prove that he still posses all these skills in his next fight .

Indeed. If Peter - as I expect - blows away Maskaev, the dominant view on him will change yet again.

Alot of these critics forget he is still young, and has plenty of time to prove himself and become the exciting, dominant champ many of thought he would be.

brooklyn1550

10-11-2007, 07:44 PM

:good :good

Cool....anybody who says one has heart, but the other doesn't is obviously kidding themselves.

Punisher33

10-11-2007, 07:55 PM

Indeed. If Peter - as I expect - blows away Maskaev, the dominant view on him will change yet again.

Alot of these critics forget he is still young, and has plenty of time to prove himself and become the exciting, dominant champ many of thought he would be. When Peter does put Maskaev in a coma sometime between 1 and 6 round, you will see how many people will jump back on the bandwagon that seems to have more than enough room after the Mccline fight.:yep

Heavyrighthand

10-11-2007, 08:01 PM

Is this going to be like the Chris Crocker-Brittany Spears case? an upset, enraged fan insulted by the criticism their idol gets. :yep

:lol:

That's what I was expecting when I clicked on this thread;

Some feminine goofball with a video on Youtube crying Leave Sam ALONE!!

:lol:

Ambition_Def

10-11-2007, 08:05 PM

Can we all agree that both Peter and Klitschko have big hearts?

That's something I would never argue against.

My only real beef with Waldo is that he turned to Steward post-Sanders. I was so against that move it burned me inside to know he was doing it. He literally went from Wladimir to Waldo in 2 fights.

He does have heart, but that style is atrocious and a CHEAT.

platnumpapi

10-11-2007, 08:05 PM

man fuck sam peter he aint the truth

Punisher33

10-11-2007, 08:13 PM

:lol:

That's what I was expecting when I clicked on this thread;

Some feminine goofball with a video on Youtube crying Leave Sam ALONE!!

:lol: Im not that big of a fan of Peter, it would be funny seeing someone do a "leave Sam Peter alone" you tube bit.

El Bombasto

10-11-2007, 08:26 PM

if sam peter is as good you his fans say he is, and destined to ko klitschko and dominate the heavyweight division, why does he need a bunch of whiney biatches to defend him? if he's so good, his next fight will make up for this poor showing, and his talent will eventually shine through.

Heavyrighthand

10-11-2007, 08:43 PM

Im not that big of a fan of Peter, it would be funny seeing someone do a "leave Sam Peter alone" you tube bit.

:lol:

Yes, it's be hilarious, if they dress up like that fag with the makeup and the sheet held up behind, and all./ :lol:

CHEF

10-11-2007, 08:47 PM

Cool....anybody who says one has heart, but the other doesn't is obviously kidding themselves.

I totally agree.

brooklyn1550

10-11-2007, 08:49 PM

:lol:

Yes, it's be hilarious, if they dress up like that fag with the makeup and the sheet held up behind, and all./ :lol:

:rofl "He's a human being!...leave Sam Peter alone!"

CHEF

10-11-2007, 08:49 PM

That's something I would never argue against.

My only real beef with Waldo is that he turned to Steward post-Sanders. I was so against that move it burned me inside to know he was doing it. He literally went from Wladimir to Waldo in 2 fights.

He does have heart, but that style is atrocious and a CHEAT.

:huh

RUSKULL

10-11-2007, 08:55 PM

When he knocks Maskaev out in less than 6 rounds, he will be back on top again Im sure. Peter just needs to show the type of power and rage he had on his way up through the heavywieght ladder, he will prove that he still posses all these skills in his next fight .

I hear what you're saying but that "power & rage" that he showed earlier in his career was against some very weak competition. As soon as he stepped up to the upper tier he didn't look so special.

Questions: Did you concider Peter the number 2 HW before his fight with McCline? Where do you rank him now?

He very well may KO Oleg, although I doubt it, but where would you rank him if he does?

tays001

10-11-2007, 08:59 PM

"No body can match my power" [quote by sam peter]

mcclines response "boop ,backa, bink":!:

Punisher33

10-11-2007, 09:06 PM

I hear what you're saying but that "power & rage" that he showed earlier in his career was against some very weak competition. As soon as he stepped up to the upper tier he didn't look so special.

Questions: Did you concider Peter the number 2 HW before his fight with McCline? Where do you rank him now?

He very well may KO Oleg, although I doubt it, but where would you rank him if he does? I agree most of the power showed by Peter were against C and D oppenents, he also showed glimpses of it against Wlad 2 years ago.

As far as your other question goes, I ranked Peter at barely 2 before the Mccline fight and now at a sound 3 after the fight. I like Chagaev and now he is 2 in my rankings, if Peter destroys Maskaev in a couple months he goes back to 2, because you got to fight to earn the higher ranking.

Scar

10-11-2007, 10:17 PM

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Leave Sam Peter alone!

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Punisher33

10-11-2007, 10:33 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Wow that guy looks gay as fuck, he looks like that one killer from "silence of the lambs".:yep

Zakman

10-12-2007, 12:07 AM

When Peter does put Maskaev in a coma sometime between 1 and 6 round, you will see how many people will jump back on the bandwagon that seems to have more than enough room after the Mccline fight.:yep

No doubt. There will be yet another shift in how Peter is regarded - seems like there's already been several. There is nothing like a brutal KO to get a fighter regarded more positively. Some of us have rooted him on through all the ups and downs!

GO Peter!!!:happy:happy

RUSKULL

10-12-2007, 02:21 PM

Wow that guy looks gay as fuck, he looks like that one killer from "silence of the lambs".:yepI thought it was an ugly girl.................:huh

Punisher33

10-12-2007, 02:28 PM

I thought it was an ugly girl.................:huh I think its a gay guy, he obviously has more problems than even Britney Spears herself.

I got Peter at 3 now, do you think thats a fair assessment?