Best middleweight prospect right now???

[unitas]

Who is it??

To me there is only Gennady Golovkin......no one close behind him imo.

[Boom_Boom]

Andy Lee and its no contest

[brooklyn1550]

Andy Lee

[kg0208]

Andy Lee and its no contest
Agreed

[Luigi1985]

Clearly Golovkin.

[unitas]

ANDY LEE?????

against golovkin he looks like sarah lee!!!

[LFC]

Golovkin.

[Fab2333]

Mr. Lee hands down

[Luigi1985]

Most of you here probably never saw Golovkin yet, Lee isn´t twice the fighter Golovkin is...

[unitas]

Most of you here probably never saw Golovkin yet, Lee isn´t twice the fighter Golovkin is...

yes, thats what im thinking. golovkin is a killer, could beat a guy like sylvester right now imo.

[Luigi1985]

yes, thats what im thinking. golovkin is a killer, could beat a guy like sylvester right now imo.



:thumbsup

[iceman]

It has to be Andy Lee.The kid can box and punch.If he has a decent chin he will compete with the best.
Others worth mentioning are Peter Quillin,Tyrone Brunson and Joe Green

[unitas]

It has to be Andy Lee.The kid can box and punch.If he has a decent chin he will compete with the best.
Others worth mentioning are Peter Quillin,Tyrone Brunson and Joe Green

you have obviously not seen golovkin. lee would be in WAY over his head.:yep

[Tom_Tocca]

Who is it??

To me there is only Gennady Golovkin......no one close behind him imo.

Agreed, Golovkin is a good technician and has a relentless punching style - though he has to work on his defence and stamina, but hey, he's still a prospect and has fought by far the better competition to Lee's resume...

Btw, Golovkin KOed Lucian Bute in the amateurs...

[NBT]

Those who know Golovkin know that he is better than Andy Lee, end of story. Only Americans who have no clue about Golovkin would rate Lee above him. BTW he has already beaten Lee in the amateurs, he holds a knockout win over Lucian Bute as well.

[boxfan99]

Have to say Gennady Golovkin, the man that KO'ed Bute in the amateurs.

[unitas]

Agreed, Golovkin is a good technician and has a relentless punching style - though he has to work on his defence and stamina, but hey, he's still a prospect and has fought by far the better competition to Lee's resume...

Btw, Golovkin KOed Lucian Bute in the amateurs...

i remember seeing golovkin vs that russian sergej khomitsky!

now khomitsky gave the very talented world class fighter khoren gevor a very tough competative fight over 12 rounds not long ago.

then novice golovkin beats him by tko.

and indeed he ko´d bute. with a single blow!!!!

[Motor City Sam]

Of the guys I have seen I have to say Mean Joe Green and Andy Lee. I haven't seen Golovkin, so I have no opinion. If he's better than Lee and Green, he must be something.

[unitas]

Golovkin hasn't left Germany yet - while Lee has fought in three different countries, has the best trainer in the world - and is working out/sparring in the roughest gym in the world (Kronk). The guy spars with the former MW champion Jermain Taylor - his experience is LIGHT YEARS above the protected German-based Golovkin...

Not to mention that Lee is the years younger and four inches taller than your boy. Sorry man, but if they fought today anywhere outside of Germany - I'm betting my house on Lee.

two years younger. golovkin hicked lees ass in ams. golovkin was the junior world champ, the senior world champ, olympic silver medalist, has beaten better fighters as a pro. hits harder, is far stronger.

trains at a better gym with better fighters than lee. kronk is all history. universum gym in hamburg is way ahead these day.

andy lee would do well to last five rounds:lol:

[unitas]

oh and one more thing: Andy lee is 12-0 (9) and is ranked 77 in the world

golovkin is only 9-0 (8) but already ranked

[JSharp3180]

Of those I've seen, it's Andy Lee.

I've not seen Gennady Golovkin, but now I'll be watching.

[unitas]

......31 places ahead of him. so much for overprotection.

[kg0208]

......31 places ahead of him. so much for overprotection.

Ranked by whom?

[unitas]

let me put it this way: is there anyone who has seen both of them fight and actually believes that lee can hold a candle to this guy???

[Axe]

I'm going to go with Greg Proksa, he is more talented then both Golovkin and Lee, from what I have seen. Though he is campaigning at 160 right now, he will probably aim for a title at 154 lbs first.

[andyZOR]

The guy in my sig.

[sues2nd]

Its Andy Lee by leaps and bounds...

[unitas]

There is NO WAY they are getting the kind of old school sparring in Universum that is a daily occruance at Kronk, trust me! And we've all seen numerous protected German fighters come over to the states and have a few mishaps before they finally "get it". It took the Klitschkos a minute to learn the trade "on the big stage" once they started leaving Germany and started facing real fighters. It doesn't mean that your boy can't catch up - but there WILL be a learning curve if he ever leaves his sandbox. Look at Wlad's marked improvement since he left Germany, got with Steward and began sparring at Kronk. Today's Wlad would KILL the former Wlad, and his older brother...

trust you??

why?? you seem stuck in the 80´s when the USA was the hotbed of pro boxing.

now the eastern euro guys are kicking their ass. povetkin was only taught in europe........and name one american fighter who can hang with him??

the gyms in germany are filled with fighters and trainers of former east germany and especially the former USSSR.

gennady golovkin is like a middleweight version of povetkin. he beat everyone there was to beat in the ams. what did lee ever do?? get himself eliminated by some unkown in the olympics:lol:

gennady spars with guys like sergej dzinziruk, felix sturm, khoren gevor, zolt erdei, jurgen brahmer, thomas ulrich and many others.

he dont need some run down us gym where the fools leave all their fight in the sparring sessions (gym wars are a joke).

if you ever saw him fight, you´d know better. trust me.:yep

[Kegsy]

Golovkin & Lee are both very impressive to watch & are top prospects no doubt.
Also been impressed by Peter Quillin.

Out of Australia its worth keeping an eye on undefeated duo Daniel Geale & Daniel Dawson who are fighting for the IBO Middleweight Title later this year.

[SkillsSoSmooth]

Peter 'kid chocolate' Quillin by a fucking distance!!, the man is a monster, 15 and 0 with 12 ko's, he's got everything, massive power, reach, height, speed, skills, movement and his defense is good too, the man is killing it right now and as he's just turned 24 he's only gonna get better!!, i truely believe he is the man who will take out Pavlik in the coming years.

[PolishPummler]

Andy Lee

Grzegorz Proksa

Havent seen Golovkin in action.

[Pimp C]

My boy Andy Lee. He will rule the division in a few years.:happy

[Warfist]

Hate to sound like an echo, but Andy Lee is by FAR the best out of the prospect bunch. I'm only waiting to see how his chin holds up against a true middleweight puncher.

[drvooh]

Who is it??

To me there is only Gennady Golovkin......no one close behind him imo. What's his style??? I ahve never seen him....
What about Andy Lee??

[Dr Gonzo]

Joe Greene - i think he might be the NABA middleweight champ...

[drvooh]

It has to be Andy Lee.The kid can box and punch.If he has a decent chin he will compete with the best.
Others worth mentioning are Peter Quillin,Tyrone Brunson and Joe Green I agree;)

[drvooh]

Agreed, Golovkin is a good technician and has a relentless punching style - though he has to work on his defence and stamina, but hey, he's still a prospect and has fought by far the better competition to Lee's resume...

Btw, Golovkin KOed Lucian Bute in the amateurs... No insult Tomster, but why did Bute make it this far, and Golovkin is hardly known??

[BoardBULLY]

andy lee

[Tom_Tocca]

No insult Tomster, but why did Bute make it this far, and Golovkin is hardly known??

Because Golovkin just went pro in mid 2006 whereas Bute turned pro just after the amateurs world championships in Bankok in 2003...

[Odo]

Who is it??

To me there is only Gennady Golovkin......no one close behind him imo.

You are right,unitas.Golovkin is head and shoulders above all other promising fighters right now.
Lee cant hold a candle to him.
By the way I am surprised how toughly olympic silver medalist Golovkin has been matched so far!

[Odo]

No insult Tomster, but why did Bute make it this far, and Golovkin is hardly known??

Are you serious,drvooh?

Golovkin has only had 8 pro fights so far,and he has been matched very toughly so far.
The name of this pro game is money.And a fighter's markebility is determined by various factors.A very important factor is a fighter's nationality.Golovkin is Kazahk.No,he isnt an ethnic Russian like Chagaev or Maskaev who also have passports from that region of this planet.Kazahks are not very marketable in the most important box markets like the USA or Germany.
Bute is Romanian,and fights out of Canada.It terms of markebility he for sure has an advantage over Golovkin IMO.
Golovkin was a great amateur who won silver at the last olmypic tournament.Lets hope that he can earn some big bucks in Germany!

[Dorfmeister]

Giovanny Lorenzo, 6' tall exciting 160-pounder puncher, it's time for Main Evants to get him back on track and fight the likes of Dennis Sharpe and Archak TerMeliksetian for a real chance to move him to contendership position, put him up against Javier Castillejo or Amin Asikainen.

[Tom_Tocca]

Giovanny Lorenzo, 6' tall exciting 160-pounder puncher, it's time for Main Evants to get him back on track and fight the likes of Dennis Sharpe and Archak TerMeliksetian for a real chance to move him to contendership position, put him up against Javier Castillejo or Amin Asikainen.

A fight vs. Asikainen would be interesting, maybe even Sylvester...

[drvooh]

Are you serious,drvooh?

Golovkin has only had 8 pro fights so far,and he has been matched very toughly so far.
The name of this pro game is money.And a fighter's markebility is determined by various factors.A very important factor is a fighter's nationality.Golovkin is Kazahk.No,he isnt an ethnic Russian like Chagaev or Maskaev who also have passports from that region of this planet.Kazahks are not very marketable in the most important box markets like the USA or Germany.
Bute is Romanian,and fights out of Canada.It terms of markebility he for sure has an advantage over Golovkin IMO.
Golovkin was a great amateur who won silver at the last olmypic tournament.Lets hope that he can earn some big bucks in Germany! You ansered that very well:hi:

[Sonny Carson]

As of right now I'd have to say
Joe Greene
Andy Lee
Peter Quillin

[unitas]

You are right,unitas.Golovkin is head and shoulders above all other promising fighters right now.
Lee cant hold a candle to him.
By the way I am surprised how toughly olympic silver medalist Golovkin has been matched so far!

thanx odo:good

the people saying lee is better OBVIOUSLY havent seen golovkin fight or simply dont know who he is.

picking lee over golovkin is like picking sebastian kober a better prospect than POVETKIN!!!

golovkin is a middleweight version of povetkin.......in both amateur pedigree and talent!!

lee gets more hype than golovkin cause he is IRISH.......simple as that!!
as soon as an irish fighter can fight a little, he immediatly attracts a following.

a guy from kazakstan doesnt have that advantage!

still, anyone who puts lee in with golovkin would be guilty of child abuse:lol:

[*BOX_FAN*]

Grzegorz Proksa, Andy Lee, Peter Quillin.

[Odo]

thanx odo:good

the people saying lee is better OBVIOUSLY havent seen golovkin fight or simply dont know who he is.

picking lee over golovkin is like picking sebastian kober a better prospect than POVETKIN!!!

golovkin is a middleweight version of povetkin.......in both amateur pedigree and talent!!

lee gets more hype than golovkin cause he is IRISH.......simple as that!!
as soon as an irish fighter can fight a little, he immediatly attracts a following.

a guy from kazakstan doesnt have that advantage!

still, anyone who puts lee in with golovkin would be guilty of child abuse:lol:

I,too,find it quite hilarious that Lee-because he is Irish,and because he fights out of the USA,and because he is member of Emanuel Stewards' gym-gets so much hype.Lee was not that outstanding at the amateurs.He was no match for the real top guns then.However,he fights at the pros now,and all of a sudden he seems to be the new messiah and saviour of his weight division.Ridiculous!
Golovkin was head and shoulders above Lee at the amateurs,and he has been matched much tougher than Lee at the pros up to now.
A pity that Golovkin has the wrong passport and nationality!

[Orang-Utan Jim]

Andy Lee?????

Golovkin took him apart in the 2003 WC in Bangkok....

[MrStayman]

I,too,find it quite hilarious that Lee-because he is Irish,and because he fights out of the USA,and because he is member of Emanuel Stewards' gym-gets so much hype.Lee was not that outstanding at the amateurs.He was no match for the real top guns then.However,he fights at the pros now,and all of a sudden he seems to be the new messiah and saviour of his weight division.Ridiculous!
Golovkin was head and shoulders above Lee at the amateurs,and he has been matched much tougher than Lee at the pros up to now.
A pity that Golovkin has the wrong passport and nationality!I'll take a fighter who fights outside the USA and is not protected over a better, protected fighter any day.

[Odo]

I'll take a fighter who fights outside the USA and is not protected over a better, protected fighter any day.

I have nothing against the USA.But whenever a decent fighter is based over there in the USA it turns him-almost automatically-into a top prospect.
Andy Lee is a very decent fighter.However,Golovkin has been matched much tougher than him so far,and the Kazahk fighter was head and shoulders above Lee at the amateurs.
The Irish fighter couldnt hold a candle to Golovkin then.

[Sp_Immortal]

I don't know why people keep on making such a big deal about who beat who in the amateurs. Andy Lee was 19 when he lost to a 21 year old Golovkin in the amateurs in 2003, they were simply at different stages in terms of development and experience when they met.

Remember Taylor went on and on about how he had easily handled Pavlik in the amateurs, and look at what that counted for in the end. TKO7 Pavlik.

I'm not saying that Lee is better than Golovkin or vice versa, I'm just saying don't put too much stock in amateur matches - it's basically a different sport from pro boxing.

Maybe Golovkin is a super prospect and better than the rest. I'm very curious to see him in action so I can guage for myself. But I am kinda getting a sense of deja vu. A central Asian fighter with a great offensive arsenal and loads of power but with liabilities on defense. Where have I heard this beore? Oh yeah, KID DIAMOND! How did that work out?

[bumdujour]

I don't know why people keep on making such a big deal about who beat who in the amateurs. Andy Lee was 19 when he lost to a 21 year old Golovkin in the amateurs in 2003, they were simply at different stages in terms of development and experience when they met.

Remember Taylor went on and on about how he had easily handled Pavlik in the amateurs, and look at what that counted for in the end. TKO7 Pavlik.

I'm not saying that Lee is better than Golovkin or vice versa, I'm just saying don't put too much stock in amateur matches - it's basically a different sport from pro boxing.

Maybe Golovkin is a super prospect and better than the rest. I'm very curious to see him in action so I can guage for myself. But I am kinda getting a sense of deja vu. A central Asian fighter with a great offensive arsenal and loads of power but with liabilities on defense. Where have I heard this beore? Oh yeah, KID DIAMOND! How did that work out?

pavlik was 17 to taylors 21.

[NBT]

I don't know why people keep on making such a big deal about who beat who in the amateurs.
So what do you think is the better argument?
1. They already fought and he beat Lee easily.
2. Golovkin doesn't train and fight in the USA and doesn't have an American trainer so that automatically makes him an overprotected bum with a padded record.

[Odo]

I don't know why people keep on making such a big deal about who beat who in the amateurs. Andy Lee was 19 when he lost to a 21 year old Golovkin in the amateurs in 2003, they were simply at different stages in terms of development and experience when they met.

Remember Taylor went on and on about how he had easily handled Pavlik in the amateurs, and look at what that counted for in the end. TKO7 Pavlik.

I'm not saying that Lee is better than Golovkin or vice versa, I'm just saying don't put too much stock in amateur matches - it's basically a different sport from pro boxing.

Maybe Golovkin is a super prospect and better than the rest. I'm very curious to see him in action so I can guage for myself. But I am kinda getting a sense of deja vu. A central Asian fighter with a great offensive arsenal and loads of power but with liabilities on defense. Where have I heard this beore? Oh yeah, KID DIAMOND! How did that work out?

You are entitled to your opinion,immortal!
You made some good points.However,I disagree with you on some points.
Pro boxing is basically a different sport from pro boxing?
I dont deny that pro boxing and amateur boxing differ in some important areas.Nevertheless they have so many things in common.Most of the great amateurs are also great pros.
And a ko is a ko whether it happened at the amateurs or at the pros,and a lesson in boxing is a lesson in boxing whether it happened at the pros or at the amateurs.
Amateur boxing is no girl's game at all.Despite wearing headgear you are in a real fight.Of course pro boxing is more brutal to a certain extent,but on the other hand competition at the amateurs is much fiercer than at the pros.
As a good amateur you cant avoid facing the best amateur fighters this planet can offer whereas at the paid ranks most of the time you as a pro fighter will face overmatched journeyman.Money is the name of this game!
Besides there are other factors which have nothing to do with a fighter's ability to win a fight inside a ring which determine his markebility and further career.
TV exposure,the right passport,the right nationality,a powerful American,British,or German promoter,a capable manager,luck,markebility,sold tickets,and so on and so on are truly imporant at the pros.
The amateur sport is more honest in the sense that even fighters from very poor nations have a decent chance to shine at the amateurs and win a medal.
I love the pro sport,and I am not naive.I have no doubt that Golovkin is better than Lee.
Golovkin was a great amateur-far more successful than Lee.
However,at the pros Lee 's position is a better one due to aformentioned factors which are all in favour of a white Irish fighter who can speak English fluently and who can be easily sold to the American market.
Nevertheless it doesnt mean that Lee is the better fighter-he is better marketable than Golovkin.I am positive that Golovkin would beat Lee again at the pros,but I dont think that this fight will ever come off.

[Odo]

I don't know why people keep on making such a big deal about who beat who in the amateurs. Andy Lee was 19 when he lost to a 21 year old Golovkin in the amateurs in 2003, they were simply at different stages in terms of development and experience when they met.

Remember Taylor went on and on about how he had easily handled Pavlik in the amateurs, and look at what that counted for in the end. TKO7 Pavlik.

I'm not saying that Lee is better than Golovkin or vice versa, I'm just saying don't put too much stock in amateur matches - it's basically a different sport from pro boxing.

Maybe Golovkin is a super prospect and better than the rest. I'm very curious to see him in action so I can guage for myself. But I am kinda getting a sense of deja vu. A central Asian fighter with a great offensive arsenal and loads of power but with liabilities on defense. Where have I heard this beore? Oh yeah, KID DIAMOND! How did that work out?

You are entitled to your opinion,immortal!
You made some good points.However,I disagree with you on some points.
Pro boxing is basically a different sport from pro boxing?
I dont deny that pro boxing and amateur boxing differ in some important areas.Nevertheless they have so many things in common.Most of the great amateurs are also great pros.
And a ko is a ko whether it happened at the amateurs or at the pros,and a lesson in boxing is a lesson in boxing whether it happened at the pros or at the amateurs.
Amateur boxing is no girl's game at all.Despite wearing headgear you are in a real fight.Of course pro boxing is more brutal to a certain extent,but on the other hand competition at the amateurs is much fiercer than at the pros.
As a good amateur you cant avoid facing the best amateur fighters this planet can offer whereas at the paid ranks most of the time you as a pro fighter will face overmatched journeyman.Money is the name of this game!
Besides there are other factors which have nothing to do with a fighter's ability to win a fight inside a ring which determine his markebility and further career.
TV exposure,the right passport,the right nationality,a powerful American,British,or German promoter,a capable manager,luck,markebility,sold tickets,and so on and so on are truly imporant at the pros.
The amateur sport is more honest in the sense that even fighters from very poor nations have a decent chance to shine at the amateurs and win a medal.
I love the pro sport,and I am not naive.I have no doubt that Golovkin is better than Lee.
Golovkin was a great amateur-far more successful than Lee.
However,at the pros Lee 's position is a better one due to aformentioned factors which are all in favour of a white Irish fighter who can speak English fluently and who can be easily sold to the American market.
Nevertheless it doesnt mean that Lee is the better fighter-he is better marketable than Golovkin.I am positive that Golovkin would beat Lee again at the pros,but I dont think that this fight will ever come off.

[Odo]

I don't know why people keep on making such a big deal about who beat who in the amateurs. Andy Lee was 19 when he lost to a 21 year old Golovkin in the amateurs in 2003, they were simply at different stages in terms of development and experience when they met.

Remember Taylor went on and on about how he had easily handled Pavlik in the amateurs, and look at what that counted for in the end. TKO7 Pavlik.

I'm not saying that Lee is better than Golovkin or vice versa, I'm just saying don't put too much stock in amateur matches - it's basically a different sport from pro boxing.

Maybe Golovkin is a super prospect and better than the rest. I'm very curious to see him in action so I can guage for myself. But I am kinda getting a sense of deja vu. A central Asian fighter with a great offensive arsenal and loads of power but with liabilities on defense. Where have I heard this beore? Oh yeah, KID DIAMOND! How did that work out?

You are entitled to your opinion,immortal!
You made some good points.However,I disagree with you on some points.
Pro boxing is basically a different sport from pro boxing?
I dont deny that pro boxing and amateur boxing differ in some important areas.Nevertheless they have so many things in common.Most of the great amateurs are also great pros.
And a ko is a ko whether it happened at the amateurs or at the pros,and a lesson in boxing is a lesson in boxing whether it happened at the pros or at the amateurs.
Amateur boxing is no girl's game at all.Despite wearing headgear you are in a real fight.Of course pro boxing is more brutal to a certain extent,but on the other hand competition at the amateurs is much fiercer than at the pros.
As a good amateur you cant avoid facing the best amateur fighters this planet can offer whereas at the paid ranks most of the time you as a pro fighter will face overmatched journeyman.Money is the name of this game!
Besides there are other factors which have nothing to do with a fighter's ability to win a fight inside a ring which determine his markebility and further career.
TV exposure,the right passport,the right nationality,a powerful American,British,or German promoter,a capable manager,luck,markebility,sold tickets,and so on and so on are truly imporant at the pros.
The amateur sport is more honest in the sense that even fighters from very poor nations have a decent chance to shine at the amateurs and win a medal.
I love the pro sport,and I am not naive.I have no doubt that Golovkin is better than Lee.
Golovkin was a great amateur-far more successful than Lee.
However,at the pros Lee 's position is a better one due to aformentioned factors which are all in favour of a white Irish fighter who can speak English fluently and who can be easily sold to the American market.
Nevertheless it doesnt mean that Lee is the better fighter-he is better marketable than Golovkin.I am positive that Golovkin would beat Lee again at the pros,but I dont think that this fight will ever come off.

[Odo]

I don't know why people keep on making such a big deal about who beat who in the amateurs. Andy Lee was 19 when he lost to a 21 year old Golovkin in the amateurs in 2003, they were simply at different stages in terms of development and experience when they met.

Remember Taylor went on and on about how he had easily handled Pavlik in the amateurs, and look at what that counted for in the end. TKO7 Pavlik.

I'm not saying that Lee is better than Golovkin or vice versa, I'm just saying don't put too much stock in amateur matches - it's basically a different sport from pro boxing.

Maybe Golovkin is a super prospect and better than the rest. I'm very curious to see him in action so I can guage for myself. But I am kinda getting a sense of deja vu. A central Asian fighter with a great offensive arsenal and loads of power but with liabilities on defense. Where have I heard this beore? Oh yeah, KID DIAMOND! How did that work out?

You are entitled to your opinion,immortal!
You made some good points.However,I disagree with you on some points.
Pro boxing is basically a different sport from pro boxing?
I dont deny that pro boxing and amateur boxing differ in some important areas.Nevertheless they have so many things in common.Most of the great amateurs are also great pros.
And a ko is a ko whether it happened at the amateurs or at the pros,and a lesson in boxing is a lesson in boxing whether it happened at the pros or at the amateurs.
Amateur boxing is no girl's game at all.Despite wearing headgear you are in a real fight.Of course pro boxing is more brutal to a certain extent,but on the other hand competition at the amateurs is much fiercer than at the pros.
As a good amateur you cant avoid facing the best amateur fighters this planet can offer whereas at the paid ranks most of the time you as a pro fighter will face overmatched journeyman.Money is the name of this game!
Besides there are other factors which have nothing to do with a fighter's ability to win a fight inside a ring which determine his markebility and further career.
TV exposure,the right passport,the right nationality,a powerful American,British,or German promoter,a capable manager,luck,markebility,sold tickets,and so on and so on are truly imporant at the pros.
The amateur sport is more honest in the sense that even fighters from very poor nations have a decent chance to shine at the amateurs and win a medal.
I love the pro sport,and I am not naive.I have no doubt that Golovkin is better than Lee.
Golovkin was a great amateur-far more successful than Lee.
However,at the pros Lee 's position is a better one due to aformentioned factors which are all in favour of a white Irish fighter who can speak English fluently and who can be easily sold to the American market.
Nevertheless it doesnt mean that Lee is the better fighter-he is better marketable than Golovkin.I am positive that Golovkin would beat Lee again at the pros,but I dont think that this fight will ever come off.

[Tom_Tocca]

:nut :nut :nut

wtf, odo?

but you are right: a KO is a KO...is a KO...

[Odo]

:nut :nut :nut

wtf, odo?

but you are right: a KO is a KO...is a KO...

It is ,tom!

Some people tend to think that the amateurs fight like little girls in a playground.They are wrong!

Solis is a good example! He beat the shit out of Sidon in his pro debut.
Sidon was an experienced pro who had shared the ring with lots of known names in his long pro box and thai box career.Nevertheless the green and inexperiecend Solis who had just turned pro knocked him out.
I have seen dozens of amateur fights which were tougher and fiercer than a most of the pro fights I have seen.Head gear is a nice thing,but you fight for real inside a box ring whether you are an amateur or a pro.
And nobody can deny that a top amateur more frequently faces top opposition at the amateurs than a top pro at the paid ranks-this is especially true for the heavyweights.
You have to beat top fellow amateurs to win a medal at an olympic tournament or a world championchip whereas at the pros even a limited heavy like Shannon Briggs who had only defeated a bunch of no-hopers before got a title shot.

[unitas]

It is ,tom!

Some people tend to think that the amateurs fight like little girls in a playground.They are wrong!

Solis is a good example! He beat the shit out of Sidon in his pro debut.
Sidon was an experienced pro who had shared the ring with lots of known names in his long pro box and thai box career.Nevertheless the green and inexperiecend Solis who had just turned pro knocked him out.
I have seen dozens of amateur fights which were tougher and fiercer than a most of the pro fights I have seen.Head gear is a nice thing,but you fight for real inside a box ring whether you are an amateur or a pro.
And nobody can deny that a top amateur more frequently faces top opposition at the amateurs than a top pro at the paid ranks-this is especially true for the heavyweights.
You have to beat top fellow amateurs to win a medal at an olympic tournament or a world championchip whereas at the pros even a limited heavy like Shannon Briggs who had only defeated a bunch of no-hopers before got a title shot.

well, alot of americans are still stuck in the eightees when it comes to amateur/pro conceptions.

alot of americans still think of european amateur stars who turn pro and fail.
but that had more to do with the fact that most of the amateurs of eastern europe who turned pro were usually way past their prime to turn to pro boxing.
or they simply had no pro boxing enviroment to turn to.

but times have changed!!!!

europe has developed pro boxing now ever since the iron curtain came down.
not only are the top amateurs turning pro at the right time now, they have a perfect inviroment to turn pro in.

look how fighters like povetkin, dzinziruk, abraham and all the other developed.
germany may not have many great local fighters, but they have a perfect boxing infrastructure.
they have all the money in the world.......the best trainers, the best physicians......the best sparring......just everything you need.

anyone who still thinks you need a crappy fucked up ghetto gym in the usa is living is "boxing clichee fantasy world".

if you think "gym wars" are a good thing, then you are better off watching boxing movies instead of the real deal.:patsch

and to see that golovkin is head and shoulders above someone like lee you dont need to look at his amateur accomplishments to know this.
just watch him fight.