Pacman accepts Valero's challenge! [Archive]

kg0208

10-11-2007, 06:49 PM

It's good news to me that he is staying at 130. There are a lot of big fights at 130. Against Valero, JMM, Soto & Guzman.:good
Well if Pacman is going to fight Valero, JMM/Juarez winner should fight the Soto/Guzman winner. Then the winners face off. All questions answered really...

tays001

10-11-2007, 06:50 PM

good fight now this will be cool while it last

DobyZhee

10-11-2007, 07:07 PM

guaranteed to have fireworks, unlike the MAB fight.

Pimp C

10-11-2007, 07:09 PM

Good fight but I'd much rather see him face JMM or Guzman.

ravtrav

10-11-2007, 07:09 PM

Well if Pacman is going to fight Valero, JMM?Juarez winner should fight the Soto/Guzman winner. Then the winners face off. All questions answered really...:good That would be too good to be true, A Junior lightweight tourney.

jopez707

10-11-2007, 07:10 PM

Good, I am interested in what Valero learned while working with Barrera. Hopefully he has fine tuned his game, and learned some of the finer points of boxing.

Bangis

10-11-2007, 07:22 PM

Im not getting too excited just yet because this is what happened early in the year. All his potential matchup against Valero in MArch to in JIn CHi in april fell through so im not believing any of it because that's all it is, talks..

PAcman has more speed but valero definitely has the edge in power so we'll see, and it isn't going to be some blowout like some are predicting.

same here i wont get too excited about this... there were a lot of talks of PAC opponents PAC vs IN Jin Chi, Soto etc... but they were just that all talk...

But damn i hope this pushes through... if not a match with either JMM - Juarez winner or soto - guzman should push through...

i would be disappointed if he immediately moves up to 135 and fight diaz:-(

brooklyn1550

10-11-2007, 07:27 PM

Great news...should be a great fight and a great KO win for Pac

puga_ni_nana

10-11-2007, 07:27 PM

Im not getting too excited just yet because this is what happened early in the year. All his potential matchup against Valero in MArch to in JIn CHi in april fell through so im not believing any of it because that's all it is, talks..

PAcman has more speed but valero definitely has the edge in power so we'll see, and it isn't going to be some blowout like some are predicting.

yeah you're right. this is only talk and nothing is finalized yet. but this is pacquiao talking that he wants to fight valero now. unlike a year ago when he said that valero must improve in competition first before talking of a fight with him.

this fight is not a done deal and we could still get what we want...

MARQUEZ-PACQUIAO II,

and that is if marquez is "really" willing to face pacquiao.

psychopath

10-11-2007, 07:33 PM

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BRING IT ON!:bbb

Yup and it's all good! :yep

:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

. . . . but wait, I want to see documents signed first.

:think

psychopath

10-11-2007, 07:34 PM

yeah you're right. this is only talk and nothing is finalized yet. but this is pacquiao talking that he wants to fight valero now. unlike a year ago when he said that valero must improve in competition first before talking of a fight with him.

this fight is not a done deal and we could still get what we want...

MARQUEZ-PACQUIAO II,

and that is if marquez is "really" willing to face pacquiao.

JMM must wake up and accept the reality that he cannot "command his own purse" against Pacquaio . . . that's the key and bottom line.

:yep :good

Imperial1

10-11-2007, 07:41 PM

Is this true this is the 7th time I read this..I ain't beleiving jack til Arum confirms and there is a press confrence ..

If it is true this should be one hell of a scrap ..Lets see if this is the fight where all of Manny's distactions catch up to him ..

As far as JMM I completely agree Team Marquez really squandered their bargening power by taking the John fights ..Its funny but even after getting a decison (cough gift ) against MAB he still is the one that needs to take what ever is thrown at him by Pacquio .

C Money

10-11-2007, 07:42 PM

If it truly happens:happy

I dont care who's first, escond, or third:nono Valero, JMM, Winner of Guzman vs Soto are the slots:yep = Real Champion

I'm not buying ANY ish about Pac being scared of any fighter at 130, they ALL make money and could provide the evidence that makes his legacy much better than it is already.

Bangis

10-11-2007, 07:43 PM

JMM must wake up and accept the reality that he cannot "command his own purse" against Pacquaio . . . that's the key and bottom line.

:yep :good

has anyone even told you that JJM is a deep sleeper? :yep:yep:yep:yep:yep
HE wont be waking up soon.... he's enjoying his dream,,,

psychopath

10-11-2007, 07:45 PM

has anyone even told you that JJM is a deep sleeper? :yep:yep:yep:yep:yep
HE wont be waking up soon.... he's enjoying his dream,,,

Well :D . . . Pac will fight Valero, Guzman or Soto, while he is sleeping and laying egg on his WBC belt. :yep :good

psychopath

10-11-2007, 07:55 PM

. . . on the second thought this statement by Pac might just be a ploy to force JMM and his team to settle down and make an honest negotiation for the fight. :think :huh

maracho

10-11-2007, 08:07 PM

Valero then Soto sounds sounds as exciting as any and David Diaz would probably just give Pac a bit of unglorified damage. That said, I think Pac has had enough war experience with great boxers to compete against Baby Bull or Casamayor.

ko factor

10-11-2007, 11:15 PM

PATSYS

10-11-2007, 11:42 PM

Well if Pacman is going to fight Valero, JMM/Juarez winner should fight the Soto/Guzman winner. Then the winners face off. All questions answered really...

Good post, I agree. It is about time the other 130 champs face each other off and not just lined up for a shot at the Pacman. They have to do their own division cleaning chores.

Problem is, I truly truly doubt if JMM would ever fight Guzman before he fights Pac. JMM has never mentioned Guzman as an opponent and matter of fact turndown a unificiation fight with him (when Barrios backed out against JMM).

theunderdog

10-11-2007, 11:47 PM

thing is, if pac goes to wipe the floor with valero's ass, haters will be saying that valero was onerhyped to begin with.

anyway, bring it on. at least haters can't call valero old

BoppaZoo

10-11-2007, 11:47 PM

I wouldn't complain at all if he moved up to fight Casa or the winner of Diaz/Diaz, but if he's leaving 130 only to fight DAVID freakin DIAZ, i would be hella dissapointed...

They say Casa fight doesn't generate any money, but David Diaz does??? :huh And who's to say that DAvid Diaz would be an easier fight than Casa? Casa is a hard veteran but Diaz might give him as much problem because of his style..I have read that HBO want Diavid Diaz to fight Michael Katsidis next to kick off the 2008 season with a barn burner of a fight and have been making a huge push to make this fight happen.

Now the rest is up to the Katsidis camp aswell as David Diaz's management.

41fever

10-12-2007, 01:09 AM

I prefer SOTO or JMM to face off with PAC first, preferbly JMM (he's getting old too)...I wish VALERO - PAC could wait, this fight will damage both fighters.

Kolya

10-12-2007, 01:17 AM

I'm afraid PacMan might literally kill Valero.

Boom_Boom

10-12-2007, 02:23 AM

The fight is not official, Pac and his team said that hins next opponent will be named immediately after the Soto/Guzman and JMM/Juarez fights.

If JMM wins expect him to be first on the list
If Juarez wins and Soto wins expect Soto to be next
If Juarez wins and Guzman wins then its likely for Valero

kg0208

10-12-2007, 02:26 AM

Good post, I agree. It is about time the other 130 champs face each other off and not just lined up for a shot at the Pacman. They have to do their own division cleaning chores.

Problem is, I truly truly doubt if JMM would ever fight Guzman before he fights Pac. JMM has never mentioned Guzman as an opponent and matter of fact turndown a unificiation fight with him (when Barrios backed out against JMM).

I wasn't aware JMM turned down Guzman. But I could see how Guzman might be a high risk low reward proposition. Especially now that he beat Barrios...

PATSYS

10-12-2007, 02:59 AM

I wasn't aware JMM turned down Guzman. But I could see how Guzman might be a high risk low reward proposition. Especially now that he beat Barrios...

JMM was originally supposed to fight Barrios then Barrios backed down because he said he may not make the 130 limit anymore. Team Guzman volunteered to fill in, team Marquez turned them down publicly.

JMM has no right to do a high risk-low reward assessment because he ain't no superstar himself :nut . It can easily be argued that he is the high risk low reward for Guzman.:patsch

kg0208

10-12-2007, 03:00 AM

JMM was originally supposed to fight Barrios then Barrios backed down because he said he may not make the 130 limit anymore. Team Guzman volunteered to fill in, team Marquez turned them down publicly.

JMM has no right to do a high risk-low reward assessment because he ain't no superstar himself :nut . It can easily be argued that he is the high risk low reward for Guzman.:patsch

I don't think anyone should be doing high risk low reward. Fight the best fighters, you will make money.

Remember, Pacman got his break because MAB gave it to him.

hellblazer

10-12-2007, 03:02 AM

let's see how good Valero is when he finally faces an elite and a P4P fighter in Pac.
Can he k.o Pac in the 1st round? or will the PacMan punish and k.o Valero in the mid or late rounds.

psychopath

10-12-2007, 04:11 AM

Well if Pacman is going to fight Valero, JMM/Juarez winner should fight the Soto/Guzman winner. Then the winners face off. All questions answered really...

Yeeeeeeeessss ! :yep :good

PATSYS

10-12-2007, 04:33 AM

I don't think anyone should be doing high risk low reward. Fight the best fighters, you will make money.

Remember, Pacman got his break because MAB gave it to him.

Bad example.

Pac's real break was when he fought Ledwaba, when he was picked as a late sub in a 2-weeks notice and a $50K payday. Pac made sacrifices there.

When MAB fought Pac, Pac was already making a name for himself by koing a string of previously un-knockable opponents. And Pac agreed to a very low purse to get a fight with MAB.

Everybody gets a break every now and then and when they get the opportunity, they should grab it. Pac did it and that is why he is where he is now.

But JMM...

Refused to fight a rematch with Pac for $900K
Demanded $1.75M for a fight with Morales
Turned down a fight with Guzman

About not doing high risk-low reward assessment, you have to be either kidding or you are a fool if you really believe that. These are guys fighting for living, these are not pitbulls. What is your definition of the "best available fighter" anyway? If it is based on general perception, then it is all about popularity and if a fighter is popular, then he it is a high-reward fight.

enzo

10-12-2007, 06:05 AM

P.S.

PAC by KO

knockout

10-12-2007, 09:27 AM

I say its bullshit for now:verysad But hopefully im wrong.

ko factor

10-12-2007, 09:31 AM

This fight IMO will be comparable when Pacman fought the wild swinging Lucero - and you knew the result of that fight. But I'm not saying that Lucero is a better fighter than Valero, just their style.:yep

puga_ni_nana

10-12-2007, 10:00 AM

Most likey Pac will pull himself form the wbc ratings AGAIN, avoiding the world champions

now that he is done with barrera, he must pursue marquez. this will seal his legacy and erase the stigma of the draw 3 years ago. but if marquez is not that interested in fighting pacquiao and is not committed 100%, it would be better for pacquiao to fight somebody else like valero.

charlievint

10-12-2007, 10:25 AM

Im not getting too excited just yet because this is what happened early in the year. All his potential matchup against Valero in MArch to in JIn CHi in april fell through so im not believing any of it because that's all it is, talks..

PAcman has more speed but valero definitely has the edge in power so we'll see, and it isn't going to be some blowout like some are predicting.

Its gonna be a SHORT COMPETITIVE fight! With ALOT of fireworks until one gets KO between the 3 and 6th rounds. That's my prediction anyway. I think PAC Lands a straight left that sends Valero to the canvas...he gets up and PAC finishes the job via TKO.