Hatton, the second coming of Ruiz????

[1lehudson]

I know that Im going to get some heat here, but bring it on. Hatton reminds me so much of john Ruiz. More skilled and talented of course, never the less its the same style. Hatton seems to turn off more and more fans every time out.

I watched hatton early in his career and I dont recall him being this way. Ricky "LIL RUIZ" Hatton:yep

[Kostya Zoo]

I just don't see it.

[Kostya Zoo]

Hatton has TKO'd / KO'd Castillo and Tszyu. Does Ruiz have those bragging rights? No.

well he didn't really fight in the same weight class so this isn't a fair comparison.

[SixSpeedSleuth]

I see where the Orignal Poster is coming from. I try to like and respect all fighters because it is a tough, dangerous profession, but Ricky Hattons Syle (or lack theroff) makes me want to vomit. There is no denying he has some skills, but the hit on the way in and immediatley clinch brings me to tears. I would rather watch paint dry. Wait, I would rather watch Mayweather, and boy, I hate watching him as well.

[BigReg]

I'm not even trying to be funny, but Hatton fights put me to sleep. I fell asleep when he fought Collazo, Urango, and almost fell asleep when he fought Castillo. I am by no means a Hatton hater. I was hyped for this fight and even ignored my girlfriend's calls so that I could watch it without her bothering me. Hatton definately has skills, but the constant holding breaks up the action in his fights.

Every time it looked like the action was about to turn up against Castillo, Hatton held(Castillo held too). It was like matching an MMA fight. Lots of holding with a few good blows in between. A lot of people like Hatton(only a handful outside of the UK though), but his style, to me, is frustrating. In the end, I give the guy credit for coming into the fight in great shape, showing flashes of brilliance, and knocking out a washed up fighter early just like a good fighter is supposed to do. However, it bothers me that he promotes himself as such an exciting fighter. He's not very exciting, and most boxing fans not from the UK would agree. Ricky "Hook and Hold" Hatton is John Ruiz with more skills and a rabid fan base. If he were from some crap town that didn't care about boxing he'd get the Winky Wright treatment; being relegated to fighting on undercards around the globe until some big named fighter felt sorry for him and gave him a chance.

[Marnoff]

I'm not a fan of his style, but maybe he can push Mayweather. I doubt it, but we'll see.

[Anthony Farnell]

I can see how people don't like his style but comparisons to Ruiz are ridiculous.
His workrate alone void the comparisons to Ruiz.

[Rock0052]

The funny thing is Hatton's bullying style is looked at as a prime example of the lack of skill in boxing nowadays by haters... but if anybody actually looked to how many champions fought in the past using the "I'm going to bully you until I win" fight style, I think they'd be surprised and they wouldn't compare Hatton to a fraud like Ruiz. Look at a guy like Gene Fullmer fight and you'll see what I mean- a guy who could fight skilled fights, but combined that with bludgeoning, ugly fights to just break his opponent's will.

[Kostya Zoo]

The main (and obvious) difference between Hatton and Ruiz are the workrate on the inside. Ruiz just does it to rest and get broken up by the ref, while Hatton actually has malice behind what he's doing. He usually very active on the inside/in the clinch. It's basically a form of "dirty boxing" sans elbows and has proven to be very effective for him.

[theunderdog]

i think you just said that because of the hugging. all other aspects of hatton's and ruiz's game are entirely different

[Anthony Farnell]

The main (and obvious) difference between Hatton and Ruiz are the workrate on the inside. Ruiz just does it to rest and get broken up by the ref, while Hatton actually has malice behind what he's doing. He usually very active on the inside/in the clinch. It's basically a form of "dirty boxing" sans elbows and has proven to be very effective for him.

:thumbsup Exactly.

[WhataRock]

Well one similarity I can see is over time both fighters used it more as their opposition got better.

Ruiz back in the day wasnt that much of a hugger, I mean he clinched but he would trade sometimes, and he just seemed like a slightly above average club fighter. Obviously the Tua fight changed his mindset, if anything he formed a stlye that caused him to overachieve.

Hatton was a lot more of a slugger early on, he was a fighter to get excited about. But you did notice once the fighters went from blowouts, to hard fought decisions, to near lossess. He relied much more on smothering the oppositions attack, because the fights werent so one way anymore.

I think Ricky understandbly wants to win more than anything, so this style that he has refined is the best way of doing it. To be honest I think it shows a lack of confidence in his fighting ability, but hey it works.
I feel he just doesnt want to trade shots because he is good at implementing this style of fighting but also he doesnt want to get cut.

[o_money]

The funny thing is Hatton's bullying style is looked at as a prime example of the lack of skill in boxing nowadays by haters... but if anybody actually looked to how many champions fought in the past using the "I'm going to bully you until I win" fight style, I think they'd be surprised and they wouldn't compare Hatton to a fraud like Ruiz. Look at a guy like Gene Fullmer fight and you'll see what I mean- a guy who could fight skilled fights, but combined that with bludgeoning, ugly fights to just break his opponent's will.
Hey Rock, save this and repost it everytime someone tries to pull this arguement.


All these comparisons of hatton to Ruiz or these hatton is boring comments are far too simplistic and have obviously not been thought through. In the sameway that the mayweather is a boring fighter comments are simplistic and don't logically add up. Know what I'm getting at haters?

[stillafan]

Amen Brother, he is The Hittman Ruiz!!..BORNG..should be illegal!

[Beebs]

You're an idiot if you think Hatton is like Ruiz, Hatton goes in there to finish his opponent, he does this by fighting on the inside, when you fight alot on the inside and are constantly backing the opponent up, you will get into clinches.

What would you idiots think of Jim Jefferies?

[the_what]

Ruiz on speed maybe. Hatton is to damn fast. And he is in and out faster than Ruiz ever was. But all in all. Nobody compares to the Ultimate Mauler that is the Quietman.

[Beebs]

I agreed 100% with you until you started calling everybody an idiot, people will disagree with your opinion sometime, that does not mean they are idiots that means they see a different perspective.

They are not automatically an idiot if they disagree with me, they are an idiot if they think Hatton fights like Ruiz, regardless of my opinion.

[K0NPHL1C7]

Hatton is a Mini Ruiz with ADHD, nothing more.

[Relentless]

ricky the quiet-man ruiz????

[haggler2167]

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[Brighton bomber]

I am a Hatton fan but I will be the first to admit that he has begun to hold on too much for my liking. He held on way too much in the first round against Castillo but looked so much better in the fourth when he held on less and let his hands go.

Hatton has developed a very effective physical style which involves beating his opponent to the punch and holding on to supress any counters and break up his opponents rythm. While it is very sucessful it is not very exciting to watch. He's doing whatever it takes to win, which in boxing is acceptable in my eyes as long as it isn't illegal and so far he is yet to be penalized for such tactics.

[David UK]

The main (and obvious) difference between Hatton and Ruiz are the workrate on the inside. Ruiz just does it to rest and get broken up by the ref, while Hatton actually has malice behind what he's doing. He usually very active on the inside/in the clinch. It's basically a form of "dirty boxing" sans elbows and has proven to be very effective for him.

A spot on assessment. So why can't others see this?

[Chiko_Tech]

I meant like, wins over big named opponents such as those two.

Hollyfield enought said

[Scar]

Of course not, Hatton does hold and stuff but he can make fights exciting.

[Carlos Primera]

maybe a few similarities with the clinching, but hatton throws hard body shots in there. the holding etc.. is just part of his rough house, bullying style.

[kirk]

yes because, Ruiz makes champions QUIT...

it must have been hattons clinches that made zoo not want to fight for the last three minutes, or castillo take a knee and not get up.

yes.... exactly like ruiz.

[Boro chris]

Don't know what the fuss is about Hattons holding.
You check out some old fights and it was considered an acceptable tactict back in the day.

[1lehudson]

Hatton fights like John Ruiz. It cant really be denied. the difference is very small. And lets be totally honest here, Ruiz had fought better fighters.

Hatton is losing fans also because of his style. Dont get me wrong, I dont bash fighters for using styles that give them the best shot a winning a fight, that dont mean that i have to like it.

I for one dont see how guys can say the styles arent the same. Ruiz jab jab hold, Hatton right hand left hook hold. Dont see anything that makes it all that different.

[Pimp C]

Hatton's style is bad for boxing not to mention illegal. Fall in hold wrestle and hit in the clinch...weak. No boxing skills whatsoever.

[1lehudson]

Hatton's style is bad for boxing not to mention illegal. Fall in hold wrestle and hit in the clinch...weak. No boxing skills whatsoever.Hatton has some skills he just dont use them.

[Beebs]

Hatton's style is bad for boxing not to mention illegal. Fall in hold wrestle and hit in the clinch...weak. No boxing skills whatsoever.

No boxing skills whatsoever, but he beats skilled boxers, so apparantly your definition of "skills" is flawed. "Boxing skills" are what works to win a boxing match, period.

[Illmatic]

I meant like, wins over big named opponents such as those two.

Holyfield and Rahman :yep

How dare you denigrate the name of the Bearded Warrior with Hatton.

[Chert]

i really don't like hatton's style of fighting. he goes in, connects with a punch then immediately clinches/holds. immediately after the ref breaks the hold, he punches then clinches again... not very entertaining, to say the least.

[brooklyn1550]

It's a tough style to overcome

[maciek4]

Dumb comparison. Despite Hatton holding a lot he throws a lot of punches and he throws punches in a clinch. He throws all kinds of punches, mostly hooks and uppercuts, Ruiz only throws jab and right hand and clinches and when in a clinch he doesnt throw any punches just holds.

[sean]

6 years ago hudson was saying that hatton would lose to virtually all of the top ten 2001 light welters and now 6 years on, its he does not like his style.

nothing much changes.

[Craig]

[quote=1lehudson]
Hatton is losing fans also because of his style.


Yes this is why over 10,000 Brits paid a great deal of money to come across the pond and watch their man in action (some even doing this 3 times in a row). For a Mayweather fight i predict 15-20,000 making the trip - he is a huge draw and is creating more fans than losing them. the people who dont like his style never have done and thats fair enough - Hatton can only beat whoever is put in front of him and so far he has beaten everyone. If he wins convincenly they say the opponent was a has been and over the hill, if he wins but struggles they say he aint good enough - whatever he does for some people it is never enough. If he beats Mayweather IMO the best P4p boxer in the world today some people will still say he was lucky/ffloyd was a retired fighter etc. I think Hatton will only get praise in 20 years time when he has retired and people realise what a good fighter he was.

[maciek4]

Hatton is way more entertaining than Floyd Mayweather. His fan base is way bigger. No comparison here.

[1lehudson]

6 years ago hudson was saying that hatton would lose to virtually all of the top ten 2001 light welters and now 6 years on, its he does not like his style.

nothing much changes.UMM I dont remember that. I remember being a fan of Hatton, before he adopted he crappy style. And i also recall picking hatton to win both of his biggest fights, Tszyu and now Castillo. Do i think that there are alot of fighters out there that would beat Hatton??? Yes I do, but he has managed to avoid that kind of fighter. First it was Mitchell who is a bad style, then it was Witter, and Floyd. Funny thing is that they are all very slick fast fighters. I wonder if hatton's people seen something in training that lead them to avoid this types of fighters.:hey


And it wasnt no 10,000 fans that came over to watch Hatton, it was 5,683, quite a few fans to come so far, but not near the numbers that his fans are now claiming. I guess that as time goes on that number will grow.:lol:

[Kostya Zoo]

And it wasnt no 10,000 fans that came over to watch Hatton, it was 5,683, quite a few fans to come so far, but not near the numbers that his fans are now claiming. I guess that as time goes on that number will grow.:lol:

Did you just make that up? I read 8000.

[maciek4]

UMM I dont remember that. I remember being a fan of Hatton, before he adopted he crappy style. And i also recall picking hatton to win both of his biggest fights, Tszyu and now Castillo. Do i think that there are alot of fighters out there that would beat Hatton??? Yes I do, but he has managed to avoid that kind of fighter. First it was Mitchell who is a bad style, then it was Witter, and Floyd. Funny thing is that they are all very slick fast fighters. I wonder if hatton's people seen something in training that lead them to avoid this types of fighters.:hey


And it wasnt no 10,000 fans that came over to watch Hatton, it was 5,683, quite a few fans to come so far, but not near the numbers that his fans are now claiming. I guess that as time goes on that number will grow.:lol:

6000 die hard Hatton fans. How many die hard fans does Mayweather have? 12?

[1lehudson]

Did you just make that up? I read 8000.No I didnt make that up, that was the offical number of seats sold to british fans. Maybe some got tickets at the door, but not 4,000 of them:good

[Thread Stealer]

Hatton used to be exciting but has turned too much into a wrestler lately.

Still, I don't dislike him like I did Ruiz, and Ricky is a much better fighter than Ruiz was.

[stillafan]

I agree , Hatton used to be exciting..now he just grabs and holds!

[sandwichsurgeon]

He's more of an Armstrong than a Ruiz

[sean]

UMM I dont remember that. I remember being a fan of Hatton, before he adopted he crappy style. And i also recall picking hatton to win both of his biggest fights, Tszyu and now Castillo. Do i think that there are alot of fighters out there that would beat Hatton??? Yes I do, but he has managed to avoid that kind of fighter. First it was Mitchell who is a bad style, then it was Witter, and Floyd. Funny thing is that they are all very slick fast fighters. I wonder if hatton's people seen something in training that lead them to avoid this types of fighters.:hey


And it wasnt no 10,000 fans that came over to watch Hatton, it was 5,683, quite a few fans to come so far, but not near the numbers that his fans are now claiming. I guess that as time goes on that number will grow.:lol:

you were a fan of his ?
you kept that well hidden.
all i can remember over the years is negative after negative, when you have posted regarding hatton.

[1lehudson]

you were a fan of his ?
you kept that well hidden.
all i can remember over the years is negative after negative, when you have posted regarding hatton.I think that you confuse Hatton with Cazlaghe. I use to like Hatton, Cazlaghe on the other hand i never did like.

[audio101]

From what I remember Hatton was exciting to watch at one point, though now it's really hard to enjoy his fights. I guess he realized he doesn't have any type of boxing skill so he feels better off just holding.:tired

[Beebs]

From what I remember Hatton was exciting to watch at one point, though now it's really hard to enjoy his fights. I guess he realized he doesn't have any type of boxing skill so he feels better off just holding.:tired

Yea, he held Castillo so hard Castillo got counted out for the first time in his career, within four rounds.

[audio101]

Yea, he held Castillo so hard Castillo got counted out for the first time in his career, within four rounds.

So, was the fight exciting? No.

[1lehudson]

From what I remember Hatton was exciting to watch at one point, though now it's really hard to enjoy his fights. I guess he realized he doesn't have any type of boxing skill so he feels better off just holding.:tiredThat is how I feel. I use to like watching Hatton fight. Dont get me wrong, from what i hear hatton seems to be a helluva guy, people seem to really like the guy, its just that his hold hit and hold again style is horrible to watch. And I just can see how its some much different then that of Ruiz.