Why so much hate for Hatton?

[uppa kut]

I can't remember a fighter taking so much heat after a big win. Damn, people act like Castillo was shot as hell when Hatton ko'ed him.

Did they hate on Oscar after his fight with Whittaker, JCC or SRL. These guys were way further out of thier prime when they were matched with ODL then Castillo was against Hatton.

Give the man respect for a big win. I would rather see a tuff inside fight with some mauling, then see PBF do his best impersonation of dancing with the stars.

[Brendan]

I agree with Uppa Cut.

[BigReg]

2 reasons
1= he aint USA
2= he's white:-(

Please stop with the ignorance. Most of the boxing writers, announcers, analyst, and a good deal of the fans are white. I seriously doubt white people are on a mission to discredit fighters for being of the same race. Also, are we supposed to throw a parade for Hatton for beating an old, blown up super light weight, who struggled to beat a glorified prospect in his last fight? I don't think so.

If white fighters don't get any respect, how come Kelly Pavlik is seen as the greatest thing since slice bread after beating a limited Miranda? How come people embrace Malinaggi even though he throws about 800 jabs a fight, evey step he takes is backwards, and he only has 5 ko's in 23 fights?

News flash buddy, every fighter is gonna face some criticism, even after big wins. Ray Leaonard came out of like a 3 year retirment, moved up to MW,and beat a fighter most people at the time thought was unbeatable and he still was criticised. Mayweather went up to 154(he came into the fight at 148 and fought a bigger, stronger guy who is still in many p4p top 20 lists, and people still didn't want to give him credit. The point is, every fighter has their critics. I seriously doubt though the people on this website(most of which I'm guessing are white) are out to belittle "Hook and Hold" Hatton's accomplishments because he is white. On the other hand, people may hate him because he's Brittish.

[Kostya Zoo]

2 reasons
1= he aint USA
2= he's white:-(
There are, at the very least, cultural and nationalist biases. I wouldn't go as far as saying it's racial, although sometimes it appears to be the case.

[Lacyace]

2 reasons
1= he aint USA
2= he's white:-(

Ok. Write down who you think are the current ten most hated boxers in the world and you'll find yourself suprised.

[David UK]

All this was predicted by many Hattons fans on here BEFORE the Castillo fight. Virtually all of the hate come from Americans. Nothing to do with him being white. Ricky is just too rough and tough for their sanitized tastes.

[Rock0052]

Ever see " All in the Family " ??? Meathead was white, but it killed him to credit his own race...He was a liberal geek. Pavlik is American, and the Sac Bee out here has YET to mention his name...but many of the South of the borders who dio not even have a decent record, are always written up ....When Wlad beat Peter, it was not mentioned out here.. MOST minorities do not discredit white fighters...WHITES discredit them. Other sources??? Read some of " bigtime 9 " posts, he was on here, and is now spreading his ant-white trash on another forum...atleast i have had the pleasure of " NOT " seeing him on here.

Good post, and sadly- you're right. Alot of casual white fans still think that unless a fighter is black or latino, he must not be a "real" fighter.

[Lacyace]

No Cory Spinks, Jermain Taylor, Shannon Briggs....?

Wlad and Vitali most hated? Not even close.

[Kostya Zoo]

Good post, and sadly- you're right. Alot of casual white fans still think that unless a fighter is black or latino, he must not be a "real" fighter.

You hit the nail on the head, it's purely societal conditioning.

It can easily be compared to standards of beauty. Take someone like Uma Thurman, who is ugly as shit. Most men consider her attractive because they have been societally conditioned to believe that her features are attractive.

Well the same goes for athletes.

[Dunky McCafferty]

I would say the reason he creates such debate is because in his 43 fight career, Hatton has never really faced a hot prospect, or a top domestic rival. Hattons biggest wins are against big name fighters who have seen better days. Hatton has went the McGuigan route to glory.

As everyone knows, Witter has been chasing Hatton for years. & Hatton has used every trick in the book to avoid Witter. & I think that has cost Hatton A LOT of respect with boxing fans. Cos boxing fans always expect a fighter to face his big rival, & Hatton didnt do that. BIG mistake. Everyone wanted it, & Hatton didnt give the fight fans what they wanted.

& even now, with Witter a 30 something proud WBC champ, Hatton still insists he wont face him. & I think that has been his biggest mistake, he wont take on a genuine 50/50 fight. He was a heavy betting favourite against Castillo, & you can never give a man too much credit for fights hes expected to win.

hatton needs to exorcise the ghost of Witter, or beat an up & coming brash & confident domestic rival prospect who has been calling him out like Ajose Olusegun for instance, a win that will mean the world to his home fans, & then he can think about taking on the elite.

Its all about getting the right wins, & Hatton isnt doing that at the moment. He needs to beat his domestic nemesis or beat an up & coming prospect from his homeland, cos if he wants to create a legacy that people will always talk about, he has to fill in the gaps. & he has two big gaps to fill, before he takes on an elite fighter.

Cotto has fought his big domestic rival & obliterated him, why cant Hatton do the same?

[Ethan Trims]

No Cory Spinks, Jermain Taylor, Shannon Briggs....?

Wlad and Vitali most hated? Not even close.

Thats your personal opinion. Not everyones. Dont try to act like what youve seen in your little world applies to everyones.

Your confused.

[BigReg]

Ever see " All in the Family " ??? Meathead was white, but it killed him to credit his own race...He was a liberal geek. Pavlik is American, and the Sac Bee out here has YET to mention his name...but many of the South of the borders who dio not even have a decent record, are always written up ....When Wlad beat Peter, it was not mentioned out here.. MOST minorities do not discredit white fighters...WHITES discredit them. Other sources??? Read some of " bigtime 9 " posts, he was on here, and is now spreading his ant-white trash on another forum...atleast i have had the pleasure of " NOT " seeing him on here.

I'm not from Sacramento(Philly born and raised), but I bet there is a good Latino population out there. It would only make sense to give coverage to Mexican fighters. I bet you those same fighters haven't had multiple appearences on HBO and also weren't studio guests on FNF. Also, you ever think that Wlad doesn't get credit because he's been knocked out 3 times(once by a tomato can, once by a part time golfer, and once by an actual viable contender)? Or that his fight with Peter wasn't mentioned because he got knocked down 3 times, and won mostly because Peter was too tired to throw enough punches, or that people might not like Wlad because people in the states associate him with communism and Ivan Drago?

Read my whole post, every fighter(regardless of race) gets hated on. If you look at past posts on this board, you won't find many prominant fighters who doesnt have his share of critics. If white people were so against white fighters than people like Malinaggi wouldn't get rewarded for getting his ass beat by headling an HBO BAD card(he did nothing but jab in that fight and was rewarded with another headline fight on HBO where he did nothing but jab and throw an occasional cross). People like Gerry Cooney wouldn't be a part of one of the most hyped heavyweight fights in boxing history. If whites hated white fighters so much Rocky Balboa, who isn't even real, wouldn't so beloved.(They even have that big ass statue from Rocky III outisde of the art musuem here in Philly)

[skipdog]

All this was predicted by many Hattons fans on here BEFORE the Castillo fight. Virtually all of the hate come from Americans. Nothing to do with him being white. Ricky is just too rough and tough for their sanitized tastes.

Im a proud American and Rh is one of my favorite fighters of the last ten years. Why? Because he seems like a cool, genuine, everyday kind of cat. He parties, has a good time, etc. When its time to get the job done he works his ass off and handles his business. Think the majority of haters in general are just that hateful and jealous of someones accomplishments. Funny thing at the gym where I train not one non-white person has ever said a kind word about Hatton that I can recall.

[Rock0052]

Damn, that is true as hell.

Agreed. Kostya's bringing his A game tonight

[Expert]

Did they hate on Oscar after his fight with Whittaker, JCC or SRL. These guys were way further out of thier prime when they were matched with ODL then Castillo was against Hatton.



could be but De La Hoya didnt fight that way with Whitaker and JCC

[Kostya Zoo]

The line " I am not white I am 1/16 Native American " was funny as hell, I wish I could shake your hand. I don't know what it's like in your area but there aren't many whites behaving like that in the USA and I have lived everywhere. You may have exceptions to every rule but the majority is nothing like that. But I hope your vision becomes true one day because it would make this a better country along with a better world.

I've found there to be a lot of self-loathing/guilt among white youths evidenced mainly by self-(racially)depricating comments.

[skipdog]

Indeed. Im proud Im half sicilian and half some type of European (never would I call myself white though). What I really am though is American. Just like every other American whether they are yellow, brown, black, red, white, or green. I feel if I said Im white I would be fronting, even though my eyes are blue and my skin is a tannish white. My point is people here in So Cal tend to front they are Mexican or White or Black or Fillipino or whatever. Until that shit stops its hard to call them a fellow American. Im blazed. Im out. Peace.

[Ethan Trims]

Indeed. Im proud Im half sicilian and half some type of European (never would I call myself white though). What I really am though is American. Just like every other American whether they are yellow, brown, black, red, white, or green. I feel if I said Im white I would be fronting, even though my eyes are blue and my skin is a tannish white. My point is people here in So Cal tend to front they are Mexican or White or Black or Fillipino or whatever. Until that shit stops its hard to call them a fellow American. Im blazed. Im out. Peace.

Thats the stigma about Italians.


You could take Al Pacino and have him walk around northern Europe and people would say he's a dark southern italian, not white. But if you had him walk around asia or africa he would be considered a white man.

[Lacyace]

Thats your personal opinion. Not everyones. Dont try to act like what youve seen in your little world applies to everyones.

Your confused.
So who's the most hated boxers? I guarantee the majority would be americans. But I guess I can't share my personal opinion because I live in a little world? And I'm confused?

Edit - After reading this thread I'm supposed to believe that unless a fighter is black and american, white americans won't acknowledge him? Bull.

This is the same america that created white hope after white hope and will unashamedly cheer a foreign boxer over an american boxer. Yeah, it was different back in the days. Back in the days, no way in hell was some foreign boxer being cheered over an american boxer. Now some "fans" wanna claim some boxers are disliked because of being foreign when the most criticized fighters ARE american.

I can't believe someone tried to say I'm confused when I say the most disliked fighters are from america.

[Boom_Boom]

2 reasons
1= he aint USA
2= he's white:-(

you forgot #3

3=because of his dumb fans like you

[Farmboxer]

The hatred for Hatton is became of the same reason they hate, Vladimir Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko, Nicolai Valouev, Chagaev, Ibragimov, both Sultan and Timor, Maskaev, Dimitrenko, Povetkin, Malignaggi, De La Hoya, Calzaghe, etc.

[Brighton bomber]

I'd have to agree that Hatton did get a lot of negative things said about him after the Castillo victory. Some of it is biased in my opinion.

Fact is Castillo was shot or at the very least in serious decline.It was obvious after the first round he wasn't as sharp as he had been when fighting Mayweather and Corrales. So you can't give Hatton the same kudos as if he had beaten Castillo at his best. But people seem to forget how much this fight was in demand earlier this year. Everybody was calling Hatton a fraud if he wouldn't fight Castillo. He did what the fans wanted him to do and fought Castillo, unfortunately it wasn't the version of Castillo we wanted.

Hattons win was a good victory and does cement his dominance at 140lbs but realistically it wasn't a great win but only a good win with a very good name added to his record. He shouldn't be garnishing with all the respect he would get by beating prime Castillo but he shouldn't be vilified for simply making a good fight that we boxng fans have been demanding for sometime. It seems to me that Hatton does have a lot of haters who no matter how he performs or who he beats will always look towards the negative.

[Farmboxer]

Great win, but also it was the "way" he won! Mayweather could not do that, in the first fight Castillo beat the crap out of Mayweather.

[Ethan Trims]

So who's the most hated boxers? I guarantee the majority would be americans. But I guess I can't share my personal opinion because I live in a little world? And I'm confused?

I thought your arguement was about race, not about nationality. Now your argueing americans are the most hated. Are you confused?

Edit - After reading this thread I'm supposed to believe that unless a fighter is black, white americans won't acknowledge him? Bull.

Yeah that definitely isnt completely true, but look at those Boxing4real videos on Youtube and try telling me they arent. There might be a little bit.

This is the same america that created white hope after white hope and will unashamedly cheer a foreign boxer over an american boxer. Yeah, it was different back in the days. Back in the days, no way in hell was some foreign boxer being cheered over an american boxer.

I can't believe someone tried to say I'm confused when I say the most disliked fighters are from america.

Im fairly young so I cant speak for what it is like back in the day. When is the "back in the day" you are talking about. 40's 50's 60's 70's. That is back in the day.

And the most disliked fighter is whoever is the most loud mouthed, rude, disrespectful, or boring.

Taylor, Spinks, Briggs. If these guys were exciting in there most recent boughts they wouldnt have gotten any hate. Well, Spinks is never exciting.

[Ethan Trims]

Oh laylace you might be a little right about the american thing.
Americans arent very popular right now in the world.

[Lacyace]

I thought your arguement was about race, not about nationality. Now your argueing americans are the most hated. Are you confused?
Nope. Race had nothing to do with what I said.

One poster stated that fans hate Hatton because he's white and from the UK. I wasn't even thinking about race, only nationality to prove that isn't true. If I wrote a list of disliked boxers 7/10 would be american. I didn't name a white american boxer because I can't think of a hated white american boxer.

Yeah that definitely isnt completely true, but look at those Boxing4real videos on Youtube and try telling me they arent. There might be a little bit.
No, I agree. Those dudes will obviously pick against the white boxer even though they are white themselves. But when I come to message boards and see which boxers recieve the most criticism, I have to be honest and say it's usually the american ones. Hatton and Calzaghe are notable exceptions.

Im fairly young so I cant speak for what it is like back in the day. When is the "back in the day" you are talking about. 40's 50's 60's 70's. That is back in the day.
Specifically I'm thinking about Louis vs. Schmelling.

And the most disliked fighter is whoever is the most loud mouthed, rude, disrespectful, or boring.

Taylor, Spinks, Briggs. If these guys were exciting in there most recent boughts they wouldnt have gotten any hate. Well, Spinks is never exciting.
Again, I agree. But that's a far more logical conclusion to reach then being hated purely because of race and nationality like the one poster brought up.

Oh laylace you might be a little right about the american thing.
Americans arent very popular right now in the world.
That's what I'm trying to say. America no longer has a sense of nationalistic pride TO hate other boxers from a different nationality. When fans on message boards bring that up I laugh because it's the american boxers being criticized a hell of alot more.

[o_money]

Based on most of these comments I would say that most people aren't fully aware of why they hate hatton, they just do.

The fact is that people hate hatton for the same reason they hate all fighters.........because of the "sorry I just don't buy the hype" factor.

Trust me every fighter in this world that gets hated on gets hated on because a group of people just say "u know what buddy I'm just not buying it"

In my opinion there are a number of factors regarding hatton that make people feel this way (and I say "feel" because getting ripped off is an emotion):

1) He's been over managed most of his career.

2) He's a bloody politician. He's always talking about how he's an all action fighter and how he's got such big hart and all. Whether this is the case or not there's never been any evidence to prove this concretely. The reality is that more then anything he's an intelligent incredibly determined fighter. And people get annoyed when a guy bills himself as gatti and doesn't deliver.

3) He's got a legion of fans that by his propaganda hook line and sinker. Which annoys the hell out of some people.

Don't believe that all fighters are hated on for the same reasons? Just replace Hatton with Floyd Mayweather in everyone of these reasons and watch what happens.....the general premiss works for all.

[o_money]

fuck! Its just too dam bad I always come up with gold when nobody's on here.

peace out yall I'm going to bed.

[o_money]

Great win, but also it was the "way" he won! Mayweather could not do that, in the first fight Castillo beat the crap out of Mayweather.

bad analogy....but hatton did look good.

[ron u.k.]

i've noticed on these boards that quite a lot of the americans give hatton due respect.a lot of the dissing comes from our side of the pond.

[Thom]

Ok. Write down who you think are the current ten most hated boxers in the world and you'll find yourself suprised.


No shit. Most of the boxers that people sit here and bitch and moan about day in and day out aren't white. And to the TS: this is the most shit you've seen a fighter take after a big win on these forums? Really? :-( Why don't you pay more attention from now on. You might be surprised. The most ridiculous claim that I've seen is that of pro-American bias on the part of Hatton's detractors after his victory over a Mexican fighter. :patsch Bitch please, if you believe the locations indicated on our forum members' profiles then a good portion of Hatton's defenders are from the States.


And to the assholes who accuse Hatton critics of racism and continously harp about the purportedly nasty current of "anti-white" racism on the American boxing scene and the greater part of American society, all that I can say is that I wish that I lived in whatever hermetically sealed bubble you do because it's clear that most of you have never experienced any strife in the REAL world.

[Motor City Sam]

Thom is right. Hatton isn't getting criticized because he's white. Regardless of what a few posters have said, the mainstream media (in the US or Europe) is not overly critical of white fighters. In fact, it is more likely to be the opposite.

SOME American media members might be overly critical of Hatton because he is from the UK, but that same thing happened to Lennox until he retired. And he had accomplished a lot more than Hatton has.

[Ramshall1]

I think most of the Hatton hate comes from Fraud Grupies.

The only negative thing to say about him is that he holds a bit too much.

[digiram]

Ok. Write down who you think are the current ten most hated boxers in the world and you'll find yourself suprised.

Top 2 would be Zab Judah and PBF...Both are black and American.

So, don't bring out that race card shit.

[Black Eyes To You]

Hatton beat the dogshit out Castillo. They always say a fighter was washed up when they have their ass handed to them in that fashion. Hatton vs PBF in a small ring :think Suhweet :yep

[Sonny in Dallas]

He has an ass hole promoter in Pellulo, who has his cash cow and will never let it change its course now.

[Pimp C]

I can't remember a fighter taking so much heat after a big win. Damn, people act like Castillo was shot as hell when Hatton ko'ed him.

Did they hate on Oscar after his fight with Whittaker, JCC or SRL. These guys were way further out of thier prime when they were matched with ODL then Castillo was against Hatton.

Give the man respect for a big win. I would rather see a tuff inside fight with some mauling, then see PBF do his best impersonation of dancing with the stars.
I hate his style his delusional fans and his weak resume.

[o_money]

i've noticed on these boards that quite a lot of the americans give hatton due respect.a lot of the dissing comes from our side of the pond.


yup I was on the BBC forum after the fight an it was a hatton massicar. Couldn't understand it. And the nob boxing writer for the BBC gave the 3rd round to castillo. i've watched the fight at least 5 times already (currently in between jobs:D) and can't imagine anyone giving castillo so much as 1 minute of that round let alone the whole round.

[Thom]

sad but true.


You idiots make me sick.

[Triplesod]

You hit the nail on the head, it's purely societal conditioning.

It can easily be compared to standards of beauty. Take someone like Uma Thurman, who is ugly as shit. Most men consider her attractive because they have been societally conditioned to believe that her features are attractive.

Well the same goes for athletes.

That doesn't really make much sense. If most men think she is attractive then, surely she IS attractive? Or do you decide who is attractive or not, meaning majorities are wrong?

I don't mean to be facetious, I just thought I would make my point.

Also, I would really like to hear the guy on the first page's explanation for saying that he thinks most people hate Ricky cause he is British. It was an American who said that and I would like to know why he thinks Britons should be hated.

[DatBo215]

I personally am not a hatton fan. I'm a Puerto Rican from North Philly and my reasons have nothing to do with hatton being white or from the UK. I don;t like hattons style of fighting i feel he grabs to much. I also don't like mayweather because i think he runs to much.
Also hattons resume isn't all that impressive. All his fans say is he beat Kosta... yea yea yea. I don't buy it. He hasn't beat any undefeated fighters, up and comers or big names in there prime. I give him props for the win against castillo, and I honestly thought it would be a tough fight, but Castillo got old over night and it was apparant that he wasn't the same in the middle of the first round. I don't judge fighters based on location or race, i might support more PR and philly fighters, but thats it. Hatton has alot to prove IMO, the last decent fighter he face was callazo at 147 and we all know what happened in that.

[Kostya Zoo]

That doesn't really make much sense. If most men think she is attractive then, surely she IS attractive?

See that's the point. This should be the case, but clearly it isn't.


Or do you decide who is attractive or not, meaning majorities are wrong?

Simple answer: yes. I have an excellent ability to see through the bullshit.
It's an aquired skill. Hang with me and maybe you'll learn a thing or two :smoke

[Kostya Zoo]

You idiots make me sick.

I'm amazed at how much an accusation like that bothers some people.

[Thom]

I'm amazed at how much an accusation like that bothers some people.

Funny, I'm willing to bet that you're the kind of guy who flies off the handle if someone who isn't a straight white Christian male has the gall to blame their lot in life on any type of discrimination, be it real or imagined, or at the very least, you know people who would have that type of visceral reaction to the hypothetical that I just presented.

So ask yourself, are you really shocked that some people, like me, are upset about the claims that the "backlash" (if you want to call it that because in actuality it's no worse than any of the criticism directed at non-white fighters here) against Hatton is racially motivated?

[Rock0052]

[quote=Triplesod]That doesn't really make much sense. If most men think she is attractive then, surely she IS attractive? Or do you decide who is attractive or not, meaning majorities are wrong?
quote]

Attractive is a relative thing, but in Uma's case (and in alot of Hollywood stars cases) I just don't get it. I'm a man whore and I wouldn't hit it. She is a good actress, though.

[David UK]

These people hate hatton so much it is funny. But he keeps on winning...hahahahahah

Exactly!! the more hate is spewed out, the better you know Rick is doing!!:happy :happy :happy

WALKING IN A HATTON WONDERLAND

[Kostya Zoo]

Funny, I'm willing to bet that you're the kind of guy who flies off the handle if someone who isn't a straight white Christian male has the gall to blame their lot in life on any type of discrimination, be it real or imagined, or at the very least, you know people who would have that type of visceral reaction to the hypothetical that I just presented.

Ahahahaha nice verbiage fool. How long did it take you to put this shit together?

And no, it's not funny. Making crass assumptions about people you don't know is purely ignorant. You obviously profiled me based on my username and avatar. I can assure you that I don't fall into your little category. And most people I know would have that "visceral reaction to the hypothetical" (again...hahahahaha :lol:) as long as you replace "straight white Christian male" with "black man."


So ask yourself, are you really shocked that some people, like me, are upset about the claims that the "backlash" (if you want to call it that because in actuality it's no worse than any of the criticism directed at non-white fighters here) against Hatton is racially motivated?
Yes, I am shocked. Everyone plays the race card. The crack head on my street is still convinced that every black cop in the city is sidin. It's a natural human reaction to do so when the slightest possibility of it actually exists.

In the case of Hatton, he's a minority in the sport and from an atypical background. You know what that means? If he gets criticized, the first thing that pops into people's heads are those 2 things: minority and background status. Understand now, braniac?

You still upset?