View Full Version : Tarver vs Jones 1----how did you have it?
JoeyP
06-27-2007, 12:26 AM
Very simple poll---5 choices--please discuss your opinion.
Johnnyblaze
06-27-2007, 12:30 AM
on the ropes it was one fight, in the center of the ring it was a totally different fight. tarver didn't do enough to win, plain and simple. he could have, but didn't.
RAMPAGE0017
06-27-2007, 12:30 AM
Been a while since I saw the fight, but at the time I remember not being too sure about it, so I chose " draw ".
JoeyP
06-27-2007, 12:31 AM
on the ropes it was one fight, in the center of the ring it was a totally different fight. tarver didn't do enough to win, plain and simple. he could have, but didn't.
I agree with this completely. I had it Jones 7-5.
JoeyP
JoeyP
06-27-2007, 12:33 AM
You son of a bitch.....:fire
What's up with that? I am interested in everyone else's opinion from the FACT that Jones did win---or that Tarver didn't do enough to win.
Besides, why don't you show some maturity instead of name calling?
JoeyP
Johnnyblaze
06-27-2007, 12:35 AM
i also feel in their 3rd fight, jones could have and should have done more. he could have won that fight easily, but his confidence was all fucked up. he pissed me off in that fight, but hey, what can you do?
just thought i'd throw that in there.
JoeyP
06-27-2007, 12:37 AM
i also feel in their 3rd fight, jones could have and should have done more. he could have won that fight easily, but his confidence was all fucked up. he pissed me off in that fight, but hey, what can you do?
just thought i'd throw that in there.
Again I agree--I thought Jones had him hurt in the 4th/5th round and was to scared to follow up with it.
I picked wide decision because I had Jones winning 116-112
Johnnyblaze
06-27-2007, 12:47 AM
i remember watching tarver celebrate after the first fight and i was thinking "why the fuck is he celebrating?". then he was crying like a bitch after the decision. he really thought he won that fight. lol.
WhataRock
06-27-2007, 01:14 AM
Jones won it but he looked shot.
Tarver basically gave him the fight by not putting enough pressure on, though it was obvious Roy looked weakened.
Tarver won some rounds bigger but didnt win enough rounds to get the decision.
Snakefist
06-27-2007, 01:25 AM
What I don't understand is how they said Roy had a glass jaw after the second fight. He clearly got hit by a punch on his blind side right on the temple. In the first fight he ate all of Tarvers punches and he wasn't even hurt throughout and pulled many of the rounds, he showed heart in that fight. Unfortunately If I was Roy I would've stayed heavy and told tarver to meet him on his terms at heavy, or SAID screw Tarver and just go for it with Lewis. Win or Lose he would gained more out of it, fighting someone that big and good.
BTW I had Roy winning by about 3 rounds or so I believe.
codeman99998
06-27-2007, 01:53 AM
It was a loss for Tarver, but a very telling loss. I had Jones winning, but if the fight were 15 rounds I think Tarver would have won, probably by KO. Also, even though I did have Jones winning, it was very clear that Tarver did more damage than Roy. Fights are scored on a 10 point must round system, so Roy won, but Tarver beat him up.
codeman99998
06-27-2007, 01:55 AM
What I don't understand is how they said Roy had a glass jaw after the second fight. He clearly got hit by a punch on his blind side right on the temple. In the first fight he ate all of Tarvers punches and he wasn't even hurt throughout and pulled many of the rounds, he showed heart in that fight. Unfortunately If I was Roy I would've stayed heavy and told tarver to meet him on his terms at heavy, or SAID screw Tarver and just go for it with Lewis. Win or Lose he would gained more out of it, fighting someone that big and good.
BTW I had Roy winning by about 3 rounds or so I believe. Truly, Roy took a LOT of punishment in the first Tarver fight. I honestly believe that the first Tarver fight took a lot from his chin forever. It is tough for some fighters to recover from hard beatings.
What's up with that? I am interested in everyone else's opinion from the FACT that Jones did win---or that Tarver didn't do enough to win.
Besides, why don't you show some maturity instead of name calling?
JoeyP
Because that would be far too intelligent for him. Jones won it no question, the only contraversy was that it was the closest fight of his career at that stage.
.trunzx
06-27-2007, 02:02 AM
Close but clear jones victory.
Liston3
06-27-2007, 04:14 AM
I had it Jones Jr. 115-113, Close but Clear victory at worst for Jones, no way in hell did tarver win that fight
Senya13
06-27-2007, 05:01 AM
116-112 or 117-111
jyuza
06-27-2007, 05:25 AM
I had Jones by small margin, 115-113.
There was a rematch so that speaks for itself, the fight was close.
achillesthegreat
06-27-2007, 08:43 AM
Jones won 7-5 or 8-4. That was probably his last great fight. He was sub par but used all his moves to pull it out of the bag. He should have retired after that.
JoeyP
06-27-2007, 09:58 AM
You son of a bitch.....:fire
Wow Dipper--this isn't even close. Maybe you should go back and watch the fight with the volume turned off and give us your score. I'm sure you will find some reason why you can't do that---If you can't find the fight, I can even send you a copy of it on dvd
Jones close 1-3 rounds simply because Roy got lazy at times and allowed Tarver to throw bombs at him while he was at the ropes. However, when the fight was in the middle of the ring Tarver looked like a fool. If Tarver looked impressive at times in that first fight then it's because Roy ALLOWED him to by going to the ropes. Roy won fair and square.
Jones won 7-5 or 8-4. That was probably his last great fight. He was sub par but used all his moves to pull it out of the bag. He should have retired after that.
Totally agree with you here.
Brighton bomber
06-27-2007, 10:16 AM
I originally scored the fight a draw at the time. I have watched that fight at least 15 times and at the best it was a draw for Tarver. But I couldn't seen how anybody could give Tarver the victory he simply didn't do enough in enough rounds to win on the score cards.
If anybody won it, it was Jones as having watched the fight on numerous occaisons I can see how some would give it to RJJ by a couple of rounds. I think the fight was there for the taking that night for Tarver but he blew it by simply not doing enough. He lost too many rounds by simply doing nothing and that really decided the outcome of the fight. I had the impression that had Tarver simply worked a little harder he would have beaten Jones that night.
Lampley
06-27-2007, 10:23 AM
I watched this fight again last week and scored it a draw. That was probably the best you could do for Tarver, while one or two of the close rounds I edged for him this time could have gone for Jones.
Antonio should have won, Roy was there to be had, but he failed to deliver.
Thread Stealer
06-27-2007, 10:38 AM
Jones won it fairly. Close, but he won it 7-5.
Tarver spent too many rounds in the middle of the ring doing nothing but stare at Jones, too patient, and leary of Jones's bodywork.
It came a few months after Lewis-Klitschko, and I've always felt that these are two of the most overrated losing performances in recent years, but Tarver's was even more overrated. At least Vitali took more risks when he lost.
Credit where it's due, Jones won the last few rounds. however, I thought that Tarver had enought rounds in the bag in the first half of the fight to just nick it.
That said, it was not a robbery or owt like that. also, it was easy to judge
Jones harshly because I simply wasn't used to seeing such a flat footed performamce from him. So, that might have skewed my judgement.
fightking12
06-27-2007, 01:10 PM
I see Jones winning the last couple of rounds
justaboxingfan
06-27-2007, 01:26 PM
I had it 7-5 for Jones. I don't see how Tarver won that fight but I guess when you're RJJ and you look amazing against your competition, a close fight by comparison kinda looks like a loss. He didn't 'shine' like most of his other fights so people thought he didn't deserve to win. I just wish he would have retired after the first tarver fight and cemented his legacy as one of the greatest. 49-1, defeating all challengers, a 4-division champ and the first middleweight to win a HW title in 100 years. WOW
DamonD
06-27-2007, 01:27 PM
I thought it was a close but legit win for Jones, he was just able to step it up late when he needed it most. I understand Tarver being pissed because it was close, but in those last two or three rounds he just didn't quite do enough.
ssabripo
06-27-2007, 01:40 PM
7-5 jones.
the 11th and 12th rounds were the decisive one for me, and Jones pulled it out with pure gut and heart. If tarver would have sustained an attack he would have won, but jones controlled the middle of the ring and really stepped it up with whatever little he had left.
Danny Ocean
06-27-2007, 01:45 PM
tarver did not win 7 rounds in that fight
Thread Stealer
06-27-2007, 01:46 PM
tarver did not win 6 rounds in that fight
Agreed.
Ramshall1
06-27-2007, 03:41 PM
I had Tarver winning a close one. Reminded me of Hagler-SRL a bit. . . of course I had Hagler winning that one too.
JoeyP
06-27-2007, 04:53 PM
Wow---this is not even close. Where's Dipper now?
lefthook
06-27-2007, 05:11 PM
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JoeyP
06-28-2007, 11:13 PM
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Thanks for posting this---
After watching it again I was amazed that RJJ won this fight bigger than I originally scored. I had it:
Tarver
rounds--1,2,8,10
Jones
3,4,5,6,7,9,11,12
Tarver blew this fight in the third when he thought he would try to clown and dance with Roy and Roy beat him to the punch in the center of the ring because of it. There were a few close rounds late but if you watch they are only close because Tarve would through combos for 20-30 seconds while RJJ was on the ropes and the rest of the round Roy would own him in the center of the ring. When it came down to it, Tarver did not do enough nor did he take advantage of ROy being tired in the ring---
DIPPER-------
I CHALLENGE YOU TO WATCH THIS FIGHT AND POST YOUR SCORES ROUND BY ROUND!
JoeyP
116-112 or 115-113 Jones. Couldn't see Tarver winning 6 rounds let alone 7.
DaHead242
06-28-2007, 11:24 PM
jones 116-112
You can even argue that Jones won the first round, even though Tarver did nothing but that one flurry.
Mind Reader
06-28-2007, 11:50 PM
I had jones up a round before the 11th and 12th which i gave both to Jones. Was nice to see him step up to the plate in those final rounds. Tarver was either very fatigued or he thought he had it in the bag because he didn't to a damn thing in the last couple of rounds. Jones won that fight with body attacking, which to some people its harder to notice a good body attack as opposed to someone going upstairs. Tarver was bragging that he didn't have a mark on his face, i wonder what his body was feeling like lol.
JoeyP
06-29-2007, 02:28 AM
I wanted to add something else as well--for those that think RJJ has a glass jaw I think you need to think again after watching this fight. Tarver landed some huge bombs on RJJ in this one and it's no wonder Jones looked as bad as he did after. But I agree with Mind Reader--I bet Tarver's body and ribs were sore as hell for awhile.
JoeyP
Rumsfeld
06-29-2007, 09:08 AM
I think Roy Jones is one of the biggest wastes of talent--EVER!
That said, this was one of the rare occassions where he stepped it up. He won the bout by taking the championship rounds. Before that, it was even at 5 apiece.
RJJ 115-113.
:smoke
OBCboxer
06-29-2007, 09:27 AM
Hey Dipper Brown posted in this forum, what a suprise!
JoeyP
06-29-2007, 09:57 AM
I think Roy Jones is one of the biggest wastes of talent--EVER!
That said, this was one of the rare occassions where he stepped it up. He won the bout by taking the championship rounds. Before that, it was even at 5 apiece.
RJJ 115-113.
:smoke
Wow--I disagree with that---a guy that won championships at 4 weight classes is a waste of talent? The only real fight missing from his resume is DM at 175. I think the blame for that is 50/50.
JoeyP
JoeyP
06-29-2007, 09:58 AM
I wonder who had Tarver by Wide UD??? I'd love to see that scorecard
Rumsfeld
06-29-2007, 10:22 AM
Wow--I disagree with that---a guy that won championships at 4 weight classes is a waste of talent? The only real fight missing from his resume is DM at 175. I think the blame for that is 50/50.
JoeyP
Yes, I think he's a waste of talent, and it goes beyond DM.
Roy made a career out of choosing the path of least resistance, and in doing so, he cheated himself, the fans, and the sport.
JoeyP
06-29-2007, 10:30 AM
Yes, I think he's a waste of talent, and it goes beyond DM.
Roy made a career out of choosing the path of least resistance, and in doing so, he cheated himself, the fans, and the sport.
It's very easy to say that. But he also has a few nice signature wins as well. Beating Bhop and Toney. Sure there are a few other fights he could have taken at 168 but he already beat the guy considered to be the very best at that weight and he beat him very easily. I think you could add the Ruiz win as well considering he started at 160.
Imperial1
06-29-2007, 10:43 AM
Yes, I think he's a waste of talent, and it goes beyond DM.
Roy made a career out of choosing the path of least resistance, and in doing so, he cheated himself, the fans, and the sport.
Your in the minority here ..DM would have done nothing for his legacy nada !
His path of least resistant was paved with Hopkins Toney cleaning out divisions and capturing a HW title ..Yup that qualifies as a "Waste of Talent " !:patsch
Sweet Jones
06-29-2007, 12:24 PM
Jones won it fairly. Close, but he won it 7-5.
Tarver spent too many rounds in the middle of the ring doing nothing but stare at Jones, too patient, and leary of Jones's bodywork.
It came a few months after Lewis-Klitschko, and I've always felt that these are two of the most overrated losing performances in recent years, but Tarver's was even more overrated. At least Vitali took more risks when he lost.
That's one of the forgotten aspects of that fight. RJJ punished Tarver to the body, which was one of the main reasons Tarver couldn't get an obviously diminished (compared to previous fights) RJJ out of there.
Waiting for DIPPER TO POST HIS CARD!!!!
JoeyP
07-11-2007, 04:06 PM
Dipper----
Post Your Round By Round Card Or Never, Ever Again Claim That Tarver Won This Fight!!!! It's Time To Put Up Or Shut Up!
Danny Ocean
07-11-2007, 04:09 PM
this fight shouldnt even be close on the cards jones clearly won 7 rounds
Imperial1
07-11-2007, 04:10 PM
Yes, I think he's a waste of talent, and it goes beyond DM.
Roy made a career out of choosing the path of least resistance, and in doing so, he cheated himself, the fans, and the sport.
If he cheated the fans and the sport he would never be held in such high regard ..His wins over the carefully chosen oppoenents like the enmost of the lt heavy weight division and hopkins and toney sure make him one of boxing's best cherry pickers don't it ?
PolishPummler
07-11-2007, 04:12 PM
Easily 8-4 Jones.
kg0208
07-11-2007, 04:13 PM
Yes, I think he's a waste of talent, and it goes beyond DM.
Roy made a career out of choosing the path of least resistance, and in doing so, he cheated himself, the fans, and the sport.
Is that why you wrote that ridiculous article?
PolishPummler
07-11-2007, 04:16 PM
That's funny Dipper/BRAWLER when you discuss Jones vs Tarver on other threads you claim Tarver DOMINATED all 3 fights yet you have him winning the first fight by a close decision....hmmm.
I think the people have spoken on this one.NO WAY IN HELL DID TARVER WIN THE FIRST ONE.I think the only reason some people claim Tarver won is because it was the first time Roy looked lathargic,slow,vulnerable and beatable but he still didnt lose.
JoeyP
07-11-2007, 04:46 PM
OK, I will tommorow.
I may even do a round by round.
DIPPER_--
Did you chicken out and realize that Jones did indeed win this fight and decide NOT to post your round by round card?
Before the board crashed last time, your excuse was that you didn't have a copy of the fight to watch again and post your score card------
WHATS YOUR EXCUSE NOW??????
ChampionsForever
07-11-2007, 04:59 PM
Jones-Tarver 1 is the worst example of a robbery ever, its a clear win for Jones Tarver only had luck he he backed him up on the ropes which he didnt do that often. Jones won it easily.
*BOX_FAN*
07-11-2007, 05:37 PM
RJJ 115-113 Tarver.
PolishPummler
07-11-2007, 06:01 PM
Jones-Tarver 1 is the worst example of a robbery ever, its a clear win for Jones Tarver only had luck he he backed him up on the ropes which he didnt do that often. Jones won it easily.
It wasnt a robbery as Jones did win the fight on the cards.
brooklyn1550
07-11-2007, 06:06 PM
7-5 Roy, I could see 8-4 too...Roy didn't look too good at all, but I though he won the fight
Imperial1
07-11-2007, 07:59 PM
Funny that in this fight Roy was weight drained and took double the flush shots from Tarver and still manged to win win 7 rds to 4 ..Not bad for a glass chin fighter ..
JoeyP
07-11-2007, 08:21 PM
Dipper___no Balls
aliwasthegreatest
07-11-2007, 08:31 PM
gotta say just watched the 12th round again and roy showed heart for the first and perhaps only time in his career
Imperial1
07-11-2007, 09:01 PM
gotta say just watched the 12th round again and roy showed heart for the first and perhaps only time in his career
This was only because he was drained imo .But he showed tremendous resolve in this fight ..
KO Boxing
07-11-2007, 09:16 PM
Waiting for Dipper.
:lol:
JoeyP
07-12-2007, 05:22 PM
If anyone sees Dipper posting elsewhere, please refer him to this thread.
Thanks,
JoeyP
Fab2333
07-12-2007, 06:09 PM
i also feel in their 3rd fight, jones could have and should have done more. he could have won that fight easily, but his confidence was all fucked up. he pissed me off in that fight, but hey, what can you do?
just thought i'd throw that in there.
same here, I was tight watchin that fight b/c that night Roy had his speed, reflexes, footwork all back. And he hit Antonio at will. But he was to gun shy. If you watch the 5th round over he did hurt Tarver. The 1st time in all the fights when Roy actually fought Tarver off of him when he was on the rops, If you watch that part. you will see that Tarver was hurt. His knee buckled when he fell into the ropes. at that moment in time Tarver was hurt. Roy backed off of him for what reason I dont know.
About the 1st fight I cant remember xactly how it went b/c I havent seen it ina while. But I did think If i remembered right that I ahd Roy winning by like 2 or 3 rounds
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