Aaron Pryor vs Floyd at 140

[chimba]

This would have been some fight...One of the few matchups that I think Floyd doesnt have his usual advantages. Pretty much the same both their natural weight. Pryors workrate and speed and just plain tenacity could give Floyd Trouble. I think its a great matchup. Id take Pryor though UD possible KO though its hard to say since seing Floyd Ko is hard to concieve

[brooklyn1550]

Aaron Pryor by UD

[chimba]

Aaron Pryor by UD

Why do you think Brooklyn?..is it just because of styles..Frankly PBF is regarded as arguably a greater fighter than Pryor already

[Toopretty]

Aaron Pryor by late stoppage. Floyd would get overwhelmed and frustrated with a knock out crazed indestructible Pryor in front of him for 12.

[MagnificentMatt]

Floyd admits that Aaron Pryor is one of the people that would give him a toguht fight...

With that in mind UD for Pryor.

[Toopretty]

Why do you think Brooklyn?..is it just because of styles..Frankly PBF is regarded as arguably a greater fighter than Pryor already

Styles make fights. Pryor can keep up with Floyds movement and effectively stay in his face.

[Amsterdam]

I'll take Pryor mid rounds KO. Pryor has the right type of constant pressure that will trouble Floyd and also has the power to put him away and finish him.

I also think Pryor wins every round.

[brooklyn1550]

Why do you think Brooklyn?..is it just because of styles..Frankly PBF is regarded as arguably a greater fighter than Pryor already

Floyd's accomplishments have already surpassed Aaron's, but head to head, I think Aaron's ferocity, pressure, and workrate would be too much. He would rough Floyd up...

[KO Boxing]

Now that the first few posts have made it the consensus that Pryor not only wins, but apparently does it easilly, there's not really much point to add anything.

I'd favour Pryor 60-65%, because I agree that this is a fight based on styles. But Pryor winning every round and stopping Floyd mid-way?

Peace :hi:

[KO Boxing]

I agree with Sweet Pea, and starting writing my post at the same time as his.

[Toopretty]

Pryor was damned near superman at 140. B/c he knocked everybody the fuck out and he was not beaten. The way he fought would give any style fighter problems he was not one dimensional in the slightest and could go on mad crazy attack or box whenever he felt like it and his stamina was unreal and he was fast of hands and feet and could cut off the ring and was as tenacious as they come. I think head to head its hard to pick a guy at 140 that beats him. I think Sugar Ray would agree.

[chimba]

I agree with Sweet Pea, and starting writing my post at the same time as his.

Damn Sweet Pea and Brooklyn...always stealing our juice:rofl

[chimba]

Pryor was damned near superman at 140. B/c he knocked everybody the fuck out and he was not beaten. The way he fought would give any style fighter problems he was not one dimensional in the slightest and could go on mad crazy attack or box whenever he felt like it and his stamina was unreal and he was fast of hands and feet and could cut off the ring and was as tenacious as they come. I think head to head its hard to pick a guy at 140 that beats him. I think Sugar Ray would agree.

True enough...Just watch his AM fight with Hearns..He was dictating the fight:shock:

[Amsterdam]

I have to disagree very much. If Arguello could last as long as he did without Floyd's speed or defense, taking the shots he did, I believe Fully that Floyd would last the distance, as he would likely be landing more clean punches on the less than great defensive Pryor than Arguello did. Floyd's speed gives him that edge. But I'd still take Pryor.

I'm not making Pryor out to be a superman. Floyd has a good chin, but IMO, not a great one and he's going to eat more shots here than he ever did due to styles. If Castillo could land on Floyd well enough, then Pryor is going to really be landing here during the in fighting.

We also have evidence that Floyd was stunned by both Corley and Judah, two lesser punchers than Pryor.

I think Pryor would take him out, it's my personal view, it's not a big deal. Pryor can be overrated at times, but he has this one in the bag due to styles and intangibles.

[brooklyn1550]

At 140, I would pick Duran and Whitaker to beat him. I think he beats Chavez, Benitez, Loi, Locche, Tszyu, and Mayweather.

[sthomas]

Pryor would TKO Floyd @ 140. If not TKO it would be a brutal KO by Pryor. That dude was amazing.

[Amsterdam]

I think at 147 Leonard beats him. But at 140, I'd take Whitaker, Duran, Benitez, etc. as good possibilities to beat him. Also a style like his such as Armstrong's could do it.

I'd take him over Benitez, close but clear.

Duran takes him out late.

Whitaker beats him to a close decision.

Don't bring in a stone age guy like Armstrong, he doesn't last but a round or two.

[BigReg]

I'm not making Pryor out to be a superman. Floyd has a good chin, but IMO, not a great one and he's going to eat more shots here than he ever did due to styles. If Castillo could land on Floyd well enough, then Pryor is going to really be landing here during the in fighting.

We also have evidence that Floyd was stunned by both Corley and Judah, two lesser punchers than Pryor.

I think Pryor would take him out, it's my personal view, it's not a big deal. Pryor can be overrated at times, but he has this one in the bag due to styles and intangibles.

Judah never stunned Floyd

[Amsterdam]

At 140, I would pick Duran and Whitaker to beat him. I think he beats Chavez, Benitez, Loi, Locche, Tszyu, and Mayweather.

Definitley, I agree with this. He KO's Tszyu, Locche and perhaps even stops Chavez late and I've already posted my thoughts on mayweather.

[chimba]

Judah never stunned Floyd

Bigreg cmon man you saw the fight?

[Amsterdam]

Judah never stunned Floyd

Yes he did, 3rd round, lands a big straight left and Floyd gets driven back to the ropes stunned but shakes it off in about 5-7 seconds. Judah had the oppurtunity there to follow up and really hurt or drop him, but Floyd's defence prevented this.

[Amsterdam]

:roll: Watch him fight, he fought very similar to Pryor. Seriously, Pryor didn't have better technical boxing than Armstrong at all, you're giving him the edge because he is more modern, even though his style was just as unorthodox.

I have watched him fight, Pryor is vastly superior.

[BigReg]

Bigreg cmon man you saw the fight?

I sure did and I was rooting for Judah, but he never stunned Floyd. Floyd was coming in off balance and got caught and stumbled backwards while off balance. If he was stunned he wouldn't have been able to keep himself from falling down using his glove like he did.

[chimba]

But if we're being serious, that was nowhere near the Hearns he would turn out to be, he had like 12 KO's in 200 fights as an Amateur, compared to his amazing pro career. Also, he was much smaller and he was younger than Pryor by about 4 years, just 17. A prime, pro Hearns by KTFO.

Why you gotta do me ugly like than man:D

[brooklyn1550]

I sure did and I was rooting for Judah, but he never stunned Floyd. Floyd was coming in off balance and got caught and stumbled backwards while off balance. If he was stunned he wouldn't have been able to keep himself from falling down using his glove like he did.

Judah stunned him with a straight left....it wasn't terribly serious, but Floyd was stunned.

[BigReg]

Yes he did, 3rd round, lands a big straight left and Floyd gets driven back to the ropes stunned but shakes it off in about 5-7 seconds. Judah had the oppurtunity there to follow up and really hurt or drop him, but Floyd's defence prevented this.

I'll have to watch it again. I remember Floyd covering up, but I don't think he was stunned. Corley definately stunned him. He drove Floyd to the ropes with a flush hook, and hit him again with a straight right that Floyd couldn't block.

[KO Boxing]

Bigreg cmon man you saw the fight?
He was certainly stunned, but much in the same way as the Corley fight, he never really seemed in danger.

Not touching the canvas barring a glove in one fight (realistically 2 fights) in an entire career (38 fights, 6 world titles, 5 weight divisions) that has included some good punchers (Corrales at 130, Castillo and even N'dou at 135, and Dela Hoya at 154 carries power to a natural 130 pounder) proves a damn solid chin.

One punch ain't stoppin' Floyd, unless it's a "Jackson-like punch". You'll have to absolutely beat him down to stop him, and with his skills and defence, that's gonna be damn hard.

If Pryor were to take this one, he'd do it by decision (out-working Floyd).

[chimba]

:roll: Watch him fight, he fought very similar to Pryor. Seriously, Pryor didn't have better technical boxing than Armstrong at all, you're giving him the edge because he is more modern, even though his style was just as unorthodox.

Speaking of Armstong..did you know that two filipino fighters went to a draw with him..Ceferino Garcia and Kid Moro who drew him 3 times. Great fighter from the islands back then..were having a ressurgence now

[brooklyn1550]

It's been a while since I've seen an Armstrong fight on ESPN Classic, but didn't most people disagree with the draw against Garcia?

[chimba]

It's been a while since I've seen an Armstrong fight on ESPN Classic, but didn't most people disagree with the draw against Garcia?

Im not sure just got this from a trivia..He did lose to Hank though...he was one of those mysterious guys...Dempsey supposedly trained him for some fights.. Beat lots of guys KO of Ross to win the crown, Apostoli..Glen lee ...Disappeared for a while

[brooklyn1550]

Chimba...what does your list (top 5 or so) look like for the greatest Filipino fighters?

[Amsterdam]

Yezzir. Most seem to think he should've gotten the W, which would've been something had he.

Hilarious how the regard of a fighter rests in the hands of incompetent judges. If most think he won, that should be taken into consideration greatly.

I can't believe people who actually count the draw vs. Chavez as an actual draw and not a 9-3 win for Pea. Sick.

[chimba]

Chimba...what does your list (top 5 or so) look like for the greatest Filipino fighters?

1 Pancho Villa Making the Greatest Fly Wilde Quit..nuff said Died at 24
2 Elorde...Beating the great Saddler..Losing to ortiz sure giving up 20 lbs plz

3 Garcia just from the guys hes beaten
4 Manny PAC
5 Luisito Espinosa..What a fighter..never got the credit..very underrated, long lean and powerful...he would have given PAC hell

Note that Elorde changed boxing..he invented the footwork that Ali Popularized. Few people know this. You look at all filipino boxers, they all have the sme style..Manny Pac is one of the few anomalies

[brooklyn1550]

1 Pancho Villa Making the Greatest Fly Wilde Quit..nuff said Died at 24
2 Elorde...Beating the great Saddler..Losing to ortiz sure giving up 20 lbs plz

3 Garcia just from the guys hes beaten
4 Manny PAC
5 Luisito Espinosa..What a fighter..never got the credit..very underrated, long lean and powerful...he would have given PAC hell

I like this list as well as the mention of Espinosa. He doesn't get taked about much. If it were me, I would switch Manny and Ceferino, but either way is fine....Pac still has time to enhance his legacy.

Villa died too young:-(

Where does Penalosa rank? Top 6-7?

[igotJUIC3]

Im going with PBF in a SD......just because it seems everyone loves Pryor and i recognize Pryor as the beast he is but Floyd is a beast as well no way does he not do his homework and come in with a fight plan.....at 140 i guess is where you guys are placing the fight i think floyd counters the pressure with pressure. Floys as a very good chin and is just a good a boxer as Pryor if not slightly better and in speed. Floyd's footwork is well above good and i think he could definitely get himself out of trouble. Although its not a wasy fight by no means i think PBF posses the talent to win a SD maybe just maybe even get a UD. Just a different oppinion from the rest.

[chimba]

I like this list as well as the mention of Espinosa. He doesn't get taked about much. If it were me, I would switch Manny and Ceferino, but either way is fine....Pac still has time to enhance his legacy.

Villa died too young:-(

Where does Penalosa rank? Top 6-7?

I have to rank Gerry in the top 10.. I love Rolando Navarette..man he could have been the MAN..so damn talented but sick in the head.

Watch out for this kid Banal

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latest fight..man the poise and the Power..this kid has hammer for fists...hes going to be a champ soon check 1:21 how he cut the ring off...18 Years old!

[brooklyn1550]

I'm hearing nothing but good things about Banal...let's hope he doesn't suffer the same fate as Boom Boom when he steps it up in a few years.

[Amsterdam]

I'm hearing nothing but good things about Banal...let's hope he doesn't suffer the same fate as Boom Boom when he steps it up in a few years.

:yep

I have this feeling that we're looking at the same situation with a different guy. Boom boom is certainly a candidate for worst chin of 2007, last year going to Litzau of course.

You know - I have to give Fraudley the #1 award though for the worst chin of 07.

[brooklyn1550]

:yep

I have this feeling that we're looking at the same situation with a different guy. Boom boom is certainly a candidate for worst chin of 2007, last year going to Litzau of course.

You know - I have to give Fraudley the #1 award though for the worst chin of 07.

:lol: You were all over Bautista after the 1st round KO loss...

Any early picks for 2008?

[chimba]

:yep

I have this feeling that we're looking at the same situation with a different guy. Boom boom is certainly a candidate for worst chin of 2007, last year going to Litzau of course.

You know - I have to give Fraudley the #1 award though for the worst chin of 07.

Banal is a Blue chip prospect..whilst Rey was hyped for Ponce...most these guys like Donaire, Mayol, Gorres, Conception.. theyre good but they are not blue chips that GBP/Arum keeps a close eye on like Glen Gonzales and Banal

[BlueApollo]

You'll excuse my erudite analysis, I'm busy tonight... Pryor.

[C Money]

I'll take my 80's cats Argurello, Pryor, Hearns, Leonard,a nd hagler over whatever verison of Floyd you put out.


:yep

[JustinD]

I sure did and I was rooting for Judah, but he never stunned Floyd. Floyd was coming in off balance and got caught and stumbled backwards while off balance. If he was stunned he wouldn't have been able to keep himself from falling down using his glove like he did.

It should have been ruled a knockdown.