Do you believe in Evander Holyfield??

[compukiller]

I do:deal


Holyfield TKO11 Sultan:good

[jazzysoul06]

Why I Feel Holyfield has a chance to win this weekend.

When people hear that Holyfield is fighting for a title this weekend, several things typically come to mind in most.

1. He's too old at 44 years old (45 next week).
2. Who has he fought to deserve a title shot?
3. Wasn't he banned from fighting because he was so terrible a few years back?
4. Listen to him talk, he shouldn't be fighting.

However all of those are, while seemingly logical at face value, inherently flawed.

First of all, the fact that he's 44 is irrelevant. George Foreman defeated Michael Moorer for a belt years back when he was already 45, and a lot of people would argue that Moorer was a helluva lot better than Sultan Ibragimov.

Secondly, he hasn't fought anyone? That's more an indictment of the heavyweight division competition than Holyfield. He's fought who has been put in front of him, and he's stepped in when the original opponent dropped out. It's not Holyfield's fault that the only legitimately decent opponents were already fighting people.

Thirdly, he was banned because he went through a losing streak and got outfought by Larry Donald several years ago. This was because Holyfield had a shoulder injury that he never let heal He kept fighting because he realized he was getting older, and as he kept fighting, the shoulder kept getting worse culminating in the Donald fiasco. So he was off for two years, the shoulder is completely healed, and if you've seen any of his comeback fights, you'd notice that his skills are back. He's not as fast as he used to be, but he's able to fight again. The Shoulder injury threw off his reflexes and speed.

Now that he's 100% he's able to fight again and there's no issues.

As for his slurred speech, and whatnot, he's passed all the tests he's been given.

As for the fight, he's not fighting Wladimir Klitschko here. He's fighting Sultan Ibragimov, who while a decent fighter, is not the type of fighter you have to really worry about. His power is alright, nothing spectacular, his boxing skills are admirable but once again, not anything amazing. If anything, out of the belt holders, I feel Holyfield's best chances would have been against Ruslan Chagaev or Ibragimov. I don't think he defeats Wlad, who is just too big and too strong for him, and I'm not sure how he would face against Samuel Peter either, who I think may be a bit too strong for him, although his endurance leave something to be desired.

Bottom line is this. I absolutely think Holyfield can go to Russia and win the belt. There's always the chance that the American Fighter will get screwed over in the judging, which has happened numerous times in Russia and Germany (which is why a lot of US fighters won't go there), but I think that not only does Holyfield have a shot at winning, I don't think that Ibragimov has the power to hurt him very bad.

[hitman_hatton1]

not sure if he wins. :-(

i don't think much of ibragimov though. :bart

and knowing holyfield's career u never can write the man off too easy. :yep

[jonesjrp4p1]

may i ask why u have a pic of vitali naked please tell me an avatar bet

yes i do believe in the real deal by ud

[Ambition_Def]

Hey fuck that!

At least Ibragimov had intentions of fighting Chagaev. Holyfield wants his first defense to be fucking Golota!

NO NO NO!

Ibragimov TKO 6 Holyfield!

[sues2nd]

I do:deal


Holyfield TKO11 Sultan:good

:happy

Looks like no avatar bet for us this time around!!!

[doublesuited]

Think Drago vs. Creed.

[compukiller]

Why I Feel Holyfield has a chance to win this weekend.

When people hear that Holyfield is fighting for a title this weekend, several things typically come to mind in most.

1. He's too old at 44 years old (45 next week).
2. Who has he fought to deserve a title shot?
3. Wasn't he banned from fighting because he was so terrible a few years back?
4. Listen to him talk, he shouldn't be fighting.

However all of those are, while seemingly logical at face value, inherently flawed.

First of all, the fact that he's 44 is irrelevant. George Foreman defeated Michael Moorer for a belt years back when he was already 45, and a lot of people would argue that Moorer was a helluva lot better than Sultan Ibragimov.

Secondly, he hasn't fought anyone? That's more an indictment of the heavyweight division competition than Holyfield. He's fought who has been put in front of him, and he's stepped in when the original opponent dropped out. It's not Holyfield's fault that the only legitimately decent opponents were already fighting people.

Thirdly, he was banned because he went through a losing streak and got outfought by Larry Donald several years ago. This was because Holyfield had a shoulder injury that he never let heal He kept fighting because he realized he was getting older, and as he kept fighting, the shoulder kept getting worse culminating in the Donald fiasco. So he was off for two years, the shoulder is completely healed, and if you've seen any of his comeback fights, you'd notice that his skills are back. He's not as fast as he used to be, but he's able to fight again. The Shoulder injury threw off his reflexes and speed.

Now that he's 100% he's able to fight again and there's no issues.

As for his slurred speech, and whatnot, he's passed all the tests he's been given.

As for the fight, he's not fighting Wladimir Klitschko here. He's fighting Sultan Ibragimov, who while a decent fighter, is not the type of fighter you have to really worry about. His power is alright, nothing spectacular, his boxing skills are admirable but once again, not anything amazing. If anything, out of the belt holders, I feel Holyfield's best chances would have been against Ruslan Chagaev or Ibragimov. I don't think he defeats Wlad, who is just too big and too strong for him, and I'm not sure how he would face against Samuel Peter either, who I think may be a bit too strong for him, although his endurance leave something to be desired.

Bottom line is this. I absolutely think Holyfield can go to Russia and win the belt. There's always the chance that the American Fighter will get screwed over in the judging, which has happened numerous times in Russia and Germany (which is why a lot of US fighters won't go there), but I think that not only does Holyfield have a shot at winning, I don't think that Ibragimov has the power to hurt him very bad.

Excellent Post, my good man:good

[sues2nd]

Think Drago vs. Creed.

I know Ivan Drago....and Sultan Ibragimov AINT no Ivan Drago....

[compukiller]

:happy

Looks like no avatar bet for us this time around!!!

:good

I always give someone a chance for revenge though, which is why I am sporting my current avatar (DAMN YOU, MAB!!!).

What are your picks for some up coming fights???

[compukiller]

I know Ivan Drago....and Sultan Ibragimov AINT no Ivan Drago....

I was gonna say the same fucking thing. Drago would never be dropped by Ray Austin.:-(

[jazzysoul06]

oh by the way, speaking of Drago, anyone ever watch Rocky 4 and think, "man, they're drug testing at the end of fights must REALLY be piss poor over in Russia"?

lol

[compukiller]

oh by the way, speaking of Drago, anyone ever watch Rocky 4 and think, "man, they're drug testing at the end of fights must REALLY be piss poor over in Russia"?

lol




They were injecting him with stuff during training, they actually showed it.:deal

[doublesuited]

I know Ivan Drago....and Sultan Ibragimov AINT no Ivan Drago....And I know Creed, and Holyfield ain't no Apollo Creed.

[sues2nd]

:good

I always give someone a chance for revenge though, which is why I am sporting my current avatar (DAMN YOU, MAB!!!).

What are your picks for some up coming fights???

:lol:

Off the top of my head....

Holyfield by late KO or UD.
Calzaghe by WIDE UD.
Mormeck by late TKO.
Mosely by early KO.
Floyd by WIDE UD.
Diaz by UD........Juan that is.....:D
JMM by UD.
Byrd by close UD.

[sues2nd]

And I know Creed, and Holyfield ain't no Apollo Creed.

Yeah, no way Evander loses shit to Rocky Balboa.....who was at best a glorified club fighter.

:hey

[doublesuited]

Prime Creed UD12 Prime Holyfield

[doublesuited]

And if they were fighting back in Creed's time: Prime Creed UD15 Prime Holyfield

[The Whaler]

0bTREzJL83A

[sues2nd]

And if they were fighting back in Creed's time: Prime Creed UD15 Prime Holyfield

Creed had the worst defense in the history of boxing. And Action Jackson SUCKED!!!

[compukiller]

:lol:

Off the top of my head....

Holyfield by late KO or UD.
Calzaghe by WIDE UD.
Mormeck by late TKO.
Mosely by early KO.
Floyd by WIDE UD.
Diaz by UD........Juan that is.....:D
JMM by UD.
Byrd by close UD.

I got Kessler, and I am contemplating Julio. What say you??

[sues2nd]

I got Kessler, and I am contemplating Julio. What say you??

Word on both counts. Kessler is overrated....Joe will show that. Julio is a good fighter and Im kinda split on that one...but fuck it. 1 Week avatar bet on each?

[compukiller]

Word on both counts. Kessler is overrated....Joe will show that. Julio is a good fighter and Im kinda split on that one...but fuck it. 1 Week avatar bet on each?

Deal:good

And Diaz/Diaz is a 50/50 fight based on styles. :bbb

[sues2nd]

Deal:good

And Diaz/Diaz is a 50/50 fight based on styles. :bbb

So I get Juan.....dont forget....this fight is confusing me...:nut

[doublesuited]

Creed had the worst defense in the history of boxing. And Action Jackson SUCKED!!! What a shame there's no film of a prime Creed.

:|

[sues2nd]

What a shame there's no film of a prime Creed.

:|

:lol:

I got your back!!!!

rane3UUhgUE

[compukiller]

So I get Juan.....dont forget....this fight is confusing me...:nut

We'll have to go through this again if the winner fights David Diaz.:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[sues2nd]

We'll have to go through this again if the winner fights David Diaz.:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

:lol:

They shouldve just done a tourney with the three of em. The sanctioning bodies always fuck up the easy stuff.

:-(

[compukiller]

:lol:

They shouldve just done a tourney with the three of em. The sanctioning bodies always fuck up the easy stuff.

:-(

Yep, and then the winner can fight Casa. Fucking perfect.

[skier47]

Sultan will toy with the old fart and KO him or beat him mercilessly
for 12 hideous rounds. If you are sadistically inclined or just plain
don't like old people by all means watch this fight. Sultan is a young,
tough ex-soviet fighter with a tremendous amatuer pedigree, very
fast hands and underated power. This fight won't be pretty.

[sues2nd]

Sultan will toy with the old fart and KO him or beat him mercilessly
for 12 hideous rounds. If you are sadistically inclined or just plain
don't like old people by all means watch this fight. Sultan is a young,
tough ex-soviet fighter with a tremendous amatuer pedigree, very
fast hands and underated power. This fight won't be pretty.

You forgot to add in something.

...arguably lost to (and was dropped by) Ray Austin.

Sultan is terribly overrated. He IS a well skilled HW, but has decent power at best, is slow (TERRIBLY FLATFOOTED and plodding), and measures his shots too much.

He beat Shannon Briggs and suddenly became the second coming of Ivan Drago.

If Evander was 60 I might still pick him. The guy defies logic still being this skilled at this age. Still has the chin, still has the ring intelligence, and still has the skills. Lost a step or four in speed, power (tho still strong as a bull) and stamina. But hell, he is still EVANDER THE REAL DEAL HOLYFIELD!!!!

Holy by late TKO or UD.

(only bad part about it is, if he wins, I dont think he can beat ANY of the other title holders...and would get hurt VERY badly vs Wlad....)

[compukiller]

You forgot to add in something.

...arguably lost to (and was dropped by) Ray Austin.

Sultan is terribly overrated. He IS a well skilled HW, but has decent power at best, is slow (TERRIBLY FLATFOOTED and plodding), and measures his shots too much.

He beat Shannon Briggs and suddenly became the second coming of Ivan Drago.

If Evander was 60 I might still pick him. The guy defies logic still being this skilled at this age. Still has the chin, still has the ring intelligence, and still has the skills. Lost a step or four in speed, power (tho still strong as a bull) and stamina. But hell, he is still EVANDER THE REAL DEAL HOLYFIELD!!!!

Holy by late TKO or UD.

(only bad part about it is, if he wins, I dont think he can beat ANY of the other title holders...and would get hurt VERY badly vs Wlad....)

WALD Would kill Holyfield. :-(

[skier47]

You forgot to add in something.

...arguably lost to (and was dropped by) Ray Austin.

Sultan is terribly overrated. He IS a well skilled HW, but has decent power at best, is slow (TERRIBLY FLATFOOTED and plodding), and measures his shots too much.

He beat Shannon Briggs and suddenly became the second coming of Ivan Drago.

If Evander was 60 I might still pick him. The guy defies logic still being this skilled at this age. Still has the chin, still has the ring intelligence, and still has the skills. Lost a step or four in speed, power (tho still strong as a bull) and stamina. But hell, he is still EVANDER THE REAL DEAL HOLYFIELD!!!!

Holy by late TKO or UD.

(only bad part about it is, if he wins, I dont think he can beat ANY of the other title holders...and would get hurt VERY badly vs Wlad....)

Holy looked reasonably decent against ancient and never very good
Lou Saverese. Throw out the Austin fight. Everybody has a bad
day at the office. Sultan was fat, overconfident and employed bad
tactics in that fight. He's corrected those flaws under the direction
of Jeff Mayweather. Sultan has fast combos and hits hard. Youth
will be served.

[Cruiser1]

I will always believe in Evander. The heart of a warrior beats forever!

[gregor]

First of all, the fact that he's 44 is irrelevant. George Foreman defeated Michael Moorer for a belt years back when he was already 45, and a lot of people would argue that Moorer was a helluva lot better than Sultan Ibragimov.
Don't forget Foreman almost lost this fight. And while I agree Moorer was better than Ibragimov, his chin wasn't. Neither is Holyfield power anywhere close to Foreman... but I may be wrong since I forgot about his deadly headbutts ;).

[Amsterdam]

:lol:

Off the top of my head....

Holyfield by late KO or UD.
Calzaghe by WIDE UD.
Mormeck by late TKO.
Mosely by early KO.
Floyd by WIDE UD.
Diaz by UD........Juan that is.....:D
JMM by UD.
Byrd by close UD.

Try Ibrag mid TKO.

Haye early KO

Cotto late tKO

Floyd TKO 9ish, shutout, Hatton has absolutely NO chance and gets thrashed.

Juan Diaz late TKO.

Povetkin mid TKO.

JMM late TKO.

:D

[Zhaakal]

Ofcourse... Holyfield You Can Do It!!!!!!!

[jisi]

I believe in Evander Holyfield. He is a true Warrior and will be World-Champion angain.

Go Evander the 1962 are simply the best :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

[Cruiser1]

well if you know him tell me this;

here's a guy, incredibly fast, incredibly strong, incredibly talented,

KILLS a former world Champion in the ring in 2 rounds

loses ONE match, and then falls off the scale?

I would've LOVED a Drago movie

Even if He Man & Punisher did suck balls

Well he did turn his back on the Politburo if u remember. I'm sure he had a stern talking to after the fight if you know what I mean. Wikipedia says he was 100-0 as an amateur. Not bad. :bbb

[mochabuzz]

I will watch this fight down in Cabo tonight! I hope Evander will win!:happy

[dragosuhail]

:lol:

Off the top of my head....

Holyfield by late KO or UD.
Calzaghe by WIDE UD.
Mormeck by late TKO.
Mosely by early KO.
Floyd by WIDE UD.
Diaz by UD........Juan that is.....:D
JMM by UD.
Byrd by close UD.

:lol: should be fun times cause i have most of them different to your list sue

ibragimov by TKO or UD
Kessler by UD
Haye by TKO
mosely by UD
hatton by SD
juan by UD
jmm by UD
povetkin by UD

[Dorfmeister]

We can't give up faith, find it where it was lost, search anywhere, portents, signs, follow them to the edge of within. I often think about the hereafter when he owes no more to the future and can be just a man but now he is to be that very stuff of future memory, a fair time that cannot be forgotten and because it cannot be forgotten, that fair time may come again, what was and the dream of what could be - the future will take roots in the past and it will be done. Hallelujah!

[GABBY]

You forgot to add in something.

...arguably lost to (and was dropped by) Ray Austin.

Sultan is terribly overrated. He IS a well skilled HW, but has decent power at best, is slow (TERRIBLY FLATFOOTED and plodding), and measures his shots too much.

He beat Shannon Briggs and suddenly became the second coming of Ivan Drago.

If Evander was 60 I might still pick him. The guy defies logic still being this skilled at this age. Still has the chin, still has the ring intelligence, and still has the skills. Lost a step or four in speed, power (tho still strong as a bull) and stamina. But hell, he is still EVANDER THE REAL DEAL HOLYFIELD!!!!

Holy by late TKO or UD.

(only bad part about it is, if he wins, I dont think he can beat ANY of the other title holders...and would get hurt VERY badly vs Wlad....)


couldent of put it any better myself :good

[ChrisPontius]

I was gonna say the same fucking thing. Drago would never be dropped by Ray Austin.:-(

Holyfield was not only dropped but stopped by a fat, 36 year old middleweight. At least Austin was a legit 6'6 260lb heavyweight.

[Rollo]

Not really.