I hope you sadists have finally seen the light...

[Wige247]

I'm absolutely thrilled that Holyfield lost a lopsided decision. This was the only way someone as pig headed & dangerously close to further injuring himself in the ring as Holyfield is can understand that their time is up & that they need to move on.

All of you who were on the Holyfield bandwagon (especially ESB's writers) should be ashamed of yourselves for encouraging a fighter who is a shell of his former self to put his life & health at risk at this way-past-it stage of his career. You know he didn't deserve to be in there. You know that he had no legitimate chance. You know that all he was doing was putting his brain through more ringers. And yet you still cheered him on.

Congrats Sultan. It's a shame you had to start your legacy on the broken bones & withered spirit of former contender w/ delusions of grandeur.

[Rollo]

I don´t think it is a matter of boxing fans being sadists, but rather Holyfield being a masochist.

[platnumpapi]

holy needs a beating before he retires, i think iggy took it easy on him to be honest.i donk think he wanted to hurt him, but if holy did go all the way then he did good.only cause i thought he was going to be out by 7 and he was not even close.

but holy wants to be champ who can he beat, his best chance was oleg but he had to face peter.but u no wat happen there, holy will have to get stoped badly bfore he retires thats the only way or become undisputed hw champ which ever comes 1st !

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

I am starting to think the dude has a death wish, at the rate he is going he will have Alzheimers by the time he is 60..:-(

[The Whaler]

I hate the people who criticize Holyfield under the false pretense that they care about his health. Holyfield is a warrior. If he was born in the battlefield he would still be in the frontlines. To a man like Holyfield, health is second to glory. To the fight. To the thrill of battle. And we should support him in his pursuit of happiness. Besides, it's not his fault that Ibragimov ran away from Holy like he owed him money.

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[joeboxer]

I hate the people who criticize Holyfield under the false pretense that they care about his health. Holyfield is a warrior. If he was born in the battlefield he would still be in the frontlines. To a man like Holyfield, health is second to glory. To the fight. To the thrill of battle. And we should support him in his pursuit of happiness. Besides, it's not his fault that Ibragimov ran away from Holy like he owed him money.

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IT IS his fault though that he took an undeserved title shot based on his glory long gone. IT IS his fault that he couldn't catch up to Ibragimov all day. And it is his fault he's been a cheater and a phony.

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

Evan Fields: the Steriod receiver:deal i DUNNO maybe those roids made him delusional to believe at 45 he couls still compete with guy's in their 30,s he was done when Toney another steriod junkie iced him 4 very long years ago...:dead

[Kenny]

I am starting to think the dude has a death wish, at the rate he is going he will have Alzheimers by the time he is 60..:-(

and guess what.... a percentage of the "NORMAL" and typical population will ALSO have alzheimers by the time they are 60...and they don't even fight.....many americans will be dead by the time they are 60 so who are you or anyone else to say evander should not do what he LOVES doing? the guy lives for GOALS...personal goals that include BOXING.... it is his life.

You wanna fight for a cause??? Go fight for the Miners of america to stop what they are doing because they can end up with lung disease or dead at any time in their carreer..... But you won't so don't get all over Evander.

God bless the guy...maybe some guys in their 40's will be motivated to go try and run half a block and lose ten pounds so that they can live long enough to see their grandkids, but you aint fighting that cause, are you?

[Kenny]

Evan Fields: the Steriod receiver:deal i DUNNO maybe those roids made him delusional to believe at 45 he couls still compete with guy's in their 30,s he was done when Toney another steriod junkie iced him 4 very long years ago...:dead


So are you then saying that Evander is not better than 90% of the WORLD heavyweight current population???? Listen to your self.... You must not be a fighter because you would know that there are sooo many 30 year olds that can only WISH to be as good as Evander was today....W I S H ...but they know they never will, YET they will compete tomorrow.

[Kenny]

The Whaler knows the Real Deal!!!!!!! I agree with you, Whaler....AWESOME pix.

[brooklyn1550]

He's still going to fight unfortunately

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

So are you then saying that Evander is not better than 90% of the WORLD heavyweight current population???? Listen to your self.... You must not be a fighter because you would know that there are sooo many 30 year olds that can only WISH to be as good as Evander was today....W I S H ...but they know they never will, YET they will compete tomorrow.

Well let him keep on fighting until he's 50 and eventually he will end up in a coma he's DAMN lucky he wasn;t in the ring with Wlad, and a steriod cheater is a cheater bottom line it makes me happy when they all lose or get busted:good.I propose a new sports rule 1st time offenders that are busted for roids are banned for life, Marion jones, Ken Caminiti, Lyle Alzado, Jason Giambi, and Chris Beniot the wrestler, it all came back to bite them in the as$..

[Dorfmeister]

I'm absolutely thrilled that Holyfield lost a lopsided decision.
Congrats Sultan. It's a shame you had to start your legacy on the broken bones & withered spirit of former contender w/ delusions of grandeur.

It's a shame Mike Tyson was TKOed by Holyfield when most expected him to be Great and almost got banned from boxing in their second fight. Took a beating from Lewis, Williams and McBride and his legend died and was buried long ago... Ever since, this dumb ass is broke and on dope, has danced in Bollywood movies, assaulted women again, is doing rehab for maniac depression and possibly will kill himself for good. Congrats.

[thewoo]

Congrats Sultan. It's a shame you had to start your legacy on the broken bones & withered spirit of former contender w/ delusions of grandeur.

He's not the first fighter to do it and he certainlly will not be the last.

[boxingcar]

I cant believe he is fighting someone who would not have been worthy to be his sparring partner 6yrs ago.
6 or 7 years go , Holyfield was already losing against RUIZ...

Sorry but as "mediocre" as Iggy is...He certainly is better than any versions of Ruiz.

[youthmann]

I'm absolutely thrilled that Holyfield lost a lopsided decision. This was the only way someone as pig headed & dangerously close to further injuring himself in the ring as Holyfield is can understand that their time is up & that they need to move on.

All of you who were on the Holyfield bandwagon (especially ESB's writers) should be ashamed of yourselves for encouraging a fighter who is a shell of his former self to put his life & health at risk at this way-past-it stage of his career. You know he didn't deserve to be in there. You know that he had no legitimate chance. You know that all he was doing was putting his brain through more ringers. And yet you still cheered him on.

Congrats Sultan. It's a shame you had to start your legacy on the broken bones & withered spirit of former contender w/ delusions of grandeur.

Who the f... do you think you are. People should be ashamed of themselfes!! - cherring for Holy!!
One thing is maybe that he did'nt deserve the titel shot. But the choice to fight is his and only HIS. UNDERSTAND that. Because other people don't have the same oppinion that you - does'nt make it WRONG. You think you should be dictating me or others if we should cher for holy - forget it. It mights works manipulating with your wife - but not here pall - weak the f... up....

[Wige247]

Who the f... do you think you are. People should be ashamed of themselfes!! - cherring for Holy!!
One thing is maybe that he did'nt deserve the titel shot. But the choice to fight is his and only HIS. UNDERSTAND that. Because other people don't have the same oppinion that you - does'nt make it WRONG. You think you should be dictating me or others if we should cher for holy - forget it. It mights works manipulating with your wife - but not here pall - weak the f... up....
So if someone didn't have a problem watching a retarded kid glove up & step into the ring, I can't criticize them for having poor taste & being sadistic? I can't advocate that the retarded kid not be allowed to fight b/c it's his choice? You do realize you sound like a schmuck, right?

This has nothing to do w/ whether or not I like a fighter. It has everything to do w/ stopping someone who isn't physically or mentally sound enough to continue to put his body through the rigors of boxing w/o further reducing him to a shell of a man. If you think that people who are looking out for his best interest by telling him to retire are somehow doing him a disservice, it's b/c you are probably retarded. There comes a time where viable health concerns outweigh someone's deluded sense of pride.

Holyfield has almost a 0% chance of ever accomplishing what he wants. He doesn't have the 1 punch KO to end the fight early, he doesn't have the stamina to win a points decision, and he doesn't have the defense anymore to stop himself from getting battered across the ring. All he's doing is guaranteeing by pursing this fool's errand is that he'll be a poster child for retiring before it's too late.

I'd love to hear what your reasons are for rooting Holyfield on. And I'd love to hear how you'd defend those reasons if, God forbid, he were to die in the ring or suffer such a serious beating that he's one step above Gerald McClellan. Would you be chipping in for his medical bills, or would you wipe your hands clean and say "He fought 1 fight too many?" I thought so...

[youthmann]

So if someone didn't have a problem watching a retarded kid glove up & step into the ring, I can't criticize them for having poor taste & being sadistic? I can't advocate that the retarded kid not be allowed to fight b/c it's his choice? You do realize you sound like a schmuck, right?

This has nothing to do w/ whether or not I like a fighter. It has everything to do w/ stopping someone who isn't physically or mentally sound enough to continue to put his body through the rigors of boxing w/o further reducing him to a shell of a man. If you think that people who are looking out for his best interest by telling him to retire are somehow doing him a disservice, it's b/c you are probably retarded. There comes a time where viable health concerns outweigh someone's deluded sense of pride.

Holyfield has almost a 0% chance of ever accomplishing what he wants. He doesn't have the 1 punch KO to end the fight early, he doesn't have the stamina to win a points decision, and he doesn't have the defense anymore to stop himself from getting battered across the ring. All he's doing is guaranteeing by pursing this fool's errand is that he'll be a poster child for retiring before it's too late.

I'd love to hear what your reasons are for rooting Holyfield on. And I'd love to hear how you'd defend those reasons if, God forbid, he were to die in the ring or suffer such a serious beating that he's one step above Gerald McClellan. Would you be chipping in for his medical bills, or would you wipe your hands clean and say "He fought 1 fight too many?" I thought so...

Don't compare Holy's situation with a retarded Child. It is not comparable. Kids or retarded people are a complete different thing. OK. I hope you already know.
Holy is a grown up man and can make his own decisions - completely. So it should be. What he will do with his live is his responsibility and his right as a human. If holy wants to drink 40 bears a day - its his desicion. I guess that would be more dangerous to his health than boxing at an age of 44 years. Anyway - did Sultan beat Holy up - NO - he won a boring decision mostly hiding from holy. Sultan is the WBO champ and only wins a (small) decision to a 44 year old very well in shape boxer. Was he taking a hell of a beating - NO - was he out boxed - NO - he actually did pretty well of an old guy. Okay - Holy is only 50% the fighter he was - and so what - he still doing quit fine. Don't expect the old holy to reach near his prime skills - it is not possible - by heart he probably also knows it himself. But why the hell stop doing things that you enjoy and is good at (hes still a top #20 hw at least). He passes his psycical tests and is in good shape - so why stop if he don't want too. If he was taking a hell of a bloody beating every single fight and was KO'ed then he would sure stop boxing (I guess). But that is NOT the case - it actually went pretty well against the WBO champ. OK - he did'nt win but he was in the fight all 12 rounds with a fair chance. That is what is so fascinating about it and that's why I like holy, he goes after the goal even if the chances are small. A lot of 1 class fighters cares to much about their 0 - and that is a pain in the ass - because we often don't get the best fights because they are avoiding each other. Holy has never avoided anyone - thats something to admire. He has fought the best of the best during his career. If holy had won the WBO belt this saturday, he would have taken an unification fight with wlad before this year ended. His chances today would be very small against wlad but holy would see it as a big challange to him - and try with all his got. If the good lord himself spoke to holy 2 month before he should fight wlad and told him that he only had 1% of a chance beating him - he would'nt cancel the fight or find a way to get out of the fight - he would stay to the 1% knowing it is possible - and fight like never before to win.
I believe that one of the reasons that holy keeps fighting is that he knows the HW scene is pretty weak today - and that it is not completely unrealistic (with some luck) to become 5 time HW champ. Thats why he keeps trying. He sure knows that his not near at the same level as in his prime days - but he actually still has a chance to get a belt. He knows he has a chance and it was proven against Sultan. Thats why holy said after the fight that he did'nt want to retire. Maybe he was actually himself a little surprised that sultan was'nt able to do more than he did. I personally had hoped for sultan to do some of his oldstyle boxing so the fight would have been an exeiting slugfight. But, why did'nt sultan change style during the fight and started a brawl!!! - because he would'nt take the risk - he felt that the old holy was still strong and he had to stick to the same gameplay as against Shannon - move and counter punch. Sultan could not just run holy down. The champ choose to run - and you are telling me/us that holy is laughable and we should be ashamed rooting for this old - brave - warrior. Makes no sense to me.
Please stop all the talk about chipping to medical bills and cleaning hand if he dies in the ring. If the man is well trained and passes the psycical tests then he's ready to fight. I've been fighting myself as an amateur for 11 years and I would bet my ass of that an amateur that is about 30 years and in a relative bad training has fare bigger chances getting a brain damage (or what ever) that a well fit prof that is 44 years of age. So let it go plaese.
You don't take the drivers licens from an old mann that is driving the car often and well, just because his chances of getting strangled by the airbag during a crash is bigger that at an average mann of age.

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[JIm Broughton]

It's too bad that Evander has deluded himself to the point that he actually believes that he can be the undisputed champ again. This once proud warrior is fast becoming a sorry laughingstock in the public eye. Sadly he will continue to fight and absorb beating after beating until he is universally denied a license to box (which is'nt likely) or he will be seriously injured and forced to retire with almost none of his mental faculties intact. People don't realize that looking good physically and actually being good are two entirely different things. Evander LOOKS good physically. He still has a muscular physique (possibly due to steroid use) but the real attributes necessary to become a top level fighter are no longer there. Speed, reflexes, the stamina to launch a sustained attack and a true KO punch are long gone. The human body is capable of only so much even with the aid of legal and illegal supplementation. Evander has simply fallen victim to the same slayer of past greats like Ali,Louis,Robinson et al....Father Time. It's a tough fact to face but Evander has to get real with himself and admit that he does'nt have it anymore. He began his pro career in 1984! 23 yrs ago!! Pac Man was the rage back then. Cell phones were a foot long and weighed 2 pounds for chrissakes to help put things in perspective. Evander is being utterly delusional and stubborn in his refusal to see the obvious and he will pay a heavy price if he does'nt wise up soon.

[BoxingGuru]

Where are all the fuckin idiots who swore up and down and "had a feeling" Holyfield could win this. LOL.:lol:

[Spitfire7]

Why can't people stop the hatin' on Holy? For all that he had done IN the ring, he should at least deserve the respect of these phony-assed "fans" who hides in the mask of false sympathy...

[stuistylee]

yeh holys in 4 a beating if hes not carefull...

[cuchulain]

Holyfield said he's going to continue so what the hell are you babbling about?


So.

Based on Saturday night last, what is it that he's going to continue ?

He's no longer competitive. He wouldn't be competitive against any top 10 boxer from light heavy, cruiser or heavywt, regardless of what wt either he or they came in at.

It's doubtful he could get by Kessler or Calzaghe.

To preserve what's left of his legacy (considerable), he should hang them up.

[cuchulain]

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[Lampley]

While my heart goes out to a warrior like Holyfield, a lot of you guys are missing the point -- this isn't just about him.

If Evander gets killed or maimed in the ring, or ends up living on a streetcorner, it will give critics of boxing just more ammunition to outlaw or at least further marginalize the sport. Boxing gets dragged through the sewer when all-time greats start slurring words and can't take care of themselves.

People wonder why the sport isn't outlawed, and the backlash hurts every other fighter and the fans. For all the courage Evander shows in continuing to fight, what he's doing ultimately is very selfish and potentially harmful to the sport.

I'm sure he doesn't think about it that way, but for boxing at large, it would be a lot better if fighters like Holyfield would retire.

[audio101]

Has anyone heard Holyfield have a full conversation with someone recently? He seems slow to respond to any question.