Diaz calls out Pac

[Alo2006]

Come on Pac, step up! He said come fight a young Mexican fighter!

[the_what]

Pacman will most likely fight David Diaz. :lol:

[boxbox]

maybe he should chase pac to 130?

[41fever]

Juan would abuse Pac...

Yeah, David seems more likely...but David has a chance against the lighter Pac...

[Pimp C]

I was going to post this but you beat me too it. The baby bull would run Pac out of the ring. This would be a great fight and needs to be made.

[Alo2006]

Pacman will most likely fight David Diaz. :lol:


I know :lol: but that's not a bad fight for him before getting in the ring with Juan.

[Arthur]

Man what a fight pac vs juan diaz would be!! I don't know if manny could hurt diaz.

[Oscar de la Roa]

lets do it mexico vs philipines again... May the best win!!!

[Spitfire7]

Torito should call someone his own size. Casa anyone (for the undisputed and Ring LW crown)?

[41fever]

Man what a fight pac vs juan diaz would be!! I don't know if manny could hurt diaz.
If ACELINO couldn't, then I dount Pac could make a dent

[digiram]

I'm a Pac fan, but I do believe that Juan would give him trouble and is all wrong for him.

I've said in the past that in order to beat Pac, you have to keep him fighting backwards. Get on the inside in the trenches and work the body. Pressure Pressure Pressure. Juan has that style that "could" beat Pac. Also, it doesn't hurt being naturally bigger, having quick hands, high work rate, and excellent defense in the trenches(which was the difference tonight).

[Shane_Erich]

I think juan might be a little too big for Pac, but it would be exciting as hell.

[PacDbest]

Pac needs to get the 4th belt from David Diaz then they can make the real unification with Juan Diaz. While pac is Busy with David, Juan should Clean-up the Old Casamayor since he said that Pac should stop Fighting old guys.

In case of JMM, He needs to give what Pac wants or else he will be the forgotten man again. He's the oldest guy & the Mexicans are tired of waiting for their Hero.

[Alo2006]

Torito should call someone his own size. Casa anyone (for the undisputed and Ring LW crown)?


I know Juan is willing to fight Casa, but is Casa willing?

[thewoo]

I'd love to see this fight but I would not hold ti against pac if he doesn't take it. I think 130 might be his limit and he would be giving up a lot to Juan if they ever fought.

[Oscar de la Roa]

Pac needs to get the 4th belt from David Diaz then they can make the real unification with Juan Diaz. While pac is Busy with David, Juan should Clean-up the Old Casamayor since he said that Pac should stop Fighting old guys.

In case of JMM, He needs to give what Pac wants or else he will be the forgotten man again. He's the oldest guy & the Mexicans are tired of waiting for their Hero.

Man unfortunately you are right, I am that kind of mexican waiting for our hero, but I dont see JMM doing what he did in their first fight, pacquiao has shown a lot of evolution and the only way he could lose is against someone on lightweight

[aillmatic]

I would favor Juan Diaz to beat Pacman. I want to see it.

[brooklyn1550]

Pacquiao will more likely fight David Diaz. I think Juan beats Pac

[Main Events]

As a pacfan myself, I have an advice for him. Stay as far as you can away from Juan. Pac needs to load up or get leverage to give power to his punches. With Juan's bull style, Pac wont have time to load up.

[thai-hardhitter972]

Fuck I don't want to see Pac against Juan man....but if it happens Im going to make lots of money off of Juan

[cpnasty]

This is the 2nd time he has called him out. This would be a great fight

[sues2nd]

Fuck I don't want to see Pac against Juan man....but if it happens Im going to make lots of money off of Juan

Unfortunately your right. I love Pac, but this isnt a good matchup for him.

[hmi]

I think Juan should call on Hatton. They have similar body build. Pac has a small frame and 130lbs might be his limit, as someone has said earlier. It's unfair for Pacman to fight someone naturally bigger than him.

[PacDbest]

I'm a Pac fan, but I do believe that Juan would give him trouble and is all wrong for him.

I've said in the past that in order to beat Pac, you have to keep him fighting backwards. Get on the inside in the trenches and work the body. Pressure Pressure Pressure. Juan has that style that "could" beat Pac. Also, it doesn't hurt being naturally bigger, having quick hands, high work rate, and excellent defense in the trenches(which was the difference tonight).

I make my observation today, Julio make an experiment & tried a Southpaw stands & I Imagine Pac was there Fighting Juan. Here's the key, Pac's has Longer 25" Arms compare to Diaz 21". Pac's actually Bigger at 5'6 1/2" & 144 lbs at fightnight while Juan at 5'6" & comes in at 142 lbs. Pac's faster & more Pop & Throw straighter Punches. Both relentless & we know toe to toe is Manny's Forte.

Diaz is hittable & I see Pac catching him with Right Hook as he move forward or will be met with Straight left & move out before Juan can Counter. Juan has Chin & Stamina to make it to the Championship round but he will be busted by then & will lose by Corner stoppage or by Cuts.

I like this fight for Pac. I won't be bored & this will bring back the old Destroyer Pac.

[Alo2006]

^Juan vs Hatton @ 140, very interesting :yep I lean towards Juan, 2 similar styles.

[madjabber]

Pac Man wins 2 out of three in another thrillogy courtesey of the Pac Man :bananamaniac

[Main Events]

Why Juan > Pac?

1. Pac moving up in weight.
2. Freitas didnt hurt Juan, I dont think Pac would.
3. Both are busy fighters, pac uses leverage, Juan bull charges and goes toe to toe. Bad for pac.
4. If there is someone who can easily get cut, that would be pac.

Pac, go and fight the JMM's and Guzman's.. Just stay away from Juan.

[punchdynamo]

Even though Juan has a bigger build, they'd still come in around the same weight on fight night. I don't think it would be a blow out by any means for Juan. Pac is explosive and has great stamina (not like Freitas). Some people are treating this like Paul Williams vs PBF in that Pac should just stay far far away from Juan. I think they're getting it all wrong and it'll be a very close fight.

[knockout]

Fuck I don't want to see Pac against Juan man....but if it happens Im going to make lots of money off of JuanWhy would'nt you want money?:patsch :patsch

[thewoo]

^Juan vs Hatton @ 140, very interesting :yep I lean towards Juan, 2 similar styles.

Nah I'd lean towards Hatton here. Juan's punches would have little or no effect on hatton, Hatton is bigger and has the power to hurt Juan plus he would tie Juan up on the inside a lot

[thai-hardhitter972]

Why would'nt you want money?:patsch :patsch

Im saying I don't want to see pac get his ass kicked ......"If it happens ill make lots of money off of Juan" meaning I would bet on Juan

[sues2nd]

Nah I'd lean towards Hatton here. Juan's punches would have little or no effect on hatton, Hatton is bigger and has the power to hurt Juan plus he would tie Juan up on the inside a lot

Agreed...

[PolishPummler]

This would be a great fight and Juan is right in saying that Pac needs to fight a young prime fighter.(Nothing against Pac but it's time!)

[punchdynamo]

Juan charging straight towards Hatton would be right up Hatton's alley. I have a feeling that Hatton would tie him up and smother all those combinations before Juan would have a chance to fully unload them.

[PacDbest]

Pac Man wins 2 out of three in another thrillogy courtesey of the Pac Man :bananamaniac

That was nice tribute for Barrera & Morales with the common Denominator Pacquiao who destroys both & retires them. On the same show the New Mexican Hero calling the destroyer. Sweet.....

I made a DVD of this Pac-MAB1, MAB Hamed, Pac MAB countdown, Pac MAB 2, & Diaz Diaz that includes this Tribute to MAB & EM. Anybody wants it Give me a buzz. Of course it's not free.

[aillmatic]

I like Juan over Pacquiao.... Hatton over both of them.

[EL MATADOR13]

i THINK this will be a great fight and will happen mid 08. with Juan winning the fight and pacmans corner not letting him out . what the baby bull said about "him not fighting young mexicans" is true and hes been getting too much credit for beating an old slow Morales. for that alone made me a Juan Diaz fan.David diaz aint shit and will get stopped beat by any top contender. that was good juan didnt call him out and made him look like a bitch cuz he was there and instead called out the top guy in boxing the PACMAN he has balls. :bbb

DAmn i hate david diaz acting like he was bored BITCH PLZ:patsch . reminds me of MCbride thinkin there the shit:lol:

[Main Events]

Juan even if he does lose gots balls for callin out the Pacman.

Sorry about getting nitpicky here. Got balls for calling out a smaller man? I still think he beats Pac.

Pac wasnt fighting young mexicans coz they got no young mexicans at 130. Humberto Soto is the only young mexican 130lber and nobody noticed him until last year.

[1punch1nder]

diaz is feather fisted, he can't hurt pac. if he really wants to fight pacquaio why doesn't he go down to 130?

calling out smaller fighters to go up is a really macho move. :patsch:patsch:patsch

[PacDbest]

i THINK this will be a great fight and will happen mid 08. with Juan winning the fight and pacmans corner not letting him out either. what the baby bull said about "him not fighting young mexicans" is true and hes been getting too much credit for beating an old slow Morales. for that alone made me a Juan Diaz fanid diaz aint shit -old morales still beat him. Juan even if he does lose gots balls for callin out the Pacman.

Calling Pac coz he's naturally Bigger(or Fatter) & bacause of the Fat Paycheck he can make of Pac. Frankly speaking Juan doesn't have the HOF or ATG look in him, Pac just entered his Prime. Juan is not the one who will beat Pac.

[Main Events]

Pac by KO! lol

[kg0208]

diaz is feather fisted, he can't hurt pac. if he really wants to fight pacquaio why doesn't he go down to 130?

calling out smaller fighters to go up is a really macho move. :patsch:patsch:patsch

Ummm....Pacman is the one talking about moving up. And Pacman weighs more on fight night that Diaz. Your post doesn't hold up.

[T.C.W]

HBO have to make this fight, It will do god PPV numbers

[sues2nd]

diaz is feather fisted, he can't hurt pac. if he really wants to fight pacquaio why doesn't he go down to 130?

calling out smaller fighters to go up is a really macho move. :patsch:patsch:patsch

I really never bought into this whole "calling out lighter fighters is a bitch move" bs. Its one division difference. He isnt calling out Calderon for god sakes....

And on fightnight, Pac will be the bigger guy in all account. Juan is just a taaaaad shorter, has less of a reach and weighed less tonight than Pac did vs MAB.

Doesnt make much sense bro.

[Chert]

pac needs a "tune-up" at 135 before taking on juan diaz... i don't know if david diaz can be considered a "tune-up" though.

[Boom_Boom]

I think its fucking stupid he bashes Pacman for fighting older fighters and yet hes calling out smaller fighters himself.

[sues2nd]

I think its fucking stupid he bashes Pacman for fighting older fighters and yet hes calling out smaller fighters himself.

HE IS NOT SMALLER!!!

Pac 5'6 1/2 | 67" reach | Weighed 144 before the MAB fight last weekend.

Juan is 5'6 | 67" reach (tho it seems shorter...I may be wrong) | weighed 142 tonight

HOW IS JUAN THE BIGGER MAN?!?!?!?

:patsch

[Main Events]

I think it's fuckin stupid how you pachuggers are forgetting that PAcman was the one who called out Diaz first after Randy Suico got his shit pushed in so stop bashing Diaz!!!


Yup it was Pac who first called out Juan. Let's get it on then :happy :happy :happy

[kg0208]

I think its fucking stupid he bashes Pacman for fighting older fighters and yet hes calling out smaller fighters himself.

Pacman isn't smaller. And on top of this, Pacman already made it clear that a move to 135 is an option. So what's the big deal?

[Chert]

I think it's fuckin stupid how you pachuggers are forgetting that PAcman was the one who called out Diaz first after Randy Suico got his shit pushed in so stop bashing Diaz!!!

Short term memory, these pacfans... :-(
he didn't exactly call him out. pac doesn't need to call anybody out as queue is already long for fighters who want to fight him. he just said that he wanted to avenge his countryman in the future. but j. diaz is one of the opponents he's considering.

[Boom_Boom]

I think it's fuckin stupid how you pachuggers are forgetting that PAcman was the one who called out Diaz first after Randy Suico got his shit pushed in so stop bashing Diaz!!!

Short term memory, these pacfans... :-(

yeah, first its if Pacman moves up to lightweight hes ducking all the good fighters at 130, if he stays at 130 hes ducking babybull.

Pacman doesnt owe you shit and can do whatever the fuck he wants, if Baby bull wants this fight so bad tell him to lose 5 more fucking pounds, if you want a fighter you chase him.

[Boom_Boom]

HE IS NOT SMALLER!!!

Pac 5'6 1/2 | 67" reach | Weighed 144 before the MAB fight last weekend.

Juan is 5'6 | 67" reach (tho it seems shorter...I may be wrong) | weighed 142 tonight

HOW IS JUAN THE BIGGER MAN?!?!?!?

:patsch

Its as similiar as Calzaghe calling out Taylor early in the year, its not right.

[BobDigi5060]

Younger and a weight class above is asking to much from the Pacman.

Diaz in 10. Manny is maxed out at 130, no way does he take this man's belts.

[EL MATADOR13]

diaz is feather fisted, he can't hurt pac. if he really wants to fight pacquaio why doesn't he go down to 130?

calling out smaller fighters to go up is a really macho move. :patsch:patsch:patsch


SHut up!! if hes feather fisted why u trippin about it! :patsch:patsch :patsch :patsch pacs the one who wanted to move up. thats how fighters fight. u call someone out u do it if not ur the bitch, and will be remembered for it. fighters do it all the time

[sues2nd]

yeah, first its if Pacman moves up to lightweight hes ducking all the good fighters at 130, if he stays at 130 hes ducking babybull.

Pacman doesnt owe you shit and can do whatever the fuck he wants, if Baby bull wants this fight so bad tell him to lose 5 more fucking pounds, if you want a fighter you chase him.

I love Pac...one of my favorite fighters (I dont think he would win here but...). But he already mentioned fighting Juan in the future. Already mentioned wanting to move up to LW. And again, isnt the smaller man come fight night.

What is the problem?

[puga_ni_nana]

yeah, first its if Pacman moves up to lightweight hes ducking all the good fighters at 130, if he stays at 130 hes ducking babybull.

Pacman doesnt owe you shit and can do whatever the fuck he wants, if Baby bull wants this fight so bad tell him to lose 5 more fucking pounds, if you want a fighter you chase him.

i think black has given up on the idea that the one who will beat pacquiao is marquez. so now he is looking for someone at the higher weight just to do the job.

[puga_ni_nana]

if this fight happens next year, i will go for pacquiao as a live underdog. :D

[Chert]

ok. so who do you people really want for pac to fight next? jmm?, babybull?, guzman?, soto? casa? valero? katsidis? linares?... the list goes on and on... pac is the only fighter now that has so many calling him out but he can only fight them one at a time. they just have to wait in line and we in turn have to patiently wait for these fights to happen.

[sues2nd]

ok. so who do you people really want for pac to fight next? jmm?, babybull?, guzman?, soto? casa? valero? katsidis?... the list goes on and on... pac is the only fighter now that has so many calling him out but he can only fight them one at a time. they just have to wait in line.

:lol:

[BobDigi5060]

Pac should fight JMM before he leaves 130.. Its only right and I'm sure Marquez will be more open to a rematch at this point in time. It just has to happen for a fight fan's sake. We need a answer for a Pacman/Marquez matchup!

[puga_ni_nana]

ok. so who do you people really want for pac to fight next? jmm?, babybull?, guzman?, soto? casa? valero? katsidis?... the list goes on and on... pac is the only fighter now that has so many calling him out but he can only fight them one at a time. they just have to wait in line.

for me, i still want marquez. but others feel that pacquiao should fight diaz now after his performance against julio.

[Boom_Boom]

you know i saw this coming a mile away, Juan blows out Julio and talks about Pacman resume just like they did with Freitas so im not going to even get into it.


Heres the big picture:
At best this fight happens at the end of next year, Pacman already has a long list waiting for him at 130 he will likely have just 1 more fight then move to lightweight but be put against a tune-up, Pac's team isnt goign to rush in like they did with Morales 1 AND then afterwards hopefully a fight with Baby Bull.

But until then Juan has to defend against mandatories Katsidas and Singwancha.

I want this fight to happen too, but ya'llz are acting like if Pacman doesnt step up now hes ducking and thats just retarded.

[Spitfire7]

HE IS NOT SMALLER!!!

Pac 5'6 1/2 | 67" reach | Weighed 144 before the MAB fight last weekend.

Juan is 5'6 | 67" reach (tho it seems shorter...I may be wrong) | weighed 142 tonight

HOW IS JUAN THE BIGGER MAN?!?!?!?

:patsch

Perhaps Pacfans remember that Pac started out at minifly, while Juan even started out at jr. welter???:think

[aillmatic]

For the pac fans critcizing Diaz for calling out Pacman.... what about Pacman calling out David Diaz instead of the winner of tonights fight or Casamayor... i think that's somewhat of a bitch move for him to call out the weakest of the champions.

[Boom_Boom]

hopefully it happens next year

[Boom_Boom]

For the pac fans critcizing Diaz for calling out Pacman.... what about Pacman calling out David Diaz instead of the winner of tonights fight or Casamayor... i think that's somewhat of a bitch move for him to call out the weakest of the champions.


He didnt call him out, he just said its a scenario, quit spinning facts.

[kg0208]

Perhaps Pacfans remember that Pac started out at minifly, while Juan even started out at jr. welter???:think

Perhaps you will recall that Pacfans also say that Pacman lost at the lower weights because he was weight drained and still growing. He was a teenager at those weights. He jumped 4 weight classes in 4 years....and has spent the last 8 years in 3 weight classes. That Flyweight thing is out the window. Any teenager is going to grow, so this was not Pacman's natural weight.

[puga_ni_nana]

Not really bro. Try scrolling up and looking at the other posts because all of you pacfans were criticizing Diaz for calling out pac, when in fact pacman was the one who mentioned diaz first..

I was only correcting you guys...

Marquez would still school pacman but Diaz would end him and send him into early retirement.

yeah i remember that pacquiao wants diaz after his demolition of suico. but i think, if ever pacquiao moves up, he will likely test the water first against david diaz. remember that going up in weight is not an easy matter. his first fight with morales at 130, we know what happened. and besides, pacquiao has jumped too much since he started as a flyweight. i think 130 is his last optimum weight.

[Boom_Boom]

Didn't you guys sing songs about how pacman comes in at 144 and punches like a welterweight, therefore he wouldn't have problems against bigger men? LOL what happend to all those claims? Wsup with those talk about PAC/FLOYD???? ROFL....

You guys are backtracking now??

You guys give him a good chance to beat mayweather and yet diaz is too big for him all of a sudden?

you been hanging out at Pacland again Black?

go over there and stay there.

[Spitfire7]

I thought Pac punches like a welterweight though?

...that can KO Godzilla in 1?!?:lol: Urban legends...:D

[Chert]

juan diaz has to take on casa first and settle who "da man" is at 135 while jmm and pac still have some unfinished business @130. after these two fights, then maybe we can finally see a fight between baby bull and the destroyer at a catchweight between 135 and 130.

[aillmatic]

He didnt call him out, he just said its a scenario, quit spinning facts.
OK, excuse me. Well I'm just saying, why did he only mention David Diaz in his scenario to move up to lightweight, and not tonights winner, or Casa.

[Chert]

For the pac fans critcizing Diaz for calling out Pacman.... what about Pacman calling out David Diaz instead of the winner of tonights fight or Casamayor... i think that's somewhat of a bitch move for him to call out the weakest of the champions.
pac doesn't need to call anybody out... he's the acknowledged superstar of the lower weights. that's why everybody south of 135 is calling him out for a career payday.

[aillmatic]

pac doesn't need to call anybody out... he's the acknowledged superstar of the lower weights. that's why everybody south of 135 is calling him out for a career payday.

...and I agree with you all the way.

[puga_ni_nana]

you know i saw this coming a mile away, Juan blows out Julio and talks about Pacman resume just like they did with Freitas so im not going to even get into it.


Heres the big picture:
At best this fight happens at the end of next year, Pacman already has a long list waiting for him at 130 he will likely have just 1 more fight then move to lightweight but be put against a tune-up, Pac's team isnt goign to rush in like they did with Morales 1 AND then afterwards hopefully a fight with Baby Bull.

But until then Juan has to defend against mandatories Katsidas and Singwancha.

I want this fight to happen too, but ya'llz are acting like if Pacman doesnt step up now hes ducking and thats just retarded.

exactly my tought.

and besides, juan should fight casamayor or katsidis first. and pacquiao should fight at least marquez. then afterwards juan can get his pacquiao and everybody is happy.

[Boom_Boom]

you also know that pacman has a slim chance against pacman..


your right but ill still pick Pac by KO :lol: :lol:

[Spitfire7]

Perhaps you will recall that Pacfans also say that Pacman lost at the lower weights because he was weight drained and still growing. He was a teenager at those weights. He jumped 4 weight classes in 4 years....and has spent the last 8 years in 3 weight classes. That Flyweight thing is out the window. Any teenager is going to grow, so this was not Pacman's natural weight.

Were talking of natural weights here bro. Pac can fight at LW 'course, but that is not his natural weight IMO. Torito, on the other hand is still on his early-to-mid twenties and had already started out as jr. welter! (Imagine the natural size difference). I believe Juan may even still grow and close out his career at junior MW...

Don't get me wrong. I like the notion of Pac fighting Diaz, 'twould be a slambang affair. There are still unfinished biz at 130 though and fighters in the division are racuously clamoring for his head... might as well renege and indulge them.:yep

[sues2nd]

your right but ill still pick Pac by KO :lol: :lol:

:rofl :rofl :rofl

[1punch1nder]

I really never bought into this whole "calling out lighter fighters is a bitch move" bs. Its one division difference. He isnt calling out Calderon for god sakes....

And on fightnight, Pac will be the bigger guy in all account. Juan is just a taaaaad shorter, has less of a reach and weighed less tonight than Pac did vs MAB.

Doesnt make much sense bro.

yes its a one division difference... at age 18 pacquiao was fighting at 113 lbs while juan diaz was fighting at 140 lbs. manny pacquaio started his career at 106lbs and juan diaz at 141lbs.

[sues2nd]

yes its a one division difference... at age 18 pacquiao was fighting at 113 lbs while juan diaz was fighting at 140 lbs. manny pacquaio started his career at 106lbs and juan diaz at 141lbs.

BUT 141 was obviously too high for Diaz. And Pac was a kid at 106. That is like saying Roy Jones Jr started at Jr MW, but Tarver started LHW, so he shouldnt have been fighting him.

Pac has more than proven himself at 130. He has already mentioned moving up to 135. He has already mentioned Juan's name as a possability in the future. And again, is natually bigger at this stage of their respective careers.

Again, this isnt about where they were at 18....but rather now.

[1punch1nder]

what's pissing me off is everytime somebody calls out pacman all the haters here starts bashing him for ducking the fighter who called him out. so pacman is ducking valero, guzman, soto, marquez, casamayor, juan diaz, pbf, hatton, de la hoya, winky, hopkins, pantera, pavlik, ruiz, wlad, etc....

and is no good coz he only fights old men.

[Spitfire7]

BUT 141 was obviously too high for Diaz. And Pac was a kid at 106. That is like saying Roy Jones Jr started at Jr MW, but Tarver started LHW, so he shouldnt have been fighting him.

Pac has more than proven himself at 130. He has already mentioned moving up to 135. He has already mentioned Juan's name as a possability in the future. And again, is natually bigger at this stage of their respective careers.

Again, this isnt about where they were at 18....but rather now.
:nonoah,a aw...not too fast there bro. Until there are "young up-and-comers" (not "washed up goners," as what some others and fellow Mex calls EM and MAB after their drubbing from Pac:D) with some fancy belts calling him out, there is still lots to prove (to the naysayers at the very least...):hey

[sues2nd]

what's pissing me off is everytime somebody calls out pacman all the haters here starts bashing him for ducking the fighter who called him out. so pacman is ducking valero, guzman, soto, marquez, casamayor, juan diaz, pbf, hatton, de la hoya, winky, hopkins, pantera, pavlik, ruiz, wlad, etc....

and is no good coz he only fights old men.

There isnt many people "hating" on him. He is one of my favorite fighters bro.

I never used the word "duck" or anything of the sort. I just pointed out that he is actually BIGGER than Diaz come fight night.

And Pac mentioned Diaz first. Pac mentioned moving up first. Most of the posts in here have sticked to this....not much hating going on at all.

What really sucks is, when someone disagrees with certain fans on this site of their favorite fighter (not just Pac...this goes on ALLLL the time...call it the Floyd Mayweather Jr rule....:yep ), they are suddenly haters and nuthuggers.

THAT, is what pisses ME OFF!

[1punch1nder]

BUT 141 was obviously too high for Diaz. And Pac was a kid at 106. That is like saying Roy Jones Jr started at Jr MW, but Tarver started LHW, so he shouldnt have been fighting him.

Pac has more than proven himself at 130. He has already mentioned moving up to 135. He has already mentioned Juan's name as a possability in the future. And again, is natually bigger at this stage of their respective careers.

Again, this isnt about where they were at 18....but rather now.

pacman is an old fighter and his lifestyle has ruined him. he is talking about moving up because he cannot make it to 130 and its a bad sign. he proved himself at 130 but do you seriously believe he will do well at lightweight?

[sues2nd]

:nonoah,a aw...not too fast there bro. Until there are "young up-and-comers" (not "washed up goners," as what some others and fellow Mex calls EM and MAB after their drubbing from Pac:D) with some fancy belts calling him out, there is still lots to prove (to the naysayers at the very least...):hey

I meant at 130 and below...but I get your point.....and your sarcasm....:lol:

[puga_ni_nana]

I would like to take back what I said about Pacland not being a real boxing site.. It's a real boxing site but obviously there's alot of bias going around in there which is why I don't go there... But it's a good boxing site for the Pacman fans...

it is more of a fan site now than a boxing site. but it has updated news on pinoy boxers and you could get some news on japanese boxing scenes and a little on asian boxing.

[sues2nd]

pacman is an old fighter and his lifestyle has ruined him. he is talking about moving up because he cannot make it to 130 and its a bad sign. he proved himself at 130 but do you seriously believe he will do well at lightweight?

If he is selective of his opponents...

David Diaz and Julio he could beat. Same with Katsidis, Raheim and Chavez (but there aint much sense in any of those unless its a tuneup)

Casa would be tough, as would Juan. Campbell would also be a tough one (but may have to fight him Undefeated Ving Rhames - Wesley Snipes style :D ).

He could compete but not dominate like he has in the past.

[1punch1nder]

There isnt many people "hating" on him. He is one of my favorite fighters bro.

I never used the word "duck" or anything of the sort. I just pointed out that he is actually BIGGER than Diaz come fight night.

And Pac mentioned Diaz first. Pac mentioned moving up first. Most of the posts in here have sticked to this....not much hating going on at all.

What really sucks is, when someone disagrees with certain fans on this site of their favorite fighter (not just Pac...this goes on ALLLL the time...call it the Floyd Mayweather Jr rule....:yep ), they are suddenly haters and nuthuggers.

THAT, is what pisses ME OFF!

im not talking about you, you are a sensible person :good and i understand what you mean. i was talking about a few people here whose only purpose on esb is to bad mouth pacman.

[sues2nd]

im not talking about you, you are a sensible person :good and i understand what you mean. i was talking about a few people here whose only purpose on esb is to bad mouth pacman.

:good

[Spitfire7]

I meant at 130 and below...but I get your point.....and your sarcasm....:lol:

:good

[chimba]

Yea they do have good inside scoops on Asian Boxing that other sites don't cover.. I visited PACland frequently early in the year because they had new articles about PAc/CHI like every other minute.. :yep They have good articles but I stay away from the forum if you know what i mean.. :good

Black check out the forums in PCland again...you will see quite alot of Flips dissing PACman..now you wont see that anywhere else..in that sense its actually not a bad site...Filipinos discussing PAC objectively..coz they dont feel threatened by some "outsider" they can say what they really feel..check it out again, I read Filipinos picking MAB, lots of them

[puga_ni_nana]

Yea they do have good inside scoops on Asian Boxing that other sites don't cover.. I visited PACland frequently early in the year because they had new articles about PAc/CHI like every other minute.. :yep They have good articles but I stay away from the forum if you know what i mean.. :good

i get what you mean. i only browse its forums when there is a breaking news or some local RBRs.

[IsaL]

I thought Pac punches like a welterweight though?

No no, it was "he punches like a Super Middleweight!".:yep

But now he's smaller than Juan Diaz. I sense "FEAR".:hey

[puga_ni_nana]

Black check out the forums in PCland again...you will see quite alot of Flips dissing PACman..now you wont see that anywhere else..in that sense its actually not a bad site...Filipinos discussing PAC objectively..coz they dont feel threatened by some "outsider" they can say what they really feel..check it out again, I read Filipinos picking MAB, lots of them

there are many objective boxing fans in pacland but there are also pure fanatics. well over-all that site is improving. :D

[Spitfire7]

there are many objective boxing fans in pacland but there are also pure fanatics. well over-all that site is improving. :D

Improving?:-(( Unless its moderatorship is overhauled, it ain't going nowhere.:barf

[PacDbest]

What's wrong with you Pac fans. This Fight is made for Pac. Pac is P4P #2 this I think will be easier than you think for Pac. You guys doesn't really believe in Pac. Same as you don't believe in Nonito Donaire to beat Darchinyan. Pac Himself said He would easily beat Diaz. Nobody beats Pac toe to toe.

This fight won't happen right away. Diaz is not a Proven commodity yet but he's on his way. Diaz needs to be undisputed 135 Champ & beat Casa first so he will bring something to the Table. Diaz also need to show he can fill arenas with at least 8,000 - 10,000 paying patrons with his fights. I talk to a lot of Mexicans & they don't even know who Juan Diaz is. he Probably needs to fight inside Mexico. They can Probably Put Diaz in a Double header with Marquez-Vasquez 3. Mexico Desparetely needs a Hero Right now with the retirement of MAB & EM.

Pac-JMM I think is still the Next fight for Pac Coz both are Promoted by GBP. If JMM ovepriced his ass again, expect Pac-Valero tune up in the Philippines or Macau. Pac can meet Guzman at 135. Katsidis 0 lose should be reserve for Pac. 1st fight for Pac at 135 should be either David Diaz/Katsidis, he needs to settle his weight at 135 bofore he fights Juan.

[puga_ni_nana]

Improving?:-(( Unless its moderatorship is overhauled, it ain't going nowhere.:barf

i guess you were banned there? i heard of some moderators who take it personally when you oppose their opinions. are you one of the victims?

[puga_ni_nana]

What's wrong with you Pac fans. This Fight is made for Pac. Pac is P4P #2 this I think will be easier than you think for Pac. You guys doesn't really believe in Pac. Same as you don't believe in Nonito Donaire to beat Darchinyan. Pac Himself said He would easily beat Diaz. Nobody beats Pac toe to toe.

This fight won't happen right away. Diaz is not a Proven commodity yet but he's on his way. Diaz needs to be undisputed 135 Champ & beat Casa first so he will bring something to the Table. Diaz also need to show he can fill arenas with at least 8,000 - 10,000 paying patrons with his fights. I talk to a lot of Mexicans & they don't even know who Juan Diaz is. he Probably needs to fight inside Mexico. They can Probably Put Diaz in a Double header with Marquez-Vasquez 3. Mexico Desparetely needs a Hero Right now with the retirement of MAB & EM.

Pac-JMM I think is still the Next fight for Pac Coz both are Promoted by GBP. If JMM ovepriced his ass again, expect Pac-Valero tune up in the Philippines or Macau. Pac can meet Guzman at 135. Katsidis 0 lose should be reserve for Pac. 1st fight for Pac at 135 should be either David Diaz/Katsidis, he needs to settle his weight at 135 bofore he fights Juan.

off course i will not pick against pacquiao. i am just stating that he is a live underdog for this fight. :hey

[Boom_Boom]

GO donaire!!!! but this fight against maldonaldo is meaningless....

Dont blame him the guy has been doing everything to get a big fight but cant get one.

[IsaL]

What's wrong with you Pac fans.

Nothing, they're just not as blind and biased as you.:good

This Fight is made for Pac.

Funny, most of us feel Pac is made for Juan Diaz.:yep

Pac is P4P #2

boo hoo:rofl

Pac Himself said He would easily beat Diaz.

The Philipino God has spoken so it must be true.

Nobody beats Pac toe to toe.

Nobody? Let me ask you this.

How many guys like Juan Diaz has Pac fought? How many relentless body punchers in their prime, with better stamina and higher work rates, with mad speed. who would push Pac back and present him with something he's never seen before? The Bull.

This fight won't happen right away. Diaz is not a Proven commodity yet but he's on his way.

It won't happen right away because Pac knows he has unfinished business with an aging Marquez. He knows how much criticism and disrespect he will get if he doesn't fight Marquez and fights him asap.

Diaz has proven he's the best at 135 buddy. Don't know if you know this, but he is the best. A fight with Joel would be icing and should be made but he has already proved he is better P4P.

Diaz needs to be undisputed 135 Champ & beat Casa first so he will bring something to the Table. Diaz also need to show he can fill arenas with at least 8,000 - 10,000 paying patrons with his fights. I talk to a lot of Mexicans & they don't even know who Juan Diaz is. he Probably needs to fight inside Mexico. They can Probably Put Diaz in a Double header with Marquez-Vasquez 3. Mexico Desparetely needs a Hero Right now with the retirement of MAB & EM.

That you were spewing sounds like a bunch of bolony. Sounds like you are trying to use any and every excuse imaginable even if lame or pathetic to convince I don't know who (the boxing forces?) that a fight with the baby Bull isn't or shouldn't be intriguing when infact it is probably the best fight to be made after JMM if ofcourse Pac even gets through JMM.

Pac-JMM I think is still the Next fight for Pac Coz both are Promoted by GBP.

this is true

If JMM ovepriced his ass again.

This is more crap. JMM never overpriced himself, he just wanted a fair share for giving Pac a rematch where Pac was completely dominated in terms of rounds.

Erik Morales came in bitter and disrupted JMM-PAC negotiations after having lost to Barrera and offered Pac more money to fight him within 3 MONTHS OF FIGHTING AND LOSING TO BARRERA IN A WAR!!!

Pac opted to fight Morales and stopped negotiations with Marquez knowing that he had unfinshed business with him. JMM was not asking for a ridiculous amount.

If Pac was so confident he could have fought JMM who fought him to a draw and who many felt he beat Pac and then fought Morales all within the same year, but chose to fight Morales instead, knowing Morales had just lost to Barrera who he had TKO'd.

[IsaL]

Juan Diaz is the one calling out PAC, do you think Juan is he willing to go down to 130 or to a catchweight of 132.5 in order for the fight to happen immediately?

No, Pac needs to finish unsettled business with JMM at 130.

Then if by any chance he gets through him and he is still talking about moving to 135 and is still talking crap about how easy it is to beat Juan Diaz and this and that then he should put his money where his mouth is and Challenge Diaz at whatever weight they both agree.

[IsaL]

Forget JMM dude...

"PACQUIAO WANTS DIAZ, BUT SAYS MONEY SHOULD BE RIGHT"

link >> [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Maybe David Diaz can offer the money to lure PAC to 135... ;)

But I think Juan Diaz/Don King can give the better offer to PAC... :D

Heck no I can't forget about JMM! JMM embarrassed Pac in their fight. A rematch needs to be done!

[IsaL]

U guys are nuts. Styles makes fight. Juan Diaz had me impressed tonight but his style is tailor made for pac. So to give Pac, a fighter with the reputation as being the fiercest pressure fighter to have no chance against Diaz is just plain ignorant.Pac would land first second and third. U hit Pac clean he comes back with an avalanche.

Just coz Diaz landed a million shots against some paper champ don't mean he wins a brawl agaisnt Pac...Ha good luck with that, I've been watchin Pac since 99 and I've yet to see him not KO' fools within 6 rounds who try to brawl. The last person who chose to that is a future HOF'er and he didn't last 3 rounds.....and was never knocked out by anybody in his career, much less 3 rounds. I would luv to see this fight happen! Diaz is impressive no doubt, but Pac's rep was built on scintillating KO's of fighters who chose to trade. Pac's last non-wins were technical fight against HOF tacticians in Marquez and Morales. U do the math.

I actually think this would be a great competitive fight, and Pac should seriously consider it just coz of Juan's belts and his aggressive style. This is a legacy-makin fight. A natural 140 pounder in Juan and a naturalized 140 pounder in Pac. Note, when I say a naturalised 140....its in muscle composition, as in developed and fast twitch. That missile of a left that Pac throws will be findin a target all night. Pac will get off first and would be more explosive.

I luv Juan's style, he;s the type of fighter I'd dish out 50 for but to yall jumpin the bandwagon sayin Juan would run Pac out of the ring.....when was the last time u see that happen with Pac. Juan made a believer outta me tonight, but Pac is p4p for a reason.

That is where you are mistaking. Diaz is not really a receive three shots to land one type of fighter. He smothers punches and dodges and blocks them. He doesn't let his opponents set their feet, Pac needs to set his feet to land with his power because he jumps in with it.

Juan would push him back and win by throwing Pac off and overwhelming Pac.

[IsaL]

Haha.. :lol: PAC can forget JMM anytime in favor of the bigger money and more challenging fights against a Diaz at the more heavier division... :lol:

Oh but just a few days ago he was calling out David Diaz. uh huh?!:-(

Stop making excuses for him. He is preety good at that on his own.

[IsaL]

PAC is one boxer that does not usually set his feet to throw punches... PAC been criticized for not having the proper balance when throwing his punches... PAC punches from all angles and positions... This could mean hell to Juan...

I'd like to hear a comment to my previous post. But to comment on yours. Having to set your feet is often times considered a flaw rather than a benefit because it makes you predictable as to what you're going to throw.

Pac is more of a one trick pony than a fighter throwing a series of different punches from different angles. Are we talking about the same fighter?

[IsaL]

So you consider JMM as the bigger fight for PAC compared to David Diaz? :lol: Time to forget JMM dude...

Your obviously knew to the sport or not very informed.

JMM is a bigger star than DD
JMM has fought better comp than DD
JMM beat the man (MAB) who beat the man (EM) who made DD the star that he is right now.
JMM beat PAC 9 out of 12 rounds.
JMM got a draw with PAC. PAC had an excuse, his socks (the ones you wear on your feet) hurt him.
JMM would bring more money than DD.
JMM and PAc have unsettled business.
JMM is considered P4P by many. PAC is considered P4P by many. DD is not.

After analysing my comment and rethinking my hypothesys about you, I have come to the conclusion that you my friend don't know what you're talking about.
:hi:

[IsaL]

You need to set your feet in order to deliver a more powerful punches... PAC didn't usually do that since he's so fast and his speed compensates the lesser power delivered... but with amazing velocity... PAC is the most unpredictable boxer you can face... that's what make him the most exciting boxer out there...

Man we must be talking about someone totally different. The PAC that I'm talking about is exciting because of the freak power he showed at 126 and to some degree at 130.

You're talking about a guy that reminds me of a fighter like Naseem Hamed.

Besides, you have proven in these last few minutes that you don't know too much about this sport so why should I bother.

[IsaL]

I only have one question to your long list dude, what can you say if Juarez beats JMM? :patsch

What!???:huh

I still think that David Diaz is the bigger money fight since it's in heavier weight division and JMM can't draw flies ... :D

I'll be honest with you. I like you, you seem like a stand up guy, but I feel like I'm talking to my 4 year old son.

It's okay, I know it's late and I've caught myslef making absoloutley no sense and still trying to defend my giberish at those wee hours of the very early morning when I should be nice to my body and mind and be asleep.:-((

[IsaL]

Have a nice sleep dude... and don't dream about JMM coz it might turn into a nightmare ... just forget JMM ... ;)

LOl. Goodnight.

[PJ]

After Pac watched Juan vs Julio, Pac has decided to stay away from 135 and is considering 122-126.:D That way he can say that 135 is too much for him...

[dangerousity]

HE IS NOT SMALLER!!!

Pac 5'6 1/2 | 67" reach | Weighed 144 before the MAB fight last weekend.

Juan is 5'6 | 67" reach (tho it seems shorter...I may be wrong) | weighed 142 tonight

HOW IS JUAN THE BIGGER MAN?!?!?!?

:patsch

Its called natural frame. If you look at bone density Pac is the much smaller man and he only wieghs more cos hes packed on alot of muscle over the years. Castillo weighed as much as Hatton and was infact taller, no doubt he was the smaller man walking into that fight. Duran was the smaller man against all the MW's yet may have weighed the same fight night...thats cos his natural bodyframe is a LW. James Toney weighes more than Tyson FFS, I guarantee you that he is the naturally smaller man.

You would think people would understand by now the difference between fight night weight and natural weight. Floyd can bulk up to weigh more than Mike Tyson...will he then be the bigger man?

[Morrissey]

That is quite a challenge from Diaz eh.

[el mosquito]

now, now kids, you are all just probably hyped and delusioned after watching Juan diaz slapped Julio into a TKO. but it will pass, Pacquiao is levels above Juan Diaz, let me tell you, in the future, Pacquiao will beat and toy Cotto and soon you would all forget about Diaz as a Pacquiao opponent, except perhaps for Freddy-Wak lol. Mark my words lol

[Vengeance]

This thread is comedic gold :lol:

I can't lie though. Two years ago I probably would've said Diaz would maul Pac too.

[Jeff Young]

damn, Juan is an ATG in this thread:lol:....but seriously guys leave the kid alone...he is an exciting fighter, and is a 3-time world champ....world class LW......pacquiao is just in a different galaxy compared to Juan...

[igor_otsky]

now, now kids, you are all just probably hyped and delusioned after watching juan diaz slapped julio into a tko. But it will pass, pacquiao is levels above juan diaz, let me tell you, in the future, pacquiao will beat and toy cotto and soon you would all forget about diaz as a pacquiao opponent, except perhaps for freddy-wak lol. Mark my words lol

wow

[hmi]

How time and perception flies. We thought Pac has maxed out at 130lbs and here he is scheduled to fight Floyd at 147lbs and there are even rumors that he will cherrypick(!) the 154lbs champ Yuri Foreman.

[onin_5]

@el mosquito

are you insane? pac barely beat JMM, the biggest robbery in history! now, how is pac gonna beat a young fighter like baby bull? i think it's time for pac to fight a young and prime fighter let alone cotto :D

[fytelod]

That is where you are mistaking. Diaz is not really a receive three shots to land one type of fighter. He smothers punches and dodges and blocks them. He doesn't let his opponents set their feet, Pac needs to set his feet to land with his power because he jumps in with it.

Juan would push him back and win by throwing Pac off and overwhelming Pac.

Great analysis there with Juan Diaz beating Pacquiao. Must be a Juan Diaz nuthugger. :lol:

[PIPO23]

Juan Diaz is no MORALES or Juan Manuel Marquez

He thinks he is not even close.

[kadyo]

Nice dig LOL

[blur]

now, now kids, you are all just probably hyped and delusioned after watching Juan diaz slapped Julio into a TKO. but it will pass, Pacquiao is levels above Juan Diaz, let me tell you, in the future, Pacquiao will beat and toy Cotto and soon you would all forget about Diaz as a Pacquiao opponent, except perhaps for Freddy-Wak lol. Mark my words lol
pacdbeast, is that you?

[zerocool1523]

digging up uliuli's shitty posts once again.

[dangerousity]

Always the same people looking stupid. They obviously cant break down fighst too well so why do they bother, pseudoexperts. WHats worse is that despite being proven wrong again and again, they will come here again next time and act like their analysis and prediction of a fight is the be all end all answer.

[redifish]

I make my observation today, Julio make an experiment & tried a Southpaw stands & I Imagine Pac was there Fighting Juan. Here's the key, Pac's has Longer 25" Arms compare to Diaz 21". Pac's actually Bigger at 5'6 1/2" & 144 lbs at fightnight while Juan at 5'6" & comes in at 142 lbs. Pac's faster & more Pop & Throw straighter Punches. Both relentless & we know toe to toe is Manny's Forte.

Diaz is hittable & I see Pac catc
hing him with Right Hook as he move forward or will be met with Straight left & move out before Juan can Counter. Juan has Chin & Stamina to make it to the Championship round but he will be busted by then & will lose by Corner stoppage or by Cuts.

I like this fight for Pac. I won't be bored & this will bring back the old Destroyer Pac.

You're a god. :)

[puga_ni_nana]

off course i will not pick against pacquiao. i am just stating that he is a live underdog for this fight. :hey

good thing i have not said something stupid in this thread more than 2 years ago except that i misspelled "of course" and said that pac was maxed-out at 130.

after reading this thread, i have concluded that either juan diaz was severely overrated here in ESB back then or pac was severely underrated.

[charlievint]

Nothing, they're just not as blind and biased as you.:good



Funny, most of us feel Pac is made for Juan Diaz.:yep



boo hoo:rofl



The Philipino God has spoken so it must be true.



Nobody? Let me ask you this.

How many guys like Juan Diaz has Pac fought? How many relentless body punchers in their prime, with better stamina and higher work rates, with mad speed. who would push Pac back and present him with something he's never seen before? The Bull.



It won't happen right away because Pac knows he has unfinished business with an aging Marquez. He knows how much criticism and disrespect he will get if he doesn't fight Marquez and fights him asap.

Diaz has proven he's the best at 135 buddy. Don't know if you know this, but he is the best. A fight with Joel would be icing and should be made but he has already proved he is better P4P.



That you were spewing sounds like a bunch of bolony. Sounds like you are trying to use any and every excuse imaginable even if lame or pathetic to convince I don't know who (the boxing forces?) that a fight with the baby Bull isn't or shouldn't be intriguing when infact it is probably the best fight to be made after JMM if ofcourse Pac even gets through JMM.



this is true



This is more crap. JMM never overpriced himself, he just wanted a fair share for giving Pac a rematch where Pac was completely dominated in terms of rounds.

Erik Morales came in bitter and disrupted JMM-PAC negotiations after having lost to Barrera and offered Pac more money to fight him within 3 MONTHS OF FIGHTING AND LOSING TO BARRERA IN A WAR!!!

Pac opted to fight Morales and stopped negotiations with Marquez knowing that he had unfinshed business with him. JMM was not asking for a ridiculous amount.

If Pac was so confident he could have fought JMM who fought him to a draw and who many felt he beat Pac and then fought Morales all within the same year, but chose to fight Morales instead, knowing Morales had just lost to Barrera who he had TKO'd.

:deal Uli.....Time has passed and for some reason I think you still kind of feel this way about PAC.

[enzo]

I'd like to hear a comment to my previous post. But to comment on yours. Having to set your feet is often times considered a flaw rather than a benefit because it makes you predictable as to what you're going to throw.

Pac is more of a one trick pony than a fighter throwing a series of different punches from different angles. Are we talking about the same fighter?

you don't know shit clown dog!!! :yep

you should stay away from pac threads. :yep

[TommyV]

now, now kids, you are all just probably hyped and delusioned after watching Juan diaz slapped Julio into a TKO. but it will pass, Pacquiao is levels above Juan Diaz, let me tell you, in the future, Pacquiao will beat and toy Cotto and soon you would all forget about Diaz as a Pacquiao opponent, except perhaps for Freddy-Wak lol. Mark my words lol

#1 - People can see your post-times.
#2 - That was remarkably unfunny.

digging up uliuli's shitty posts once again.

Always the same people looking stupid. They obviously cant break down fighst too well so why do they bother, pseudoexperts. WHats worse is that despite being proven wrong again and again, they will come here again next time and act like their analysis and prediction of a fight is the be all end all answer.

you don't know shit clown dog!!! :yep

you should stay away from pac threads. :yep

Why do cunts like you have to come and post in these bumped threads gloating as if you knew back in '07 that Pac would be where he is now? None of you commented back then saying that Pac would beat Juan Diaz, so why the fuck are you all gloating as if you did? Bunch of cunts, I bet I could troll though you're posts and find some shit predictions. Fuck right off. Wankers.

[vegasdude]

He is not a slick tall black figther so the answer if NO.

[Jordan]

I was going to post this but you beat me too it. The baby bull would run Pac out of the ring. This would be a great fight and needs to be made.


Fuck me, no wonder the general forum is ridiculed. 'Cotto would murder Pac'. Get real you flids.

[enzo]

Why do cunts like you have to come and post in these bumped threads gloating as if you knew back in '07 that Pac would be where he is now? None of you commented back then saying that Pac would beat Juan Diaz, so why the fuck are you all gloating as if you did? Bunch of cunts, I bet I could troll though you're posts and find some shit predictions. Fuck right off. Wankers.


uliuli is a consistent failure when it comes to pac. :deal

[TommyV]

uliuli is a consistent failure when it comes to pac. :deal

Well a lot of other people agreed with him given Diaz was at his best, clearing out the 135 division, and Pac was at 130, still relatively one-dimensional at the time or certainly not as complete as he is now, had just struggled badly with JMM and lost in a lot of people's eyes, and was moving up in weight.

So where the fuck is your prediction saying that Pac would've beaten Diaz and/or would be where he is now? Exactly. Nowhere.

[enzo]

Well a lot of other people agreed with him given Diaz was at his best, clearing out the 135 division, and Pac was at 130, still relatively one-dimensional at the time or certainly not as complete as he is now, had just struggled badly with JMM and lost in a lot of people's eyes, and was moving up in weight.

So where the fuck is your prediction saying that Pac would've beaten Diaz and/or would be where he is now? Exactly. Nowhere.


Uliuli is a consistent pac hater... a jealous cunt who can't stop hating on pac coz he beat all his fav mexican fighters.... i don't have to explain it to you . I don't even have anything to say bout the topic coz i remember picking pac to beat diaz a long time ago. I just have to leave a comment after seeing the clown Uliuli got owned again. :yep

[dangerousity]

#1 - People can see your post-times.
#2 - That was remarkably unfunny.







Why do cunts like you have to come and post in these bumped threads gloating as if you knew back in '07 that Pac would be where he is now? None of you commented back then saying that Pac would beat Juan Diaz, so why the fuck are you all gloating as if you did? Bunch of cunts, I bet I could troll though you're posts and find some shit predictions. Fuck right off. Wankers.

Or maybe because I did say Pac would beat Juan Diaz? I made comments like that when Pac was still 130lbs, telling people that no limited come forward fighter like JD around Pac's weight class can beat him. Yet time and time again, idiots keep telling me Pac is 1 dimensional, cannot fight going backwards blah blah, time and time again Im proven right in this board, time and time again the same people who claim to be "experts" are proven wrong. Im sick of it and wish people would learn their lesson.

if someone comes to me and tells me PBF can beat Pavlik...I would call them names or tell them their retarded...because anything in boxing is possible. Yet people call anyone who makes a claim for Pac "pactard" all the time...and 90% of the time, the pactard is correct!

[charlievint]

#1 - People can see your post-times.
#2 - That was remarkably unfunny.







Why do cunts like you have to come and post in these bumped threads gloating as if you knew back in '07 that Pac would be where he is now? None of you commented back then saying that Pac would beat Juan Diaz, so why the fuck are you all gloating as if you did? Bunch of cunts, I bet I could troll though you're posts and find some shit predictions. Fuck right off. Wankers.

I did.....Juan for me has never been on the level of guys like JMM, EM, MAB or PAC. But all this bumping of threads is the norm here. Don't take it to heart b/c that shit will not change here at ESB.

[dangerousity]

Well a lot of other people agreed with him given Diaz was at his best, clearing out the 135 division, and Pac was at 130, still relatively one-dimensional at the time or certainly not as complete as he is now, had just struggled badly with JMM and lost in a lot of people's eyes, and was moving up in weight.

So where the fuck is your prediction saying that Pac would've beaten Diaz and/or would be where he is now? Exactly. Nowhere.

Thank fcuk for search:


I still stand by the fact that Juan Diaz would get obliterated though. He gets hit far too much, at the same time he can land a 6punch combination against a guy and they will still keep coming forward acting unphased. Pac has shown to have a good chin so I dont see why any different. Difference is, if Pac lands a combination on any fighter so far, they clearly show their hurt. Juan Diaz cannot outbox Pac from the outside, and he cant outpunch someone with equal output, more powerful and faster. Pac also has fast feet to dart in and out.
Pac vs Juan Diaz would be very one sided, alot more one sided than people would think in favour of Pac. I think after Pac destroys a big fighter like David, the difference in power between Juan & Pac will be evident. A fighter who fits the bill of what you described is Castillo prime, skilled enough to get in and smother Pac whilst able to take plenty of damage should he need to, with his own power. Then again, I think Pac maybe too much for Castillo but i'll reserve my judgement on that until future fights of Pac show us what he can do at these weights.
I also agree that its very dificult to counterpunch Pac as even p4p masters at it have trouble doing it. However, IMO when fighting counterpunchers he is still at an style disadvantage and his ability to deal with them is more a testament to his p4p status.

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I just think any straight come forward fighter would get obliterated by Pac. I would think the same if Pac were fighting Katsidis or Juan Diaz. The only time you can have success with Pac is by trying to outbox him...usually height with good boxing skills + chin is an advantage or if your name is JMM.

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Pac is not going to beat Hatton.
It will be intersting to come here after this match. I can guarantee Pac fans will be suprised about how Hatton moves Pac backward and I can also guarantee they will think he got wronged by Hatton's clinches and bullying of the smaller man. Its going to be a story of the larger man, with the larger frame, carrying the day in a weight class in which he is conditioned to go 12 rounds in. He will push Pac backwars all night and his body work will be effective against a fighter who stands in front of him and doesn't use lateral movement.
Typical overating of Pac going on here and lack of understanding of weight class.

My reply:
Or perhaps typical case of overestimating weight class? If Hatton is forbidden to clinch like the PBF fight, id favour Pac. If he can clinch, Hatton all the way inside 7 rounds via a bodyshot.
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I am 95% sure Pac will win this fight. JMM was a stylistic nightmare for Pac, he was fast with crisp straight punches and difficult to hit. Diaz is nowhere near as fast, nowhere near as crisp, IMO dont have as much power and there to be hit. Pac has put the 3 great mexicans on the canvas 12 times, he carries serious power and Juan Diaz style would just be feeding him to the lions den.

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People are overrating Diaz power and underrating Pac's. Pac put Morales down in 3, LW David couldnt do it in 12. A 135 Pac is gonna be even more powerful and the fact that Diaz walks into straight punches says to me that its lightsout within 6 round. Pac by KO.
Seriously, I would give Guzman & Valero a much higher chance of beating Pacman. Infact right now im 50/50 with Guzzy-Pac but Diaz brings nothing to the table to beat Pac. Pac has been beaten by great boxers, great boxers with iron chins who tried to slug it out paid dearly.

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I say Manny takes a beating in this fight, win or lose this is going to be Mannys toughest fight IMO this fight will let manny know he is in his weight class, Mayweather Cotto Williams Margarito Clottey hell probably even Cintron would all crush Manny Pac right now

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You're wrong. Pac does everything Hatton does, better. You speak of weight class but if Manny can KO an iron chinned Diaz (watch his fight with Holt to see why) who is naturally a JWW anyways and stop iron chinned DLH, then he has power to KO Hatton.
This is one of the easier big fights to predict of the last few years. The last big fight ive gotten wrong was DLH-PBF, and that was an SD.

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Hatton KO5. No contest, Hatton is elite. Too much strength and power at 140, and his stamina is still better than Juan. Even the older Kostya Hatton fought would still KO Juan inside 3 rounds.




Good enough evidence for you in me picking Pac over Juan way back? I always back up my analysis with actual results or something that becomes much clearer later on. Pseudo-experts here back up their analysis with "lol pactard dont know boxing" and made to look like an idiot later.

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I make my observation today, Julio make an experiment & tried a Southpaw stands & I Imagine Pac was there Fighting Juan. Here's the key, Pac's has Longer 25" Arms compare to Diaz 21". Pac's actually Bigger at 5'6 1/2" & 144 lbs at fightnight while Juan at 5'6" & comes in at 142 lbs. Pac's faster & more Pop & Throw straighter Punches. Both relentless & we know toe to toe is Manny's Forte.

Diaz is hittable & I see Pac catching him with Right Hook as he move forward or will be met with Straight left & move out before Juan can Counter. Juan has Chin & Stamina to make it to the Championship round but he will be busted by then & will lose by Corner stoppage or by Cuts.

I like this fight for Pac. I won't be bored & this will bring back the old Destroyer Pac.

if the fight happened, this would inevitably be the outcome!:deal

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I still stand by the fact that Juan Diaz would get obliterated though. He gets hit far too much, at the same time he can land a 6punch combination against a guy and they will still keep coming forward acting unphased. Pac has shown to have a good chin so I dont see why any different. Difference is, if Pac lands a combination on any fighter so far, they clearly show their hurt. Juan Diaz cannot outbox Pac from the outside, and he cant outpunch someone with equal output, more powerful and faster. Pac also has fast feet to dart in and out.
Pac vs Juan Diaz would be very one sided, alot more one sided than people would think in favour of Pac. I think after Pac destroys a big fighter like David, the difference in power between Juan & Pac will be evident. A fighter who fits the bill of what you described is Castillo prime, skilled enough to get in and smother Pac whilst able to take plenty of damage should he need to, with his own power. Then again, I think Pac maybe too much for Castillo but i'll reserve my judgement on that until future fights of Pac show us what he can do at these weights.
I also agree that its very dificult to counterpunch Pac as even p4p masters at it have trouble doing it. However, IMO when fighting counterpunchers he is still at an style disadvantage and his ability to deal with them is more a testament to his p4p status.

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I just think any straight come forward fighter would get obliterated by Pac. I would think the same if Pac were fighting Katsidis or Juan Diaz. The only time you can have success with Pac is by trying to outbox him...usually height with good boxing skills + chin is an advantage or if your name is JMM.

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Pac is not going to beat Hatton.
It will be intersting to come here after this match. I can guarantee Pac fans will be suprised about how Hatton moves Pac backward and I can also guarantee they will think he got wronged by Hatton's clinches and bullying of the smaller man. Its going to be a story of the larger man, with the larger frame, carrying the day in a weight class in which he is conditioned to go 12 rounds in. He will push Pac backwars all night and his body work will be effective against a fighter who stands in front of him and doesn't use lateral movement.
Typical overating of Pac going on here and lack of understanding of weight class.

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Or perhaps typical case of overestimating weight class? If Hatton is forbidden to clinch like the PBF fight, id favour Pac. If he can clinch, Hatton all the way inside 7 rounds via a bodyshot.
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I am 95% sure Pac will win this fight. JMM was a stylistic nightmare for Pac, he was fast with crisp straight punches and difficult to hit. Diaz is nowhere near as fast, nowhere near as crisp, IMO dont have as much power and there to be hit. Pac has put the 3 great mexicans on the canvas 12 times, he carries serious power and Juan Diaz style would just be feeding him to the lions den.

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People are overrating Diaz power and underrating Pac's. Pac put Morales down in 3, LW David couldnt do it in 12. A 135 Pac is gonna be even more powerful and the fact that Diaz walks into straight punches says to me that its lightsout within 6 round. Pac by KO.
Seriously, I would give Guzman & Valero a much higher chance of beating Pacman. Infact right now im 50/50 with Guzzy-Pac but Diaz brings nothing to the table to beat Pac. Pac has been beaten by great boxers, great boxers with iron chins who tried to slug it out paid dearly.

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I say Manny takes a beating in this fight, win or lose this is going to be Mannys toughest fight IMO this fight will let manny know he is in his weight class, Mayweather Cotto Williams Margarito Clottey hell probably even Cintron would all crush Manny Pac right now

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You're wrong. Pac does everything Hatton does, better. You speak of weight class but if Manny can KO an iron chinned Diaz (watch his fight with Holt to see why) who is naturally a JWW anyways and stop iron chinned DLH, then he has power to KO Hatton.
This is one of the easier big fights to predict of the last few years. The last big fight ive gotten wrong was DLH-PBF, and that was an SD.

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Hatton KO5. No contest, Hatton is elite. Too much strength and power at 140, and his stamina is still better than Juan. Even the older Kostya Hatton fought would still KO Juan inside 3 rounds.




Good enough evidence for you in me picking Pac over Juan way back? I always back up my analysis with actual results or something that becomes much clearer later on. Pseudo-experts here back up their analysis with "lol pactard dont know boxing" and made to look like an idiot later.

I do remember those times.

Good call.

Pactard.

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if the fight happened, this would inevitably be the outcome!:deal
the thing is, freddy-wak doesnt think so:yepuntil now he still thinks the pac of 135lbs will get beat by baby ball

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You need to set your feet in order to deliver a more powerful punches... PAC didn't usually do that since he's so fast and his speed compensates the lesser power delivered... but with amazing velocity... PAC is the most unpredictable boxer you can face... that's what make him the most exciting boxer out there...

Good observation.

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Come on Pac, step up! He said come fight a young Mexican fighter!

:lol: he was wobbled by paulie and put on his arse by marquez
pac would punch him out of the arena