View Full Version : Best Cruiserweight gym is based in Berlin...
Tom_Tocca
10-14-2007, 01:43 PM
That's a fact...you can't get better worldclass competition than there.
regular guys at Sauerland gym:
Marco Huck, Yoan Pablo Hernandez, Alexander Frenkel
than you have Krystof Wlodarcyk who comes to spar from time to time...
btw, Hernandez seemed to dominate Wlodarcyk in sparring (ok, sparring isn't a real fight but Hernandez looked so much faster and technically sound).
pioterbezkitu
10-14-2007, 02:16 PM
That's a fact...you can't get better worldclass competition than there.
regular guys at Sauerland gym:
Marco Huck, Yoan Pablo Hernandez, Alexander Frenkel
than you have Krystof Wlodarcyk who comes to spar from time to time...
btw, Hernandez seemed to dominate Wlodarcyk in sparring (ok, sparring isn't a real fight but Hernandez looked so much faster and technically sound).
I've read that Wlodarczyk knocked him down in last sparring session.
Tom_Tocca
10-14-2007, 02:21 PM
I've read that Wlodarczyk knocked him down in last sparring session.
I saw a bit of a session in mid-September...but this would approve my thougths on Hernandez: he is the most gifted of the above 4 (either handspeed, movement and technique) but has the weakest chin. Though he could win a championship...
btw, in a documention I saw today AA brother, Alexander Abraham, was knocked down in sparring by a polish lmw/mw out of the Hammer-gym...
pioterbezkitu
10-14-2007, 02:23 PM
I saw a bit of a session in mid-September...but this would approve my thougths on Hernandez: he is the most gifted of the above 4 (either handspeed, movement and technique) but has the weakest chin. Though he could win a championship...
btw, in a documention I saw today AA brother, Alexander Abraham, was knocked down in sparring by a polish lmw/mw out of the Hammer-gym...
Polish jr mw prospect Damian Jonak. Kid has some serious power but needs to work on his skill and stamina.
Tom_Tocca
10-14-2007, 02:26 PM
Polish jr mw prospect Damian Jonak. Kid has some serious power but needs to work on his skill and stamina.
Alexander broke his right thumb along the way in this session and is possibly out until December/January...
pioterbezkitu
10-14-2007, 02:29 PM
Alexander broke his right thumb along the way in this session and is possibly out until December/January...
That's bad, hope he gets back even earlier!
My bad! Wlodarczyk didn't knock down Hernandez, Hernandez asked to end the sparring session late in 8th round after some hard shots the the body.
Tom_Tocca
10-14-2007, 02:32 PM
That's bad, hope he gets back even earlier!
My bad! Wlodarczyk didn't knock down Hernandez, Hernandez asked to end the sparring session late in 8th round after some hard shots the the body.
ok, fair enough. But still I think that Hernandez has a questionable chin...we might see when he steps up in competition which shouldn't be too long away from now...
Tom_Tocca
10-14-2007, 05:22 PM
Do you have some infos about Frenkel's sparring?
unitas
10-14-2007, 05:24 PM
Frenkel looks like a killer from what i have seen. another natural with no amateur background like AA.
Tom_Tocca
10-14-2007, 05:27 PM
Frenkel looks like a killer from what i have seen. another natural with no amateur background like AA.
Abraham had about 90 fights in the amateurs...
unitas
10-14-2007, 05:29 PM
Abraham had about 90 fights in the amateurs...
yes, i know, i meant without having a star amateur career......you know, winning medals at big tournaments.
i know he had amateur fights, but i dont think he was a top flight guy.
Tom_Tocca
10-14-2007, 05:34 PM
yes, i know, i meant without having a star amateur career......you know, winning medals at big tournaments.
i know he had amateur fights, but i dont think he was a top flight guy.
He only fought in the juniors and won something like the international german championship at the age of 17. He went on going back to Armenia and tried to go on to the Olympic Games but he failed (for whatever reasons) and had to serve for 2 years in the Armenian army. Then he came back to Germany at the end of 2002...sparred Ottke and got a deal with SE...
maciek4
10-14-2007, 05:38 PM
Marco Huck is a monster. He is the best cruiserweight right now.
Ring Master
10-14-2007, 06:12 PM
That's a fact...you can't get better worldclass competition than there.
regular guys at Sauerland gym:
Marco Huck, Yoan Pablo Hernandez, Alexander Frenkel
than you have Krystof Wlodarcyk who comes to spar from time to time...
btw, Hernandez seemed to dominate Wlodarcyk in sparring (ok, sparring isn't a real fight but Hernandez looked so much faster and technically sound).
who is Hernandez?
Tom_Tocca
10-15-2007, 12:37 AM
who is Hernandez?
He's a Cuban based in Germany, he's already ranked in boxrec's top20...a fast and mobile guy with ok punching power.
That's a fact...you can't get better worldclass competition than there.
regular guys at Sauerland gym:
Marco Huck, Yoan Pablo Hernandez, Alexander Frenkel
than you have Krystof Wlodarcyk who comes to spar from time to time...
btw, Hernandez seemed to dominate Wlodarcyk in sparring (ok, sparring isn't a real fight but Hernandez looked so much faster and technically sound).
Universum's gym can boast with some very good cruisers,too.
Olympic silver medalist Kraj,Russsian amateur star Alexeev,Firat Arslan,and Grigory Drozd train there.
Arslan will challlenge Virgil Hill next week,Alexeev gave tough Argie Avila short shrift who had been able to involve Hernandez in a death and life struggle,Kraj has been undefeated so far,and Drozd is a top fighter.
To be honest I for my part would claim that Kraj,Alexeev,Drozd,and Arlsan are better names than Hernandez,Frenkel,Huck,and Wlodarcyzk.
Tom_Tocca
10-15-2007, 01:04 PM
Universum's gym can boast with some very good cruisers,too.
Olympic silver medalist Kraj,Russsian amateur star Alexeev,Firat Arslan,and Grigory Drozd train there.
Arslan will challlenge Virgil Hill next week,Alexeev gave tough Argie Avila short shrift who had been able to involve Hernandez in a death and life struggle,Kraj has been undefeated so far,and Drozd is a top fighter.
To be honest I for my part would claim that Kraj,Alexeev,Drozd,and Arlsan are better names than Hernandez,Frenkel,Huck,and Wlodarcyzk.
Drozd isn't there that often - mos of the time he's training in Russia and only comes to Hamburg abou 2 weeks before a fight.
Alexeev, Kraj are about at the same level as Hernandez at the moment.
Frenkel is still developing.
No doubt that Huck is the best of the bunch and Wlodarcyk, Arslan are both close in 2nd places...
andyZOR
10-15-2007, 04:50 PM
I wanna see Ding v Wlodarczyk
^^
Tom_Tocca
10-15-2007, 04:59 PM
I wanna see Ding v Wlodarczyk
^^
Ding wants a title shot right away...he said he don't want to fight Huck at the moment, only beltholders...
andyZOR
10-15-2007, 05:24 PM
Ding wants a title shot right away...he said he don't want to fight Huck at the moment, only beltholders...
No. Ding says he either wants a title shot or a eliminator. A title shot for him now is not possible. Mormeck is fighting Haye, Enzo is fighting some bum and Cunninhamm is fighting Adamek. His best option now is Wlodarczyk.
Hawks28
10-15-2007, 07:09 PM
That's a fact...you can't get better worldclass competition than there.
regular guys at Sauerland gym:
Marco Huck, Yoan Pablo Hernandez, Alexander Frenkel
than you have Krystof Wlodarcyk who comes to spar from time to time...
btw, Hernandez seemed to dominate Wlodarcyk in sparring (ok, sparring isn't a real fight but Hernandez looked so much faster and technically sound).
Ive been very impressed with what I have seen from Huck. When does he fight again?
Not as familiar with the other 2. Havent seen Hernandez, but Ive heard good things about him. I had never heard of Frenkel before, is he a top prospect to watch out for?
Drozd isn't there that often - mos of the time he's training in Russia and only comes to Hamburg abou 2 weeks before a fight.
Alexeev, Kraj are about at the same level as Hernandez at the moment.
Frenkel is still developing.
No doubt that Huck is the best of the bunch and Wlodarcyk, Arslan are both close in 2nd places...
Huck has faced and beaten the best opposition up to this point in time.I quite agree with you.I was flabbergusted watching him dominate Tokarev in his outing to a ring! Awesome!
Wladarcyzk ? I have never been sold on him! Totally overrated IMO.
Kraj and Alexeev would have defeated Cunningham-the Pole didnt impress me much in his two encounters with Cunningham who is no outstanding fighter either.
As for Hernandez being on the same level with Kraj and Alexeev I tend to disagree with you.
Alexeev gave Avila short shrift whereas the young Cuban had a death and life struggle with that Argentinian journeyman.
Hernandez looked quite convincing in his last fight.............against limited opposition.
IMO Alexeev has faced and defeated better opposition than Hernandez,but I wouldnt argue the toss about it.My gut feeling just tries to tell me that the young Cuban needs more time to take on better foes than Alexeev.
Alexeev is on the point of facing good names.He was a successful amateur feared for his firepower.
I for my part think that he can be the news cruiser weight king.
Huck vs Alexeev would be a great fight IMO.
Kraj lacks agressiveness.Usually he plays it safe.His style isnt the most exciting and crowd pleasing one out there.
Both Huck and Alexeev are entertaining fighter-fun to watch.
Damn! The cruiser weight division is truly one of the hottest at present.Lots of good fighters there.
Tom_Tocca
10-16-2007, 10:40 AM
Ive been very impressed with what I have seen from Huck. When does he fight again?
Not as familiar with the other 2. Havent seen Hernandez, but Ive heard good things about him. I had never heard of Frenkel before, is he a top prospect to watch out for?
Alexander Frenkel has good handspeed and one-punch-KO power but often fails to set it up correctly. He often seems to be off-balance, I would compare his style to Zab Judahs...he can become someone at CW, maybe even HW...
Alexander Frenkel has good handspeed and one-punch-KO power but often fails to set it up correctly. He often seems to be off-balance, I would compare his style to Zab Judahs...he can be come someone at CW, maybe even HW...
Heavyweight? Frenkel? Too small,tom! I watched his last fight live,and after his fight he returned to the arena joining a bunch of Armenians who were standing in front of my row.I am bigger than Frenkel,and I am not that big.Frenkel is far too small to take on the big boys!
The same can be said about Alexeev!
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