PBF says Holmes is best heavyweight ever

[iksrtfo]

This is may be old but it was in this months "Maxim".
I am to young to know much about Larry Holmes. The only fight I ever saw with him was when he was past his prime and was destroyed by Tyson.

He said Holmes was the best ever, Tyson only beat people because they were scared of him and if they were not scared they would have whooped his ass. He also said Ali is only considered the greatest because he said it.

Was Larry Holmes that good?

[bladerunner]

at least he didnt say he was the best HW ever.

[FlatNose]

Holmes was really good, tough and ballsy.The only thing that hurt his historical impact was his lack of serious opposistion.Cooney was a fantasy, Weaver was an over achieving clubfighter and guys like Leroy Jones and Lorenzo Zanon were outright jokes.Earnie Shavers gave it a good go, but Earnie was a bottom 5 contender left over from the 70's.Renaldo Snipes was strong, rugged and could crack, but was comparetivly unskilled.Holmes tended to fight up to his opposistion, so if he had a Frazier , Foreman or some other considerable nemisis, we really would have seen what Larry could do.Of course by the time Holmes fought Spinks he was slipping, and was way past it by the time he fought Tyson.He had some decent showings afterwards, like beating Ray Mercer and troubling Holyfield a bit, but unfortunatly we never got to see what Larry could really achieve.

[shavers]

PBF is a moron....hands down. You can always tell when he is lying or just talking with his ego...its when his lips are moving.

He doesn't know squat about HW boxing. I think its hard to put Holmes in the top 15 or maybe even top 20 of all time. Theres just way too many that are better.

He DID have an innovative, powerful jab. I give him credit for that.

Get off the crack pipe:patsch
Name 15 heavys that are better than Holmes?

[jasonrhodes]

larry holmes was amazing, & in my opinion, along with mike tyson, the last of the true heavyweight champions. when he was champ, you knew who the champ was, and for a whole lot of years, he whupped all comers. do i think he was the greatest? no, and that's partially because he simply didn't have the kind of fights and rivalries that defined the sport the way ali did. that's not necessarily his fault, it's just the way it is. but in remembering holmes' greatness, we should also tip our cap to ali in another respect: holmes went to boxing graduate school at the muhammad ali school of boxing, honing his skills by sparring thousands of rounds with the greatest--what price could anyone put on that? anyway, holmes was a great fighter and is a nice guy. his biography, against the odds, is worth a read.

[ChrisPontius]

Holmes was great and had a long reign as a champion. He did leave a lot of questions and frustrations behind though. He never gave rematches in close fights (Witherspoon, Weaver, Norton, Williams) unlike Louis or Ali for instance.

He also failed to meet 4 men who were very deserving challengers during one period or another in Thomas, Page, Coetzee and Dokes. Particularly Thomas should've gotten a shot, but in his own words, "i aint fighting no coke addict". That was classless. He dropped his WBC belt to avoid Page and fight a few 10 fight embryo's. This was in a time when the other belts like IBF meant as much as the IBO does today. But he was miraculously gifted the IBF belt after avoiding Page. Post Cooney (1982) he didn't want to take any risk anymore and basically took easy fights.

While all of the above is true, it only emphasises on the negative sides. He does have a great jab, excellent chin & recovering ability, ring smarts and top stamina. He also has very good longetivity as he beat Mercer when he was in his 40's. Although no belt was on the line, i thought that was just as impressive as Foreman beating Moorer.

I'd rank him somewhere between top10 and top5. He had the potential to be top3 in my opinion, but he left way too many questionmarks during his weak championship reign for that. Pity....

[PowerPuncher]

Ok, here is a list in no particular order that many could consider are as good or better than Holmes:

Muhammed Ali
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Joe Louis
Ernie Shavers
Sonny Liston
Rocky Marciano
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Lennox Lewis
Gene Tunney
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Max Schmeling
Jersey Joe Walcott
John L Sullivan
Ezzard Charles

Theres a list of HW names that some could legitimately argue belong on a top 15 list, which could push Holmes down quite a bit. IMO, he was not as good as several on this list, but nonetheless all these names were great HW's.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl :rofl :rofl

Shavers above Holmes :lol: Shavers isn't a top50 HW

Tunney/Charles/Walcott/Schmelling/Sullivan/Jeffries/Frazier/Foreman/Holyfield/Marciano should never be above Holmes on any sensible persons list

[cannabis]

This is may be old but it was in this months "Maxim".
I am to young to know much about Larry Holmes. The only fight I ever saw with him was when he was past his prime and was destroyed by Tyson.

He said Holmes was the best ever, Tyson only beat people because they were scared of him and if they were not scared they would have whooped his ass. He also said Ali is only considered the greatest because he said it.

Was Larry Holmes that good?

maybe too young to be reading "maxim" too.:D anyway holmes had the unfortunate timing to come along on the heels of Ali. that's a no win situation. holmes wasn't the greatest ever but he could hold his own in the ring. go back and watch his fights on youtube.com. tyson for a period was a monster. power/intimidation. didn't have the opposition of the Ali/Holmes era but that can't be blamed on iron mike. you fight who's in front of you.

[Scar]

I totally disagree here, Muhammad Ali is the best heavyweight ever.

[heerko koois]

I totally disagree here, Muhammad Ali is the best heavyweight ever.

Never seen Holmes - Ali ?

[ChrisPontius]

Never seen Holmes - Ali ?

Even Rudy Koopmans would've beaten Ali that night :D

[heerko koois]

Even Rudy Koopmans would've beaten Ali that night :D
:think

[Scar]

Never seen Holmes - Ali ?

Yes I have. Have you seen Tyson vs Holmes?

[pit]

Ok, here is a list in no particular order that many could consider are as good or better than Holmes:

Muhammed Ali
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Joe Louis
Ernie Shavers :lol: :lol:
Sonny Liston
Rocky Marciano
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Lennox Lewis
Gene Tunney
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Max Schmeling
Jersey Joe Walcott
John L Sullivan
Ezzard Charles

Theres a list of HW names that some could legitimately argue belong on a top 15 list, which could push Holmes down quite a bit. IMO, he was not as good as several on this list, but nonetheless all these names were great HW's.

you do realize that Holmes KOed Shavers and Lewis style was pattoned off of Holems style and everyone in your list except Joe Lewis , ali and Marciano did not have the longevity nor long title run that Holmes had which is 20 defense he only surpassed by Joe Lewis .. Holemes is easily in the Top 10 of the greatest Heavy weights and his impact is still felt today because he set the mole of what a big tall heavy fighting style.

[Scar]

you do realize that Holmes KOed Shavers and Lewis style was pattoned off of Holems style and everyone in your list except Joe Lewis , ali and Marciano did not have the longevity nor long title run that Holmes had which is 20 defense he only surpassed by Joe Lewis .. Holemes is easily in the Top 10 of the greatest Heavy weights and his impact is still felt today because he set the mole of what a big tall heavy fighting style.

He's definitely top 10, but not #1.

[PowerPuncher]

He's definitely top 10, but not #1.

You could have him at 1, hes got a better case than Marciano or Dempsey

He also has the closest fighting style to Floyd of the great HWs

[Raggamuffin]

Not a fair comparison
Ali was(to put it mildly)way past his prime
Holmes was a ATG and is imo a sound top 10 HW

[heerko koois]

Yes I have. Have you seen Tyson vs Holmes?

Holmes did well againts Tyson for 3,5 rounds ....No boxer could have beaten Tyson in 1988.........:bbb

[Raggamuffin]

Even Rudy Koopmans would've beaten Ali that night :D

Koopmans was a LHW
Bedoel je niet Rudi lubbers ?

[China_hand_Joe]

Ok, here is a list in no particular order that many could consider are as good or better than Holmes:

Muhammed Ali
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Joe Louis
Ernie Shavers
Sonny Liston
Rocky Marciano
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Lennox Lewis
Gene Tunney
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Max Schmeling
Jersey Joe Walcott
John L Sullivan
Ezzard Charles

Theres a list of HW names that some could legitimately argue belong on a top 15 list, which could push Holmes down quite a bit. IMO, he was not as good as several on this list, but nonetheless all these names were great HW's.Why not put Joe Calzaghe in for what he could have done along with those other SMWs?

[Richel Hersisia]

I put Holmes at 4th spot. Only behind Ali Louis and Marciano.

So it's not complete BS what Floyd said. Maybe he meant, form the Heavies who he grew up with. Then he was nr 1 for sure.

[dado]

floyd is a fool and doesent know what he is talking about ,,, although i do think he probably deserves his p4p ranking,,, he is still a fool,,, he must get it from his uncle, has anyone read those roger mayweather interviews on this website? they are so bad,, roger is such a moron and retard they both deserve to be beaten by a mob of angry russians or something. oh and china joe,,, that picture is the scariest/ gayest thing i have seen in my life :)

[Sizzle]

Holmes defended his heavyweight title 21 times (second only to Joe Louis), and only really overlooked the challenge of Coetzee in my opinion - He was a great champion, with heart, speed, power, and great mobility/agility for such a big man.

His jab is among the best there ever has been in the heavyweight division (Perhaps 2nd only to Listons), and he was greatly respected by fighters of his era, and sparring partners - One whose name escapes me claimed from first-hand experience, that he was better than Frazier and Ali.

Personally I rank him on the fringes of the top10, but ranking him No.1 is not absurd, especially Head-2-head. Anyone that says there is "no case" is talking out of their ass.

[MrMagic]

Why not put Joe Calzaghe in for what he could have done along with those other SMWs?
Because these "SMWs" fought heavyweights not Peter Manfredo.

[ChrisPontius]

Koopmans was a LHW
Bedoel je niet Rudi lubbers ?

Lubbers ook.

My point was that anyone could've beaten Ali that night, he could barely throw a punch. He should never have been allowed in the ring.

[Sizzle]

Because these "SMWs" fought heavyweights not Peter Manfredo.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[China_hand_Joe]

Because these "SMWs" fought heavyweights not Peter Manfredo.That only happened because the heavweights they actually managed to beat were so bad.

[Sizzle]

That only happened because the heavweights they actually managed to beat were so bad.

If only we had the technology to teleport Peter Manfredo back to Joe Louis' era, so we could truly test Louis' greatness.

My only concern is that Manfredo may not be the same fighter he was after that vicious bitch-slapping he took from Calzaghe :lol: :lol:

[China_hand_Joe]

Which is more likely? The middleweights back then were superhuman and good enough to fight HWs or that the HWs were dire and the best middleweights were able to face them?

[joe33]

Which is more likely? The middleweights back then were superhuman and good enough to fight HWs or that the HWs were dire and the best middleweights were able to face them?


What instead of now,when RJJ john ruiz?

[Boro chris]

Never seen Holmes - Ali ?

OH COME ON!:patsch

[China_hand_Joe]

What instead of now,when RJJ john ruiz?Jones the one middleweight who could cut it (Toney couldn't). And remember Jones only won an ABC title and didn't defend it.

[Theo]

holmes was excellent, the only problem was that he NEVER had anyone to prove it against, by the time he did, he was 2 old and 2 far gone to prove anything.

such a shame, larry will never get the right amount of respect cause he never really fought anyone.

[C Money]

The Easton Assasin was a great HW. Holmes had the BEST JAB of any HW, I've ever seen. Larry was a boxer/puncher and never really gets appreciated fully. Best ever??? Cant go quite that far but certainly would be a top 10 all-time HW, IMO.

Holmes was/is also an astute businessman who made the most of his profit from boxing and owns quite a bit of his hometown in Easton, pennsylvania. Holmes is worth a hell of a lot and has enjoyed more financial success than many, many, many other fighters:good

[Biggame]

You can not only make a case for Holmes, but stronge case!!

Larry Holmes was a great fighter in his prime, and it's just hard to take someone to beat him at his best! He had the overall package of speed, agility, chin, power, heart, toughness, ring smarts! He was also very technically, and fundamentally sound. Excellent footwork, and anyone who watch his career would know this. I always looked at holmes as an upgraded Joe Louis w/a Super Jab, and more speed! There wasn't an area he was lacking in:nono It's not his fault the era he fought in, or the fact that ppl weren't to accepting of a new heavyweight king especially after he beat Ali!

Head to head it would be hard to pick against all his abilities! Here's some names!

vs Ali - He had the size and skillset to keep up, and even better jab. He had more more power, but Ali had so much speed, and better footwork so it's hard to call. We all know the sparring stories!

Vs Frazier - He keep Frazier at bay all night w/that quick stiff, hard jab, and fire right hands behind them! He take Joe to a decision, and hell IMO he could stop him!

Vs Foreman - Big George would be to slow, and those punches he throws would be easily countered. Give it to Larry

Vs Louis - This would be interesting, but I see again Larry's jab and speed getting to Joe, and he just would get beat to the punch all night!

Vs Marciano - No contest!:nono

Vs Liston - Liston's style like Foremans would play right into Larry's and he would lose easily!

Vs Holyfield - He would ding Holyfield who seemed to forget that defense was part of the game, and definately had the power to stop him!

Vs Lewis - This would be a good one, but again Larry had a better, quicker jab, and he would control the fight, and eventually set up that right hand bomb!

This is all my thoughts, and only my opinion. I've always thought highly of Holmes the fighter, and really thought there wasn't to many if any who could beat him in his prime! He's was and still is overlooked as a great fighter because of names like Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, & Ali, Louis, and Foreman! He was in between them, but possibly the best of the best!

That's my take!!

[Scar]

Because these "SMWs" fought heavyweights not Peter Manfredo.

:lol: :lol: :rofl

[brooklyn1550]

Floyd is wrong

[China_hand_Joe]

:lol: :lol: :roflPeter Manfredo is no worse than some of the fighters the likes of Charles beat, I sincerely hope you were laughing at and not with his post. Look at this resume [Only registered and activated users can see links] - don't tell me Calzaghe couldn't do better.

[Titan1]

This is may be old but it was in this months "Maxim".
I am to young to know much about Larry Holmes. The only fight I ever saw with him was when he was past his prime and was destroyed by Tyson.

He said Holmes was the best ever, Tyson only beat people because they were scared of him and if they were not scared they would have whooped his ass. He also said Ali is only considered the greatest because he said it.

Was Larry Holmes that good?

Larry is definitely in the top 10, maybe top 5 heavys of all-time.Great Jab and recuperative powers.Only two strikes against him, one not really his fault.

1) He didn't unify the belt.
2) After 1982, he really didn't make an effort to fight the contenders that were really good, i.e Thomas, Coetzee, and definitely Greg Page.:yep

[Bigcat]

Get off the crack pipe:patsch
Name 15 heavys that are better than Holmes?

Better still............

Name 5..:good

[DamonD]

He also said Ali is only considered the greatest because he said it.
My irony alert just exploded.

[Tencount85]

Larry Holmes is certainly one of the most UNDER-RATED Heavyweight Champions ever. I think the reason why he is so looked down upon was because he was supposed to be Ali's successor and he failed. Not that there is anything wrong with that because who the hell can succeed Muhammad Ali? Tough act to follow.

I don't know about anyone else but he should be an ATG just for that drop kick off the car to Trevor Berbick HAHAHAHA

"Rocky Marciano can't carry my jockstrap" - Larry Holmes

[Club Fighter]

Pbf Is Absolutely Right.

[El Bombasto]

This is may be old but it was in this months "Maxim".
I am to young to know much about Larry Holmes. The only fight I ever saw with him was when he was past his prime and was destroyed by Tyson.

He said Holmes was the best ever, Tyson only beat people because they were scared of him and if they were not scared they would have whooped his ass. He also said Ali is only considered the greatest because he said it.

Was Larry Holmes that good?

Yep, but not the best ever IMHO

[Rollo]

Get off the crack pipe:patsch
Name 15 heavys that are better than Holmes?



I can´t name more than two!

[Ramshall1]

Holmes was a defense first, boring boxer. . . of course Fraud would say this.

[Rollo]

Holmes was a defense first, boring boxer. . . of course Fraud would say this.



Yeah, Holmes/Norton - boring match!:-(

[Ramshall1]

Yeah, Holmes/Norton - boring match!:-(

for the most part he was a defense first boring boxer. . . the main reason he never got the attention someone with as many title defenses normally would.

[Drew101]

Holmes was really good, tough and ballsy.The only thing that hurt his historical impact was his lack of serious opposistion.Cooney was a fantasy, Weaver was an over achieving clubfighter and guys like Leroy Jones and Lorenzo Zanon were outright jokes.Earnie Shavers gave it a good go, but Earnie was a bottom 5 contender left over from the 70's.Renaldo Snipes was strong, rugged and could crack, but was comparetivly unskilled.Holmes tended to fight up to his opposistion, so if he had a Frazier , Foreman or some other considerable nemisis, we really would have seen what Larry could do.Of course by the time Holmes fought Spinks he was slipping, and was way past it by the time he fought Tyson.He had some decent showings afterwards, like beating Ray Mercer and troubling Holyfield a bit, but unfortunatly we never got to see what Larry could really achieve.

One point to make...

* Leroy Jones was actually a very good, undefeated boxer, and a legitimate Top 10 contender. He was very similar in style to Buster Mathis in that he was oversized, but quite mobile. Larry's decimation of him should actually be considered one of his better performances. Holmes fought plenty of soft opponents in his career (David Bey, Scott Frank, and the aforementioned Zanon), but Jones wasn't one of them.

[Rollo]

for the most part he was a defense first boring boxer. . . the main reason he never got the attention someone with as many title defenses normally would.



A boxer who knew how to protect himself from being hurt and who also had the greatest jab in boxing history along with courage, a great chin and ring-intelligence - that MUST be boring!

[Ramshall1]

A boxer who knew how to protect himself from being hurt and who also had the greatest jab in boxing history along with courage, a great chin and ring-intelligence - that MUST be boring!

relax man, I respect Holmes for his accomplishments and courage and skill. . . he was just a bit boring style-wise, he had a great jab and defense. But lets not be too nostalgic and pretend he was an "exciting" fighter.

[Rollo]

relax man, I respect Holmes for his accomplishments and courage and skill. . . he was just a bit boring style-wise, he had a great jab and defense. But lets not be too nostalgic and pretend he was an "exciting" fighter.



I am fully relaxed - but I don´t think that "boring" should be the first word mentioned when describing Holmes - it was often a pleasure to see him perform.

[Ramshall1]

I am fully relaxed - but I don´t think that "boring" should be the first word mentioned when describing Holmes - it was often a pleasure to see him perform.

to each their own, I found him to be a bit boring for the most part. Most fans at the time agreed wich is why he wasnt near the draw that guys like Frazier, Foreman etc where before him.

[robert ungurean]

This is may be old but it was in this months "Maxim".
I am to young to know much about Larry Holmes. The only fight I ever saw with him was when he was past his prime and was destroyed by Tyson.

He said Holmes was the best ever, Tyson only beat people because they were scared of him and if they were not scared they would have whooped his ass. He also said Ali is only considered the greatest because he said it.

Was Larry Holmes that good?
In my opinion as someone who starting with the 1st. Shavers fight is YES Holmes ranks among the very best HW Champs ever.

[cuchulain]

Holmes ranks 5 or 6 on my alltime list.
(Behind Ali, Louis, Foreman, Lewis and maybe Marciano)

Re: PBF's comments on Ali.

In the parlance of Holmes, the pretty boy couldn't carry Ali's jockstrap !

[Bill1234]

This is may be old but it was in this months "Maxim".
I am to young to know much about Larry Holmes. The only fight I ever saw with him was when he was past his prime and was destroyed by Tyson.

He said Holmes was the best ever, Tyson only beat people because they were scared of him and if they were not scared they would have whooped his ass. He also said Ali is only considered the greatest because he said it.

Was Larry Holmes that good?

Larry was very good. He is rated in the top 5 by many. He had arguably, and IMO the best heavyweight jab. In his prime, he matches up very well head to head, and he was very fast. He had very fast hands, he had some pop in his right, and he had great recurperative/surviving skills. If you hurt him, or knocked him down, he was a very dangerous man. Because he would come after you hitting you as hard as he could the whole way, until he was sure that you were hurt, or until he KO'd you/TKO'd you. He was heavyweight champion of the world from 1978-1985, and had 20 succesful title defences before losing the title in 2 controversial decisions to Michael Spinks. Larry fought in the 90's, and beat Ray Mercer at the age of 42, he went the full 12 rounds with Holyfield, he came very close to winning the title back against Olivar McCall in 1995 only losing by 1 point on 2 of the score cards. Then, he lost another controversial decision in 1997 to Brain Neilson. Larry had his last fight in 2002 at the age of 52, almost 53. I have him rated at #4.

[Bill1234]

Ok, here is a list in no particular order that many could consider are as good or better than Holmes:

Muhammed Ali
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Joe Louis
Ernie Shavers
Sonny Liston
Rocky Marciano
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Lennox Lewis
Gene Tunney
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Max Schmeling
Jersey Joe Walcott
John L Sullivan
Ezzard Charles

Theres a list of HW names that some could legitimately argue belong on a top 15 list, which could push Holmes down quite a bit. IMO, he was not as good as several on this list, but nonetheless all these names were great HW's.

LOL he beat Earnie Shavers TWICE!!! He won every single round in their first fight, and in their 2nd fight he TKO'd him in the 11th. What is your argument to have all of these people ahead of him???

[Bill1234]

Holmes was great and had a long reign as a champion. He did leave a lot of questions and frustrations behind though. He never gave rematches in close fights (Witherspoon, Weaver, Norton, Williams) unlike Louis or Ali for instance.

He also failed to meet 4 men who were very deserving challengers during one period or another in Thomas, Page, Coetzee and Dokes. Particularly Thomas should've gotten a shot, but in his own words, "i aint fighting no coke addict". That was classless. He dropped his WBC belt to avoid Page and fight a few 10 fight embryo's. This was in a time when the other belts like IBF meant as much as the IBO does today. But he was miraculously gifted the IBF belt after avoiding Page. Post Cooney (1982) he didn't want to take any risk anymore and basically took easy fights.

While all of the above is true, it only emphasises on the negative sides. He does have a great jab, excellent chin & recovering ability, ring smarts and top stamina. He also has very good longetivity as he beat Mercer when he was in his 40's. Although no belt was on the line, i thought that was just as impressive as Foreman beating Moorer.

I'd rank him somewhere between top10 and top5. He had the potential to be top3 in my opinion, but he left way too many questionmarks during his weak championship reign for that. Pity....


He came very close to fighting Coetzee, the fight was called off a month before they fought. Why would he fight Dokes? And he also was told he HAD to fight Page 1 week before he fought Marvis Frazier.

[rekcutnevets]

I currently rank Holmes 4th all time. I think you can argue 3rd, which is where I put Jack Johnson. I may be ranking Johnson a little high because of his social significance, but he did prove a lot in the ring.

Holmes beat 8 men to at one time hold world titles, ranks 2nd at heavyweight in consecutive(and total) title defenses, rates 2nd at heavyweight with length of reign, and he made it to 48-0 before losing his first fight(also 2nd at heavyweight).

Holmes had one of the best jabs in the history of the sport, and tons of fighting spirit to back it.

[Bill1234]

Holmes was a defense first, boring boxer. . . of course Fraud would say this.

If Holmes was "defence first" then he wouldn't have thrown so many punches a fight. And also, he wouldn't have taken punches to give them. You don't know what your talking about.

[Bill1234]

relax man, I respect Holmes for his accomplishments and courage and skill. . . he was just a bit boring style-wise, he had a great jab and defense. But lets not be too nostalgic and pretend he was an "exciting" fighter.

You must not like Ali's style then...When Larry was hurt or down, he would always come out swinging.

[rekcutnevets]

I never thought Holmes was boring. Watching him jab was entertaining enough, because it was a real punch. I wouldn't even call him that defensive. He would sometimes just put his arms in the way, and return fire.

[Bill1234]

to each their own, I found him to be a bit boring for the most part. Most fans at the time agreed wich is why he wasnt near the draw that guys like Frazier, Foreman etc where before him.

Ok that or he was in Ali's shadow.:hey

[sues2nd]

This is may be old but it was in this months "Maxim".
I am to young to know much about Larry Holmes. The only fight I ever saw with him was when he was past his prime and was destroyed by Tyson.

He said Holmes was the best ever, Tyson only beat people because they were scared of him and if they were not scared they would have whooped his ass. He also said Ali is only considered the greatest because he said it.

Was Larry Holmes that good?

Yes Holmes was THAT good to be mentioned in the top five, but seriously....1? That is going a little far.

[Flatlander]

Of the modern era heavyweights I would have it ...

Joe Louis #1

Ali #2

Holmes #3

[Cruiser1]

PBF is a moron....hands down. You can always tell when he is lying or just talking with his ego...its when his lips are moving.

He doesn't know squat about HW boxing. I think its hard to put Holmes in the top 15 or maybe even top 20 of all time. Theres just way too many that are better.

He DID have an innovative, powerful jab. I give him credit for that.

I'm surprised that there aren't more people in an uproar over this post. :patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch

[C Money]

I just REALIZED something!! I'd sincerely like to thank PBF for saying what he said about Holmes. I' dont care if they have him TOP 5 or TOP 10.

It's great to see the Easton Assasin STILL get the kind of love, support, RESPECT, and NOTORIETY TODAY:good I can see Larry on his boat FISHING, loving life, on a WARM SPRING DAY and I SAY?? Heres to YOU LARRY HOLMES:drink you's a BAD MOFO and a GOOD EXAMPLE OF Boxing succes!!!!!!


Best thing come outta Floyds mouth in a LONG TIME. Hey?? Maybe he's on A ROLL he's now talking Hatton too. Go AHEAD TEAM MAYWEATHER!! All ya gotta do NOW?? IS COME CORRECT WITH MONEY, and Hatton's FANS are FILET OF THE DAY???:lol:

[Flatlander]

I'm surprised that there aren't more people in an uproar over this post. :patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch

Posts like that are to be ignored

[carras]

Why not put Joe Calzaghe in for what he could have done along with those other SMWs?

Dude, WTF is with the avatar?

[Holmes' Jab]

I think its hard to put Holmes in the top 15 or maybe even top 20 of all time. Theres just way too many that are better.

OK then. Name the "15 or 20" fighters who you'd rate above Holmes from an ATG viewpoint?

[deram]

Honestly, while PBF is a good boxer, he is not exactly a genious. He carries out what his body allows him to and his trainers tell him to.

Pretending that his oppinion should carry special weight would be like asking an Afghani private soldier to give his views on the war in the middle-east and the complex and intrigate reseaons, effects et cetera of the conflict in a broader temporal perspective.

No matter if he was the best private soldier there - it would still be ridiculous assuming that his oppinion should carry any special weight - what so ever!

[Unchained]

[quote=iksrtfo

, Tyson only beat people because they were scared of him and if they were not scared they would have whooped his ass. He also said Ali is only considered the greatest because he said it.

Was Larry Holmes that good?[/quote]

Floyd really said that? :rasta :huh What at f'ing moron, and I thought he was dumb after 24/7, no he looks like he doesn't know anything about the only thing I thought he did have a clue about-Boxing. Of course this is coming from the idiot who compares himself to SRR and SRL, even though he takes tomatos like Baldo the distance, LOL:patsch

[cuchulain]

Never seen Holmes - Ali ?



Yep, a sad sight.

A prime number 5 or 6 alltime great ,versus the back-from-retirement, over-the-hill, parkinson-debilitated, greatest heavyweight of all time.

[cuchulain]

Holmes did well againts Tyson for 3,5 rounds ....No boxer could have beaten Tyson in 1988.........:bbb

Ali.
Louis.
Marciano.
Foreman.
Lewis.
Holmes.
Liston.

All of the above (at prime ) could have beaten any version of Mike.

[Dostoevsky]

Ok, here is a list in no particular order that many could consider are as good or better than Holmes:

Muhammed Ali
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Joe Louis
Ernie Shavers
Sonny Liston
Rocky Marciano
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Lennox Lewis
Gene Tunney
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Max Schmeling
Jersey Joe Walcott
John L Sullivan
Ezzard Charles

Theres a list of HW names that some could legitimately argue belong on a top 15 list, which could push Holmes down quite a bit. IMO, he was not as good as several on this list, but nonetheless all these names were great HW's.

You know fuck all about heavyweight boxing and its history.

Ernie Shavers? :rofl :nut Larry holmes beat him twice!
Max Scmeling, please, i give him credit for beating Louis but he wouldn't have even been remembered if he hadn't won in that fight.

Only a few of those fighters such as Louis,Marciano and Ali rank up there with the title defences, dominance and years on the top.
Holmes is easily a top 5 heavyweight!