Mundine UD over Nievas.

[BoppaZoo]

for those of you that didnt see it Mundine was taken the distance by Nievas. and some out there must be thinking how did this happen well all i will say is that Nievas ate Leather all night and was rocked twice in the fight.
It so much reminded me of the Kessler vs Andrade fight. it was along those lines and i take my hat off to Nievas because he showed Heart and a chin.

His face was a mess and he took the fight very seriously aswell and you could tell he was actually crying after the fight because he knew it might be his only shot at a World Title.

the score cards were 119-107 120-108 120-108 -Mundine
also im pretty sure Mundine might have tore his bicep Muscle in this fight and it was clearly visable after the fight.

so those who said this fight was a mismatch it was in a way but no one would have predicted this fight to go the distance. Great Heart shown by the Argentinian and good luck to him.

[VIP]

The way fox news introduced the fight you would have thought Mundine had lost the fight!! It was onely a minute into the report i realised he had won pretty easily!! Pretty bad journalism!!:-(

:lol::patsch

Yea it was a shutout but Mundine defintely had some trouble in particular the 5th round, other than that it was one way traffic, Mundine dominated especially with that jab.

[China_hand_Joe]

Props to Mundine for beating a disputable top 100 opponent.

[BoppaZoo]

Props to Mundine for beating a disputable top 100 opponent.Mundine showed me 2 things tonight.
1. He is Lightning Fast

and
2. That if he doesnt take every opponent seriously he could Lose when you would think he would easily win. He should take every opponent like its a real fight and not read into the hype.

[jahobe]

Props to Mundine for beating a disputable top 100 opponent.


cmon mate it was just like one of your boy joe's defences against a bum, except as far as bum 's go this one was good with a chin of iron....

Props to mundine for landing his lightning jab more frequently and more cleanly than i have ever seen before it was lethal, he performed very well, so fast and accurate and controlled the fight but the scary thing for the rest of you doubters out there is that it looked like he didn't even move out of second gear..

oh yeh the gayest avatar i have ever seen china. shit man

[dwilson]

Dont be like that!!:nono :lol:

Can anyone find Nievas in any sancioning bodies top 100 because i cant.

He would look lightening fast against my gran but it would not mean he actually was.

[jahobe]

Can anyone find Nievas in any sancioning bodies top 100 because i cant.

He would look lightening fast against my gran but it would not mean he actually was.


yeh dickhead, No. 15 WBA

and yeh he would look lightning fast against your grandma because he actually is, it's not the only fight he has shown world class speed, it's top draw

[elias]

cmon mate it was just like one of your boy joe's defences against a bum, except as far as bum 's go this one was good with a chin of iron....

Props to mundine for landing his lightning jab more frequently and more cleanly than i have ever seen before it was lethal, he performed very well, so fast and accurate and controlled the fight but the scary thing for the rest of you doubters out there is that it looked like he didn't even move out of second gear..

oh yeh the gayest avatar i have ever seen china. shit man

You really can't defend this match-up, Mundine is a paper titlist fighting unknowns. Enzo Maccarinelli does the same, but then he isn't close to being our best boxer.

This fight highlights the pitiful state of Aussie boxing.

[jahobe]

Mundine showed me 2 things tonight.
1. He is Lightning Fast

and
2. That if he doesnt take every opponent seriously he could Lose when you would think he would easily win. He should take every opponent like its a real fight and not read into the hype.


Agree, his speed and accuracy must be respected, it is truly world class. and if he kept his composure and took it more seriously it would have been even more one sided, as soon as he works that part out, he will do damage

[BoppaZoo]

yeh dickhead, No. 15 WBA

and yeh he would look lightning fast against your grandma because he actually is, it's not the only fight he has shown world class speed, it's top drawMundine made Soliman look slow and Sammy is a fast Middleweight.
Mundine is quick and if i had to give a actual example of how fast i would say 2nd only to Roy Jones at 168.

He was frightning tonight. i felt sorry for Nievas he was hit by jabs bang,bang most of the night and hardly saw one of them.

[jahobe]

You really can't defend this match-up, Mundine is a paper titlist fighting unknowns. Enzo Maccarinelli does the same, but then he isn't close to being our best boxer.

This fight highlights the pitiful state of Aussie boxing.


It's not about defending the match up, mundine was a class and a half above we all know that, but the guy stood around and let choc display some wicked skill and speed, his form and composure are what stood out, put him in against calzaghe or kessler and he is a serious threat, above any other SMW that could challenge the top 2

[deram]

Agree, his speed and accuracy must be respected, it is truly world class. and if he kept his composure and took it more seriously it would have been even more one sided, as soon as he works that part out, he will do damage

I like Mundine

...but come on.. "as soon as he works on that and that and that..THEN..."

Why is it always something in the future? Mundine should fight top 20 people NOW. Every fight.

Mundine is 32.

I believe we will be hearing when Mundine is 37 year old.. "did you see how lighting fast he looked against Velasguez??? Give him a couple of years more and he will have worked that out. THEN he will be lethal!"

[Theo]

i think AM is a great fighter, ;) certainly no kessler or JC but still a dam good champion, is there any place on the tinter web i can see the fight?

[jahobe]

Mundine made Soliman look slow and Sammy is a fast Middleweight.
Mundine is quick and if i had to give a actual example of how fast i would say 2nd only to Roy Jones at 168.

He was frightning tonight. i felt sorry for Nievas he was hit by jabs bang,bang most of the night and hardly saw one of them.


Mundine would make most look slow, and it was as you say frightning, the accuracy and speed, the doubling up was amazing, and yes he did not see shit

[jahobe]

I like Mundine

...but come on.. "as soon as he works on that and that and that..THEN..."

Why is it always something in the future? Mundine should fight top 20 people NOW. Every fight.

Mundine is 32.

I believe we will be hearing when Mundine is 37 year old.. "did you see how lighting fast he looked against Velasguez??? Give him a couple of years more and he will have worked that out. THEN he will be lethal!"

i just mean that his downfall is that he sometimes does not take things seriously in there and if he cut it out of his package he would be even more lethal, but the way he is right now, the only ones that are better are kessler and joe, and yeh he should be fighting guys in the top 20, like Nieves no. 15, or 16 WBA, but he would take apart most of the top 20 no doubt

[China_hand_Joe]

Mundine never will be a world titlist guys (unless he could get Berrio), considering he is older than Kessler.

[BoppaZoo]

You really can't defend this match-up, Mundine is a paper titlist fighting unknowns. Enzo Maccarinelli does the same, but then he isn't close to being our best boxer.

This fight highlights the pitiful state of Aussie boxing.i will only say this Elias. i hate when Mundine fights these guys but i think i know why he does it to keep his skills up and his fitness at an amazing level.
You know how Ricky takes alot of time off and balloons up and down in weight i think Mundine does it so his fitness at full capacity.

i dont like him taking these fight either because theres more risk involved especially if you lose to a no body i would much rather see him fighting the top 15 guys all the time.

But hey im not Mundine.

[dwilson]

Mundine is fast granted but he still below top level. He needs to prove himself against decent opposition. Jc has fought a few poor fighters over his career but he has also fought some top fighters too.

If mundine was to ever fight jc he would go into the poor fighter catigory.

[BoppaZoo]

Mundine never will be a world titlist guys (unless he could get Berrio), considering he is older than Kessler.China id really like to see Mundine's people push for a fight with either Winky or Lacy.
thats what i want to see. see were he really stands i mean he fought great against the 5th best Middleweight in Soliman when they fought.

and he fought good against the 7th best 168 fighter in Green when they fought.
He lost to Kessler but i think he has improved and he needs a big time guy to show us if he is that next level.

[Decebal]

Mundine never will be a world titlist guys (unless he could get Berrio), considering he is older than Kessler.

Are you saying that Mundine will be able to beat the man that would have KO'ed Bute?

[deram]

Mundine should try to get Bute. I think it will be an even fight where Mundine is not without possibilities. At the same tiem work to get Winky, Taylor, Pavlik into the ring. He would also have a good chance there imo. Anything but the top 2 at SMW he would have a good chance I think - he hasn't proven that and many people see do not think he would beat plenty of guys.

He had a couple of good domestic fights in Green and Soliman, now let's hope the next fight after Nie..whatever is a good one. Imo. it pretty much needs to be a top 10 guy next. A real top 10 guy.

[China_hand_Joe]

Are you saying that Mundine will be able to beat the man that would have KO'ed Bute?Not as far as I am aware.

[Rollo]

What happens if Kessler beats Mundine again - does he become Super-Duper-Champ?

[geppy]

What a remarkable win. Nivas has never even fought a decent figther before , and managed to lose and have a draw against two of the bums he fought.

[Rollo]

What a remarkable win. Nivas has never even fought a decent figther before , and managed to lose and have a draw against two of the bums he fought.


:lol::lol::lol::good

[Dantes]

The fight was a waste of my time... :dead

[boxfan99]

What a remarkable win. Nivas has never even fought a decent figther before , and managed to lose and have a draw against two of the bums he fought.

Yes, and the bum he drew against has also fought Mundine.:rofl

[MSTR]

Mundine got himself into big trouble in the 5th - I scored it 9 rounds to 3 to Mundine but honestly, he wasn't as impressive as the Ockers are trying to make out

He hit the jab all night, but he looked a little afraid of opening up more than two or three punches at a time - his evading defense was good but only because his opponent wasn't throwing straighter punchers,
It was a crap performance against a crap opponent. He should be embarassed. He didn't throw combinations, didn't use angles, and didn't counter punch effectively. I couldn't believe he let this guy crowd him against the ropes sometimes for long periods of time. He is trying to be Roy Jones again, which clearly he is not. I wouldn't have given him 3 rounds but, that is far too much. The aggression was far from effective. He definitely put 1 in the bag though.

[VIP]

Mundine got himself into big trouble in the 5th - I scored it 9 rounds to 3 to Mundine but honestly, he wasn't as impressive as the Ockers are trying to make out

He hit the jab all night, but he looked a little afraid of opening up more than two or three punches at a time - his evading defense was good but only because his opponent wasn't throwing straighter punchers,

TBH Mundine would have an easier job of evading the straight punches, he dominated the more predictable Danny Green. He wasn't impressive at all, just take a look at the criticism he is getting the Aussie forum. I gave Nievas the 5th and the 12th, which other round could you give him?

[Azriel]

Mundine would never EVER beat Bute. Whomever says he beats him isn't following Bute's career.

Seriously though, Mundine wasn'T bad against Nieva though... comon... he's ranked what, in 100th position?

pff.

Bute doesn't need Mundine. Mundine needs Bute.

[MSTR]

Mundine would never EVER beat Bute. Whomever says he beats him isn't following Bute's career.

Seriously though, Mundine wasn'T bad against Nieva though... comon... he's ranked what, in 100th position?

pff.

Bute doesn't need Mundine. Mundine needs Bute.
Bute isn't that great either. I would pick Mundine over Bute. Bute looked quite ordinary against Bika, who has been beaten by Soliman among others.

[VIP]

Mundine and Bute would trouble each other. Bute is big, strong, aggressive and southpaw. But Mundine is more skilled, more faster and Bute hasn't fought anyone worth a lick.

[geppy]

Bute isn't that great either. I would pick Mundine over Bute. Bute looked quite ordinary against Bika, who has been beaten by Soliman among others.

Mundine looked ordinary and was beaten by Siaca, losing his bullshit belt in the process. Bute looked ordinary against a tough opponent to look good against,but still matched the scores that Calzaghe beat Bika by. What do you think is worse? Mundine is fighting some shitty fighters isnt he.

[Faetter_BR]

A few remarks

Mundine would beat Bika - fairly easy. Bika got Calzaghe on a bad night (for Calzaghe) and all of a sudden he is a world star. Bute had to adapt a little, but when he did he outclassed Bika. Bika is a good test for the contenders with his style, but he'll never beat a champion.

Nievas - iron chin - come on - the man has been down in 5 out of 20 fights - and several times versus people that can't fight let alone punch. He is great at getting back up though - hasn't been stopped yet.

Mundine is a good fighter - but he shouldn't be fighting guys like this - either hang up the glows and realise you did all you could in boxing or challenge the real champions.

As for Mundine-Bute - that could be interesting but it's not going to happen. Bute is going for IBF and Mundine is WBA regular - And Mundine doesn't need Bute - Mundine can get his fight with Kessler the day after he grows some balls - he is mandatory and Kessler fights his mandatories!

[Shamrock]

You really can't defend this match-up, Mundine is a paper titlist fighting unknowns. Enzo Maccarinelli does the same, but then he isn't close to being our best boxer.

This fight highlights the pitiful state of Aussie boxing.

:think :good on the button, my thoughts exactly.

[unitas]

mundine ebaressed himself needing twelve rounds to beat this taxi cab driver. yeah, great going bumdine!!!

[mc50341]

I do not think he will choose to fight Bute he is not rated by WBA therefore is he easy do duck, I hate to say it but think his next fight will be against Danilo Haussler, who is really overrated!!. But my hope says Mads Larsen. He has a name in the division, was good once perhaps still is an d it wood be a good opportunity to see how he is now. Mundine would might undersestimate him due to Mads 3½ years break. I think it would be a great match up.

[MSTR]

A few remarks

Mundine would beat Bika - fairly easy. Bika got Calzaghe on a bad night (for Calzaghe) and all of a sudden he is a world star. Bute had to adapt a little, but when he did he outclassed Bika. Bika is a good test for the contenders with his style, but he'll never beat a champion.

Nievas - iron chin - come on - the man has been down in 5 out of 20 fights - and several times versus people that can't fight let alone punch. He is great at getting back up though - hasn't been stopped yet.

Mundine is a good fighter - but he shouldn't be fighting guys like this - either hang up the glows and realise you did all you could in boxing or challenge the real champions.


As for Mundine-Bute - that could be interesting but it's not going to happen. Bute is going for IBF and Mundine is WBA regular - And Mundine doesn't need Bute - Mundine can get his fight with Kessler the day after he grows some balls - he is mandatory and Kessler fights his mandatories!

:good Good post.

Mundine shouldn't be fighting guys like that. The thing with Mundine is that when he steps up he would give anyone in the SMW division BIG trouble. But the way he performed last night was ordinary. He is VERY up and down as a fighter, and it is hard to predict which Mundine is going to step into the ring.

Offensively Mundine was very limited last night. He couldn't put combinations together against a guy who was begging to be hit, wasn't using angles, and just lived off the one two upstairs, when there were so many other openings available.

I am hoping that he just got very lazy and over confident. The Mundine that I saw against Green and SOliman would trouble Kessler. The Mundine last night would have been BADLY beaten.

[MSTR]

The idea that he hurt his opponent and busted him up consistently is wrong too - it was his jab that won him the fight, if he had thrown the right more, then he would've possibl finished the job sooner

But like always, his opponent starting punching back and he went into survival mode, rather than back his talent.

Hey mate what did you think of Zappa? I thought his punches looked very powerful and tight, although obviously against pretty limited opposition.

What were your overall thoughts on the card?

I was there live and while the atmosphere was good, overall I was disapointed. In regards to the mainevent I was waiting all night for Mundine to just let his hands go. He seemed very stiff in there, like he never really loosened up.

[MSTR]

Zappa looked good but it's hard to tell.

My problem with the card comes down to one thing - there was ONE close fight, McCracken vs Withers.

The rest of the fights were all squash matches with the opponents doing nothing of any real note.. you can't judge how good a boxer is when he's facing a guy who has lost his last 13 fights!

It's just really annoying that boxing in NZ and Aus is this low level, that guys like Shane Cameron for instance have to fight crap opponents because theres no one in the area worth fighting.

Mundine himself, well... I just think he's timid psychologically.. he's not the type of guy who likes to be hit and the moment he is, he starts to throw less punches.

You need a certain attitude to be a top level boxer - Zab Judah has more of that attitude than Mundine has and that's not saying much

I totally agree with you actually. I thought he had stepped up a notch, but It looks like the same old Mundine. Frightened to let his hands go and open up.