Chris Eubank v.s Thomas Hearns

[Bad_Intentions]

who wins?

[Muskyrat]

hearns

[Smith]

Wow, great detailed description and arguments mate!

[Bad_Intentions]

Wow, great detailed description and arguments mate!:huh what arguments?

[Smith]

:huh what arguments?

Exactly! The guy only said who would win, but didn't back it up

[Bad_Intentions]

Exactly! The guy only said who would win, but didn't back it upok. i was asking anyone who WINS. i dont need to back it up with my opinion on who would win. :D

[Muskyrat]

didnt think i'd get any argument we're talkin about one of the p4p atg boxers against a half decent world champion who was good but not in his league

[unitas]

hearns.

[Vantage_West]

chris by ko

eubank was a hard nut to crack he had an almighty chin. and when it was knocked down he would stand up in less than 3 secounds...in his 6 knockdown as a pro he was only properly knocked down by calzgahe and watson. he has laste on the canvas only 19 secounds. he was never phased and never gave up.

his inside abilty was imensily awkward,he had kept a low left hand and a high right hand very similar to hearns but eubank was in a squat position. he would stay close enough so that every punch would be able to land jab cross uppercut hook every thing.he then stalked his man and launched these quick shots right on the chin,the temple, the soft of the liver and the solar plexus...he was also a very quick fighter not in succestion and combo's but in the speed he reacted his jab was frightningly snappy.

anyone with a game plan was to win the first few rounds and stay compettative at the end. becuase eubanks stamina especially in the early years was dire. later he could go 12 rounds easyt but he tired himself out by throwing to many punches.

he also walked away which hearns had never seen before,not that hearns will feel embaresed and leave the ring in a huff just it was hard to hit chris and when you did he would saty standing. he would brawl box and outfox his man.

i love hearns and feel he could beat everyother british middlewieght in the 90's and 80' but not eubank

[unitas]

chris by ko

eubank was a hard nut to crack he had an almighty chin. and when it was knocked down he would stand up in less than 3 secounds...in his 6 knockdown as a pro he was only properly knocked down by calzgahe and watson. he has laste on the canvas only 19 secounds. he was never phased and never gave up.

his inside abilty was imensily awkward,he had kept a low left hand and a high right hand very similar to hearns but eubank was in a squat position. he would stay close enough so that every punch would be able to land jab cross uppercut hook every thing.he then stalked his man and launched these quick shots right on the chin,the temple, the soft of the liver and the solar plexus...he was also a very quick fighter not in succestion and combo's but in the speed he reacted his jab was frightningly snappy.

anyone with a game plan was to win the first few rounds and stay compettative at the end. becuase eubanks stamina especially in the early years was dire. later he could go 12 rounds easyt but he tired himself out by throwing to many punches.

he also walked away which hearns had never seen before,not that hearns will feel embaresed and leave the ring in a huff just it was hard to hit chris and when you did he would saty standing. he would brawl box and outfox his man.

i love hearns and feel he could beat everyother british middlewieght in the 90's and 80' but not eubank

if he was so great, how come he lost to ray close, thulane malinga and graciano rocchigiani???:lol::lol:

[Vantage_West]

didnt think i'd get any argument we're talkin about one of the p4p atg boxers against a half decent world champion who was good but not in his leagueoh yea he could be beaten but beaten by men who came foreward had a high workrate and counterpunched watson collins calzaghe had it covered

[Vantage_West]

if he was so great, how come he lost to ray close, thulane malinga and graciano rocchigiani???:lol::lol: he didnt lose ???:good


anyways this was after he almost killed michael watson. after you injure somone in the ring like that you dont go out all guns blazing

[Bad_Intentions]

chris eubank was a pinguo as well. he tko'd nigel benn in the first fight in the 8th. a benn was one of the toughest boxers of england.

[unitas]

he didnt lose ???:good


anyways this was after he almost killed michael watson. after you injure somone in the ring like that you dont go out all guns blazing

He lost all three .....he just got hometown decisions.

eubank was a solid, awkward fighter........who spend most of his time making an ass of himself (and the WBO) by fighting pathetic challengers.

anway, he was good enough to beat the john javises of this world.....but not someone with the talent of hearns.

if thulane malingas jab was good enough to outpoint eubank, hearns jab would have set him up for the right hand. and the knockout.

[Vantage_West]

He lost all three .....he just got hometown decisions.

eubank was a solid, awkward fighter........who spend most of his time making an ass of himself (and the WBO) by fighting pathetic challengers.

anway, he was good enough to beat the john javises of this world.....but not someone with the talent of hearns.

if thulane malingas jab was good enough to outpoint eubank, hearns jab would have set him up for the right hand. and the knockout.is this before or after watson:think

well doesnt matter who he loses to he would beat hearns. hearns had an amazing right hand but he wouldnt hit him hard enough... and the ko eubank was knocked down only through unbalance not by a shaky jaw.
hearns doesnt counterpunch he dosnt have the inside abilty to hurt him


....wait what am i saying have you ever seen a eubank fight

[unitas]

is this before or after watson:think

well doesnt matter who he loses to he would beat hearns. hearns had an amazing right hand but he wouldnt hit him hard enough... and the ko eubank was knocked down only through unbalance not by a shaky jaw.
hearns doesnt counterpunch he dosnt have the inside abilty to hurt him


....wait what am i saying have you ever seen a eubank fight

very very often i´m afraid:verysad.

it doesnt matter who he loses to, he would beat hearns?????that is childish.

eubank never met anyone with hearns talent. hearns was taller and he would jab eubank silly.

eubank was just an overprotected WBO champ. this is not his league.

[Mantequilla]

Eubank definitely did not get a gift decision against malinga.

At most it was a close fight, but i thought Eubank took it by a good 4 points or so.

[fernando4cv3]

the hearns that lost to marvin hagler would ko eubank.

[Doppleganger]

the hearns that lost to marvin hagler would ko eubank.
I highly doubt that Hearns would KO Eubank, although if anyone can it would be Tommy. He should be able to win if he sticks on the outside as talent-wise he is on a different planet. If he tries to mix it he could end up being stopped, as Chris was a big MW who was as tough as nails and a hard puncher with the right hand himself. If the fight was made before Eubanks fought Watson I'd favour Hearns but give Eubanks a good punchers chance. If it was made after I'd heavily favour Hearns UD as Eubanks became very gun-shy after what happened to Watson.

[Boro chris]

Hearns with a clear ud if he boxed without any pressing desire to knock chris out. Hearns was brilliant but allways appeared shakey at 160. before the Watson fight Eubank was considered a pretty good finisher and very dangerous.
People allways think that an atg waltzs over lesser fighters as if they're invinceable, but you have too strugle to beat really good fighters of the calibre of Eubank to become great. Hearns would win, but he'd better be really focused if he didn't want to get sparked out.
What Im trying to say is that its their achievemebnts that make a fighter great. The difference in talent between a great boxer (Hearns) and a very good one (Eubank) is often minimal.

P.S. Cant remember much about the Ray Close and Malinga fights but Eubank clearly outpointed Gracianno.(one of Eubanks better wins imo)

[achillesthegreat]

I have to believe that after Hearns pimps Eubank, Chris finds a way to win. He'll turn up the heat, throw huge right hands and his natural size may be telling! 2-1 Hearns overall is most likely.

[rekcutnevets]

Eubank would have a chance to win by stoppage as long as the fight goes on.

Hearns was almost impossible to outpoint. Barkley, of all people, is the only one to do so.

Hearns by decision. Eubank makes the fight close by dropping Hearns, but Hearns still pulls it out.

[Holmes' Jab]

Hearns, by close but clear decision. Hearns may well be dropped at some stage during this fight, though in the end would hold himself together and come on the stronger during the championship rounds. He'd need to be totally foccused and on his game however otherwise Eubank would have a great chance of a stoppage.

Hearns UD15 Eubank

[Senya13]

Hearns never proved to me he could be focused the whole distance of the fight. He outboxes lazy Eubank silly, but in the end it will be Thomas being counted out on the canvas.

[Sweet Science]

I like Eubank and have fond memories of watching him in my teenage years. However, lets be realistic here, Hearns was in a different league to Eubank. Tommy would have handily beaten Chris by decision or even stopped him if Chris decided to go toe to toe at any point.

Believe it or not when Eubank was recentley asked his opinion of who was the greatest boxer of all time, his answer was Thomas Hearns. He would be honoured even to be mentioned in the same sentance as Hearns.

When interviewed about the Mayweather - De La Hoya fight. Eubank was asked if he considered PBF to be better than himself, this was his response.

"I'd consider that young kid (Mayweather) better than anything I've seen with the exception of a mid-80s Thomas Hearns, and I wouldn't have even touched Thomas Hearns."

To quote the late Christopher Wallace:

Case closed suitcase filled with clothes.

[Nemesis]

if he was so great, how come he lost to ray close, thulane malinga and graciano rocchigiani???:lol::lol:

Hey Lurch, how did he get home town decisions against Rocchigiani & Close, none of them where even in his own country!

Your obviously one of those sycophantic German fans who beleives that Svennie Ottke was unbeatable

[JohnThomas1]

Eubank makes Tommy look silly for a few rounds, Tommy gets to grips with him and out-works him.

Nobody made Tommy look silly by outboxing him, it just didn't happen. Eubank won't be either. Especially early on.

[killerkai1]

Hearns, but if eubank hits a Bingo punch forgot about the count!

[Doppleganger]

Unlikely Eubank would land a 'bingo punch', he wasn't the most concussive of punchers and by his own admission wasn't gifted enough to be able to KO an opponent when he wanted

I'd have to disagree with you here. Eubank demonstrated that he could be very concussive with the right hand. He was rather awkward when coming forward being more of a natural counter-puncher so I agree with you there. He was very gun-shy after the Watson fight (as you could probably understand) and so if they fight after Watson Hearns wins a comfortable UD. Before the Watson fight it's more dangerous for Tommy.

[Xplosive]

Hearns was in a different class than Eubank, even at 160. Hearns by UD. Dropping Eubank along the way.

[PowerPuncher]

if he was so great, how come he lost to ray close, thulane malinga and graciano rocchigiani???:lol::lol:

Close - yep a gift, Eubanks had declined

Rocchigiani - no chance Eubanks clearly beat him, how is Eubank getting a home town decision in Germany against a German fighter?

Malinger - close fight, Eubanks landed the more effective blows though, not really controversal

Anyway all that aside, I see Hearns outboxing Eubanks early before getting starched late if its a prime for prime.

[zadfrak]

Eubank.

Everyone seems to dismass a lot of those Singletary/Dewitt/Olijade/etc. type fights Hearns had above 154. The only guy he really starched was Shuler & there's a name you rarely see mentioned. Everything else was a struggle, unlike his dominance in the lower weight classes.

I don't like Tommy's legs in this matchup or his habit of standing straight up. Eubank threw a sneaky right hand in there and Tommy is just going to try rolling back with it. That's the guys Eubank can hit. Sooner or later Hearns will get hit clean & he's not the guy that will absorb a big shot in this test of whiskers. And it won't be against a Kinchen or Andries caliber finisher when he does get hurt. Eubank tko9.

[PowerPuncher]

very very often i´m afraid:verysad.

it doesnt matter who he loses to, he would beat hearns?????that is childish.

eubank never met anyone with hearns talent. hearns was taller and he would jab eubank silly.

eubank was just an overprotected WBO champ. this is not his league.

Remember Barkley who owned Hearns twice? Yes that man got put away in a round by BEnn who Eubanks just beat and drew with

HEarns record at 160-175 isn't that impressive, so lets look at this in isolation:

Hagler - lost in 3 rounds

Andrias - late round KO, good win

Roldan - early round KO - decent win

Barkley 1 - devastating loss

Kitchen - close win

Leonard 2 - draw, should have got the win, Leonard was past prime

Hill - excellent win

Barkley 2 - losses again

Its not showing him as a remarkable force at middleweight and he always looks vunerable to a powerful strong middle-super middle. In fact why didnt HEarns look to face Benn or Nunn??? The men that beat Barkley and became champs? Was he simply cherry picking at these weights?

[headhunter]

Eubank by KO or Hearns by UD. 50/50 fight

[headhunter]

Remember Barkley who owned Hearns twice? Yes that man got put away in a round by BEnn who Eubanks just beat and drew with

HEarns record at 160-175 isn't that impressive, so lets look at this in isolation:

Hagler - lost in 3 rounds

Andrias - late round KO, good win

Roldan - early round KO - decent win

Barkley 1 - devastating loss

Kitchen - close win

Leonard 2 - draw, should have got the win, Leonard was past prime

Hill - excellent win

Barkley 2 - losses again

Its not showing him as a remarkable force at middleweight and he always looks vunerable to a powerful strong middle-super middle. In fact why didnt HEarns look to face Benn or Nunn??? The men that beat Barkley and became champs? Was he simply cherry picking at these weights?

Benn would have KO Hearns before round 6

[Doppleganger]

Remember Barkley who owned Hearns twice? Yes that man got put away in a round by BEnn who Eubanks just beat and drew with

HEarns record at 160-175 isn't that impressive, so lets look at this in isolation: Basing the outcome of a fight on what other opponents did to each other is never a good way to gauge the outcome of a fight. You also say that Tommy's record at 160-175 isn't that impressive which is a little harsh. One loss against one of the best middleweights in history and another against a man he was utterly dominating before he got careless; the rest are wins (or should have been in the case of the 2nd Leonard fight) aside from the 2nd Barkley fight when he was simply outhustled and shot in any case. I notice you also missed off the Shuler win which IMO is one of the most impressive rounds of long-range body punching you're likely to ever see.

Cherry picking? No way mate. Anyone who has any knowledge of the man knows that Tommy would fight anyone.

I liked Eubank but talent-wise Hearns was in a different league.

[PowerPuncher]

Basing the outcome of a fight on what other opponents did to each other is never a good way to gauge the outcome of a fight. You also say that Tommy's record at 160-175 isn't that impressive which is a little harsh. One loss against one of the best middleweights in history and another against a man he was utterly dominating before he got careless; the rest are wins (or should have been in the case of the 2nd Leonard fight) aside from the 2nd Barkley fight when he was simply outhustled and shot in any case. I notice you also missed off the Shuler win which IMO is one of the most impressive rounds of long-range body punching you're likely to ever see.

Cherry picking? No way mate. Anyone who has any knowledge of the man knows that Tommy would fight anyone.

I liked Eubank but talent-wise Hearns was in a different league.

No but I was responding to the guy who said Hearns was mixing in class above at 160-175. P4P hearns is the greater fighter but at 160-168 Eubanks is at least his equal and stylistically would beat him.

I feel Hearns didn't have the physical advantages at 160-175 and was vunerable to punchers at the weight. Eubank was an excellent finnisher, an accurate fast puncher who would stalk opponents down, who put it all on the line late in the fight could stop and beat him. Eubanks strength, chin and power would be the telling difference.

If Barkley beats Hearns twice, Eubank would stop Hearns late on. I see this fight being very similar to Eubanks-Watson 2, where Eubank comes from behind to finnish.

[The Wanderer]

Mechanically, it's not even a contest. Eubank didn't know how to jab in close until Lennox Lewis showed him how to coil properly. Link ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). Tommy, on the other hand is both one of the best and hardest hitting boxer-punchers that ever laced on gloves, particularly from middleweight down.

Tommy boxes to either a late KO or clear cut decision, with Eubank having a puncher's chance due to Tommy's chin.

[Doppleganger]

I feel Hearns didn't have the physical advantages at 160-175 and was vunerable to punchers at the weight. Eubank was an excellent finnisher, an accurate fast puncher who would stalk opponents down, who put it all on the line late in the fight could stop and beat him. Eubanks strength, chin and power would be the telling difference.
Pre Watson I'd give Eubank a decent puncher's chance for the reasons you said. Post Watson, when Chris became a little gun-shy due to what happened to Watson, it's Tommy on points all the way.

[Xplosive]

I cant believe so many here are giving Eubank a chance here. Its more than him not being in Hearns' class, he didnt have the style to beat Hearns either. Stylistically of all the British fighters, Benn would have had the best chance against Hearns.

Eubank was a counterpuncher who didnt like coming forward, and wasnt good at doing so. Hearns would have easily outboxed him from the outside, and after tasting Tommy's right hand, Eubank wouldnt even attempt to get inside IMO.

[paidinrakim]

No but I was responding to the guy who said Hearns was mixing in class above at 160-175. P4P hearns is the greater fighter but at 160-168 Eubanks is at least his equal and stylistically would beat him.

I feel Hearns didn't have the physical advantages at 160-175 and was vunerable to punchers at the weight. Eubank was an excellent finnisher, an accurate fast puncher who would stalk opponents down, who put it all on the line late in the fight could stop and beat him. Eubanks strength, chin and power would be the telling difference.

If Barkley beats Hearns twice, Eubank would stop Hearns late on. I see this fight being very similar to Eubanks-Watson 2, where Eubank comes from behind to finnish.

your using the triangle theory b so your basically sayin dat since mayorga beat forest and mosley lost to forest mayorga would beat mosley

your logic is flawed son na mean

[radianttwilight]

Hearns never proved to me he could be focused the whole distance of the fight. He outboxes lazy Eubank silly, but in the end it will be Thomas being counted out on the canvas.

What evidence do you have to prove the bolded part above?

Hearns got caught and stopped in the fourteenth round against Leonard. Keep in mind that Eubank never went past 12.

I guess you could attempt to argue that he "lost focus" against Hagler when he broke his hand on the latter's forehead.

Getting KO'd in a fight when you were ahead on the cards doesn't mean you "lost focus", it just means that you got KO'd in a fight while you were ahead on the cards.

[Rock0052]

Close - yep a gift, Eubanks had declined

Rocchigiani - no chance Eubanks clearly beat him, how is Eubank getting a home town decision in Germany against a German fighter?

Malinger - close fight, Eubanks landed the more effective blows though, not really controversal

Anyway all that aside, I see Hearns outboxing Eubanks early before getting starched late if its a prime for prime.


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