Questions about meat

[Zhaakal]

Is it good for a boxer to eat meat? If it is then how many times a week would be good and what kind of meat would you suggsest.:huh

[Lostmykeys]

I eat a lot of steak personally.

[MagnificentMatt]

I would like to have some info on this as well.. like, how horrible is a burger for you? Or anything with ground beef for that matter (tacos etc.)

[amy]

It's not imperative as long as you are getting enough protein from other sources. I eat fish about once a week.

If you are going to eat meat, make sure it is lean. Burgers and tacos should be something of a treat considering how much fat and cholesterol there is.

[Marvelous Marcum]

Hell yes a boxer should be eating meat! We need the protein.

In no particular order here are some meats you should be eating

1)Lean cuts of steak
2)Fish
3)Chicken
4)Lean beef


There ya go. So is pork good? No. That's why it's off the list.

About the ground beef, make it 96/4 or 90/10 and it's fine. I make tons of burgers that way. And tacos.

[amy]

Hell yes a boxer should be eating meat! We need the protein.

In no particular order here are some meats you should be eating

1)Lean cuts of steak
2)Fish
3)Chicken
4)Lean beef


There ya go. So is pork good? No. That's why it's off the list.

About the ground beef, make it 96/4 or 90/10 and it's fine. I make tons of burgers that way. And tacos.
The #9 nationally ranked featherweight (who just returned from the olympic trials) is vegetarian...and he seems to be doing just fine without meat.

There are plenty of healthy ways to get protein, eating meat isn't the only way.

[Little_Mac]

If it were possible to live healthy and be a carnivore.... i'd be one

[Filmnpuck]

There are plenty of healthy ways to get protein, eating meat isn't the only way.

But it is the most delicious.

Amy's right, though. Eggs, Non-fat cottage cheese, beans, peanut butter. Lots of non-meat sources of protein out there.

That being said, I eat meat pretty much everyday. You've just got to keep it lean, as mentioned above. As far as burgers go, if you start with the type of lean ground beef as mentioned above and make the burgers yourself, then it's not that big of a problem. (Buy some whole-wheat buns to make it even healthier.) There are better sources, though. Like skinless chicken breasts and tuna (pretty much all fish is great).

[prasake]

heh there

i am a vegetarian, have been for 13 years and i box amatuer.

about 18 months ago, i went and tried muay thai in thailand, lived in a camp there and basically trained twice a day, 6 days a week.

i have nothing scientific to back me up apart from what i saw and that was that i recovered better than the other students there at the time, i was eating a lot of vegetables, rice and i also ate eggs and dairy.

i also understand that there are a lot of fighters out there who really limit the meat in their diets, i heard keith holmes is a vegetarian and also heard that hopkins doesnt eat much either.

i also heard a lot of other athletes limit meat intake - like the NZ rugby team, who dont eat any heavy red meat (like steaks) in the week before a game.

i'm not trying to preach vegetarianism, but it works for me, i think if u eat a balanced diet you should be fine, but if u do cut out meat, you must ensure you get adequate protein from non meat sources, especially if you are going to be training hard.

[RDJ]

Amy is right, there are different ways to get protein IF you decide you don't want it. Meat is an excellent source of protein however.

[Marvelous Marcum]

The #9 nationally ranked featherweight (who just returned from the olympic trials) is vegetarian...and he seems to be doing just fine without meat.

There are plenty of healthy ways to get protein, eating meat isn't the only way.

The question was one based on meats and if we need them. Yes, I suppose I could have listed some alternative choices, but if the OP did not specify about being vegan or vegetarian why waste the time? Thank you for you're $.02 though.

[amy]

The question was one based on meats and if we need them. Yes, I suppose I could have listed some alternative choices, but if the OP did not specify about being vegan or vegetarian why waste the time? Thank you for you're $.02 though.

The specific comment you quoted was in response to you actually. I had already replied to the original poster.

If you don't want my 2 cents then ignore my posts, no need to be a jerk.

[Zhaakal]

Would meat be good if you want to go up some kilograms, not fat, muscle?

[RDJ]

Would meat be good if you want to go up some kilograms, not fat, muscle?

If you want to go up in weight you should be on a diet high on calories. If you want to add muscle you need high quality protein. Meat is one of the sources of high quality protein. So yes, meat would be one of the many things you would eat if you want to gain muscle. You would also eat large amounts of fruits, pasta, dairy products, eggs, whatever. Meat alone won't do shit for you. Hard work plus a balanced diet is what you need.

[Zhaakal]

If you want to go up in weight you should be on a diet high on calories. If you want to add muscle you need high quality protein. Meat is one of the sources of high quality protein. So yes, meat would be one of the many things you would eat if you want to gain muscle. You would also eat large amounts of fruits, pasta, dairy products, eggs, whatever. Meat alone won't do shit for you. Hard work plus a balanced diet is what you need.

Ok.. Thanks :good :happy

[Marvelous Marcum]

The specific comment you quoted was in response to you actually. I had already replied to the original poster.

If you don't want my 2 cents then ignore my posts, no need to be a jerk.

I know it was in response to me, letting me know that we don't NEED meat. Well yes, I realize this, I am well versed in the dietary department. My point was that we do need the nutrients that come with it (and yes I know you can get them from other means.)


P.s. There wasn't any sarcasm in my last post, so I do not feel that I deserved to be called a jerk.

[viru§™]

Would meat be good if you want to go up some kilograms, not fat, muscle?
Easy analogy from T-Nation.com to help understand what you should eat:


I like to use a construction worker analogy to explain this. Imagine that your muscles are like a house you're trying to build. The bricks used to build the house represent the amino acids (from the ingestion of protein) while the money you're paying the workers (so that they'll do the work) represents the carbs and fat you eat.
Finally, the workers represent the factors involved in the protein synthesis process (Testosterone mainly) and the truck bringing the bricks to the workers represent insulin (which plays a capital role in transporting the nutrients to the muscle cells).

If you don't give the workers enough bricks (protein) they won't be able to build the house as fast as they could. So in that regard, an insufficient protein intake will slow down muscle growth.
Similarly, if you don't pay your workers enough (low carbs or fat intake) they won't be as motivated to work hard. As a result, the house won't be built very rapidly. In fact, if you really cut the workers' pay, they might even get mad, go on strike, and start demolishing the house (catabolism due to an excessively low caloric intake). So in that regard, not consuming enough protein or calories to support muscle growth will lead to a slower rate of gains.
Now, what happens if you start to send more bricks (increase protein intake) to the workers? Well, they'll be able to build the house more rapidly because they aren't lacking in raw material. However, at some point, sending more and more bricks won't lead to a faster rate of construction because the workers can only perform so much work in any given amount of time. For example, if your crew can add 1000 bricks per day to the walls, giving them 2000 bricks per day will be useless: it exceeds their work capacity. So the excess bricks will go to waste (literally).

In the same regard, if you increase your workers' salary (increase caloric intake) chances are their motivation will also increase and as a result they'll build the house faster. However, just like with bricks, there comes a point where increasing the workers' salary won't have any effect on the house-building rate: the workers will reach their physical limit. Once this limit is reached you can increase their salary all you want; they won't be able to add bricks to the house any faster.
What I'm trying to say is you can't bully your body into building muscle by force-feeding it. Adding nutrients and calories will have a positive effect on muscle growth until you reach your saturation point. After that, any additional calories will be stored as body fat.
So while it's true the more you eat the bigger you'll get, the additional weight will be in the form of fat, not muscle tissue.

[Kolya]

I know it was in response to me, letting me know that we don't NEED meat. Well yes, I realize this, I am well versed in the dietary department. My point was that we do need the nutrients that come with it (and yes I know you can get them from other means.)


P.s. There wasn't any sarcasm in my last post, so I do not feel that I deserved to be called a jerk.

And I think what she was pointing out was that no; you don't need to eat just meat to get the nutrients in them; as there are other, non-meat sources of the same nutrients. Same as what RDJ said as well.

[Marvelous Marcum]

And I think what she was pointing out was that no; you don't need to eat just meat to get the nutrients in them; as there are other, non-meat sources of the same nutrients. Same as what RDJ said as well.

Lol I understand that.

[Kolya]

Lol I understand that.


Well then why did you say you must have meat?

[Marvelous Marcum]

Hell yes a boxer should be eating meat! We need the protein.
That is what I said, I also explained WHY he needed it. Sure he could find it from other sources, but nothing else is going to have as much in it. I suppose you're right, I could have said it like this "You don't have to eat meat, you can get protein from other sources; however it is the best source of it in terms of volume." Does this make everyone happy? Or are you going to try and argue that beans and eggs have more protein than a chicken breast?

[Tito Time]

Stay away from red meat and pork. You can get protien in way better ways. I always tear up some Turkey and baked chicken\fish etc..... Does the trick for me. I kicked the red meat\pork gig for about a 2 years now.

[Marvelous Marcum]

What is so bad about red meat?

Nothing. Some cuts of meat are very fatty like Prime Rib. However, some are very lean such as round steak, deer, and stuff like that.

[ralphc]

Is it good for a boxer to eat meat? If it is then how many times a week would be good and what kind of meat would you suggsest.:huh



Way back in the not so good old days when you had to make weight on the day of the fight, most boxers ate very little meat. Since athletes have highly efficient mtabolisms, they tend to gain weight very easily, so they were forced to avoid those foods which tend to put on the mass. It is just a myth that old time boxers ate stake and eggs every meal.

Gene Tunney would have told you that your diet should consist of a large variety of natural, healthy, fresh foods. That advice is a valid today as it was 80 years ago.

[MrSmall]

You should be doing enough work and be in good enough nutritional knowledge to be able to eat whatever you want.