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Titan1
06-27-2007, 01:31 PM
The Jackson that fought a 61 round draw against James J. Corbett vs the Johnson who killed James Jeffries in a 45 round fight.Who takes?

apollack
06-27-2007, 02:29 PM
Peter Jackson. Better than Johnson in every way except maybe one punch power.

mightyd40
06-27-2007, 02:52 PM
i rate jack johnson as probably top 5 hw's ever so its tough for me to choose peter over him w/o footage from that time and very little reading about him......so i go jj by default of my own loose knowledge

amhlilhaus
06-27-2007, 03:55 PM
both guys were mainly counterpunchers, could be a stinker.

Bad_Intentions
06-27-2007, 04:49 PM
peter jackson.

he had the stamina to last long.

Sam Dixon
06-27-2007, 05:05 PM
His fight with Corbett is obviously the most well known one of his career, but if talking about a best versus best scenario pitting him against Johnson, it might be better to take the Peter Jackson of a couple/few years earlier who wasn't slipping yet and also wasn't handicapped by an ankle injury or other possible ailments he had entering that fight with Corbett.

janitor
06-28-2007, 05:33 AM
It is worth mentioning that many people who saw them both rated Jackson the better of the two.

Both Corbett and Fitzsimmons rated Jackson as the best heavyweight that ever lived.

Ramon Rojo
06-28-2007, 05:37 AM
Both Corbett and Fitzsimmons rated Jackson as the best heavyweight that ever lived.

That explains why Sullivan was afraid to fight him.

janitor
06-28-2007, 05:39 AM
That explains why Sullivan was afraid to fight him.

That plus the fact that he had seen better days by then. Sullivan's manager privately advised him that he would not beat Jackson.

Senya13
06-28-2007, 07:12 AM
There were reasons to believe even past his prime Sullivan would beat Jackson. Jackson didn't like pressure and was somewhat fragile against rough aggressive fighters.

janitor
06-28-2007, 07:36 AM
Jackson didn't like pressure and was somewhat fragile against rough aggressive fighters.

What lead's you to these conclusions?

Senya13
06-28-2007, 07:49 AM
Adam Pollack's book has a chapter on Jackson, it explains it very well there.

Holmes' Jab
06-28-2007, 07:59 AM
An intriguing matchup this. I have a sneeking feeling Jackson stops him late on in a battle of will and stamina. It's not neccessarily gonna be a slugfest, this one, but it sure would be capivating stuff.

janitor
06-28-2007, 08:00 AM
Adam Pollack's book has a chapter on Jackson, it explains it very well there.

Sadly I do not own said book.

Going on the sources available to me at present I don't see it.

mcvey
06-28-2007, 08:26 AM
The Jackson that fought a 61 round draw against James J. Corbett vs the Johnson who killed James Jeffries in a 45 round fight.Who takes?
Johnson ,he was superior to Corbett in every department and would show it by outpointing Jackson.

Ramon Rojo
06-28-2007, 08:35 AM
Johnson ,he was superior to Corbett in every department and would show it by outpointing Jackson.

:good

janitor
06-28-2007, 09:21 AM
Johnson ,he was superior to Corbett in every department.

He was also different to Corbett in most department's so this might not be a good analogy.

janitor
06-28-2007, 09:49 AM
Peter Jackson was Jack Johnson's hero. After he won the title he visited Jackson's grave.

Both were highly inteligent me who in a more enlightened era would not have needed to box to make their fortunes.

Mendoza
06-29-2007, 08:51 AM
Peter Jackson was Jack Johnson's hero. After he won the title he visited Jackson's grave.

Both were highly inteligent me who in a more enlightened era would not have needed to box to make their fortunes.


Jackson and Johnson had the same trainer, Henry Blanken yet they fought and acted differently outside the ring. Jacksonwas a quick boxer who used his footwork and jab to win. Jackson's money punch was a famous 1-2, which according to the news papers arrived in a flash. Johnson preferred clinch and in-fight, with his famous punch was a head snapping uppercut.

janitor
06-29-2007, 10:44 AM
Jackson and Johnson had the same trainer, Henry Blanken yet they fought and acted differently outside the ring. Jacksonwas a quick boxer who used his footwork and jab to win. Jackson's money punch was a famous 1-2, which according to the news papers arrived in a flash. Johnson preferred clinch and in-fight, with his famous punch was a head snapping uppercut.

I think that Peter Jackson was quite similar to Larry Holmes in terms of style.

mcvey
06-30-2007, 06:52 AM
It is worth mentioning that many people who saw them both rated Jackson the better of the two.

Both Corbett and Fitzsimmons rated Jackson as the best heavyweight that ever lived.
Corbett ,who hated Johnson is on record as saying that Jack was the cleverest heavyweight he ever saw.