View Full Version : Does Anyone Here Really Think Anyone at 147lbs Beats Sugar Ray Robinson
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Jose FM
06-27-2007, 02:20 PM
Nobody Beats Sugar Ray Robinson Not Even All The Middleweights!
El Presidente
06-27-2007, 02:21 PM
:blood
Thread Stealer
06-27-2007, 02:21 PM
I'm at work and can't watch the youtube highlights, but I can't call it since I've seen so little of Robinson @ 147.
The only footage I've seen of SRR @ 147 is short and grainy.
I've seen more of him @ 160 where he was still a hell of a fighter but he was more vulernable (and that was even before his dancing career).
brooklyn1550
06-27-2007, 02:23 PM
No, not at 147
Thread Stealer
06-27-2007, 02:23 PM
Nobody Beats Sugar Ray Robinson Not Even All The Middleweights!
:roll:
I'm at work and can't watch the youtube highlights, but I can't call it since I've seen so little of Robinson @ 147.
The only footage I've seen of SRR @ 147 is short and grainy.
I've seen more of him @ 160 where he was still a hell of a fighter but he was more vulernable (and that was even before his dancing career).
Check it when you get home, it has two parts. Just one of many great tribute videos to SRR.
I know that his best years were not filmed, which makes this footage all the more scary to me.
Marnoff
06-27-2007, 02:25 PM
Since he was probably even greater at Welterweight than Middleweight (seeing as how he was fighting as a Welterweight against heavier guys), he would probably have been unbeatable - or as much as that is possible.
Another good one.
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Stinky gloves
06-27-2007, 02:28 PM
Nobody Beats Sugar Ray Robinson Not Even All The Middleweights!
Calzaghe would destroy him.
Sinew
06-27-2007, 02:30 PM
Any fighter with black and white footage of his fights , is invincible:D
Any fighter with black and white footage of his fights , is invincible:D
So instead of being a smartass why dont you tell me who would beat him. :D
sandwichsurgeon
06-27-2007, 02:33 PM
Any fighter with black and white footage of his fights , is invincible:D
Agreed, especially the ones who have fights that were never recorded or had poor quality footage.
China_hand_Joe
06-27-2007, 02:33 PM
I won't come out and say I favor any WWs over him, he was like a mini-Calzaghe in that divison, way ahead of his time. Though there are surely some fighters who have a very decent chance against him.
I won't come out and say I favor any WWs over him, he was like a mini-Calzaghe in that divison, way ahead of his time. Though there are surely some fighters who have a very decent chance against him.
Classic.
C Money
06-27-2007, 02:39 PM
SRR defined P4P for ALL-TIME!! Prime SRR is the favorite over ANYONE ever at 47, IMO The guy had it all.
Marnoff
06-27-2007, 02:40 PM
I know that his best years were not filmed, which makes this footage all the more scary to me.
Exactly.
Marnoff
06-27-2007, 02:41 PM
Any fighter with black and white footage of his fights , is invincible:D
So then who beats him?
Tencount85
06-27-2007, 02:42 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Arturo Gatti KO 1. Hahaha j/k
Marnoff
06-27-2007, 02:42 PM
Agreed, especially the ones who have fights that were never recorded or had poor quality footage.
So then who beats him?
sandwichsurgeon
06-27-2007, 02:44 PM
So then who beats him?
Charlie "Sweet Pea" Zelenoff
DrunkenShad
06-27-2007, 02:46 PM
Can't think of a single fighter at 147 that could outright beat Ray Robinson.
mightyd40
06-27-2007, 02:48 PM
Charlie "Sweet Pea" Zelenoff
haha..........i think that robinson could beat anyone ever at 147 though a loss on an off night is possible
Drew101
06-27-2007, 02:48 PM
Sugar Ray Leonard would have had a legitimate shot of winning, since he could match SRR in terms of speed, could hit hard, and probably was a better defenisve fighter that Robinson.
You can't rule out Napoles (who possessed an impressive mixture of power and ultra-smooth boxing skill), or Griffith (who had the strength, and versatility to give anyone a hard night at welterweight). In a three fight series, I'd say all of these fighters could easily have taken at least one of the fights.
sandwichsurgeon
06-27-2007, 02:51 PM
I think a real great like Leonard or Hearns would beat him on an off night and due to their calibre they would stretch him on any occasion but thats the closest anyone could ever get if he was given the preperation periods of modern fighters.
DrunkenShad
06-27-2007, 02:52 PM
Ahh how did I miss him? I think Hearns would have had a pretty decent shot.
Kostya Zoo
06-27-2007, 02:54 PM
probably not.
Badman B
06-27-2007, 03:25 PM
im not disagreeing, he might of been the best, but i find that to me the form of alot of the old fighters looks sloppy
Arthur
06-27-2007, 03:34 PM
Carmen Basilio might of beat him at 147. Basilio WAS a 147 fighter that moved up to 160 just to fight SRR and beat him once, and many feel twice (including all of press row at the second fight).
doublesuited
06-27-2007, 03:47 PM
Hearns would give Robinson plenty of trouble.
Caper
06-27-2007, 04:13 PM
Hearns would give Robinson plenty of trouble.
Oh shit we agree :shock:
Yeah Hearns would have tagged SRR a couple of times depending on how Sugar's chin held up............it might have been close. The difference between Lenord and Robinson was Robinson was more willing to engage blow for blow which was his down fall at times and was also his key to winning at times. There's no doubt in my mind that SRR would have at least floored Hearns once or twice in a fight between the two though.
doublesuited
06-27-2007, 04:52 PM
Oh shit we agree :shock:
Yeah Hearns would have tagged SRR a couple of times depending on how Sugar's chin held up............it might have been close. The difference between Lenord and Robinson was Robinson was more willing to engage blow for blow which was his down fall at times and was also his key to winning at times. There's no doubt in my mind that SRR would have at least floored Hearns once or twice in a fight between the two though. I think the only way Robinson wins is by engaging with Hearns.
Because we all know you can't outbox the Motor City Cobra. Not even the great Sugar Ray Robinson. :bart
kg0208
06-27-2007, 05:00 PM
Oh shit we agree :shock:
Yeah Hearns would have tagged SRR a couple of times depending on how Sugar's chin held up............it might have been close. The difference between Lenord and Robinson was Robinson was more willing to engage blow for blow which was his down fall at times and was also his key to winning at times. There's no doubt in my mind that SRR would have at least floored Hearns once or twice in a fight between the two though.
This was the guy I was going to say. Hearns is the one with the best shot IMO. SRL could probably give him a go and make it damn close as well.
Relentless
06-27-2007, 05:39 PM
i'll tell you who beats him, the real sugar, sugar shane mosley.
Shake
06-27-2007, 08:57 PM
Hearns could outbox him and would pose problems. The thingis, I still see Sugar Ray tagging him. His coordination, speed and ferocious attitude....I think he knocks Hearns out.
Of course, Hearns could hit as sharp as a surgeons knife with his right. I think that would have to be his ticket. I don't think he wins a decision given his wobbly leg syndrome when tagged.
codeman99998
06-27-2007, 09:23 PM
Hearns has a good chance also because he was a total freak of nature at 147. I don't think Robinson ever had to deal with someone like Hearns.
Still though, SRR beats DLH right? RIGHT?! Of course he does, some nutjob thinks DLH is better than SRR on another thread because DLH has belts in more divisions than Robinson. I just can't get that out of my head.
fernando4cv3
06-27-2007, 09:30 PM
Hearns has a chance in the ww division. I think Hagler would KO him in the middleweight division
john garfield
06-27-2007, 09:51 PM
First, SRR's the best fighter I've ever seen. I watched him train and fight live from the early '40s. As a welter, he was nonpareil.
If anyone might've frusrated him, it would've been Charley Burley -- a boring, sharp-shooting, defensive whiz. It would've stunk the joint out, but Burley -- one outta three, if the Gods were smiling on him -- mighta got a split nod.
So you think a fighter like Pernel or Mayweather would have a chance?
Personally I feel that Sugar Ray would have whipped on Floyd and Oscar on the same night.
the_what
06-27-2007, 10:05 PM
Nobody beats Robinson at Welterweight. He is the complete fighter. Could outbox you. And has great KTFO power. Nobody beats him.
maracho
06-27-2007, 10:09 PM
No. He mastered all forms of boxing including PBF's style as well as inside slugging like Hatton and Cotto.
fightking12
06-27-2007, 10:40 PM
great video
sues2nd
06-27-2007, 10:50 PM
Plenty of fighters COULD beat him at 147.
SRL, Hearns, etc.
BUT, NONE of them would be favored. I actually think Hearns would be a tough fight at that weight for SRR tho.
First, SRR's the best fighter I've ever seen. I watched him train and fight live from the early '40s. As a welter, he was nonpareil.
If anyone might've frusrated him, it would've been Charley Burley -- a boring, sharp-shooting, defensive whiz. It would've stunk the joint out, but Burley -- one outta three, if the Gods were smiling on him -- mighta got a split nod.
Interesting. How do you see Hearns against him, as many here have suggested.
By the way, thats awesome that you saw SRR fight live!
john garfield
06-28-2007, 12:44 AM
Interesting. How do you see Hearns against him, as many here have suggested.
By the way, thats awesome that you saw SRR fight live!
Hearns at his best would be a problem for any welter. His Achiles Heel was durability. In a firefight with SRR, Tommy wouldn't last.
Hearns at his best would be a problem for any welter. His Achiles Heel was durability. In a firefight with SRR, Tommy wouldn't last.
John if you have time, could you compare him to SRL, Roy Jones Jr, and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Its rare to get to talk to someone who has seen all of these fighters.
Thanks.
john garfield
06-28-2007, 02:43 AM
John if you have time, could you compare him to SRL, Roy Jones Jr, and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Its rare to get to talk to someone who has seen all of these fighters.
Thanks.
Leonard was most like Robinson: Smooth movement around the ring, picture-book punches, a flare for the dramatic, blazing hand speed and flashy combinations, but they didn’t carry Robinson’s authority, and he was less durable.
As for Jones, we can’t compare them at welter. Roy never fought pro at that weight. But, style for style, RJ’s unique – a performance artist – all instincts, reflexes and athleticism. His combinations were blinding, but not as fully extended as Robinson’s. His weakness was durability, too. But, for as long as it lasted, he’d give SRR fits.
Mayweather is like the Tiger Woods of the ring – born to box – a prodigy. But as brilliant as he is, his temperament is about winning – looking pretty. Sugar always looked pretty, but he was a killer from the opening bell.
Rock0052
06-28-2007, 03:53 AM
Thanks for your take on it John, it's much appreciated
Rock0052
06-28-2007, 03:55 AM
Carmen Basilio might of beat him at 147. Basilio WAS a 147 fighter that moved up to 160 just to fight SRR and beat him once, and many feel twice (including all of press row at the second fight).
Nice choice....Basilio's a name nobody else mentioned, but he seemed to be to Robinson what Sadler was to Pep. He probably would've been a foil to Robinson at whatever weight they fought at, even if he didn't get the W.
Expert
06-28-2007, 04:55 AM
Carmen Basilio might of beat him at 147. Basilio WAS a 147 fighter that moved up to 160 just to fight SRR and beat him once, and many feel twice (including all of press row at the second fight).
this is a very good post.
Expert
06-28-2007, 04:56 AM
By the way, thats awesome that you saw SRR fight live!
yes
Danny Ocean
06-28-2007, 05:01 AM
i think if the 2 sugar rays fought 3 times leonard would win a least 1nce
Leonard was most like Robinson: Smooth movement around the ring, picture-book punches, a flare for the dramatic, blazing hand speed and flashy combinations, but they didn’t carry Robinson’s authority, and he was less durable.
As for Jones, we can’t compare them at welter. Roy never fought pro at that weight. But, style for style, RJ’s unique – a performance artist – all instincts, reflexes and athleticism. His combinations were blinding, but not as fully extended as Robinson’s. His weakness was durability, too. But, for as long as it lasted, he’d give SRR fits.
Mayweather is like the Tiger Woods of the ring – born to box – a prodigy. But as brilliant as he is, his temperament is about winning – looking pretty. Sugar always looked pretty, but he was a killer from the opening bell.
Man this is a wonderful post! Thanks for taking the time to answer! I think your descriptions are right on!
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