How much is Hatton shrugging here? [Archive]

Shev

10-20-2007, 09:29 PM

The plates I have are 14lbs, maybe the plates Hatton is using are standard plates used in most gyms. Hattons small so I assumed he wasn't doing as heavy as it looks but then again he was doing 180lbs on the lat pull down machine with ease before the Collazo fight.

achillesthegreat

10-21-2007, 10:09 AM

Not really that impressive seeing as he's using a machine and there's barely any movement.
Agreed its on a machine but that doesn't change the fact it is impressive. Anyone who has done shrugs knows they can kill. A 5'6, 10 stone man shrugging 100kg minimum is impressive. What is scary is that he clearly isn't fresh and I think those plates could be 15 or 20kg and that makes it 150 to 200kg!!! That becomes FUCKING impressive.

achillesthegreat

10-21-2007, 10:09 AM

One plate is normally 14lbs or 1 stone.
Its 10, 15 or 20. I'm quite sure of that.

bigeddie27

10-21-2007, 10:12 AM

i can shrug your mom.

Marvelous Marcum

10-22-2007, 01:35 AM

Shrugging 200kg is impressive? I certainly disagree with you sir.

elTerrible

10-22-2007, 06:45 AM

I got a pic of hatton using the leg press machine with the thing fucking full to the max of plates.

Its hard to tell if hes doing actual leg presses or using it for the calves as many people do, but its impressive none the less.

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here are some on the net, its not the exact picture i had, but you can get the idea:

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knockout

10-22-2007, 07:02 AM

:think I think he was shrugging 540 to 585 pounds..fuck thats alot for a small man.

freesix88

10-22-2007, 07:12 AM

traps is my favourite muscle... looks so badass

Rakim

10-22-2007, 10:05 AM

I'm pretty sure those are 20kg plates, and there's 12 of the fuckers, making it 240kg! :yikes

At the very least they're 15's, which still makes it 180kgs, very impressive.

Ethan Trims

10-22-2007, 11:14 AM

Thats alot of weight.

Since hatton doesnt really hit all that hard it proves you cant measure punching power by how much a person weight lifts.

Relentless

10-22-2007, 11:30 AM

Thats alot of weight.

Since hatton doesnt really hit all that hard it proves you cant measure punching power by how much a person weight lifts.

you taken a shot from him?

32 kos out of 42 fights.

viru§™

10-22-2007, 11:59 AM

achillesthegreat

10-22-2007, 12:19 PM

Shrugging 200kg is impressive? I certainly disagree with you sir.
For a 10 stone man who is at the end of of his workout? Certainly is.

achillesthegreat

10-22-2007, 12:21 PM

Potentially 240kg if it is 6 plates on either side!!!

Marvelous Marcum

10-22-2007, 12:41 PM

If it was on a barbell I would agree. That style of grip makes it VERY easy to stack up the weights.

elTerrible

10-22-2007, 12:55 PM

I don't see what's so impressive? A shrug is raising your shoulders as high as possible, aiming to touch your ears, in the video Hatton brings his shoulders up about half an inch then brings his head down, that is not a shrug.

Just another guy trying to show off with stupid amounts of weight.

you do have a good point, those style of shrugs are very easy to do.

If Im using dumbells for shrugs I will normally use 60# dumbells for 2*60 = 120lbs total

If Im using the bench press lever machine which can be used for shrugs the exact way hatton is doing it then I will do 3 plates each side for 2*3*45 = 270 lbs more than double what I do with the dumbells.

I can use 4 plates as well for 360 total lbs but then I sacrafice form and dont bring it up as high with that amount so I usually stick to 3 plates each side.

So thats 2x as much using great form and 3x as much doing small shrugs compared to what I would do using dumbells.

buddynabuick

10-22-2007, 04:57 PM

Mayweather looked like a PUNK when he got so close to hatton. I hope Hatton tears his head off

Ethan Trims

10-22-2007, 05:09 PM

you taken a shot from him?

32 kos out of 42 fights.

Hes an accumulative puncher who has a high workrate. Him beating a shot castillo with one punch doesnt mean nada. I wouldnt describe him as being heavyhanded, well maybe a little.

brooklyn1550

10-22-2007, 05:19 PM

Somehwere around 500 pounds

Marvelous Marcum

10-22-2007, 10:40 PM

Say it is 200kg. That can easily be deadlifted by a 150 pound man.

PowerPuncher

10-28-2007, 12:30 PM

Agreed its on a machine but that doesn't change the fact it is impressive. Anyone who has done shrugs knows they can kill. A 5'6, 10 stone man shrugging 100kg minimum is impressive. What is scary is that he clearly isn't fresh and I think those plates could be 15 or 20kg and that makes it 150 to 200kg!!! That becomes FUCKING impressive.

Have any of you lot been in a gym before? Ofcourse there 20kg plates and theres 6 a side. So hes shrugging 240kg on a machine with wrist straps. Now 240kg is allot of weight but its only shrugs.

Because its only shrugs its not that impressive actually. The weights only moving a fraction. Seriously I haven't done this exercise since I was a teenager and I did a fair amount more than him when I used to do it (I'm 210lbs now and was around 180lbs when I used to do that exercise), I always had a strong back/traps though

radianttwilight

10-28-2007, 08:37 PM

Have any of you lot been in a gym before? Ofcourse there 20kg plates and theres 6 a side. So hes shrugging 240kg on a machine with wrist straps. Now 240kg is allot of weight but its only shrugs.

Because its only shrugs its not that impressive actually. The weights only moving a fraction. Seriously I haven't done this exercise since I was a teenager and I did a fair amount more than him when I used to do it (I'm 210lbs now and was around 180lbs when I used to do that exercise), I always had a strong back/traps though

So you did more than him when you were a teenager who weighed 180 lbs....how much does Hatton weigh? :D

Ziggy936

10-28-2007, 10:25 PM

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chinachin_76

10-29-2007, 01:39 AM

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550 pounds by my calculations.

achillesthegreat

10-29-2007, 05:25 AM

Have any of you lot been in a gym before? Ofcourse there 20kg plates and theres 6 a side. So hes shrugging 240kg on a machine with wrist straps. Now 240kg is allot of weight but its only shrugs.

Because its only shrugs its not that impressive actually. The weights only moving a fraction. Seriously I haven't done this exercise since I was a teenager and I did a fair amount more than him when I used to do it (I'm 210lbs now and was around 180lbs when I used to do that exercise), I always had a strong back/traps though
:lol

I love this line. Have any of you lot been in a gym before. As if to imply you know something we don't.

A 140 pound man shrugging 528 pounds is impressive. Period.

achillesthegreat

10-29-2007, 05:26 AM

Hatton does 19 plates on the leg press. It's on youtube. Doesn't do full motion though.

viru§™

10-29-2007, 09:36 AM

:lol

I love this line. Have any of you lot been in a gym before. As if to imply you know something we don't.

A 140 pound man shrugging 528 pounds is impressive. Period.

I agree a 140lbs man shrugging 528lbs is very, very impressive. But seeing as Hatton wasn't actually doing a shrug I don't see this as impressive.

PowerPuncher

10-29-2007, 10:38 AM

:lol

I love this line. Have any of you lot been in a gym before. As if to imply you know something we don't.

A 140 pound man shrugging 528 pounds is impressive. Period.

No, the fact that most can't tell what a 20kg plate looks like is quite amazing to me and the fact that you think shrugging 6plates a side is impressive indicates you've never hit the weights.

PowerPuncher

10-29-2007, 10:43 AM

Hatton does 19 plates on the leg press. It's on youtube. Doesn't do full motion though.

19 Per Side or 19 in total? I did 13 a side when I was 19 (27 now), I was around 160-180 at that age, but if I was ripped I'd be less.

Leg Press is another ego lift, guys can do 12plates per side and only squat 180kg, which is good but not great

True measure of strength = Squat/Bench/Deadlift/Power Clean/Overhead Press. Notice they don't show footage of him doing these exercise because he only benches around 90kg. I didn't bother with ego lifts like Leg Press or Shrugs after my teenage years.

Ricky Hatton probably doesn't deadlift much over 140-160, which is decent but again not amazing

MrSmall

10-29-2007, 12:58 PM

Leg press serves it's purpose.
Concentric.

achillesthegreat

10-30-2007, 05:23 AM

No, the fact that most can't tell what a 20kg plate looks like is quite amazing to me and the fact that you think shrugging 6plates a side is impressive indicates you've never hit the weights.
It's because there are so many plates, I was sceptacle of whether they were 20kg.

Ok PowerPuncher, I've never hit the weights :patsch

achillesthegreat

10-30-2007, 05:25 AM

19 Per Side or 19 in total? I did 13 a side when I was 19 (27 now), I was around 160-180 at that age, but if I was ripped I'd be less.

Leg Press is another ego lift, guys can do 12plates per side and only squat 180kg, which is good but not great

True measure of strength = Squat/Bench/Deadlift/Power Clean/Overhead Press. Notice they don't show footage of him doing these exercise because he only benches around 90kg. I didn't bother with ego lifts like Leg Press or Shrugs after my teenage years.

Ricky Hatton probably doesn't deadlift much over 140-160, which is decent but again not amazing
You guys crack me up.

Hatton is a 10 stone man and not a power lifter. He is doing these numbers after a boxing workout. Kayes says if Hatton didn't want to box, he could make him a top power lifter.

PowerPuncher

10-30-2007, 08:35 AM

You guys crack me up.

Hatton is a 10 stone man and not a power lifter. He is doing these numbers after a boxing workout. Kayes says if Hatton didn't want to box, he could make him a top power lifter.

Hatton does his weights in a seperate workout from what I've read.

If Kayes did say he could make Hatton into a top powerlifter hes way off and Kayes doesn't have powerlifting expertise anyway.

I'm sure Ricky would put up some reasonable numbers but top powerlifters lift insane numbers, even 140lb 1s (and Hatton would compete at 150, no day before weigh ins).

The lift isn't shabby but Ricky just isn't that powerful. If he was he'd be a bigger more explosive puncher

The biggest powerwise around Hattons weight is Shane Mosley who probably outlifts Hatton by 50% going by reports - although we haven't seen these for sure. Kostya Tyszus lifts put Hattons to shame too.

Having said all this Ricky is a great overall package of stamina and strength and stands a shot at beating PBF

achillesthegreat

10-31-2007, 05:30 PM

Hatton does his weights in a seperate workout from what I've read.

If Kayes did say he could make Hatton into a top powerlifter hes way off and Kayes doesn't have powerlifting expertise anyway.

I'm sure Ricky would put up some reasonable numbers but top powerlifters lift insane numbers, even 140lb 1s (and Hatton would compete at 150, no day before weigh ins).

The lift isn't shabby but Ricky just isn't that powerful. If he was he'd be a bigger more explosive puncher

The biggest powerwise around Hattons weight is Shane Mosley who probably outlifts Hatton by 50% going by reports - although we haven't seen these for sure. Kostya Tyszus lifts put Hattons to shame too.

Having said all this Ricky is a great overall package of stamina and strength and stands a shot at beating PBF
I believe Kerry and I think you are taking away credit.

Rickys strength had nothing to do with his power. Two different things. Ricky punches wrong when he fights. He is a mauling, brawling, marauding type fighter. Cuffing shots, short shots, some wild shots. Ricky isn't planting his feet, turn his hips into the shots, turning his punches over etc When he does sit down on his punches you get Castillo.

What are Shanes and Tszyus lifts, put them down.

Rakim

10-31-2007, 07:29 PM

What are Shanes and Tszyus lifts, put them down.

My favourite story about Tszyu is that he can do plyometric press-ups so well that he can get from press-up position to standing position in one push. Probably bullshit, but a cool myth nonetheless.

Relentless

10-31-2007, 08:23 PM

i heard tszyu does a head stand against the wall and stays there for time to work his neck.

Rakim

10-31-2007, 08:29 PM

i heard tszyu does a head stand against the wall and stays there for time to work his neck.

:lol: You taking the piss out of my bullshit story? I honestly saw it on a website somewhere.

Lostmykeys

10-31-2007, 08:42 PM

:lol: You taking the piss out of my bullshit story? I honestly saw it on a website somewhere.

I heard a Tszyu straight right is the reason Waldo has been hiding.

Relentless

10-31-2007, 09:46 PM

:lol: You taking the piss out of my bullshit story? I honestly saw it on a website somewhere.

no seriously, i think i read it in his book, i cant remember.

achillesthegreat

11-01-2007, 05:25 AM

I heard a Tszyu straight right is the reason Waldo has been hiding.
lol.

My brain immediately thought you meant Wally. Who is Waldo? In Britain we have a book called Where's Wally.

achillesthegreat

11-01-2007, 05:26 AM

My favourite story about Tszyu is that he can do plyometric press-ups so well that he can get from press-up position to standing position in one push. Probably bullshit, but a cool myth nonetheless.
I think he might be able to do it you know. The guy is NUTS at push ups.

Rakim

11-01-2007, 09:57 AM

lol.

My brain immediately thought you meant Wally. Who is Waldo? In Britain we have a book called Where's Wally.

Waldo is the same as Wally, just the American version.

Rakim

11-01-2007, 09:58 AM

I think he might be able to do it you know. The guy is NUTS at push ups.

I'd just love to see a clip of it, I've looked around the internet but I couldn't find anything.

PowerPuncher

11-01-2007, 12:06 PM

I believe Kerry and I think you are taking away credit.

Rickys strength had nothing to do with his power. Two different things. Ricky punches wrong when he fights. He is a mauling, brawling, marauding type fighter. Cuffing shots, short shots, some wild shots. Ricky isn't planting his feet, turn his hips into the shots, turning his punches over etc When he does sit down on his punches you get Castillo.

What are Shanes and Tszyus lifts, put them down.

Alleged Lifts:

Shane Mosley: Bench: 315lbs-365lbs depending who tells it, Deadlift 500lbs-550lbs

Tyszu: Clean and Jerk - 250lbs - this is very impressive, Bench 250lbs - hmmm if you clean and jerk 250lbs shouldn't you be able to bench 300lbs+++:huh

Hatton: Bench Press: 180lbs-200lbs Squats/Deadlifts - doesnt perform them so unknown but he hackssquats around 360lbs partially - that translates to about 250-300lbs on a deadlift

So Mosley works out at about 50% stronger than Hatton if his figures are right. But this is explosive strength not strength stamina - ie being fit to stay strong for 12rounds

MrSmall

11-01-2007, 12:37 PM

Yeah, he stands on his head for about 5 minutes, for his neck work. I remember seeing it and reading it.

scurlaruntings

11-01-2007, 12:52 PM

achillesthegreat

11-01-2007, 05:38 PM

Alleged Lifts:

Shane Mosley: Bench: 315lbs-365lbs depending who tells it, Deadlift 500lbs-550lbs

Tyszu: Clean and Jerk - 250lbs - this is very impressive, Bench 250lbs - hmmm if you clean and jerk 250lbs shouldn't you be able to bench 300lbs+++:huh

Hatton: Bench Press: 180lbs-200lbs Squats/Deadlifts - doesnt perform them so unknown but he hackssquats around 360lbs partially - that translates to about 250-300lbs on a deadlift

So Mosley works out at about 50% stronger than Hatton if his figures are right. But this is explosive strength not strength stamina - ie being fit to stay strong for 12rounds
Mosley started doing weights when he was at 154, thus he was ONE STONE heavier.

Tszyu benching 120kg is VERY impressive for a 5'6 10 stone man.

I'm also doubtful about Hattons bench press. He recently said in an interview that he'd set himself a new high.

achillesthegreat

11-01-2007, 05:41 PM

Not really achilles. Hatton IS A VERY strong little guy.But shrugs on a smith machine stacked up are relatively easy when your muscle memory and conditioning are high.
I disagree. Machines are easier and they do take the smaller muscles out of the equation because you don't need to use so much control and tire those muscles BUT shrug is a relatively simple movement. Up-down. You can either get some range of motion or not. Little technique.

Potentially 240kg is on the machine. Anyone who doesn't think this is impressive for a 5'6 10 stone man is a moron. Not to mention the fact he has clearly tired himself out on other machines prior to this exercise.

achillesthegreat

11-01-2007, 05:57 PM

Hatton does 20x25kg on the leg press. Not full motion but that is still FIVE HUNDRED KG!

Marvelous Marcum

11-02-2007, 12:00 AM

500kg isn't that impressive on leg press. Sorry.

Dumi

11-02-2007, 03:19 AM

Alleged Lifts:

Shane Mosley: Bench: 315lbs-365lbs depending who tells it, Deadlift 500lbs-550lbs

That's pretty f*cking good.

Tyszu: Clean and Jerk - 250lbs - this is very impressive, Bench 250lbs - hmmm if you clean and jerk 250lbs shouldn't you be able to bench 300lbs+++:huh

Doesn't work like that. Different mechanics.

Hatton: Bench Press: 180lbs-200lbs Squats/Deadlifts - doesnt perform them so unknown but he hackssquats around 360lbs partially - that translates to about 250-300lbs on a deadlift

Again, hacksquat don't translate to deadlifts. They're opposite movements.

scurlaruntings

11-02-2007, 04:53 AM

500kg isn't that impressive on leg press. Sorry.I dont think you know what your talking about. 500lbs may not be that impressive but for a 5ft 6 guy who`s 10 stone thats very very good but not exceptional. 500kg is well over a 1000lbs. Now if he was pushing that he may aswell be a bodybuilder as that is exceptional. Smith machines though are relatively easy and you can stack them up all you want.Like i said before as long as your muscle memory is tight to do shrugs with 5 plates isnt a great feat.

achillesthegreat

11-02-2007, 08:48 AM

240kg shrug, 500kg leg press...

...not impressive...

...LOL!

Rakim

11-02-2007, 08:58 AM

240kg shrug, 500kg leg press...

...not impressive...

...LOL!

:lol: I think you're forgetting that at least 95% of the people on this board can bench press cars. That's how they all pulled their supermodel girlfriends, whom they keep hold of by fighting off any armed ninjas with their sublime boxing skills.

chinachin_76

11-02-2007, 09:25 AM

:lol: I think you're forgetting that at least 95% of the people on this board can bench press cars. That's how they all pulled their supermodel girlfriends, whom they keep hold of by fighting off any armed ninjas with their sublime boxing skills.:rofl:rofl

Dumi

11-03-2007, 11:28 PM

240kg shrug, 500kg leg press...

...not impressive...

...LOL!

I'm not even gonna get into the "shrugging" Ricky's apparently doing there, but the leg press is a pretty shitty exercise and is not much more than an ego machine. The squat is a far more accurate representation of leg power, and if we're gonna get into more useful lifts the lunge would be a lot better as I've yet to see any boxer move about bilaterally. Besides which, I see his kness bending no more than 3 inches there. Don't even know how much of a rep that is. Not trying to sound like a world-class strongman here, but I think this has gotten a little ridiculous how people are falling over themselves there.

achillesthegreat

11-04-2007, 08:14 AM

I'm not even gonna get into the "shrugging" Ricky's apparently doing there, but the leg press is a pretty shitty exercise and is not much more than an ego machine. The squat is a far more accurate representation of leg power, and if we're gonna get into more useful lifts the lunge would be a lot better as I've yet to see any boxer move about bilaterally. Besides which, I see his kness bending no more than 3 inches there. Don't even know how much of a rep that is. Not trying to sound like a world-class strongman here, but I think this has gotten a little ridiculous how people are falling over themselves there.
It appaears Ricky is definitely doing 240, I've seen clearer footage now.

Leg press isn't as good as squats, this is agreed but its serving a purpose and that is why he is not doing full motion.

Who is falling over themselves? It is the opposite and that is what is silly. People have forgotten how strong a 5'6 10 stone man is. As soon as people talk about 240kg shrug not being impressive I switched off. EVEN if it is a machine.

viru§™

11-04-2007, 09:56 AM

this is agreed but its serving a purpose and that is why he is not doing full motion.
Being able to move the weight at all is somewhat impressive but what purpose would moving 3 inches serve?

younghypnotiq

11-04-2007, 12:54 PM

big deal hes using a tiny range of motion and a machine. BTW most of the siht he does is like that which is why hes ggetting rocked my PBF

achillesthegreat

11-04-2007, 04:19 PM

younghypnotiq

11-04-2007, 05:21 PM

im not sayign its a useless excercise. but its not big deal to lift that mjuch with that small range of motion and with a machine

Dumi

11-05-2007, 09:06 PM

Small range of motion because that is realistic to a boxing match. When in stance and planting his feet his knees are only bent a small amount and he has to produce/generate strength and power from that position. Kayes has explained this numerous times.

Mimicking a specific movement can be bad for you. What's worse is that lying on your back and pushing a weight up for 2" is about as unrealistic as I can think of for boxing. Something like a box squat at varying heights would be better and far more realistic as you're on your feet just like in boxing and it'd teach you to be able to explode up, just as you may need to for certain punches. Again, shitty exercise on an even shittier machine.