Who will beat Wlad?

[Punisher33]

The last time Wlad lost was in April of 04, it was suppose to be a walk through match against a underachiever in Lamon "Relentless" Brewster, a guy with a big heart and punch. The fight was going well for Wlad until the 5th round were Wlads fatigue set in and Brewster was able to get his punches in, the fight would end abruptly with a shocking 5th round TKO.

Wlad has dominated the heavywieght division since then, with only a little a bump in rode named Sam Peter, he has dominated Austin, Bryd, Brewster, and Brock. Wlad has beat down the weak heavywieght division single handedly, who can stop him.

So who will be the next heavywieght to beat Wlad, will come in the form of a heavy hitter like Peter or good boxer in Iggy or somewhere in the middle like a Chageav, what do you think?

[Langford]

I wonder who he will fight next. IBF tournament wont be finished until march/april of next year. He won't get to fight the winner of it until the summer.
I think he will fight before then.

Because Peter and Mask is set for Feb, I don't think its either one of those.
Chagaev stays within the WBA (Lyak v. Valuev winner?)

I think if he wants a fight within his usual March/April time schedule he fights Ibragimov and I think he beats Ibragimov.

He will then fight Povetkin later on in the year in the fight of 2008 and that will be a fight.

[Punisher33]

I have a feeling either Peter or Valuev will be the next to beat Wlad. Valuevs size I think will mess with Wlads head, and it will be interesting to see what kind of pop Valuev can take and what he could give out. Peter is a pressure fighter that wont let Wlad relax in the pocket, where hes so dangerous. If Peter takes the fight to Wlad I see him winning.

[Cachibatches]

Chag would be a good fight.

[Punisher33]

Peters has the best chance. he was knocking him silly in their first fight. Peters has gotten better since then so yes, Peters is the man to reshatter that glass that Wlad calls a chin. I agree, Peter should be able to show off his power against Maskaev, look for the punch to be a devastating overhand right that finishes Maskaev.:good

[ChrisPontius]

I have a feeling either Peter or Valuev will be the next to beat Wlad. Valuevs size I think will mess with Wlads head, and it will be interesting to see what kind of pop Valuev can take and what he could give out. Peter is a pressure fighter that wont let Wlad relax in the pocket, where hes so dangerous. If Peter takes the fight to Wlad I see him winning.

I actually doubt Valuev has the power to take Wlad out. I've seen him land flush on a lot of fighters but not with the effect you'd expect from someone his size. He throws many arm punches which is probably why he has a fairly high punch output.
Of course he does have a chance to wear Wlad down because of his massive tiring size and good stamina. But Wlad paces himself like a robot recently; i doubt Valuev can pull a Purrity although it's his best chance.

About Peter..... i doubt it. He improved his boxing skills somewhat, but he still has no chance in hell to outbox Wlad. His best chance is to get in there and throw big power punches like he did in their first fight. Wlad will be more confident now though, maybe a bit more agressive and McCline showed that Peter's chin isn't invincible as it seemed to be.
Maybe Peter's style of taking a lot of punishment as well as many sparring wars has taken its toll..... either way, he could take Wlad, but it's not gonna be easy.


Povetkin and Chagaev seem to be the future (besides Wlad). Neither of them has a good style to beat Wlad; Povetkin is a good pressure fighter/boxer but seems to lack big power which is needed against Wlad or he'll probably be outboxed, and Chagaev is more of a defensive, short range counter puncher who Wlad probably picks apart from the outside and tie up on the inside.

But of course with Wlad's chin you can never know...

[RUSKULL]

Peters has the best chance. he was knocking him silly in their first fight. Peters has gotten better since then so yes, Peters is the man to reshatter that glass that Wlad calls a chin.

You keep dreaming visions of Peter being something special but deep down inside we all know he ain't nothing special and I'd be shocked, yes shocked, if Wladimir didn't KO him in any rematch.

[RUSKULL]

I agree, Peter should be able to show off his power against Maskaev, look for the punch to be a devastating overhand right that finishes Maskaev.:good

It's also quite possible that Oleg finishes Peter off with a right hand. Maskaev has already KO'd top 10 HW's with his power, Peter has yet to do so.

[Punisher33]

I actually doubt Valuev has the power to take Wlad out. I've seen him land flush on a lot of fighters but not with the effect you'd expect from someone his size. He throws many arm punches which is probably why he has a fairly high punch output.
Of course he does have a chance to wear Wlad down because of his massive tiring size and good stamina. But Wlad paces himself like a robot recently; i doubt Valuev can pull a Purrity although it's his best chance.

About Peter..... i doubt it. He improved his boxing skills somewhat, but he still has no chance in hell to outbox Wlad. His best chance is to get in there and throw big power punches like he did in their first fight. Wlad will be more confident now though, maybe a bit more agressive and McCline showed that Peter's chin isn't invincible as it seemed to be.
Maybe Peter's style of taking a lot of punishment as well as many sparring wars has taken its toll..... either way, he could take Wlad, but it's not gonna be easy.


Povetkin and Chagaev seem to be the future (besides Wlad). Neither of them has a good style to beat Wlad; Povetkin is a good pressure fighter/boxer but seems to lack big power which is needed against Wlad or he'll probably be outboxed, and Chagaev is more of a defensive, short range counter puncher who Wlad probably picks apart from the outside and tie up on the inside.

But of course with Wlad's chin you can never know... Good post, I do feel however that Valuev will suprise Wlad with his chin and his ability to hit Wlad on the outside. I do think your right that Vaulev does not commit on his punches well, but when your 325 pounds any punch could do the job.

If Peter goes for the kill early on Wlad and applies pressure he has a good chance of putting the weak chinned Wlad on queer street, Peter can not stay on the outside he needs to keep his head on Wlads chest the whole fight, its his only chance of winning IMO.

[LennoxGOAT]

Wlad will not lose again until he retires. Lewis should not have, but the difference is Wlad is more focused than Lennox was against lower tier competition.

As long as he has Manny, he will finished unbeaten.

[drvooh]

You keep dreaming visions of Peter being something special but deep down inside we all know he ain't nothing special and I'd be shocked, yes shocked, if Wladimir didn't KO him in any rematch. I,m not certain of a KO, but I think he'd beat himeasier than b4

[RUSKULL]

Wlad will not lose again until he retires. Lewis should not have, but the difference is Wlad is more focused than Lennox was against lower tier competition.

As long as he has Manny, he will finished unbeaten.

I agree, Wlad will retire before he loses again.

[Jazzo]

I would be interested to see how he would fair against Valuev.

[RUSKULL]

I,m not certain of a KO, but I think he'd beat himeasier than b4

No way Wlad doesn't KO Peter in any rematch. What mcCline started Klitschko can finish and look good doing it too. Highlight reel material. I see Peter being countered and clobbered around the 5th or 6th round.

[Punisher33]

It's also quite possible that Oleg finishes Peter off with a right hand. Maskaev has already KO'd top 10 HW's with his power, Peter has yet to do so. True, but watch the punch that was most effective and actually landed on Maskaev when Rahman fought him. The overhand right landed perfectly for Rahman when he threw in the opening seconds of the first round of there 2nd fight, which is one of Peters signature punches.

[RUSKULL]

I would be interested to see how he would fair against Valuev.

I'd like to see that too if unification isn't possible.

[RUSKULL]

True, but watch the punch that was most effective and actually landed on Maskaev when Rahman fought him. The overhand right landed perfectly for Rahman when he threw in the opening seconds of the first round of there 2nd fight, which is one of Peters signature punches.

I think Rahman is a better puncher than Peter & Oleg is not the same fighter that was KO'd vs. Whitaker, Johnson & McCall. He's improved his overall boxing skills since then.

[Punisher33]

I think Rahman is a better puncher than Peter & Oleg is not the same fighter that was KO'd vs. Whitaker, Johnson & McCall. He's improved his overall boxing skills since then. Of course the Mccall fight was like his 7th fight of his career, but Maskaev is like 38 now and should be at the end of his career. If Peter blows Maskaev out will you finally give Peter some credit?

[RUSKULL]

Of course the Mccall fight was like his 7th fight of his career, but Maskaev is like 38 now and should be at the end of his career. If Peter blows Maskaev out will you finally give Peter some credit?

I would give Peter the 4th spot that Maskaev now holds since Ibragimov has defended his belt already, not just won it. Peter is tied for #5 with Valuev at this point.

[ralphc]

The last time Wlad lost was in April of 04, it was suppose to be a walk through match against a underachiever in Lamon "Relentless" Brewster, a guy with a big heart and punch. The fight was going well for Wlad until the 5th round were Wlads fatigue set in and Brewster was able to get his punches in, the fight would end abruptly with a shocking 5th round TKO.

Wlad has dominated the heavywieght division since then, with only a little a bump in rode named Sam Peter, he has dominated Austin, Bryd, Brewster, and Brock. Wlad has beat down the weak heavywieght division single handedly, who can stop him.

So who will be the next heavywieght to beat Wlad, will come in the form of a heavy hitter like Peter or good boxer in Iggy or somewhere in the middle like a Chageav, what do you think?


Nobody has actually beaten Wladimir Klitschko, what he does is beat himself. Unless Povetkin corrects the defects in his style, I don't think there is anybody in the division ready to impose their will and defeat Klitschko. If Klitschko takes another loss it will most likely be another case of blowing it again.

[Relentless]

the man that will beat waldo will be ruslan 'the white tyson' chagaev.

[drvooh]

No way Wlad doesn't KO Peter in any rematch. What mcCline started Klitschko can finish and look good doing it too. Highlight reel material. I see Peter being countered and clobbered around the 5th or 6th round. Do you think KO because Peter was shown to be kockdownable ?? ( is that a word?? )....So Wlad is more comfortable and confident, right?? Otherwise, he should have kod' him in their first fight:hey

[Punisher33]

I would give Peter the 4th spot that Maskaev now holds since Ibragimov has defended his belt already, not just won it. Peter is tied for #5 with Valuev at this point. I got him at the 3 spot, and would put him at 2 if he would win. Iggy has been fighting the worst competition lately so he is behind Peter at this point, Chageav has beat the better competition but needs to start fighting more to keep his 2 spot.

[drvooh]

I would be interested to see how he would fair against Valuev. First of all, Jazzster, glad to see ya back in action...2ndly, you make a good pernt ( point ) :good

[Punisher33]

Do you think KO because Peter was shown to be kockdownable ?? ( is that a word?? )....So Wlad is more comfortable and confident, right?? Otherwise, he should have kod' him in their first fight:hey The reason why we havn't seen Wlad in panic mode lately is because no one has been able to pressure Wlad and hit him with effective shots, niether Bryd, Austin, Brewster, or brock was able to pressure Wlad, they let him stay back in his comfort zone and let him control the pace.

There is no one that could out box Wlad right now, you most pressure him into your type of fight and be agressive on the inside, you most be the bully in there to win against him.

[Mindspring]

Suddenly, Peter's chin has been brought into question, thanks to McCline. Amazing, I saw Wlad blast him with a right hand and Peter shook his head. That "spooked" Manny and Wlad turned off the jets for most of the fight.Wlad fought a very timid and tentative fight. But he still knocked the hell out of Peter. How anyone could rank Peter no.2 is unbelievable. Alot on this forum think they have been "bamboozled", including me.

[Heavyrighthand]

The reason why we havn't seen Wlad in panic mode lately is because no one has been able to pressure Wlad and hit him with effective shots, niether Bryd, Austin, Brewster, or brock was able to pressure Wlad, they let him stay back in his comfort zone and let him control the pace.

There is no one that could out box Wlad right now, you most pressure him into your type of fight and be agressive on the inside, you most be the bully in there to win against him.


I think Brewster, esepeciallly, tried to pressure Wlad and tried to get inside and land. I also think others tried, as well. But Wlad's left hand is the great equalizer when someone wants to get inside his reach.

Its not that they didn't try, its that they were unsuccessful at it. Wlad and Steward go to great lengths to build a very tight wall of defense to keep would be KO punchers at bay, with lateral movement, and that always present, jackhammer jab. That's hard to penetrate, as all these recent opponents have learned.

Brewster tried like hell to get inside, as I recall.


That said, I think the toughest fight for Wlad would be, hands down, Chagaev. Chagaev is really the only competitive fight for Wlad, at this point. The others who's be right behind Chagaev as a good opponent for Wlad would be, 1.Valuev, 2. Ibragimov, then 3.Povetkin-Peter-Maskaev........

[Punisher33]

I think Brewster, esepeciallly, tried to pressure Wlad and tried to get inside and land. I also think others tried, as well.

But Wlad's left hand is the great equalizer when someone tries to get inside.

Its not that they didn't try, its that they were unsuccessful at it. Wlad and Steward go to great lengths to build a very tight wall of defence to keep would be KO punchers at bay, with lateral movement, and that always present, jackhammer jab. That's hard to penetrate, as all these recent opponents have learned.

Brewster tried like hell to get inside, as I recall. Not to try and discredit Wlad, but it was plain to see Brewster was done before the fight even started, anyone in the top 10 would of had there way with Brewster that night IMO.

None of the other fighters really didnt get on the inside of Wlad, niether Brock or Bryd our inside fighters really. I agree its tough to get on the inside of Wlad, but if you can eat some leather you could get on the inside of Wlad and do some damage. Peter is the last heavywieght to give Wlad any kind of pressure and be somewhat effective with it, pressure is the key to possibly beating Wlad IMO.

[Heavyrighthand]

Not to try and discredit Wlad, but it was plain to see Brewster was done before the fight even started, anyone in the top 10 would of had there way with Brewster that night IMO.

None of the other fighters really didnt get on the inside of Wlad, niether Brock or Bryd our inside fighters really. I agree its tough to get on the inside of Wlad, but if you can eat some leather you could get on the inside of Wlad and do some damage. Peter is the last heavywieght to give Wlad any kind of pressure and be somewhat effective with it, pressure is the key to possibly beating Wlad IMO.

I agree that pressure gives one the best chance of getting to him, but I also think you confuse trying to get inside and being unsuccessful, with being shot before the fight, regarding Brewster.

He tried, and trained. But when he started paying the price, you can't suddenly assume he was shot......that discredit's Wlad's performance.

Brewster was Brewster that night. He tried his usual ploy to charge in and KO the opponent..........But Wlad was prepared for and successful at defending against Brewster's game by repeatedly nailing him with the left hand, and taking him apart with the right.

[Punisher33]

I agree that pressure gives one the best chance of getting to him, but I also think you confuse trying to get inside and being unsuccessful, with being shot before the fight, regarding Brewster.

He tried, and trained. But when he started paying the price, you can't suddenly assume he was shot......that discredit's Wlad's performance.

Brewster was Brewster that night. He tried his usual ploy to charge in and KO the opponent..........But Wlad was prepared for and successful at defending against Brewster's game by repeatedly nailing him with the left hand, and taking him apart with the right. I have been watching Breswter since he fought in my hometown of pittsburgh against Etienne in 2000, the man has the most heart of any other boxer I have ever seen live. Brewster has been in wars all of his career and never gave up, there was something wrong with him that night IMO, and I know Im not the only one that thought that.

Wlad is good at stopping other fighters from being effective, I agree with you there. How do explain a very green Peter being able to get on the inside of Wlad at times, what made him different from all the other fighters?

[Sundance]

I'd like see Wlad go in with Peter again (IF) he beats Oleg. Altho, if Vitaly comes back he's going to want that WBC belt back. Chagaev is a dangerous fighter, but I don't think he's any better than Brewster.

[Decker]

Not to try and discredit Wlad,:huh I don't think HeavyRH was trying to discredit Wlad.
but it was plain to see Brewster was done before the fight even started, anyone in the top 10 would of had there way with Brewster that night IMO.Did you think that before their fight?

None of the other fighters really didnt get on the inside of Wlad, niether Brock or Bryd our inside fighters really. I agree its tough to get on the inside of Wlad, but if you can eat some leather you could get on the inside of Wlad and do some damage. Peter is the last heavywieght to give Wlad any kind of pressure and be somewhat effective with it, pressure is the key to possibly beating Wlad IMO.It sure is. One way or the other it's the key to beating any fighter. To the fighter that is being beaten from the outside and can't win (Peter), they must try to get inside to have a chance. That's pressure on them. And when he does manage to get close enough or inside to land his punches, if either he pays too great a price or is not very effetcive... that too is pressure on the fighter trying to get inside. I know you mean "pressure" as the guy coming forward, trying to get inside. But you can look at it form the other way too. Ali applied lots of pressure to opponents by constant circling movement, beating them form the outside, and effective clinching :yep

Anyway this must be the 10th who will beat Wlad; who can beat Wlad; somebody in NBA/NFL can beat Wlad; who dat, Wlad? thread in the past few weeks :lol:

[Asterion]

With his new style, it will be difficult to see him lose.

In his next fight, I hope he fights Ibragimov or Chagaev. We need a fight that finally will establish who is the Champ.

If he doesn't fight Ibragimov or Chagaev, I think he'll fight Rahman or Tua.

Valuev will fight Liakhovich, not Wlad.

The worst thing that could happen would be Wlad fighting a guy like Golota or Sanders. I would not watch that.

[Asterion]

Double post.

[brooklyn1550]

Nobody

[Asterion]

Maybe Povetkin or Solis in the future? :bart

[Punisher33]

:huh I don't think HeavyRH was trying to discredit Wlad.
Did you think that before their fight?

It sure is. One way or the other it's the key to beating any fighter. To the fighter that is being beaten from the outside and can't win (Peter), they must try to get inside to have a chance. That's pressure on them. And when he does manage to get close enough or inside to land his punches, if either he pays too great a price or is not very effetcive... that too is pressure on the fighter trying to get inside. I know you mean "pressure" as the guy coming forward, trying to get inside. But you can look at it form the other way too. Ali applied lots of pressure to opponents by constant circling movement, beating them form the outside, and effective clinching :yep

Anyway this must be the 10th who will beat Wlad; who can beat Wlad; somebody in NBA/NFL can beat Wlad; who dat, Wlad? thread in the past few weeks :lol: When I said discredit, I was saying Im not trying to discredit Wlad not HeavyRH.

As far as Brewster is concerned, that was not the same Brewster that Im use to seeing, the man was in a complete war with Sergei a year before and took a hell of alot more punishment and his corner didnt even think of stopping it. Im convinced Brewster was there for the paycheck, wether that is true or not will never know, what corner stops a championship fight after getting caught with mostly jabs? That was definitely the first time I ever seen that, it was all just a little too wierd thats all.

[Decker]

...
As far as Brewster is concerned, that was not the same Brewster that Im use to seeing, the man was in a complete war with Sergei a year before and took a hell of alot more punishment and his corner didnt even think of stopping it. Im convinced Brewster was there for the paycheck, wether that is true or not will never know, what corner stops a championship fight after getting caught with mostly jabs? That was definitely the first time I ever seen that, it was all just a little too wierd thats all.Fair enough. But to me and others Wlad-Brew I was a little too weird. Also aren't you giving Sergei too much credit? And if not, do you think that fight contributed to Lyak's loss to Briggs?

[swedeone]

I agree, Wlad will retire before he loses again.


If he has at least 6 more fights, I wold bet my house that doesn't happen. The next time he gets in trouble with a semi-decent HW will be the first time in years (since Peter). He will not be able to handle it and it will cost him. Mark my words. :yep

[swedeone]

I agree, Wlad will retire before he loses again.


If he has at least 6 more fights, I would bet my house that doesn't happen. The next time he gets in trouble with a semi-decent HW will be the first time in years (since Peter). He will not be able to handle it and it will cost him. Mark my words. :yep

[grouch]

What was wrong with Brewster? The choice of trainer, of course. McGirt trains all of his fighters in the same way, Brewster was no different. And this is the way Buddy was fighting himself - slick, technical, counters, etc.

Unreal! Buddy wanted Brewster to be cute against Wlad, LOL!!

I have been watching Breswter since he fought in my hometown of pittsburgh against Etienne in 2000, the man has the most heart of any other boxer I have ever seen live. Brewster has been in wars all of his career and never gave up, there was something wrong with him that night IMO, and I know Im not the only one that thought that.

Wlad is good at stopping other fighters from being effective, I agree with you there. How do explain a very green Peter being able to get on the inside of Wlad at times, what made him different from all the other fighters?

[Punisher33]

Fair enough. But to me and others Wlad-Brew I was a little too weird. Also aren't you giving Sergei too much credit? And if not, do you think that fight contributed to Lyak's loss to Briggs? Sergei hurt Brewster very bad in there fight in 06, maybe the worst of anyone else in his career. I also believe Sergei took nearly as much punishment and the effects showed in his fight against Briggs, watch the reluctance he showed in engaging with Briggs throughout the fight. I think Briggs hits a little harder than Brewster, but the fact he gave Briggs that much respect is beyond me and payed for it in the end.

[Punisher33]

What was wrong with Brewster? The choice of trainer, of course. McGirt trains all of his fighters in the same way, Brewster was no different. And this is the way Buddy was fighting himself - slick, technical, counters, etc.

Unreal! Buddy wanted Brewster to be cute against Wlad, LOL!! 100% right, Buddy is maybe the worst choice for Peter, like you said hes not a cute fighter hes a slugger. I feel Freddie Roach would of been a better choice for his type of style, Buddy should be fired IMO.

[Punisher33]

Does Maskaev have a chance? Never seen Maskaev and wondering if he has a chance. Is he any good? Besides that I say a Wlad-Vitali fight would be a dangerous bout for Wlad. Yes, Maskaev has a chance against Peter. Maskaev has good power with basic skills, but is open to the overhand right something Peter throws quite often. Im perdicting knockout either way, but I think Peter will bring the heat and finish him early to mid rounds.

Wlad/Vitali will probably never happen, both in prime my money would be on Vitali, but if they fought now Wlad would probably win IMO.

[Decker]

Sergei hurt Brewster very bad in there fight in 06, maybe the worst of anyone else in his career. I also believe Sergei took nearly as much punishment and the effects showed in his fight against Briggs, watch the reluctance he showed in engaging with Briggs throughout the fight. I think Briggs hits a little harder than Brewster, but the fact he gave Briggs that much respect is beyond me and payed for it in the end.Yes. And we agree on this - Lyak-Brew was a hell of a fight !

[Punisher33]

Yes. And we agree on this - Lyak-Brew was a hell of a fight ! Best heavywieght fight I ever seen live, Brewster makes amazing fights aside from his last one with Wlad.

[dragosuhail]

i think valuev might have a siim chance of surprising wladimir with something due to his longer reach and height. remember that massive punch he hit monte barrett with in the 10th round? he threw it from halfway across the ring! and it had some speed on it. and it was totally unexpected from the slow gentle giant.

but personally the fighter i see giving wladimir some fits, is chagaev.

kinda similar to peter in power and shortness, but has more in the toolbox than peter, plus fitness, and confidence since he just beat the giant valuev.

reasons why i dont think peter can give wladimir any trouble in a rematch, and in fact will most likely lose by tko, is this:

1. peter lost his undefeated aura, and to the man he wishes to rematch. so he might be less inclined to walk through hell next time, mentally.

2. if peter tries to adopt some boxing skills which seemed shoehorned onto his natural brawling style, he will most likely be ko'ed. fighters should always stick to what works and not try to change something. he was unpredictable and wild against wladimir, and that made my fighter nervous at times. if peter boxes for a few early rounds, he will absorb huge amounts of punishment. it just doesn't fit him. though it worked against a featherfisted 5'10 obese shot fighter in toney, who is of course the polar opposite to waldimir! big mistake if his trainers tell him to try and jab with wladimir etc.

3. peter would have less confidence, while wladimir will only have more confidence. say what you will, but the legit knock down didn't put wlad on "queer street". queer street is what sanders did to wlad. and now manny has improved wladimir's balance even more, i see wladimir watching out for the rabbit punches and doing what he did to brewster in their rematch. jab the fuck outta peter for 6 rounds and slowly apply more and more harder right hands as the fight progresses.

4. peter's aura of iron chin is no longer. he still has probably the best chin in the division right now, but uppercuts and hooks can fuck him up. mccline saw something in the wlad-peter match and he was right. straight right hands to peter's nose/forehead region dont do much. but the couple uppercuts and hooks mccline landed did telling damage. also, wladimir stunned peter in the first round with a hook, and throughout other rounds. and of course in the 12th round he put peter on queer street :deal only for moment but that is way mccline noticed, and he almost capitalized on it.

so i fully expected the far improved wladimir to recognize that weakness as well now.

if peter comes into the rematch with wlad in the same shape as their first fight, then i'd expect it to go to the later rounds. but if peter comes in not as conditioned, wladimir could end it at any time.

when peter was hit at the end of the second round by mccline, it was telling that he was badly fucked up for the 3rd round. even with that 1 minute break, he came out dazed still. mccline simply doesn't have the pop, killer instinct and stamina to finish the job.

peter fans should look to chagaev or someone else to give wladimir a hard time. cause it will only be easier for wladimir in a rematch.

[Punisher33]

dragosuhail- you bring up great points, and I agree with most of them. We must remember Wlad still has a very weak chin that could be exploited at anytime, if you watch Wlad after he gets hit he tries to clinch and doesnt punch back. If Peter can put pressure on Wlad and fight a sloppy fight, he got a chance IMO.

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

I would say Valuev first ,than Peter 2nd any man that is 7-1 and 325 can do some serious wreckage, and at 7 inches and 80 or so lbs heavier , would make Wlad look small and could intimidate him, and get inside his head..
Peter would be a threat every second of the fight because of his freakish power and brute strength, he may have just had an off night from the Mccline fight:hat

[Jazzo]

First of all, Jazzster, glad to see ya back in action...2ndly, you make a good pernt ( point ) :good

I have always been in action, Vooh.

I reside in the lounge these days, my friend ;)

[Cachibatches]

I have been watching Breswter since he fought in my hometown of pittsburgh against Etienne in 2000, the man has the most heart of any other boxer I have ever seen live. Brewster has been in wars all of his career and never gave up, there was something wrong with him that night IMO, and I know Im not the only one that thought that.

Wlad is good at stopping other fighters from being effective, I agree with you there. How do explain a very green Peter being able to get on the inside of Wlad at times, what made him different from all the other fighters?
Brewster claims he just had an off night and he wants a rubber match.

So we may see if he was shot or not yet. He will probably ahve to get in line and win a few before he will get a rubber match, so it is entirely possible that we will see a revitalized Brewster and Wlad someday.

[huki]

After disposing of that euro hypejob Povetkin, Chris Byrd will annihilate the winner of Brock/Chambers, become 100% focused, and get his revenge on Wlad, by knocking his ass out cold with a huge left hand.

[Cachibatches]

After disposing of that euro hypejob Povetkin, Chris Byrd will annihilate the winner of Brock/Chambers, become 100% focused, and get his revenge on Wlad, by knocking his ass out cold with a huge left hand.
Its really too bad Byrd didn't drop to crusier when it looked like it might be in the cards. The heavies have passed him by.

[Haggis McJackass]

i think valuev might have a siim chance of surprising wladimir with something due to his longer reach and height. remember that massive punch he hit monte barrett with in the 10th round? he threw it from halfway across the ring! and it had some speed on it. and it was totally unexpected from the slow gentle giant.

but personally the fighter i see giving wladimir some fits, is chagaev.

kinda similar to peter in power and shortness, but has more in the toolbox than peter, plus fitness, and confidence since he just beat the giant valuev.

reasons why i dont think peter can give wladimir any trouble in a rematch, and in fact will most likely lose by tko, is this:

1. peter lost his undefeated aura, and to the man he wishes to rematch. so he might be less inclined to walk through hell next time, mentally.

2. if peter tries to adopt some boxing skills which seemed shoehorned onto his natural brawling style, he will most likely be ko'ed. fighters should always stick to what works and not try to change something. he was unpredictable and wild against wladimir, and that made my fighter nervous at times. if peter boxes for a few early rounds, he will absorb huge amounts of punishment. it just doesn't fit him. though it worked against a featherfisted 5'10 obese shot fighter in toney, who is of course the polar opposite to waldimir! big mistake if his trainers tell him to try and jab with wladimir etc.

3. peter would have less confidence, while wladimir will only have more confidence. say what you will, but the legit knock down didn't put wlad on "queer street". queer street is what sanders did to wlad. and now manny has improved wladimir's balance even more, i see wladimir watching out for the rabbit punches and doing what he did to brewster in their rematch. jab the fuck outta peter for 6 rounds and slowly apply more and more harder right hands as the fight progresses.

4. peter's aura of iron chin is no longer. he still has probably the best chin in the division right now, but uppercuts and hooks can fuck him up. mccline saw something in the wlad-peter match and he was right. straight right hands to peter's nose/forehead region dont do much. but the couple uppercuts and hooks mccline landed did telling damage. also, wladimir stunned peter in the first round with a hook, and throughout other rounds. and of course in the 12th round he put peter on queer street :deal only for moment but that is way mccline noticed, and he almost capitalized on it.

so i fully expected the far improved wladimir to recognize that weakness as well now.

if peter comes into the rematch with wlad in the same shape as their first fight, then i'd expect it to go to the later rounds. but if peter comes in not as conditioned, wladimir could end it at any time.

when peter was hit at the end of the second round by mccline, it was telling that he was badly fucked up for the 3rd round. even with that 1 minute break, he came out dazed still. mccline simply doesn't have the pop, killer instinct and stamina to finish the job.

peter fans should look to chagaev or someone else to give wladimir a hard time. cause it will only be easier for wladimir in a rematch.

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[enqwert]

Possible figthers to beat Wlad is

1) Chagev : An expert against tall heavies. He beat virchis, valuev,savon and ruiz. Against wlad, he is the only one to have a chance of getting the decision and has a good chin (which is a must for wlad). Still he does not have more than 30% chance.

2) Sam Peter: Though he lost some prestigue, still he has chance. ;He was very good and dangerous in the first fight. His chin is exposed but I still believe he has a good chin (took many power shots in the first match) and he can win by a good KO punch.Chance 20%
3) Valuev: has iron chin and good stamina. took clean punches from mccline without blinking (that knocked down peter 3 times:yep ) but easy to hit. He is very slow to get decision and does not have a KO punch. His chance come from the possible fatigue of wlad in the later rounds. He can suffer his first TKO lost, as even the hardest chins can be cracked by consistent HARD punches. Chance 15%
4) Possible: Povetkin,JC Gomez and Solis . We must see them against better opponents to judge.

İbragimov has no chance to get a decision and does not have the one punch KO power to have any chance.