Kessler's assesment of Calzaghe

[BigReg]

"Obviously he's a good fighter, but he's more of a brawler than a real technical fighter," said Kessler. "I don't think he punches hard, he just punches a lot. He's a very awkward fighter and wins by ruining others' styles. But he can't ruin my style. The main thing is to hit Joe and not get hit back - and I'm good at not getting hit. I'll win as I hit a bit straighter, a bit harder and with greater focus."

Good assesment. I couldn't agree more. Kessler is too strong and focused. An aging Calzaghe will not be able to throw him off his game. This is going to be a great fight for Kessler. He's going to show the world what kind of fighter he is by knocking J.C out of the p4p rankings and inserting himself in there in the process. Calzaghe is a great champion who has had a great 10 year run, unfortunately his time will be up come Nov. 3

[41fever]

Joe needs footwork amd stamina to best Kess...

[brooklyn1550]

This could be - I'm really concerned, as a Calzaghe fan, that he may lose this fight. Kessler throws the straighter punches, has a laser jab, and has great ring generalship. But I think Calzaghe is coming into this fight with more focus than ever. Kessler is great when he dictates the pace and the distance, but Calzaghe has the ability to close that distance. On the outside, he gives subtle feints of hand and foot that make it hard to get into a rythm. They also make it hard for opponents to figure out when he is going to punch. I think Calzaghe has the speed to get inside and land quick combinations. I see him getting Kessler out of a rythm. His footwork also presents a problem because he can get in and out and also show different angles.

In the end, I like Calzaghe by UD

[41fever]

I see Joe winning, but not easily. I also see him getting KTFO

[stuistylee]

early on im going cal...

[IrnBruMan]

Kessler doesn't get hit easily? :lol: You haven't seen him fight Mundine then :-(
Kessler thinks Calzaghe is more of a brawler? :lol: A brawler is someone who takes one or more to land one, no? A brawler is someone who gets stuck into it in the trenches and doesn't bother trying to avoid punches, no? Wonder if Kessler has Calzaghe mixed up with someone else? :lol:

Someone else posted that Calzaghe needs footwork and stamina to beat Kessler - guess what? He has both.

Same poster said he can see Calzaghe getting KTFO - when was the last time Kessler KTFO of someone? And who was that opponent? Now compare that opponent to Calzaghe :roll:

Calzaghe to win UD.

[BigReg]

[quote=muttley]Kessler doesn't get hit easily? :lol: You haven't seen him fight Mundine then :-(
Kessler thinks Calzaghe is more of a brawler? :lol: A brawler is someone who takes one or more to land one, no? A brawler is someone who gets stuck into it in the trenches and doesn't bother trying to avoid punches, no? Wonder if Kessler has Calzaghe mixed up with someone else? :lol:

quote]

He said he was more of a brawler than a real technical fighter. Meaning that if you take the attributes of a typical brawler and the attributes of a typical technical fighter and you compared them to the attributes that Calzaghe posseses, then you would see that Calzaghe's style more closely resembles a brawler rather than a technical fighter.

[MSTR]

Kessler doesn't get hit easily? :lol: You haven't seen him fight Mundine then :-(
Kessler thinks Calzaghe is more of a brawler? :lol: A brawler is someone who takes one or more to land one, no? A brawler is someone who gets stuck into it in the trenches and doesn't bother trying to avoid punches, no? Wonder if Kessler has Calzaghe mixed up with someone else? :lol:

Someone else posted that Calzaghe needs footwork and stamina to beat Kessler - guess what? He has both.

Same poster said he can see Calzaghe getting KTFO - when was the last time Kessler KTFO of someone? And who was that opponent? Now compare that opponent to Calzaghe :roll:

Calzaghe to win UD.
Good post. Some people here have a wild imagination.

[boxfan99]

I say Joe beats him and beats him convincingly.

What is your definition of convincingly?

If Joe wins, I can only see it as being a very close decision win or a hometown robbery. Hopefully the latter won't happen. Does anybody know whether the scores are going to be announced after each 4 rounds? I really hope they will, because then it will quickly be clear whether or not the judges will be fair.

[Amsterdam]

Good post. Some people here have a wild imagination.

I know. We've even met bafoon's who don't think RJJ is a top 100 fighter, shocking.:lol:

But at the same time, any old timer that you can name that was even ranked as a contender has a good shot at becoming a top 100 on these people's lists.:lol:

[boxfan99]

Same poster said he can see Calzaghe getting KTFO - when was the last time Kessler KTFO of someone? And who was that opponent? Now compare that opponent to Calzaghe :roll:

It was his next to last opponent - the three time WBC world champion Beyer.;) No, he doesn´'t compare to Calzaghe but who does? That doesn't mean that Calzaghe can't get stopped, everybody can get stopped.:roll:

[boxfan99]

I know. We've even met bafoon's who don't think RJJ is a top 100 fighter, shocking.:lol:

But at the same time, any old timer that you can name that was even ranked as a contender has a good shot at becoming a top 100 on these people's lists.:lol:

:good

Yeah I totally agree, nearly all old time fighters get seriously overrated no matter how bad they were.

[Amsterdam]

It was his next to last opponent - the three time WBC world champion Beyer.;) No, he doesn´'t compare to Calzaghe but who does? That doesn't mean that Calzaghe can't get stopped, everybody can get stopped.:roll:

You're going to be pleasantly surprised when Calzaghe thrashes Kessler into submission. Then you can sport my avatar that I choose, however, I almost want the fight to be as competitive as possible for a variety of reasons:

- Calzaghe will get more credit for a competitive win than a total domination, because boxing fans are fucking idiots.

- Blockhead's prediction is that Kessler gets massacred, anytime Blockhead is proven wrong and made a fool of is a good time for me and he has posting rights for Calzaghe-Kessler week, so I'd like to abuse the little shit some more.

- I like Kessler, he's an excellent fighter, want him to be able to recover from a loss and it's easy to put a close loss behind you, not easy to put a lacy style loss behind you, it in facts ruins some guys.

- 2 fights would be great.

[boxfan99]

You're going to be pleasantly surprised when Calzaghe thrashes Kessler into submission. Then you can sport my avatar that I choose, however, I almost want the fight to be as competitive as possible for a variety of reasons:

- Calzaghe will get more credit for a competitive win than a total domination, because boxing fans are fucking idiots.

- Blockhead's prediction is that Kessler gets massacred, anytime Blockhead is proven wrong and made a fool of is a good time for me and he has posting rights for Calzaghe-Kessler week, so I'd like to abuse the little shit some more.

- I like Kessler, he's an excellent fighter, want him to be able to recover from a loss and it's easy to put a close loss behind you, not easy to put a lacy style loss behind you, it in facts ruins some guys.

- 2 fights would be great.

No chance I'll be sporting your avatar.:yep Let me ask you, do you honestly still think Calzaghe wins by stoppage? Because only that or a Kessler DQ will win the bet for you, remember?

This has nothing to do with our bet but if Calzaghe should win a close or disputed decision, I hope that you will admit that you were wrong about the outcome of the fight, since you have been predicting Calzaghe to dominate from the start.:D

[kel]

This is a tough fight to predict.

Mundine showed Kessler is beatable with hand speed and footwork, Calzaghe has that plus more.

[Cruiser1]

This is a tough fight to predict.

Mundine showed Kessler is beatable with hand speed and footwork, Calzaghe has that plus more.

Kessler was nowhere near 100% for that fight and he still won handily. No way Mundine won more than 4 rounds that night.

[Jose FM]

Kessler UD.

[MSTR]

I know. We've even met bafoon's who don't think RJJ is a top 100 fighter, shocking.:lol:

But at the same time, any old timer that you can name that was even ranked as a contender has a good shot at becoming a top 100 on these people's lists.:lol:
Yeah I thought it was pretty funny. Good to see that a ratio of something like 176:10 resulted. Calzaghe will over whelm Kessler eventually with his superior combination punching in close quarters. I think at times it will be a very technical fight, and a close one, but eventually the experience and versatility of Calzaghe will pull through. Calzaghe not only has quick hands, but is very quick on his feet, which I think will be detrimental in closing the distance on Kessler. Considering that his biggest weapon is his jab, I think Kess may find it hard to land provided Joe keeps that lead hand high. Southpaws are traditionally very hard to establish a good jab against, particular a good technician like Joe.

[boxfan99]

Everyone said Lacy was going to KO Joe, but that didn't happen though did it. Since Kessler is young, a champion, and undefeated (just like Lacy) everyone is just overhyping this guy because they want to see Calzaghe get beat, but I don't think it will happen.

You can't compare Lacy and Kessler. Kessler is much better prepared to face Calzaghe, this doesn't mean that he can't lose anyway though, but he will not get blown away like Lacy did.

-Lacy had won a vacant title.
-Kessler is a double champion and have taken both belts from the former champs.

-Lacy had/has only faced one former champ before he was thrown to the wolves (Calzaghe).
-Kessler has beside the two champions beaten four former champs.

-Lacy had already been troubled (more or less) by Wiggins, Vanderpool and Sheika before he faced Calzaghe.
-Kessler has only been troubled in his away fight against Mundine, who himself is better than any of the guys that troubled Lacy.


Btw, I ask again, how do you define a convincing win? Is it a stoppage, a 120-108 decision or what?

[boxfan99]

Wow, with a gameplan like that, how can he fail?

:rofl

[boxfan99]

Well, I'll say 117-111. I think Joe is too fast for Kessler and has better boxing skills to.

Fine, thank you for your answer.:good
Personally the absolut highest I can see Calzaghe winning by is 116-112 X 3 and that is highly unlikely, but time will tell I guess. Hopefully Calzaghe won't get injured and postpone the fight, can you imagine if all these debates will have to go on for a couple of months more?:lol:

[MrStayman]

Joe has never went up against anyone with Kessler's level of defense. Combine that with the fact that he doesn't hit very hard and is old, I have Kessler winning.

[boxfan99]

Joe has never went up against anyone with Kessler's level of defense. Combine that with the fact that he doesn't hit very hard and is old, I have Kessler winning.

Well, your vCash indicates that you know how to pick a winner.:good :D

[somerset]

Has Calzaghe ever fought anybody with a similar style to Kessler? How did he win?

No point asking if Kesslers fought anyone like Calzaghe...

[buddynabuick]

Joe has never went up against anyone with Kessler's level of defense. Combine that with the fact that he doesn't hit very hard and is old, I have Kessler winning.



:goodfor the record. Kessler by KO:yep

[ThePlugInBabies]

What is your definition of convincingly?

If Joe wins, I can only see it as being a very close decision win or a hometown robbery. Hopefully the latter won't happen. Does anybody know whether the scores are going to be announced after each 4 rounds? I really hope they will, because then it will quickly be clear whether or not the judges will be fair.

how do you come to the hometown robbery conclusion? when was the last time calzaghe got a gift decision?

[ThePlugInBabies]

A great 10yrs my ass,he's been fighting bums for 10yrs,he never wanted the best,he's just a paper champion

look mate, we've already established you know fuck all outside floyd mayweather (and even there your knowledge is a little patchy), now stick to those threads.

[jammerdk]

Joe has never went up against anyone with Kessler's level of defense. Combine that with the fact that he doesn't hit very hard and is old, I have Kessler winning.

:good Don't see my man Kessler loosing this either but I think this fight will bring out the warrior in him :bbb

[Haye]

Joe needs footwork amd stamina to best Kess...

Which he has in abundance

[sean]

i would be surprised if kessler won by ko.

i see a close fight and i have long said who got home advantage would get the nod on the scorecards.

kessler might and most probably shake calzaghe with his straight right a few times in the fight , but ko him i do not think so.

seen kessler fight /thysse/siacca/lucas etc etc in fights where kessler dominated to the extent of calzaghe dominated lacy , all those fights were that one sided and none of them, despite the punishment they received were ever wobbled .

they were disheartnd and all pulled out with the exception of thyse , who should have been allowed to continue.

now calzaghe will be more ambitious and maybe more exposed to counters but by the same token he is not going to take nearly the same ammount of punches .

i see this fight going to the scorecards.

[Max Molyneux]

"Obviously he's a good fighter, but he's more of a brawler than a real technical fighter," said Kessler. "I don't think he punches hard, he just punches a lot. He's a very awkward fighter and wins by ruining others' styles. But he can't ruin my style. The main thing is to hit Joe and not get hit back - and I'm good at not getting hit. I'll win as I hit a bit straighter, a bit harder and with greater focus."

Good assesment. I couldn't agree more. Kessler is too strong and focused. An aging Calzaghe will not be able to throw him off his game. This is going to be a great fight for Kessler. He's going to show the world what kind of fighter he is by knocking J.C out of the p4p rankings and inserting himself in there in the process. Calzaghe is a great champion who has had a great 10 year run, unfortunately his time will be up come Nov. 3

Andrade's caveman brawling pressure made sure he had to keep punching.

Joe Is leagues above Andrade and could box Librado with one hand.

[toffeejack]

Kessler is gonna get the shock of his life on Nov 3rd.

Calzaghe's power is way underestimated. If both his hands are fine he'll stop Kessler in 9 or 10. (and I don't mean a joke of a stoppage I mean a proper one!)

[Gsand]

Wow, with a gameplan like that, how can he fail?

my thoughts as well

he's clearly a genius, may as well sack his coach as he has it all sorted already

[ron u.k.]

this is a tough assignment for calzaghe no doubt.from what i've seen kessler is technically sound,a big strong intimidating prescence.they reckon he's hardly lost a round in his whole career and he obvously hasn't been hit much by most of his opponents so far.watching him though i've just got the feeling he doesn't like to be hit(i know who does)sometimes when landing his blows he already seems to be in the process of getting out of there quick,and normally in a straight line.the thing is he will be hit by calzaghe of that there is no doubt,and despite what people say on here especially in the ist half of fights calzaghe has good power.we don't really know what kesslers heart is really like because no one has really made him dig deep which is a great compliment to the guy.he will be severely tested in this fight by a fighter with a style he hasn't remotely faced.if he comes through then he will deserve all the plaudits he gets.

[jammerdk]

Kessler is gonna get the shock of his life on Nov 3rd.

Calzaghe's power is way underestimated. If both his hands are fine he'll stop Kessler in 9 or 10. (and I don't mean a joke of a stoppage I mean a proper one!)

He maybe get surprised by how much power Joe's got ....but maybe joe find equally surprising how difficult Kessler's getting tagged :hi:

And about the stoppage :lol: .....

[jammerdk]

this is a tough assignment for calzaghe no doubt.from what i've seen kessler is technically sound,a big strong intimidating prescence.they reckon he's hardly lost a round in his whole career and he obvously hasn't been hit much by most of his opponents so far.watching him though i've just got the feeling he doesn't like to be hit(i know who does)sometimes when landing his blows he already seems to be in the process of getting out of there quick,and normally in a straight line.the thing is he will be hit by calzaghe of that there is no doubt,and despite what people say on here especially in the ist half of fights calzaghe has good power.we don't really know what kesslers heart is really like because no one has really made him dig deep which is a great compliment to the guy.he will be severely tested in this fight by a fighter with a style he hasn't remotely faced.if he comes through then he will deserve all the plaudits he gets.

:good

[Boro chris]

look mate, we've already established you know fuck all outside floyd mayweather (and even there your knowledge is a little patchy), now stick to those threads.


Look mate I put this joker on ignore for a reason but if you quote him I can't help but read his posts.:lol:

[ThePlugInBabies]

Look mate I put this joker on ignore for a reason but if you quote him I can't help but read his posts.:lol:

oh you must have missed his post then about knowing floyds secret to success against hatton but not being able to reveal it to us.

[BigReg]

Kessler is gonna get the shock of his life on Nov 3rd.

Calzaghe's power is way underestimated. If both his hands are fine he'll stop Kessler in 9 or 10. (and I don't mean a joke of a stoppage I mean a proper one!)

I'll be completely shocked if Calzaghe is able to stop Kessler. Calzaghe hit Lacy with everything he had for 12 rounds and couldn't stop him. Kessler is a much better defensive fighter and won't just stand in front of Joe and let him get off 4 and 5 punch combos.

[Boro chris]

oh you must have missed his ******* then about knowing floyds secret to success against hatton but not being able to reveal it to us.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Maybe I should take him off ignore then!
As if Floyd needs a secret weapon ffs!
You know when in all likelyhood Mayweather beats Hatton all these juveinile Floyd huggers are gonna flood the site and say "I told you so!"
Well duh!:patsch

[Boro chris]

I'll be completely shocked if Calzaghe is able to stop Kessler. Calzaghe hit Lacy with everything he had for 12 rounds and couldn't stop him. Kessler is a much better defensive fighter and won't just stand in front of Joe and let him get off 4 and 5 punch combos.

He will if Joe traps him on the ropes. If Kessler wants to win then he's gotta avoid them like Hare Krishnas at the airport!

[nrgetic]

The fact is that most people posting in this thread are right. This fight will by either

a. Calzaghe's hand speed and angles creating problems for Kessler messing with this rhythm. Everything for Kessler works off the jab and Calzaghe's movement to punch from the side could result in a easy and embarrassingly wide points win for Calzaghe
b. Calzaghe tries that bullshit slapping standing square to a hard puncher and gets drilled and then is very tentative for the rest of the fight trying to fight a technical fight ie Kesslers fight and just isn't as good as Kessler in that regard

On balance I see Kessler winning but the fact is this is a great fight that could go either way.

PS. Beating Lacy and Manfredo doesn't not compensate for the inummerable crappy performances Calzaghe has put in over the recent years and hand injuries and marital problems can't explain away all thing. I think Kessler is the real deal

[ThePlugInBabies]

kessler KO1.

[boxfan99]

how do you come to the hometown robbery conclusion? when was the last time calzaghe got a gift decision?

I'll answer your question first:
Never.

Now answer mine:
When was the last time this much 'future money' was at stake (outside HW perhaps) for Calzaghe and especially ******?

[THN]

we don't really know what kesslers heart is really like because no one has really made him dig deep which is a great compliment to the guy.he will be severely tested in this fight by a fighter with a style he hasn't remotely faced.if he comes through then he will deserve all the plaudits he gets.
Thats why this fight is so exiting:bbb :D

[ThePlugInBabies]

I'll answer your question first:
Never.

Now answer mine:
When was the last time this much 'future money' was at stake (outside HW perhaps) for Calzaghe and especially ******?

never, more than likely. your paranoia confuses me though.

[boxfan99]

Kessler is gonna get the shock of his life on Nov 3rd.

Calzaghe's power is way underestimated. If both his hands are fine he'll stop Kessler in 9 or 10. (and I don't mean a joke of a stoppage I mean a proper one!)

And if Joe doesn't stop Kessler, it just has to be because his hands weren't alright, because it is simply unthinkable that Joe should not be able to stop a guy that has never been stopped in the amateurs and pros before, right?:roll:

[boxfan99]

this is a tough assignment for calzaghe no doubt.from what i've seen kessler is technically sound,a big strong intimidating prescence.they reckon he's hardly lost a round in his whole career and he obvously hasn't been hit much by most of his opponents so far.watching him though i've just got the feeling he doesn't like to be hit(i know who does)sometimes when landing his blows he already seems to be in the process of getting out of there quick,and normally in a straight line.the thing is he will be hit by calzaghe of that there is no doubt,and despite what people say on here especially in the ist half of fights calzaghe has good power.we don't really know what kesslers heart is really like because no one has really made him dig deep which is a great compliment to the guy.he will be severely tested in this fight by a fighter with a style he hasn't remotely faced.if he comes through then he will deserve all the plaudits he gets.

Getting knocked down in the first round by an older guy at the age of 18/19 in his first ever senior competition and then coming back to KO that guy shows some heart/determination/courage in my eyes.

Have you ever thought of how Joe will react if he feels he is losing the fight after let's say 5-7 rounds? We don't really know how Joe will cope with that feeling considering his extreme fear of losing. Perhaps it will just push him even harder or parhaps it will make him crumble. Remember the guy has had a couple of small mental breakdowns up to fights...

[boxfan99]

never, more than likely. your paranoia confuses me though.

Paranoia? Do you trust ******?

[ThePlugInBabies]

Paranoia? Do you trust ******?

he's a tosser who thinks he's 'pwopa gangster', and gets his fighters bad fights on the whole in order to squeeze every last penny. but i feel looking to bribe/influence the judges may be a little harsh really, if there were to be any 'hometown' decision i would put it down to the crowd influencing the judges rather than the 'evil' ******.

on another note, do you trust palle? more importantly, do you trust kessler to get the job done?

[boxfan99]

Look mate I put this joker on ignore for a reason but if you quote him I can't help but read his posts.:lol:

:lol:

[boxfan99]

I'll be completely shocked if Calzaghe is able to stop Kessler. Calzaghe hit Lacy with everything he had for 12 rounds and couldn't stop him. Kessler is a much better defensive fighter and won't just stand in front of Joe and let him get off 4 and 5 punch combos.

:good

And Kessler has a pretty decent chin himself.

[HolgerD]

Wow, with a gameplan like that, how can he fail?

As for Kesslers tactics he said repeatedly that he's not going to give anything away before the fight. Did you hear Calzaghe reveal anything?:-(

[boxfan99]

he's a tosser who thinks he's 'pwopa gangster', and gets his fighters bad fights on the whole in order to squeeze every last penny. but i feel looking to bribe/influence the judges may be a little harsh really, if there were to be any 'hometown' decision i would put it down to the crowd influencing the judges rather than the 'evil' ******.

on another note, do you trust palle? more importantly, do you trust kessler to get the job done?

I don't trust Palle, but the fact is he doesn't have the money to influence big fights the right places, if he could I think he would though. Hope that ansers your question regarding Palle.

I think Joe will do everything he can to get the fight to the cards (where he will be safe;) ), so if Calzaghe comes to play it safe then Kessler won't be able to stop him I'm afraid. Do you think Kessler has to stop Joe to deserve a win?

[sean]

I don't trust Palle, but the fact is he doesn't have the money to influence big fights the right places, if he could I think he would though. Hope that ansers your question regarding Palle.

I think Joe will do everything he can to get the fight to the cards (where he will be safe;) ), so if Calzaghe comes to play it safe then Kessler won't be able to stop him I'm afraid. Do you think Kessler has to stop Joe to deserve a win?

imo no
just win 7 rounds quite clearly.

not going to be easy because the noise level will be up and close rounds IMO will go to calzaghe because of his home advantage swaying the judges.

fighting at home is worth 2 points in a close fight

[ThePlugInBabies]

I don't trust Palle, but the fact is he doesn't have the money to influence big fights the right places, if he could I think he would though. Hope that ansers your question regarding Palle.

I think Joe will do everything he can to get the fight to the cards (where he will be safe;) ), so if Calzaghe comes to play it safe then Kessler won't be able to stop him I'm afraid. Do you think Kessler has to stop Joe to deserve a win?

to deserve a win??? of course not.

to get the win??? possibly, calzaghe, in front of his own fans, the way he fights (throwing loads of flurries, gets the fans excited, influences the judges, makes him look busy)

[Clearly Cool]

An earlier poster commented on how Kessler rarly KO's people. In that he doesn;t just smash a guy unconcious like many popular KO punchers. This is true, but its also true that he never really fires up and goes for the kill like many KO punchers do.

This could be either a great skill or his potential downfall. He seems content on dominating a boxer with the jab, right hand and occasional combination, without really changing gears. It seems that he he just lands enough consistant SOLID shots that make his opponent go into their shell and fight very passivly. Whenever the opponent steps it up, he matches it, until they settle back into his fight.

From what ive seen Calzaghe is the complete opposite, he fires up to top gear early and frequently (from the fights ive seen), and really lets his hands go. Typically overwhelming his opponents with volume and combinations.

Its like a match between a cool, calm professional and a passionate, energetic animal. I havent looked foward to a fight this much in ages.

:bbb

[boxfan99]

to deserve a win??? of course not.

to get the win??? possibly, calzaghe, in front of his own fans, the way he fights (throwing loads of flurries, gets the fans excited, influences the judges, makes him look busy)

I agree, unfortunately there are very few judges that are professional enough to judge a fight without being influenced by other things than the fight itself.
There are too little demands put on judges if you ask me. How often don't we experience a judge who scores a fight completely wrong/unfair for a local favourite? Such judges should have their license revoked immediately so we could get rid of all those shitty hometown decisions. They are getting paid to judge a fight, it is their job, and they should do that job correctly in a neutral fashion.

[boxfan99]

imo no
just win 7 rounds quite clearly.

not going to be easy because the noise level will be up and close rounds IMO will go to calzaghe because of his home advantage swaying the judges.

fighting at home is worth 2 points in a close fight

He should have to win 7 rounds final. No more no less.

But I can see what you are saying and unfortunately it is true.

[ThePlugInBabies]

imo this fight rests massively on kesslers jab. if he gets it going then calzaghe will have to dig deeper than ever before to pull this one out.

if calzaghe negates kesslers jab then i see a fairly brutal beating for the dane.

kessler has to work off the jab, he's not just going to be unloading rights out of nowhere a la robin reid.

[Clearly Cool]

Kessler has to work off the jab, he's not just going to be unloading rights out of nowhere a la robin reid.

Ive heard this a lot on these boards, and whilst I do agree to an extent, I think kessler has shown he has a pretty good right lead at times.

What brings you to that conclusion?

[ThePlugInBabies]

Ive heard this a lot on these boards, and whilst I do agree to an extent, I think kessler has shown he has a pretty good right lead at times.

What brings you to that conclusion?

because having a 'pretty good lead right at times' is not going to be enough to win a fight like this, unless joe suffers heart failure in the middle of the ring.

kessler has to be at his absolute 100% peak, and that includes the jab which sets up his better shots with the right.

[boxfan99]

Kessler and Palle couldn't make it profitable in Denmark - that's their own bloody fault, not Joe's. he was willing to travel.

They probably couldn't, but Joe would never have come to Denmark anyway so it doesn't matter. Just wait and see, if Joe should win he'll expect Pavlik to do the travelling too. 'Stay at home Joe' actually has a lot of truth behind it when you start to think about it.:lol:

Think about how many times Joe has said he is willing to travel. Funny how it is always his opponents that end up doing the travelling part.:yep

[marauder1999]

:blood

The same man that was derailing the pavlik train is now derailing the kessler train? Haha

[PATSYS]

I actually think that Kessler is too stiff to beat Calzaghe. He is just a very orthodox straight up fighter with a good on 1-2 punch. He has good power.

Unfortunately that will not be good enough for the very talented JC. JC just has too many moves and ring smarts.

When JC beats Kessler rather easily, many people will dismiss Kessler as just another overhyped fighter.

[duran83]

"Obviously he's a good fighter, but he's more of a brawler than a real technical fighter," said Kessler. "I don't think he punches hard, he just punches a lot. He's a very awkward fighter and wins by ruining others' styles. But he can't ruin my style. The main thing is to hit Joe and not get hit back - and I'm good at not getting hit. I'll win as I hit a bit straighter, a bit harder and with greater focus."

Good assesment. I couldn't agree more. Kessler is too strong and focused. An aging Calzaghe will not be able to throw him off his game. This is going to be a great fight for Kessler. He's going to show the world what kind of fighter he is by knocking J.C out of the p4p rankings and inserting himself in there in the process. Calzaghe is a great champion who has had a great 10 year run, unfortunately his time will be up come Nov. 3

LMAO

Andrade was teeing off on his chin and he has about as much boxing ability as me, and i have never boxed in my life!!

This will be an easy night for Calzaghe. Kessler is an avarage boxer.

[duran83]

Joe has never went up against anyone with Kessler's level of defense. Combine that with the fact that he doesn't hit very hard and is old, I have Kessler winning.

Kesslers defense hahahahaha!!

He doesnt have one?? Andrade was teeing off on his chin, Calzaghe will totally dominate this guy.

[boxfan99]

Why does it matter if he travels? Why shouldn't Pavlik travel? He's achieved nothing except beating Taylor who was hardly the most lauded of fighters in the world.

Joe is the man to beat - if the bigger money can be earned in the UK, then why not? He has to live after he retires. i have no problem with any boxer fighting wherever they choose - it's only the americans that seem to be so fucking snippy about it.

I don't think Calzaghe has to worry about having enough money to be able to live after he retires so that excuse is getting a bit old.;)
Why is Joe the man? Last I checked Pavlik was the only undisputed champion of the two. It is also Joe who seems eager for the fight so why doesn't he make a sacrifice to make it come through? I wonder which MW he will call out after Pavlik while stating that he will move up in weight after his next fight.:yep

[BigReg]

LMAO

Andrade was teeing off on his chin and he has about as much boxing ability as me, and i have never boxed in my life!!

This will be an easy night for Calzaghe. Kessler is an avarage boxer.

Watch the fight again, Andrade was not teeing off on Kessler. Kessler won every round and was never knocked down or even wobbled in that fight.

[Clearly Cool]

Kesslers defense hahahahaha!!

He doesnt have one?? Andrade was teeing off on his chin, Calzaghe will totally dominate this guy.

Just so you know Kessler is the one with the tatoo covering his whole shoulder. The one that actually landed his punches.

[boxfan99]

LMAO

Andrade was teeing off on his chin and he has about as much boxing ability as me, and i have never boxed in my life!!

This will be an easy night for Calzaghe. Kessler is an avarage boxer.

Stop watching boxing because you obviously don't know anything it.

[boxfan99]

Kesslers defense hahahahaha!!

He doesnt have one?? Andrade was teeing off on his chin, Calzaghe will totally dominate this guy.

This is just as stupid as if I started claiming Bika was giving Calzaghe the beating of a lifetime.:patsch

[English Nutter]

They probably couldn't, but Joe would never have come to Denmark anyway so it doesn't matter. Just wait and see, if Joe should win he'll expect Pavlik to do the travelling too. 'Stay at home Joe' actually has a lot of truth behind it when you start to think about it.:lol:

Think about how many times Joe has said he is willing to travel. Funny how it is always his opponents that end up doing the travelling part.:yepWhen are you yanks gonna get it,none of your fighters ever leave there back yard so why does anyone non-american have to do it?

[English Nutter]

I actually think that Kessler is too stiff to beat Calzaghe. He is just a very orthodox straight up fighter with a good on 1-2 punch. He has good power.

Unfortunately that will not be good enough for the very talented JC. JC just has too many moves and ring smarts.

When JC beats Kessler rather easily, many people will dismiss Kessler as just another overhyped fighter.well said and very true

[marauder1999]

When are you yanks gonna get it,none of your fighters ever leave there back yard so why does anyone non-american have to do it?

Knock off the jibberish.

[PH|LLA]

I know. We've even met bafoon's who don't think RJJ is a top 100 fighter, shocking.:lol:

But at the same time, any old timer that you can name that was even ranked as a contender has a good shot at becoming a top 100 on these people's lists.:lol:
are you trying to lump in those who think Kessler will beat Calzaghe with those who think RJJ is not top100?

[boxfan99]

When are you yanks gonna get it,none of your fighters ever leave there back yard so why does anyone non-american have to do it?

Lacy, Mitchell and Brewer did just to mention a few, and if Pavlik-Calzaghe should have any chance of becoming a reality, then Pavlik will have to leave his back yard too because Calzaghe sure as hell won't. So much for who never leaves their back yard.:lol:

By the way I'm not American, so that is just another thing you are wrong about.;)

[buddynabuick]

Getting knocked down in the first round by an older guy at the age of 18/19 in his first ever senior competition and then coming back to KO that guy shows some heart/determination/courage in my eyes.

Have you ever thought of how Joe will react if he feels he is losing the fight after let's say 5-7 rounds? We don't really know how Joe will cope with that feeling considering his extreme fear of losing. Perhaps it will just push him even harder or parhaps it will make him crumble. Remember the guy has had a couple of small mental breakdowns up to fights...


Yes:good This showed late in the Bika fight when Joe asked his dad "what do I do?". You could here the desperation in his voice. Kess by KO within 5:bbb

[duran83]

Stop watching boxing because you obviously don't know anything it.

We will so november third, When everyone will see how avarage Kessler is.

My point was Kessler was saying he is going to make Calzaghe miss with his masterful defense!!!! hahahahah, thats why i said Andrade was hitting as much as his limited boxing skills let him, Calzaghe will slap this avaerage fighter around the ring for 36 minutes.

[jecxbox]

Kessler doesn't get hit easily? You haven't seen him fight Mundine then
Kessler thinks Calzaghe is more of a brawler? A brawler is someone who takes one or more to land one, no? A brawler is someone who gets stuck into it in the trenches and doesn't bother trying to avoid punches, no? Wonder if Kessler has Calzaghe mixed up with someone else?

Someone else posted that Calzaghe needs footwork and stamina to beat Kessler - guess what? He has both.

Same poster said he can see Calzaghe getting KTFO - when was the last time Kessler KTFO of someone? And who was that opponent? Now compare that opponent to Calzaghe

Calzaghe to win UD.


:good

[MrStayman]

Kesslers defense hahahahaha!!

He doesnt have one?? Andrade was teeing off on his chin, Calzaghe will totally dominate this guy.

Hmmm... :think

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[PH|LLA]

Hmmm... :think

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Thats a big ass nose...

but mine is bigger :yep

[luke1983]

Andrade landed 145 punches in that fight, and is a shit boxer imagine how many Calzaghe will land. hahahahahah

[ron u.k.]

Getting knocked down in the first round by an older guy at the age of 18/19 in his first ever senior competition and then coming back to KO that guy shows some heart/determination/courage in my eyes.

Have you ever thought of how Joe will react if he feels he is losing the fight after let's say 5-7 rounds? We don't really know how Joe will cope with that feeling considering his extreme fear of losing. Perhaps it will just push him even harder or parhaps it will make him crumble. Remember the guy has had a couple of small mental breakdowns up to fights...i'm certainly not questioning kesslers heart,and i've no reason to really believe it's dodgy,but ultimately we don't really know in the proffesional game because of how dominant he's been.as for calzaghe i think over the long years of his career he has had to dig deep at times and we know how he reacted to being decked by mitchell.having to go into the trenches i think isn't a problem for calzaghe.

[Gunnar]

Andrade landed 145 punches in that fight, and is a shit boxer imagine how many Calzaghe will land. hahahahahah
Andrade landed 95 punches.

[yesihavearm]

Hmmm... :think

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I could post a picture of Calzaghe vs Lacy and the stats would be much better for that in Joe's favour, and Lacy is 10x the fighter Andrade is.

I honestly think Lacy vs Kessler would be a good match-up.

[mattress]

If Calzaghe does win, I just hope that we don't get the 'Kessler was shit anyway' routine.

[MrStayman]

I could post a picture of Calzaghe vs Lacy and the stats would be much better for that in Joe's favour, and Lacy is 10x the fighter Andrade is.

I honestly think Lacy vs Kessler would be a good match-up.I was responding to a poster who claimed that Andrade was easily hitting Kessler all night. And Lacy is not 10x the fighter Andrade is. Posts like yours frustrate me. :twisted:

And please do post a picture where Lacy has < 6% punches landed in a round.

[Astola]

An earlier poster commented on how Kessler rarly KO's people. In that he doesn;t just smash a guy unconcious like many popular KO punchers. This is true, but its also true that he never really fires up and goes for the kill like many KO punchers do.

This could be either a great skill or his potential downfall. He seems content on dominating a boxer with the jab, right hand and occasional combination, without really changing gears. It seems that he he just lands enough consistant SOLID shots that make his opponent go into their shell and fight very passivly. Whenever the opponent steps it up, he matches it, until they settle back into his fight.

From what ive seen Calzaghe is the complete opposite, he fires up to top gear early and frequently (from the fights ive seen), and really lets his hands go. Typically overwhelming his opponents with volume and combinations.

Its like a match between a cool, calm professional and a passionate, energetic animal. I havent looked foward to a fight this much in ages.

:bbb

I feel excactly the same!:good

I also see the differences in the entire approach to the game of boxing - stylistically these two are way different!

Both are gents and true ambasadors for the sport though.

Its also the classic matchup between orthodox/southpaw.

A display of true talent on both sides.


BTW - anybody know who the judges might be?

[IrnBruMan]

He said he was more of a brawler than a real technical fighter. Meaning that if you take the attributes of a typical brawler and the attributes of a typical technical fighter and you compared them to the attributes that Calzaghe posseses, then you would see that Calzaghe's style more closely resembles a brawler rather than a technical fighter.

Crap - just because Calzaghe is unconventional doesn't mean he isn't a technical fighter.

He uses excellent foot and hand speed to get in and out, landing a lot of punches, without getting hit back. Does that sound more like a brawler or a technical fighter?

And you didn't reply to my comment on the 'doesn't get hit easily' part - I assume you haven't seen the Mundine fight then.

[IrnBruMan]

It was his next to last opponent - the three time WBC world champion Beyer.;) No, he doesn´'t compare to Calzaghe but who does? That doesn't mean that Calzaghe can't get stopped, everybody can get stopped.:roll:

I don't disgree with your statement that anyone can get stopped.

I was replying to someone who said he can see Calzaghe getting KTFO by Kessler, which I find highly unlikely, due to the reasons I posted.

Rarely do you see anyone get stopped or KTFO in fights like these, where the best are fighting each other.

[IrnBruMan]

Yeah I thought it was pretty funny. Good to see that a ratio of something like 176:10 resulted. Calzaghe will over whelm Kessler eventually with his superior combination punching in close quarters. I think at times it will be a very technical fight, and a close one, but eventually the experience and versatility of Calzaghe will pull through. Calzaghe not only has quick hands, but is very quick on his feet, which I think will be detrimental in closing the distance on Kessler. Considering that his biggest weapon is his jab, I think Kess may find it hard to land provided Joe keeps that lead hand high. Southpaws are traditionally very hard to establish a good jab against, particular a good technician like Joe.

good analysis...gee, Calzaghe's sounding more and more like a technician now huh? :lol:

[IrnBruMan]

this is a tough assignment for calzaghe no doubt.from what i've seen kessler is technically sound,a big strong intimidating prescence.they reckon he's hardly lost a round in his whole career and he obvously hasn't been hit much by most of his opponents so far.watching him though i've just got the feeling he doesn't like to be hit(i know who does)sometimes when landing his blows he already seems to be in the process of getting out of there quick,and normally in a straight line.the thing is he will be hit by calzaghe of that there is no doubt,and despite what people say on here especially in the ist half of fights calzaghe has good power.we don't really know what kesslers heart is really like because no one has really made him dig deep which is a great compliment to the guy.he will be severely tested in this fight by a fighter with a style he hasn't remotely faced.if he comes through then he will deserve all the plaudits he gets.

agreed - Kessler tends to drop his hands and move straight backwards when his opponent starts throwing combos/counterpunching him - he did it a lot against Mundine, and it is a common theme in the other fights of his I've seen.

He is in a sense, one-dimensional when it comes to footwork, compared to Calzaghe.

BTW - I know Kessler is a big lad, but Calzaghe isn't that small either - I don't think size or strength is going to be an issue in this fight - speed and dexterity will be the key.

[IrnBruMan]

I don't think Calzaghe has to worry about having enough money to be able to live after he retires so that excuse is getting a bit old.;)
Why is Joe the man? Last I checked Pavlik was the only undisputed champion of the two. It is also Joe who seems eager for the fight so why doesn't he make a sacrifice to make it come through? I wonder which MW he will call out after Pavlik while stating that he will move up in weight after his next fight.:yep

Well, considering that a Calzaghe vs Pavilik fight is only likely after Calzaghe fights and beats Kessler, making him the undisputed SMW champ, your point that Pavlik is the only undisputed champ is moot.

[boxfan99]

Well, considering that a Calzaghe vs Pavilik fight is only likely after Calzaghe fights and beats Kessler, making him the undisputed SMW champ, your point that Pavlik is the only undisputed champ is moot.

The winner of Calzaghe-Kessler won't be the undisputed champion. You can thank Calzaghe for that.

[IrnBruMan]

The winner of Calzaghe-Kessler won't be the undisputed champion. You can thank Calzaghe for that.

The winner of Calzaghe vs kessler will be The Ring/linear champ at SMW. Just because the IBF belt isn't on the line doesn't mean the winner won't be undisputed. This fight is to determine the #1 at SMW.

[Pimp C]

Calzaghe by UD. Calzaghe's workrate and experience will see him through in this fight.

[boxfan99]

The winner of Calzaghe vs kessler will be The Ring/linear champ at SMW.
Correct.

Just because the IBF belt isn't on the line doesn't mean the winner won't be undisputed.
Incorrect.

This fight is to determine the #1 at SMW.
Correct.

You are mostly right.

[IrnBruMan]

Calzaghe by UD. Calzaghe's workrate and experience will see him through in this fight.

fuck off bandwagon jumper :finger

[PrideOfWales]

I am looking forward to this fight

[Toopretty]

My take is this. If kessler gets his back on the ropes. The HOME town ref will stop the fight as soon as they possibly can. Calzaghe will not look to box Kessler in the middle of the ring and if Calzaghe does he may just get caught. Calzaghe has tricky off beat movement and he can throw punches from odd angles with both hands. But to throw off his erky jerky style Kessler has a robotic 1,2 and he has good accuracy and quick release with his right hand. If he can land that punch he will hurt Calzaghe. If he cant Calzaghe will probably stop him by a bullshit ref stoppage A LA Manfredo sauce fight.

[PrideOfWales]

My take is this. If kessler gets his back on the ropes. The HOME town ref will stop the fight as soon as they possibly can. Calzaghe will not look to box Kessler in the middle of the ring and if Calzaghe does he may just get caught. Calzaghe has tricky off beat movement and he can throw punches from odd angles with both hands. But to throw off his erky jerky style Kessler has a robotic 1,2 and he has good accuracy and quick release with his right hand. If he can land that punch he will hurt Calzaghe. If he cant Calzaghe will probably stop him by a bullshit ref stoppage A LA Manfredo sauce fight.

I'd be surprised if any of the above happened

[Toopretty]

I'd be surprised if any of the above happened

Well anybody that actually looked at past Calzaghe fights notice an influx of ref stoppages with him barraging punches against a slightly hurt but not out guy.

[Amsterdam]

Well anybody that actually looked at past Calzaghe fights notice an influx of ref stoppages with him barraging punches against a slightly hurt but not out guy.

Only happened against Manfredo. Byron Mitchell had been eaten alive and was out on his feet absorbing a lot of combinations.

[boxfan99]

Only happened against Manfredo. Byron Mitchell had been eaten alive and was out on his feet absorbing a lot of combinations.

Still the Mitchell fight should not have been stopped when it was.

[Amsterdam]

Still the Mitchell fight should not have been stopped when it was.

I disagree, Mitchell was literally out and only held up by the ropes. Why should he take any more damage?

They didn't complain, nor should they have. You have a guy who's out on his feet and can no longer defend himself correctly against a guy who's landing fast combo's at will.

Mitchell was very lucky to make it out of the onslaught he recieved in the first, wasn't anywhere near being stopped from a ref's point of view, but he surely ate a massive amount of leather and was tossed around like a ragdoll. Had Calzaghe laid it on him 30 seconds sooner, it's likely Mitchell would have legitimately been finished in the first.

[IrnBruMan]

My take is this. If kessler gets his back on the ropes. The HOME town ref will stop the fight as soon as they possibly can. Calzaghe will not look to box Kessler in the middle of the ring and if Calzaghe does he may just get caught. Calzaghe has tricky off beat movement and he can throw punches from odd angles with both hands. But to throw off his erky jerky style Kessler has a robotic 1,2 and he has good accuracy and quick release with his right hand. If he can land that punch he will hurt Calzaghe. If he cant Calzaghe will probably stop him by a bullshit ref stoppage A LA Manfredo sauce fight.

fuck off bandwagon jumper :finger

I wish you Floyd Toy Boyz would just stick to Mayweather threads

[mattress]

Still the Mitchell fight should not have been stopped when it was.

utter bollocks. the man was taking serious punishment and would have got badly hurt if the fight was allowed to continue.

[Maxime]

Facts are:

- Kessler has never fought anyone as good as Calzaghe.

- Calzaghe has never fought anyone as good as Kessler.

/tread

[jammerdk]

Facts are:

- Kessler has never fought anyone as good as Calzaghe.

- Calzaghe has never fought anyone as good as Kessler.

/tread:good

[ThePlugInBabies]

kessler by brutal one sided beatdown, with enzo throwing the towel in for his aging son.

calzaghe retires a fraud.

[PeterNielsen70]

kessler by brutal one sided beatdown, with enzo throwing the towel in for his aging son.

calzaghe retires a fraud.

I had a feeling that eventually you would come to your senses. :bbb

[Astola]

This is the same thread from 6 months ago.

Yup - but in the week up to the fight its allowed to rephrase some of the old arguments. But for now it feels like the threadmill.

[Laydown]

This is the same thread from 6 months ago.

No - Deram started it 2 years ago...after Kesslers Mundine-fight

[ThePlugInBabies]

I had a feeling that eventually you would come to your senses. :bbb

brian nielsen KO1 'prime' lennox lewis

[luke1983]

Andrade landed 95 punches.

Go check again my friend official puch stats say 145.

[Max Molyneux]

Facts are:



- Calzaghe has never fought anyone as good as Kessler.

/tread

Thats debatle.:yep

[PrideOfWales]

FACT: Kessler hasn't fought anyone nearly as good as Calzaghe

FACT: We only have a vague idea how good Kessler is

[Korn_06]

No - Deram started it 2 years ago...after Kesslers Mundine-fight

What happened to Deram anyway?

[PrideOfWales]

What happened to Deram anyway?

He morphed into Peter_Nielsen

[HolgerD]

FACT: Kessler hasn't fought anyone nearly as good as Calzaghe

FACT: We only have a vague idea how good Kessler is


And still the JC fans favour their guy in millions and millions of posts.:huh

[THN]

And still the JC fans favour their guy in millions and millions of posts.:huh

:D :good

[ThePlugInBabies]

kessler by earth shattering KO1 with the first punch he lands.

[Rollo]

What happened to Deram anyway?


I think he was banned.

[Half-Dane]

If Kessler looses, I'll sign off and never come back. If the ref pulls off another premature stoppage like Manfredo (I'm convinced he would have been stopped later but give the fight a chance) I'll kill the ref

Kessler TKO 10

[ThePlugInBabies]

If Kessler looses, I'll sign off and never come back. If the ref pulls off another premature stoppage like Manfredo (I'm convinced he would have been stopped later but give the fight a chance) I'll kill the ref

Kessler TKO 10

what's your other half?

....and is kessler going to go ahead with that stupid idea of having the danish flag on one half of his shorts and the flag of st. george on the other?

[Half-Dane]

what's your other half?

....and is kessler going to go ahead with that stupid idea of having the danish flag on one half of his shorts and the flag of st. george on the other?Turkish and I think he's going with Dannebrog/Union Jack

[ThePlugInBabies]

Turkish and I think he's going with Dannebrog/Union Jack

:think makes more sense. don't wanna go out in front of a 60,000 crowd, the majority welsh, with an english flag on your trunks.

[Laydown]

No - only the danish flag

[ron u.k.]

My take is this. If kessler gets his back on the ropes. The HOME town ref will stop the fight as soon as they possibly can. Calzaghe will not look to box Kessler in the middle of the ring and if Calzaghe does he may just get caught. Calzaghe has tricky off beat movement and he can throw punches from odd angles with both hands. But to throw off his erky jerky style Kessler has a robotic 1,2 and he has good accuracy and quick release with his right hand. If he can land that punch he will hurt Calzaghe. If he cant Calzaghe will probably stop him by a bullshit ref stoppage A LA Manfredo sauce fight.my word.the excuses are allready in!