View Full Version : What did you guys watch last night?
The Man 247
06-27-2007, 09:16 PM
Are you guys fkn serious? I thought Nievas was impressive last night and anyone who called him a bumb, please shut up and never advise me again because he was anything but that. I have seen Calzaghe struggle against a lot worse fighters than Nievas. Credit must go to him and credit must go to those who called him a bumb to shut up and never talk again cause the guy could fight. Overall a good workout for Mundine, he showed his speed in the opening rounds and landed a few large bombs, but the guy had a rock head, he wasn't gonna go down if a truck drove over him. Mundine was only iffy in the 5th when he took the punishment nievas was dishing out. I was a bit worried then but he recovered and won well. Winning every round according to the judges, not much more than you can ask for against a guy with a brick for a head.
So :
- Those who said Nievas is a bumb, don't advise me anymore. The guy would have gone the distance with Joe Calzaghe, im confident of that.
- Mundine won nearly every round can't ask much more than that.
- 3rdly Khoder said he is raring to fight the winner of kessler/calzaghe. Khoder thinks it may not eventuate that fight though.
So all in all a good night for Mundine. Some of you guys need to have a good look at yourselves, especially those calling Nievas a bum because he was anything but that. Also I have to admit the undercard was a disgrace, but i thought Mundine fought well and so did his opponent.
04eta
06-27-2007, 09:19 PM
Neivas is a bumb. He had no chance of winning the fight. He barely landed a decent shot on mundine all night apart from some big looping haymakers.
Neivas wouldn't even be in the top 5 smw in australia so he is a bum.
I will admit that he was very tough though but has limited skills.
The Man 247
06-27-2007, 09:21 PM
Neivas is a bumb. He had no chance of winning the fight. He barely landed a decent shot on mundine all night apart from some big looping haymakers.
Neivas wouldn't even be in the top 5 smw in australia so he is a bum.
I will admit that he was very tough though but has limited skills.
I think you can call him a bumb in technical sense. But hes a brawler and Mundine coped well. A good win by Mundine. Worried about his bicep though. You could see it unhinged to his upper arm in the interview and he could be out for months.
04eta
06-27-2007, 09:24 PM
I think you can call him a bumb in technical sense. But hes a brawler and Mundine coped well. A good win by Mundine. Worried about his bicep though. You could see it unhinged to his upper arm in the interview and he could be out for months.
Mundine didn't cope well when pressure was applied. He needed to be able ot counter punch and punch off the ropes. If Kessler applied that sort of pressure and mundine fought the way he did tonight it would be a very short fight.
deram
06-27-2007, 09:30 PM
Mundine didn't cope well when pressure was applied. He needed to be able ot counter punch and punch off the ropes. If Kessler applied that sort of pressure and mundine fought the way he did tonight it would be a very short fight.
Yes, but I have a suspicion that Mundine is taking these in between fight as an easy way to earn money without really having to focus or spar or anything. May sound smart, but considering his age, I don't think it is. No time for that imo.
The Man 247
06-27-2007, 09:33 PM
I think hes doing it to keep fight in before a big fight. I hope he does Winky or Hopkins next
Please tell me you are kidding. NAME ONE JOE CALZAGHE FIGHT OF HIS 20 DEFENSES THAT IS A WORSE FIGHTER THEN NEIVAS!!! Calzaghe would have annihilated Neivas. He had NEVER FOUGHT PAST 6 rounds before. It was a joke that this was even sanctioned. He drew with Acostas. He is junk. Sorry to shatter your dreams but Mundine fought poorly lst night and deserves to be criticized over his performance.
Yea...well thats another problem with these kinds of fights are that he can't prepare for them as his opponent is pretty much a completete unknown. He is expected to knock these guys out and anything less, it doesn't look so good for him.
Mundine still dominated that fight though and did everything except knock the guy out and that was not through lack of clean punches because he landed plenty. Hopefully he takes on a more known opponent next up and fight often as he says he want to.
04eta
06-27-2007, 09:38 PM
Yea...well thats another problem with these kinds of fights are that he can't prepare for them as his opponent is pretty much a completete unknown. He is expected to knock these guys out and anything less, it doesn't look so good for him.
Mundine still dominated that fight though and did everything except knock the guy out and that was not through lack of clean punches because he landed plenty. Hopefully he takes on a more known opponent next up and fight often as he says he want to.
Just because he dominated doesn't mean he fought well. Les Sherington could probably dominate neivas!
The Man 247
06-27-2007, 09:38 PM
Please tell me you are kidding. NAME ONE JOE CALZAGHE FIGHT OF HIS 20 DEFENSES THAT IS A WORSE FIGHTER THEN NEIVAS!!! Calzaghe would have annihilated Neivas. He had NEVER FOUGHT PAST 6 rounds before. It was a joke that this was even sanctioned. He drew with Acostas. He is junk. Sorry to shatter your dreams but Mundine fought poorly lst night and deserves to be criticized over his performance.
Have you even watched any of Joes defenses over the past 4 years. I think there is a handful . Go through them all and tell me why they are better than Nievas than if your so confident of that.
The Man 247
06-27-2007, 09:39 PM
You guys all need a reality check seriously. Or your seriously dillusional , on weed or something. Hats of too nievas once again. I am positive Calzaghe would not have finished him.
boxfan99
06-27-2007, 09:42 PM
Are you guys fkn serious? I thought Nievas was impressive last night and anyone who called him a bumb, please shut up and never advise me again because he was anything but that. I have seen Calzaghe struggle against a lot worse fighters than Nievas. Credit must go to him and credit must go to those who called him a bumb to shut up and never talk again cause the guy could fight. Overall a good workout for Mundine, he showed his speed in the opening rounds and landed a few large bombs, but the guy had a rock head, he wasn't gonna go down if a truck drove over him. Mundine was only iffy in the 5th when he took the punishment nievas was dishing out. I was a bit worried then but he recovered and won well. Winning every round according to the judges, not much more than you can ask for against a guy with a brick for a head.
So :
- Those who said Nievas is a bumb, don't advise me anymore. The guy would have gone the distance with Joe Calzaghe, im confident of that.
- Mundine won nearly every round can't ask much more than that.
- 3rdly Khoder said he is raring to fight the winner of kessler/calzaghe. Khoder thinks it may not eventuate that fight though.
So all in all a good night for Mundine. Some of you guys need to have a good look at yourselves, especially those calling Nievas a bum because he was anything but that. Also I have to admit the undercard was a disgrace, but i thought Mundine fought well and so did his opponent.
First, what is a bumb and who called him that?:huh
Second, all those guys who previously have sent Nievas to a count must be the strongest guys ever, considering there should more than a truck to bring him down according to you.:lol:
Third, Calzaghes poor opposition suddenly looks like elite compared to Nievas.
Fourth, try to take a look at yourself in the mirror and make sure your tongue is not attached to Mundines ass.
Fifth, oh why do I bother your post is laughable.
Just because he dominated doesn't mean he fought well. Les Sherington could probably dominate neivas!
Les who?
BTW I don't think he fought well but he got the job done against an unknown. I'm glad people hold him in such high regards that they expect him to blow through all of his opposition.
boxfan99
06-27-2007, 09:44 PM
I think hes doing it to keep fight in before a big fight. I hope he does Winky or Hopkins next
Keep dreaming.:lol:
You guys all need a reality check seriously. Or your seriously dillusional , on weed or something. Hats of too nievas once again. I am positive Calzaghe would not have finished him.
hey fuckface look at the facts Jc undeafeated has beaten a real world title holder beaten all who have come before him no1 in the division.
Fuck JC dominated Lacy who could fart and knock Niveas out.
Mundine beaten by Siaca Ottke and Kessler has not beaten a world title holder is a 2 time interim champ and any of his tomato cans rank much lower than anyone JC has fought.:hi: \
So before u comment about how u think JC would fare against certain oppostion wipe the nutsauce from your mouth and look at the FACTS
04eta
06-27-2007, 09:48 PM
You guys all need a reality check seriously. Or your seriously dillusional , on weed or something. Hats of too nievas once again. I am positive Calzaghe would not have finished him.
Calzaghe was ridiculed for fighting Bika.......and Mundine fights someone like Neivas
boxfan99
06-27-2007, 09:48 PM
Have you even watched any of Joes defenses over the past 4 years. I think there is a handful . Go through them all and tell me why they are better than Nievas than if your so confident of that.
You can't be serious.:shock: Please, mention two of Calzaghes last lets say 6 opponents that Nievas could beat.
boxfan99
06-27-2007, 09:50 PM
You guys all need a reality check seriously. Or your seriously dillusional , on weed or something. Hats of too nievas once again. I am positive Calzaghe would not have finished him.
:lol:
You are taking about being dillusional.:rofl
Have you even watched any of Joes defenses over the past 4 years. I think there is a handful . Go through them all and tell me why they are better than Nievas than if your so confident of that.
I asked first mate. Every single one of his defenses is better then Neivas. I am not going to explain every one for you. You answer me with 1 fighter that is worse then Neivas. Just 1 that is all I want.
IrnBruMan
06-27-2007, 09:57 PM
I asked first mate. Every single one of his defenses is better then Neivas. I am not going to explain every one for you. You answer me with 1 fighter that is worse then Neivas. Just 1 that is all I want.
<crickets chirping>
Les who?
BTW I don't think he fought well but he got the job done against an unknown. I'm glad people hold him in such high regards that they expect him to blow through all of his opposition.
Danny Green would have knocked this guy out in 4 rounds. Les Sherrington would have beaten this guy for whoever said it. Mundine put in a poor performance. When you can't even string together a basic combination against a guy who has never been past 6 rounds, and has POOR defense and is standing right in front of you that is poor. The fight was a joke.
<crickets chirping>
hahaha.... I am just patiently waiting. This will be interesting. I get the feeling boxrec is getting a thorough work out right now.
Here mate I will point you in the right direction. Go to "[Only registered and activated users can see links]". Then look up Joe Calzaghe in the search by name. That will have all of his defenses. Now all you have to do is pick 1 that you think is worse.
Dr Gonzo
06-27-2007, 10:14 PM
You guys all need a reality check seriously. Or your seriously dillusional , on weed or something. Hats of too nievas once again. I am positive Calzaghe would not have finished him.
your on crack - calzaghe by ko in less than 3
Danny Green would have knocked this guy out in 4 rounds. Les Sherrington would have beaten this guy for whoever said it. Mundine put in a poor performance. When you can't even string together a basic combination against a guy who has never been past 6 rounds, and has POOR defense and is standing right in front of you that is poor. The fight was a joke.
Yea but Mundine UD Green.
Also Lacy would have killed this guy. But Mundine UD Lacy too. :yep
Oh and if you're looking for a Calzaghe opponent that is worse than Nievas just take a look at his 1st defence. Mundine whip Calzaghe as well. :thumbsup
boxfan99
06-27-2007, 10:17 PM
Yea but Mundine UD Green.
Also Lacy would have killed this guy. But Mundine UD Lacy too. :yep
Oh and if you're looking for a Calzaghe opponent that is worse than Nievas just take a look at his 1st defence. Mundine whip Calzaghe as well. :thumbsup
Who doesn't Mundine whip?
Who doesn't Mundine whip?
168 and down is Mundines' to rule. :good
Yea but Mundine UD Green.
Also Lacy would have killed this guy. But Mundine UD Lacy too. :yep
Oh and if you're looking for a Calzaghe opponent that is worse than Nievas just take a look at his 1st defence. Mundine whip Calzaghe as well. :thumbsup
Even that is debatable. They are at the same level really (first defence each). The difference is that JC KO'd his opponent in 3, where as Choc went the distance. JC would beat Mundine hands down. If Choc fights like last night Lacy would beat him too. Lacy isn't the shot fighter that everyone is making out. People who came out and said that Choc could KO Lacy are absolutely dreaming.
Dr Gonzo
06-27-2007, 10:27 PM
Even that is debatable. They are at the same level really (first defence each). The difference is that JC KO'd his opponent in 3, where as Choc went the distance. JC would beat Mundine hands down. If Choc fights like last night Lacy would beat him too. Lacy isn't the shot fighter that everyone is making out. People who came out and said that Choc could KO Lacy are absolutely dreaming.
i rate lacy - he has his problems sure but the guy has a ton of power and knows how to cut the ring off; 9 time out of 10 he beats mundine and it wouldnt surprise me if it was a ko. His last fight didnt go so well for him but he was fighting with a rooted shoulder and vitali tsypko is def not a bum imo
boxfan99
06-27-2007, 10:28 PM
168 and down is Mundines' to rule. :good
Of course it is. How stupid of me, I forgot for a moment that Mundine has become a new man since his last defeat.:oops:
Kegsy
06-27-2007, 10:40 PM
Here mate I will point you in the right direction. Go to "[Only registered and activated users can see links]". Then look up Joe Calzaghe in the search by name. That will have all of his defenses. Now all you have to do is pick 1 that you think is worse.
:rofl:rofl
Even that is debatable. They are at the same level really (first defence each). The difference is that JC KO'd his opponent in 3, where as Choc went the distance. JC would beat Mundine hands down. If Choc fights like last night Lacy would beat him too. Lacy isn't the shot fighter that everyone is making out. People who came out and said that Choc could KO Lacy are absolutely dreaming.
Not debatable at all even Acosta is better than that guy. But you wanted to name a fighter. If your only as good as your last fight then yes, even the Mundine of last night would whip on Lacy.
Not debatable at all even Acosta is better than that guy. But you wanted to name a fighter. If your only as good as your last fight then yes, even the Mundine of last night would whip on Lacy.
You have no way of proving that. They are both bums however that is for certain.
planetzion
06-27-2007, 11:05 PM
Yes, but I have a suspicion that Mundine is taking these in between fight as an easy way to earn money without really having to focus or spar or anything. May sound smart, but considering his age, I don't think it is. No time for that imo.
I think it was a very smart fight take it keeps hims busy whilst trying to negotiate the big fights ....and ps how do you know that he is not focussing or sparing????:huh :huh
He isn't preparing like he would for a Green or Soliman but I'd say that he would still be training pretty hard.
You have no way of proving that. They are both bums however that is for certain.
Well you have no way of proving that Nievas is any worse than ANY of Calzaghes' opponent. :nut
Well you have no way of proving that Nievas is any worse than ANY of Calzaghes' opponent. :nut
Yes I do you clown. Neivas is worse then his other opponents based on their achievements in their career. Neivas has achieved nothing. Take even a crap opponent like Peter Manfredo for instance. Manfredo knocked out Pemberton, a former world champion, and a top 10 fighter in the SMW division. How many former world champions has Nevias KO'd???
PorkChopExpress
06-27-2007, 11:22 PM
Guys, just face it, on both accounts...
Mundine wouldn't have treated this as a fight of any real consquence. He would have trained and done the rounds but not to the extent of a big fight.
He got some rounds under his belt against a tough cookie to crack... albeit a lame one that don't taste as good as a double choc chip with whipped cream and strawberries cookie, but it was still tough to crack... that being said, he definitely damn well should have knocked this guy right the fuck out.
He had a busted arm. I don't care what you say, I've seen it now (though not when it appeared, just post fight) and it was no 'dead arm' that's an injury imo... atleast for the duration of the fight where you use that arm they way Mundine does it would certainly play an effect on combination punching and counter punching Roy... (anyone know when he did it??)
He needs to fight ONLY legitimate top 15 (I say top 10 but he said top 15 so I guess that's what to expect... though it's Mundine so that could mean top 150) opponents or he might aswell start fighting Friday nights on Fox Sports...
He's on thin ice and if he doesn't challenge himself regularly, he will forever be known as a farce.
Manfredo is Jr Middleweight. It's all good for Calzaghe to whip on Manfredo and get a name on his resume, but he's struggled with lesser known fighters but it don't make them any worse than Manfredo, it actually makes em look better. Manfredo was blown out of the water.
Yea but Mundine UD Green.
Also Lacy would have killed this guy. But Mundine UD Lacy too. :yep
Oh and if you're looking for a Calzaghe opponent that is worse than Nievas just take a look at his 1st defence. Mundine whip Calzaghe as well. :thumbsup
But mundine UD Lacy too ???????? WTF are u nostradamus or somethin i didint know nuthugging had evolved to predicting the future :patsch
Guys, just face it, on both accounts...
Mundine wouldn't have treated this as a fight of any real consquence. He would have trained and done the rounds but not to the extent of a big fight.
He got some rounds under his belt against a tough cookie to crack... albeit a lame one that don't taste as good as a double choc chip with whipped cream and strawberries cookie, but it was still tough to crack... that being said, he definitely damn well should have knocked this guy right the fuck out.
He had a busted arm. I don't care what you say, I've seen it now (though not when it appeared, just post fight) and it was no 'dead arm' that's an injury imo... atleast for the duration of the fight where you use that arm they way Mundine does it would certainly play an effect on combination punching and counter punching Roy... (anyone know when he did it??)
He needs to fight ONLY legitimate top 15 (I say top 10 but he said top 15 so I guess that's what to expect... though it's Mundine so that could mean top 150) opponents or he might aswell start fighting Friday nights on Fox Sports...
He's on thin ice and if he doesn't challenge himself regularly, he will forever be known as a farce.
mmmmmm..... cookie.... Sorry what were we talking about again. Ah yes boxing. Yes I agree with most of that, although I don't think the arm played any part in the fight. I don't think he took the fight seriously, and I am hoping that he can get back on track aganst some serious opponents. I am boycotting him altogether until he does. I bet he won't be happy when he hears that.
Kegsy
06-27-2007, 11:33 PM
But mundine UD Lacy too ???????? WTF are u nostradamus or somethin i didint know nuthugging had evolved to predicting the future :patsch
Nostradamus.:rofl:rofl
Mundine beats Lacy IMO, but with a score of about 116-112.
Not a shutout like Calzaghe.
Manfredo is Jr Middleweight. It's all good for Calzaghe to whip on Manfredo and get a name on his resume, but he's struggled with lesser known fighters but it don't make them any worse than Manfredo, it actually makes em look better. Manfredo was blown out of the water.
I just proved my point to you entirely. Can you not see that. What can I possibly do to make it any more clear. I will prove it again. You said I could not prove that any of his opponents are better then Neivas. Lets look at Jeff Lacy. Undefeated dual world champion with a record of 21 and 0 with 17 by KO at the time he fought JC. Is Neivas a dual world champion who is undefeated with 17KO's on his record???? It was a stupid thing for you to say. If I were you I would just admit it and move on.
PorkChopExpress
06-27-2007, 11:35 PM
mmmmmm..... cookie.... Sorry what were we talking about again. Ah yes boxing. Yes I agree with most of that, although I don't think the arm played any part in the fight. I don't think he took the fight seriously, and I am hoping that he can get back on track aganst some serious opponents. I am boycotting him altogether until he does. I bet he won't be happy when he hears that.
Yeah, he's not boycotted by me just yet, but is on the way... it's been too many steps down the ladder (in one lead up to one fight, which says alot) and not enough forward
Manfredo is Jr Middleweight. It's all good for Calzaghe to whip on Manfredo and get a name on his resume, but he's struggled with lesser known fighters but it don't make them any worse than Manfredo, it actually makes em look better. Manfredo was blown out of the water.
How the fuck is Manfredo a jr middleweight when he started his career at middleweight and fought for the majority of his career at middleweight. He then by his own admission couldn't make the weight anymore so went up to SMW. He had two convincing wins at this weight before the JC fight, one against former world champion Scott Pemberton. Think about it.
I just proved my point to you entirely. Can you not see that. What can I possibly do to make it any more clear. I will prove it again. You said I could not prove that any of his opponents are better then Neivas. Lets look at Jeff Lacy. Undefeated dual world champion with a record of 21 and 0 with 17 by KO at the time he fought JC. Is Neivas a dual world champion who is undefeated with 17KO's on his record???? It was a stupid thing for you to say. If I were you I would just admit it and move on.
Ummm...no, you missed my point entirely. Is Kadbury Salem better than Peter Manfredo?
Well you have no way of proving that Nievas is any worse than ANY of Calzaghes' opponent. :nut
This is your quote mate. I have just proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that his opponents are much better then Neivas, and that in your words "Neivas is MUCH WORSE". So what is your point. I am very confused. What does Salem have to do with any of this. That brainstorm is well over my head.
maco_187
06-28-2007, 12:02 AM
Are you guys fkn serious? I thought Nievas was impressive last night and anyone who called him a bumb, please shut up and never advise me again because he was anything but that. I have seen Calzaghe struggle against a lot worse fighters than Nievas. Credit must go to him and credit must go to those who called him a bumb to shut up and never talk again cause the guy could fight. Overall a good workout for Mundine, he showed his speed in the opening rounds and landed a few large bombs, but the guy had a rock head, he wasn't gonna go down if a truck drove over him. Mundine was only iffy in the 5th when he took the punishment nievas was dishing out. I was a bit worried then but he recovered and won well. Winning every round according to the judges, not much more than you can ask for against a guy with a brick for a head.
So :
- Those who said Nievas is a bumb, don't advise me anymore. The guy would have gone the distance with Joe Calzaghe, im confident of that.
- Mundine won nearly every round can't ask much more than that.
- 3rdly Khoder said he is raring to fight the winner of kessler/calzaghe. Khoder thinks it may not eventuate that fight though.
So all in all a good night for Mundine. Some of you guys need to have a good look at yourselves, especially those calling Nievas a bum because he was anything but that. Also I have to admit the undercard was a disgrace, but i thought Mundine fought well and so did his opponent.
thats the worst post i have ever read in my life, either get off his nuts or get of the forum, jeese lacy would knock that argi guy out in 2, even with his crook shoulder...
Nievas is equal to many of JC opponenets.
End fo story.
Nievas is equal to many of JC opponenets.
End fo story.
Not end of story. Please tell me you are kidding. How many of JC's defences have never fought pst the 6th round before facing him?
boxfan99
06-28-2007, 12:18 AM
Nievas is equal to many of JC opponenets.
End fo story.
I really really dislike Calzaghe and his choice of opponents, but even I can see that your statement is complete garbage to say the least. Nievas makes Calzaghes opponents look good and that is pretty sad.
Nievas is equal to many of JC opponenets.
End fo story.
Please name them.
IrnBruMan
06-28-2007, 12:23 AM
Nievas is equal to many of JC opponenets.
End fo story.
:lol:
bullshit
ipswich express
06-28-2007, 12:29 AM
Mundine's camp will be entering negotiations with someone who we'll all be happy to see him fight, within the next few weeks. If that falls through though, the next opponent is likely to be the bloke I was referring to in an earlier post. Riddles and rhymes I know, but interesting to see how it pans out shortly.
IrnBruMan
06-28-2007, 12:32 AM
Mundine's camp will be entering negotiations with someone who we'll all be happy to see him fight, within the next few weeks. If that falls through though, the next opponent is likely to be the bloke I was referring to in an earlier post. Riddles and rhymes I know, but interesting to see how it pans out shortly.
Is his next fight still definitely going to be in NZ ipswich?
Branko Sobot who JC fought straight after beating Eubank :deal:hi:
A glamorous record of 14 - 1 :patsch
Hell he even fought Ricky Thornberry (one of Mundines early fights) and Mger Mkrtchian (18-1) 10 fights later than that.
I know what you guys are trying to say I am just here to keep it level :yep
Please lets just baske in the last nights glorious performance by a Aussie :yep
Mundine's camp will be entering negotiations with someone who we'll all be happy to see him fight, within the next few weeks. If that falls through though, the next opponent is likely to be the bloke I was referring to in an earlier post. Riddles and rhymes I know, but interesting to see how it pans out shortly.Plain nasty Ipswich :-(
PM please and I wont tell anyone :yep
Marcus
06-28-2007, 12:36 AM
Plain nasty Ipswich :-(
PM please and I wont tell anyone :yep
When do you get rid of that bad avatar teke??, its starting to get to me
Its better than yours mate :D
I wish Mosley would end that guys career :cool:
ipswich express
06-28-2007, 12:39 AM
Is his next fight still definitely going to be in NZ ipswich?
I honestly don't know mate.
Plain nasty Ipswich
PM please and I wont tell anyone
I know mate, haha. But I actually think you could work it out for yourself if you go by what Choc has said in the past....
shanemfr
06-28-2007, 12:39 AM
Mundine's camp will be entering negotiations with someone who we'll all be happy to see him fight, within the next few weeks. If that falls through though, the next opponent is likely to be the bloke I was referring to in an earlier post. Riddles and rhymes I know, but interesting to see how it pans out shortly.
Sean Sullivan III
Marcus
06-28-2007, 12:41 AM
Its better than yours mate :D
I wish Mosley would end that guys career :cool:
please..... if anyones career will be ending soon its Mosley :tong
IrnBruMan
06-28-2007, 12:41 AM
Branko Sobot who JC fought straight after beating Eubank :deal:hi:
A glamorous record of 14 - 1 :patsch
Hell he even fought Ricky Thornberry (one of Mundines early fights) and Mger Mkrtchian (18-1) 10 fights later than that.
I know what you guys are trying to say I am just here to keep it level :yep
Please lets just baske in the last nights glorious performance by a Aussie :yep
Sobot had at least been past 6 rds in many of those 14 fights, and JC disposed of him in 3 rds.
It was a younger Thornberry that Calzaghe faced, who had also regulalry been past 6 rds in the 25 fights he had had up until that point Thornberry also fought Ottke, but didn't get KTFO by him :yep ).
Mkrtchian had also fought past 12 rds before facing Calzaghe, and JC stopped him in 7.
There really is no comparison, because another factor is that Nievas seems to get put on his arse in just about every one of his fights. At least Calzaghe's lesser opponents can stay upright.
Sobot had at least been past 6 rds in many of those 14 fights, and JC disposed of him in 3 rds.
It was a younger Thornberry that Calzaghe faced, who had also regulalry been past 6 rds in the 25 fights he had had up until that point Thornberry also fought Ottke, but didn't get KTFO by him :yep ).
Mkrtchian had also fought past 12 rds before facing Calzaghe, and JC stopped him in 7.
There really is no comparison, because another factor is that Nievas seems to get put on his arse in just about every one of his fights. At least Calzaghe's lesser opponents can stay upright.so we've gone from name the calibre of opponents JC has fought to how long they lasted in the ring. Ok it looks like Im not going to win this one so I will admit defeat.
:(
Branko Sobot who JC fought straight after beating Eubank :deal:hi:
A glamorous record of 14 - 1 :patsch
Hell he even fought Ricky Thornberry (one of Mundines early fights) and Mger Mkrtchian (18-1) 10 fights later than that.
I know what you guys are trying to say I am just here to keep it level :yep
Please lets just baske in the last nights glorious performance by a Aussie :yep
You said many mate. And Sabot had at least been 12 rounds before, which in my book means he is more suitable as an opponent. He also held the German International Middleweight Title.
You said many mate. And Sabot had at least been 12 rounds before, which in my book means he is more suitable as an opponent. He also held the German International Middleweight Title.Refer to my previous post. I was wrong :verysad
IrnBruMan
06-28-2007, 12:49 AM
I honestly don't know mate.
I know mate, haha. But I actually think you could work it out for yourself if you go by what Choc has said in the past....
rematch with Green :patsch
The Man 247
06-28-2007, 12:52 AM
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Is it just me or would Nievas beat Manfredo, because im thinking he would.
IrnBruMan
06-28-2007, 12:53 AM
so we've gone from name the calibre of opponents JC has fought to how long they lasted in the ring. Ok it looks like Im not going to win this one so I will admit defeat.
:(
no teke :nono
The subject was how ordinary Mundine looked against a bum, not how you can try to twist it into something you can spin in Mundine's favour :yep
The thread starter claimed many of JCs opponents were worse than Nievas. Nievas is a tincan, no question about it. Even the worst of Calzaghe's opponents are leagues above Nievas - you wait and see what Nievas actually goes on to do from here.:hey
And against the worst of his opponents, Calzaghe fought them appropriately - he stopped them inside the distance.
IrnBruMan
06-28-2007, 12:53 AM
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Is it just me or would Nievas beat Manfredo, because im thinking he would.
:rofl
Yeah, cos Manfredo would be just as intimidated by Nievas as he was by Calzaghe :patsch
IrnBruMan
06-28-2007, 12:54 AM
Sean Sullivan III
That's what I suspect, if his next fight is defo in NZ :-(
no teke :nono
The subject was how ordinary Mundine looked against a bum, not how you can try to twist it into something you can spin in Mundine's favour :yep
The thread starter claimed many of JCs opponents were worse than Nievas. Nievas is a tincan, no question about it. Even the worst of Calzaghe's opponents are leagues above Nievas - you wait and see what Nievas actually goes on to do from here.:hey
And against the worst of his opponents, Calzaghe fought them appropriately - he stopped them inside the distance.No no no Muttley :nono
I said Nievas was equal to many JC opponents.
I named a few not many (MSTR) and you turned it into how JC disposed of them with ease forgeting to agree with me :yep that they were ordinary opponents beforehand. But I was a man and admitted defeat.
shanemfr
06-28-2007, 01:05 AM
because im thinking
Impossible
boxfan99
06-28-2007, 01:13 AM
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Is it just me or would Nievas beat Manfredo, because im thinking he would.
You also think Mundine is the all-time fastest boxer, right?:patsch
IrnBruMan
06-28-2007, 01:28 AM
No no no Muttley :nono
I said Nievas was equal to many JC opponents.
I named a few not many (MSTR) and you turned it into how JC disposed of them with ease forgeting to agree with me :yep that they were ordinary opponents beforehand. But I was a man and admitted defeat.
My reply to the opponents you named was to point out how they were better than Nievas, because they had more experience than him, had more ringtime, had gone further in rounds.
And the second part of my reasoning was that Calzaghe disposed of them in appropriate fashion.
Mundine couldn't put away a fighter ranked 45th in the world who had never been past 6 rds before, and who had been dropped multiple times by previous opponents.
Put another way, how many top ranked SMWs could a fighter who had never fought past 6 rds last 12 rds with?
There's your differences between Nievas and the 3 Calzaghe opponents you named :yep
My reply to the opponents you named was to point out how they were better than Nievas, because they had more experience than him, had more ringtime, had gone further in rounds.
And the second part of my reasoning was that Calzaghe disposed of them in appropriate fashion.
Mundine couldn't put away a fighter ranked 45th in the world who had never been past 6 rds before, and who had been dropped multiple times by previous opponents.
Put another way, how many top ranked SMWs could a fighter who had never fought past 6 rds last 12 rds with?
There's your differences between Nievas and the 3 Calzaghe opponents you named :yep
Totally Owned. Ouch. That must hurt Teke.
PorkChopExpress
06-28-2007, 02:05 AM
My reply to the opponents you named was to point out how they were better than Nievas, because they had more experience than him, had more ringtime, had gone further in rounds.
And the second part of my reasoning was that Calzaghe disposed of them in appropriate fashion.
Mundine couldn't put away a fighter ranked 45th in the world who had never been past 6 rds before, and who had been dropped multiple times by previous opponents.
Put another way, how many top ranked SMWs could a fighter who had never fought past 6 rds last 12 rds with?
There's your differences between Nievas and the 3 Calzaghe opponents you named :yep
All well and good. Can't really be argued with...
But do you honestly think that the reason Mundine couldn't finish him off is because his skill level dropped from KOing the f*ck out of Soliman & schooling the shit out of Green to not being able to put away Nievas in a period of 2 and half months?
There's other factors at play here than what is being alluded to on either side.
IrnBruMan
06-28-2007, 02:28 AM
All well and good. Can't really be argued with...
But do you honestly think that the reason Mundine couldn't finish him off is because his skill level dropped from KOing the f*ck out of Soliman & schooling the shit out of Green to not being able to put away Nievas in a period of 2 and half months?
There's other factors at play here than what is being alluded to on either side.
Well, I haven't seen the fight, so I can't really comment, but, I don't believe Mundine carried Nievas for 12 rds.
From what people are saying on here, they are making out Nievas has got a hell of a chin (even though he gets dropped in every fight).
Perhaps the injury took it's toll, but I suspect Mundine may have gone into this fight expecting it to be a walkover and therefore didn't prepare properly.
I also don't believe he played possum to get Kessler and Calzaghe interested in fighting him - that sort of stuff is venturing into conspiracy theory territory, so I hope no-one starts trying to say that was the reason :D
PorkChopExpress
06-28-2007, 02:33 AM
Well, I haven't seen the fight, so I can't really comment, but, I don't believe Mundine carried Nievas for 12 rds.
From what people are saying on here, they are making out Nievas has got a hell of a chin (even though he gets dropped in every fight).
Perhaps the injury took it's toll, but I suspect Mundine may have gone into this fight expecting it to be a walkover and therefore didn't prepare properly.
I also don't believe he played possum to get Kessler and Calzaghe interested in fighting him - that sort of stuff is venturing into conspiracy theory territory, so I hope no-one starts trying to say that was the reason :D
Yeah, fuck knows what happened. But it's obvious a factor or two played into Nievas favour or rather Mundine's disadvantage is what i'm saying... whether it was knowingly or not or his own fault or not we don't know so is irrelevant. But there's a reason for last night going 12 and I don't think that reason is Mundine's skill level fell by over 10 ranks in the division
IrnBruMan
06-28-2007, 02:39 AM
Yeah, fuck knows what happened. But it's obvious a factor or two played into Nievas favour or rather Mundine's disadvantage is what i'm saying... whether it was knowingly or not or his own fault or not we don't know so is irrelevant. But there's a reason for last night going 12 and I don't think that reason is Mundine's skill level fell by over 10 ranks in the division
Agreed - I don't think anyone is saying Mundine suddenly lost his ability...but it's not just ability that makes you succeed in boxing, it also takes dedication, heart and discipline, etc. and in the past Mundine has shown he can be lacking in these departments.
That said, he can't expect to be competitive against the top dogs if he can't bring his A-game to every fight.
I think what last night's fight has done is burst the bubble of invincibility Mundine and his nuthuggers had started to afford him - he appeared to be on the right track with his attitude after his loss to Kessler, but I think last night may have killed his confidence a bit, and made him come crashing back to earth a little.
Perhaps he will learn that just skills and confidence won't carry you all the way, and may grow from this, who knows.
All I know is that when Mundine's confidence is down, he can't hide it, no matter how hard he tries.
PorkChopExpress
06-28-2007, 03:41 AM
Agreed - I don't think anyone is saying Mundine suddenly lost his ability...but it's not just ability that makes you succeed in boxing, it also takes dedication, heart and discipline, etc. and in the past Mundine has shown he can be lacking in these departments.
That said, he can't expect to be competitive against the top dogs if he can't bring his A-game to every fight.
I think what last night's fight has done is burst the bubble of invincibility Mundine and his nuthuggers had started to afford him - he appeared to be on the right track with his attitude after his loss to Kessler, but I think last night may have killed his confidence a bit, and made him come crashing back to earth a little.
Perhaps he will learn that just skills and confidence won't carry you all the way, and may grow from this, who knows.
All I know is that when Mundine's confidence is down, he can't hide it, no matter how hard he tries.
well said... hope it does allow him to pick up his game...
Notice how he was in against a bigger guy again also. Bit of a trend there as well.
EelsRule
06-28-2007, 04:51 AM
Muttley cant read this si it is for the benifit of others. What total horse crap. Firstly, Mutt admits he hasnt seen the fight. But has opinions on it comming out his rectus. Secondly, "he cant exspect to beat the top dogs unless he brings his A game to every fight"...given the evidence of REALITY, this is possibly the most inaccurate comment of all the stupid things that have been said over the last 20 hours. Totally ludicrous. Exhibit (A) What about Joe Calzaghe, who never brings his A game against bums?......etc etc
Muttley cant read this si it is for the benifit of others. What total horse crap. Firstly, Mutt admits he hasnt seen the fight. But has opinions on it comming out his rectus. Secondly, "he cant exspect to beat the top dogs unless he brings his A game to every fight"...given the evidence of REALITY, this is possibly the most inaccurate comment of all the stupid things that have been said over the last 20 hours. Totally ludicrous. Exhibit (A) What about Joe Calzaghe, who never brings his A game against bums?......etc etc
If I quote you does that mean that Muttley can now read your post?
ashley
06-28-2007, 06:07 AM
I had a great time at the fight....apart from the fact that most of the other fights were crap...but maybe I am easy to entertain.
If that was a bad night for Mundine.....then he looks great even when he has an off night......fast, evasive and entertaining.:good
T.C.W
06-28-2007, 06:13 AM
I enjoyed the fight and mundine did well
IrnBruMan
06-28-2007, 06:17 AM
If I quote you does that mean that Muttley can now read your post?
Thanks for quoting that piece of shit MSTR :lol:
He doesn't actually seem to say anything, just a load of piss and wind like his usual crap.
The one legible point he raised about Calzaghe? Calzaghe, even though he doesn't fight to his best potential against every opponent, has yet to fight so badly against one that he loses to them (Siaca? :yep ).
Also, Calzaghe can afford to fight at less than his best against his lower-tier opposition, because Calzaghe is good enough to beat them convincingly at less than 100%.
The same cannot be said for Mundine.
Mundine's problem is his inconsistent self-belief - something that Calzaghe has never let affect his performance in the ring :deal
Achilles
06-28-2007, 06:30 AM
I just have one question.
What is a bumb?? :huh
IrnBruMan
06-28-2007, 06:41 AM
Here's an example of excuses being made:
Wonder how many of Chocs mates (via 3rd party of course) bet on the decision.
There were many opportunities (esp in the middle rounds) where mundine could have finished Nievas off...
Even the bookies thought Nievas was going out early :-(
I just have one question.
What is a bumb?? :huh
Its an acronym.
It stands for Bloody Useless Mundine Believers
When they use it they are secretly confirming their desires to have Mundines children.
CarltonBlues
06-28-2007, 07:13 AM
I thought it was an absolute thrashing, Mundine seemed content just to beat him up for 12 rounds. He toyed with Acosta too if you remember, I don't even think he meant to take him out that early in that fight. Getting 12 rounds is more useful to him in the long run than wasting him in 4 or 5.
ashley
06-28-2007, 07:15 AM
Its an acronym.
It stands for Bloody Useless Mundine Believers
When they use it they are secretly confirming their desires to have Mundines children.
good work...some of ya best :good
EelsRule
06-28-2007, 08:30 AM
Nievas is about Thornberrys level, maybe a little higher because he could KO people. Most would agree, except (but probably only for the duration of the present debate) for the rednecks.
Calzaghes fight with Thorberry was worse because Joe was a totally established world champ at the time. It was about his 10th title fight. It was essentially Mundines 1st defense of this title. Many, most or all take an easy title defense first up. Also, Thornberry went the distance with Calzaghe.
Nievas is about Thornberrys level, maybe a little higher because he could KO people. Most would agree, except (but probably only for the duration of the present debate) for the rednecks.
Calzaghes fight with Thorberry was worse because Joe was a totally established world champ at the time. It was about his 10th title fight. It was essentially Mundines 1st defense of this title. Many, most or all take an easy title defense first up. Also, Thornberry went the distance with Calzaghe.
Tell me your joking. Thornberry had already won the Aus Light Heavy title, the IBo world title, and had challenged for the commonwealth title. He wasn't a great opponent by any stretch, but certainly better then Neivas.
HopkinsFan
06-28-2007, 09:29 AM
Mundine was less then impressive though no matter which way you sugar-coat it..
If Calzaghe is his next fight he will be beaten soundly.
oztriker
06-28-2007, 10:34 AM
Its an acronym.
It stands for Bloody Useless Mundine Believers
When they use it they are secretly confirming their desires to have Mundines children.
:patsch :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
My reply to the opponents you named was to point out how they were better than Nievas, because they had more experience than him, had more ringtime, had gone further in rounds.
And the second part of my reasoning was that Calzaghe disposed of them in appropriate fashion.
Mundine couldn't put away a fighter ranked 45th in the world who had never been past 6 rds before, and who had been dropped multiple times by previous opponents. - Kessler couldnt put away Mundine who was stopped by good ole feather fist Ottke :yep
Put another way, how many top ranked SMWs could a fighter who had never fought past 6 rds last 12 rds with? - Nievas KO'd most of them before 6 so he must have some power
There's your differences between Nievas and the 3 Calzaghe opponents you named :yepLike i said the opponents i mentioned were equal to a many of JCs. I feel he is definitely equal to a few of them, you said bullshit and that's fine we both dont have any proof except for our interpretation of Boxrec :lol::lol:
Im nitpicking again and do see your pt but i aint lettin up :deal
This is your quote mate. I have just proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that his opponents are much better then Neivas, and that in your words "Neivas is MUCH WORSE". So what is your point. I am very confused. What does Salem have to do with any of this. That brainstorm is well over my head.
You haven't proven anything mate.
The point I was trying to make was that your credentials on paper don't necesarily make you a better or worse fighter. On paper Manfredo may be the "better" fighter or more known but that don't make him any better than other Calzaghe opponents' who gave Calzaghe a lot more trouble. I would pick a lot of Calzaghe' previous opponents to beat Manfredo.
The thing with a guy like a Nievas is he is an unknown, he hasn't the oppurtunity before so we can't really judge him from anything much besides what we've seen in the Mundine fight.
You haven't proven anything mate.
The point I was trying to make was that your credentials on paper don't necesarily make you a better or worse fighter. On paper Manfredo may be the "better" fighter or more known but that don't make him any better than other Calzaghe opponents' who gave Calzaghe a lot more trouble. I would pick a lot of Calzaghe' previous opponents to beat Manfredo.
The thing with a guy like a Nievas is he is an unknown, he hasn't the oppurtunity before so we can't really judge him from anything much besides what we've seen in the Mundine fight.
That is ridiculous though. If he has struggled and lost to bums, and has never fought past the sixth round how can he possibly compare to a guy who has beaten the top ranked guys in the division?
Surely you can see that?
That is ridiculous though. If he has struggled and lost to bums, and has never fought past the sixth round how can he possibly compare to a guy who has beaten the top ranked guys in the division?
Surely you can see that?
I can see that but you're still talking about records. He can definitely compare the same way that Calzaghes' unknown opponents can compare to Manfredo.
He has one loss prior which was TD. I mean this was his big oppurtunity and from here on he will be able to get some proper fights and I don't think it's by any stretch of the imagination that when all is said and done that Neivas could be on par with a lot of Calzaghes' lesser opponents. Calzaghes' 1st title defence opponent Sobot went 5-9 for the remainder of his career.
I can see that but you're still talking about records. He can definitely compare the same way that Calzaghes' unknown opponents can compare to Manfredo.
He has one loss prior which was TD. I mean this was his big oppurtunity and from here on he will be able to get some proper fights and I don't think it's by any stretch of the imagination that when all is said and done that Neivas could be on par with a lot of Calzaghes' lesser opponents. Calzaghes' 1st title defence opponent Sobot went 5-9 for the remainder of his career.
But your words were ANY FIGHTER from JC's record I couldn't prove. Please tell me that looking at the record and from having watched Lacy, you can see from looking at the record of Neivas who is the better fighter. Even a child would have the basic insight to see that?
But your words were ANY FIGHTER from JC's record I couldn't prove. Please tell me that looking at the record and from having watched Lacy, you can see from looking at the record of Neivas who is the better fighter. Even a child would have the basic insight to see that?
:lol:
I used ANY FIGHTER to illustrate a point. Don't take everything shit too literally. And you replied that ALL of JCs' championship opponents are much better than Nievas which is not the case. JC has fought his share of bumbs, but some of the unknowns turned out to be better than expected. Obviously Lacy is one of Calzaghes better opponents.
ipswich express
06-28-2007, 08:28 PM
Nievas is about Thornberrys level, maybe a little higher because he could KO people. Most would agree, except (but probably only for the duration of the present debate) for the rednecks.
Calzaghes fight with Thorberry was worse because Joe was a totally established world champ at the time. It was about his 10th title fight. It was essentially Mundines 1st defense of this title. Many, most or all take an easy title defense first up. Also, Thornberry went the distance with Calzaghe.
This was also a mandatory defence.
PorkChopExpress
06-28-2007, 10:39 PM
You both have good points and there's credit in the idea that we don't know Nievas' skill level and the opponents he fought is...
I'd also go out on a limb and say we will see Nievas pop up as a challenger to someone else some time soon. Even if it's someone wanting to finish him off better than Mundine dealt with him...
shanemfr
06-28-2007, 10:44 PM
Nievas is about Thornberrys level, maybe a little higher because he could KO people. Most would agree, except (but probably only for the duration of the present debate) for the rednecks.
Calzaghes fight with Thorberry was worse because Joe was a totally established world champ at the time. It was about his 10th title fight. It was essentially Mundines 1st defense of this title. Many, most or all take an easy title defense first up. Also, Thornberry went the distance with Calzaghe.
Also Thornberry went the distance with Ottke, sure take an easy defence, but when Mundine is always constantly saying he only wants the big fights with Kessler, JC, Hopkins etc, then he drags out guys like Acosta, Nishi and Nieves, his huggers jump in and say it's ok for a tune up etc.
Hopkins etc wouldn't even know who Mundine was as he has nothing to offer as far as a title or recognised international name.
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