Alexander Povetkin will NEVER be able to beat WALDO.

[RAMPAGE0017]

So find yourselves a new HW savior. :good

[Kostya Zoo]

That's bull.

[Cachibatches]

I don't think we have seen enough of him yet to judge.

[Ambition_Def]

If you say so jack.

That guy knows his way around the ring. And believe me if you think Waldo had trouble finding Brock for 7 rounds he's gonna be having nightmares finding Povetkin easily.

He better heavily prepare his jab and grab. I think his time is gonna end soon.

[dragosuhail]

i reckon the two heavies to give wladimir problems are povetkin and chagaev.

i still believe wladimir will beat these two fighters, but it will be a lot more harder than the more recent fights wladimir has been in that is for sure.

the question really comes down to this: can they handle flush right hands? if they can, then it will definately be a worthy fight. if they cannot handle getting hit by wladimir's flush power shots, then they will stiffen up a little and forget their gameplan like the majority of wladimir's opponents do.

people always say during wladimir fights about his opponents:

"why are is he just standing in front of wladimir like that?"

"why isn't he trying to get on the inside?"

"why isn't he taking any risks?"

"why is he hesitant?"

the answer to these questions is rather obvious. once they get hit by a guy with ATG power, they start to doubt their ability to get the job done. this in turn makes them a rabbit caught in the headlights of a oncoming car. it's one thing saying do this and that, but totally another thing to actually put it into action.

what is so overlooked about wladimir is he has ATG power BUT can deliever it in a rather technical fashion. unlike some big hitters that have to plant their feet, and swing with all their might, and in the process usually give the opponent many openings, wladimir when fully alert and pacing himself rarely gives anyone an opening.
also as for moving around and such, wladimir is quick on his footwork. he can move quickly for his size so it often looks like opponents choose to remain smack bang in front of him.

:good

[RAMPAGE0017]

If you say so jack.

That guy knows his way around the ring. And believe me if you think Waldo had trouble finding Brock for 7 rounds he's gonna be having nightmares finding Povetkin easily.

He better heavily prepare his jab and grab. I think his time is gonna end soon.


I say so.

I'm telling you.. you're only seeing the tip of the iceberg with this one, and I told you all the same thing about Samuel Peter but none of you hot shots wanted to believe me about that either.

[Sakura]

i reckon the two heavies to give wladimir problems are povetkin and chagaev.

i still believe wladimir will beat these two fighters, but it will be a lot more harder than the more recent fights wladimir has been in that is for sure.

the question really comes down to this: can they handle flush right hands? if they can, then it will definately be a worthy fight. if they cannot handle getting hit by wladimir's flush power shots, then they will stiffen up a little and forget their gameplan like the majority of wladimir's opponents do.

people always say during wladimir fights about his opponents:

"why are is he just standing in front of wladimir like that?"

"why isn't he trying to get on the inside?"

"why isn't he taking any risks?"

"why is he hesitant?"

the answer to these questions is rather obvious. once they get hit by a guy with ATG power, they start to doubt their ability to get the job done. this in turn makes them a rabbit caught in the headlights of a oncoming car. it's one thing saying do this and that, but totally another thing to actually put it into action.

what is so overlooked about wladimir is he has ATG power BUT can deliever it in a rather technical fashion. unlike some big hitters that have to plant their feet, and swing with all their might, and in the process usually give the opponent many openings, wladimir when fully alert and pacing himself rarely gives anyone an opening.
also as for moving around and such, wladimir is quick on his footwork. he can move quickly for his size so it often looks like opponents choose to remain smack bang in front of him.

:good

:deal

[Ambition_Def]

I say so.

I'm telling you.. you're only seeing the tip of the iceberg with this one, and I told you all the same thing about Samuel Peter but none of you hot shots wanted to believe me about that either.

:lol:

What did we see with Sam? McCline knocked him down and couldn't finish him that's about all. Sam took every round other than those 2 rounds. And are you still gonna deny those shots would have KO'd just about the whole heavyweight division?

Sam is gonna obliterate Maskaev. A guy who he doesn't have to punch up to, who will be right there small enough to shove around. It's gonna be funny watching people jump back on the bandwagon in a few months time.

And time will tell if he'll be able to hang with the rest of the division. The guy has massive natural ability. And he's learning on the job. That may very well be his equalizer.

[Brickhaus]

If he can't beat Wlad now, then I'm inclined to agree that he wouldn't have better than a 50% chance of beating Wlad until he falls off his prime. If anyone can do it, however, it would be Povetkin or Chagaev. I feel both have a chance of being able to get on the inside and do damage there, which is the best way to try beating him these days, unless you're a southpaw with hammers for fists.

[RDJ]

If Purity can floor him, so can Povetkin. Against Wlad everybody has a punchers chance.

[BoxingGuru]

I'm sure you've never seen Povetkin box, now have you.

[Brickhaus]

If Purity can floor him, so can Povetkin. Against Wlad everybody has a punchers chance.

BS. Purrity has hammers. He's a crappy boxer, but when he can land clean, it hurts. 27 KOs in 30 wins doesn't lie. Also, it might be a LITTLE more difficult to get yourself in a position to land cleanly on Wlad's chin than it was 9 years ago. Heck, even Peter couldn't really do it (all of the KDs were to the back of Wlad's head, and IMO he should have been DQed in that fight anyway). I'm by no means a Wlad hugger (I'd love to see some real competition in the weight class, and I don't think he's even close to being an ATG), but at this point, it takes a lot to keep Wlad on the floor.

[dangerousity]

I agree. Im waiting for Solis to get himself in shape for a HW saviour. Although if Wlad actually starts unifying he could be the HW saviour all along.

[RDJ]

BS. Purrity has hammers. He's a crappy boxer, but when he can land clean, it hurts. 27 KOs in 30 wins doesn't lie. Also, it might be a LITTLE more difficult to get yourself in a position to land cleanly on Wlad's chin than it was 9 years ago. Heck, even Peter couldn't really do it (all of the KDs were to the back of Wlad's head, and IMO he should have been DQed in that fight anyway). I'm by no means a Wlad hugger (I'd love to see some real competition in the weight class, and I don't think he's even close to being an ATG), but at this point, it takes a lot to keep Wlad on the floor.

Even Peter? Wow that says a lot Peter is such a precise and skilled puncher. I know Wlad is not as easy to hit as he was a few years ago but he will get hit somewhere in the fight. Povetkin is a lot more accurate than Peter, plus he can put combinations together. I'm not saying he will KO Wlad but he does have a chance.

[scorpy]

So find yourselves a new HW savior. :good

Whaaaa ? You can look into the futur ? That must be nice. :lol:

[Brickhaus]

Even Peter? Wow that says a lot Peter is such a precise and skilled puncher. I know Wlad is not as easy to hit as he was a few years ago but he will get hit somewhere in the fight. Povetkin is a lot more accurate than Peter, plus he can put combinations together. I'm not saying he will KO Wlad but he does have a chance.

If a ref ever calls Peter out on hitting to the back of the head, he doesn't stand a chance. Peter is a worse cheat than John Ruiz, and if a ref ever puts him in his place, he'll be done for.

Povetkin is a way better boxer than Peter. I think Povetkin would beat Peter H2H right now. However, Povetkin isn't a massive puncher, and he's too cerebral of a fighter to just run into Wlad throwing bombs. I suspect he'll fight by evading the jab and trying to get on the inside and hurting him there. For someone like Povetkin without a massive punch, that's probably the better strategy. If he can consistently step inside the jab, he has a chance.

[KobeIsGod]

Povetkin has the style to trouble wlad. time will tell if he's got the power, chin, and heart to even compete with him. Beating Byrd and Brock will answer some of those questions. When your best win is a decision against an ancient Larry Donald, who Vitali stopped years ago, it's a bit early to declare him the savior of anything.

Chagaev is very good boxer. But I consider him and Iggy almost interchangeable as they appear to be counter punchers at this point. Chagaev has above average power, average handspeed, good left, weak jab, good defense, and a good beard but still untested since he hasn't faced wlad. Iggy has very quick hands and feet. Very good boxer, solid combos, lazy jab, leaky defense, average power, average chin.

I don't think either beltholder can beat wlad fighting as counter punchers. Only guy I can think of who did and had some success was TOS. But TOS was facing WALD, not the Wlad of today. Chagaev has a much tighter D and better beard he will be more competitive. Wlad tko chagaev 8/9 and stops Iggy in 4.

As for my favorite Sam Peter, I have lost a lot of confidence in him. However, he still has a lot of heart, heavy hands, and the swarming style. His ability to take a punch, however, must be taken into question even by his biggest fanboys. He still hasn't shown any consistency putting together two good wins. To me, that shows a lack of preparation. You can't get away with that too long when you are not a good boxer. He can potentially upset wlad but he has to fight the same fight he did the first time and I dont know if he is willing to take that type of punishment again. I expect him to be more gunshy now and try to box more. If it happened today, wlad tko 7

[wrastla285]

If you say so jack.

That guy knows his way around the ring. And believe me if you think Waldo had trouble finding Brock for 7 rounds he's gonna be having nightmares finding Povetkin easily.

He better heavily prepare his jab and grab. I think his time is gonna end soon.

ever watched povetkin fight? he is a lot easier to hit then brock. but, he is a better offensive fighter then brock, but calvin has the much better defense.

[Ambition_Def]

ever watched povetkin fight? he is a lot easier to hit then brock. but, he is a better offensive fighter then brock, but calvin has the much better defense.

Povetkin keeps his hands high all the time. Brock has a habit of dropping his left alot. Especially when he's looking to bend. That actually makes him abit easier to hit clean with a jab.

I'd say Povetkin doesn't have Brock's upper body movement, but he keeps his hands closer to his face.

[Asterion]

Povetkin's defense has been improving in his last fights. He could give problems to Wlad in a year or two.

[RAMPAGE0017]

:lol:

What did we see with Sam? McCline knocked him down and couldn't finish him that's about all. Sam took every round other than those 2 rounds. And are you still gonna deny those shots would have KO'd just about the whole heavyweight division?

Sam is gonna obliterate Maskaev. A guy who he doesn't have to punch up to, who will be right there small enough to shove around. It's gonna be funny watching people jump back on the bandwagon in a few months time.

And time will tell if he'll be able to hang with the rest of the division. The guy has massive natural ability. And he's learning on the job. That may very well be his equalizer.

You saw with Peter that he was an overrated stiff and I said at the very beginning that if McCline didn't win he was definitely going to show just how many weaknesses this guy has, and I am hereby proclaiming Povetkin the next person on my list of over-hyped boxers. :good

If Povetkin wants any longevity at the top he better avoid WALDO like the plague because he will not, I repeat WILL NOT ever beat Wladimir, even if he manages to get by this eliminator full of feather-fisted competition the only way he'll win the IBF belt is if Wald decides to vacate it. So if the day comes when the two fight you can count on me bumping this to the top of the board. :yep

[RAMPAGE0017]

:lol:

What did we see with Sam? McCline knocked him down and couldn't finish him that's about all. Sam took every round other than those 2 rounds. And are you still gonna deny those shots would have KO'd just about the whole heavyweight division?

Sam is gonna obliterate Maskaev. A guy who he doesn't have to punch up to, who will be right there small enough to shove around. It's gonna be funny watching people jump back on the bandwagon in a few months time.

And time will tell if he'll be able to hang with the rest of the division. The guy has massive natural ability. And he's learning on the job. That may very well be his equalizer.


And yes, I am going to deny that those " shots could've KOed anyone ".

[joeboxer]

So find yourselves a new HW savior. :goodI'm a Wlad fan, but Povetkin has a shot. He has a good chin, he will fight through Wlads jab and he will get inside. I would pick Wlad, but it will be interesting, and in a couple years, I would probably pick Povetkin.

[BoxingGuru]

Even Peter? Wow that says a lot Peter is such a precise and skilled puncher. I know Wlad is not as easy to hit as he was a few years ago but he will get hit somewhere in the fight. Povetkin is a lot more accurate than Peter, plus he can put combinations together. I'm not saying he will KO Wlad but he does have a chance.

:lol: :lol: