in their prime, Jones vs Hopkins

[H .]

the best Roy Jones Jr vs the best Bernard Hopkins.

Who wins and why?

[Minotauro]

Jones is a bad style for Hopkins his speed will always be a problem he is so difficult to time that’s why great counter puncher like Hopkins and Toney were so easily beaten.

[CUFreeze]

not even close. Jones dominates.

[Rumsfeld]

Hopkins. Jones would get smothered by Hopkins and counter punched all night long.

:nod

Which is part of the reason why, in my view, RJJ always avoided the rematch like the clap!

[My dinner with Conteh]

Jones. UD by a bigger margin than the first time (how they found 4 rounds for Hopkins I'll never know). :huh

[pugilistspecialist]

Hopkins. Jones would get smothered by Hopkins and counter punched all night long. Im using the Hopkins that KO'd Trinidad by the way. Roy just wouldnt be fighting the same young kid he once fought, Hopkins matured so much since those days and is truely one of the greatest.

Hopkins would have definitely been more aggressive and made the fight more competitive, but dont disregard what happened when they really fought. Since when is a young kid 28??? Jones was only 24 and had less fights as a pro. Both fighters improved as their careers went on. The problem that Hopkins had with Jones was that he was getting outsped and counterpunched. Jones is the only fighter that Hopkins fought where he doesnt hold the edge in countering thats why he has to be aggressive. Jones would win in their primes. As Jones matured he learned how to fight off the ropes, gained a larger punch variety, and his ring generalship became second to none. Jones would win the bout 7-5

[maximumsg]

People wake up jones won 8 to 4 when hopkins was 8 years off of his prime I say hopkins takes it in late stoppage.

[thewoo]

Jones wins just as easily. Just like hopkins improved from their first fight, so did Jones and even better. The jones that fought James Toney beats any version of hopkins and makes it look easy.

[VIPERMAN]

jones would win

[kg0208]

Some here don't seem to realize Hopkins was closer to his prime when he fought Jones than when he fought Trinidad.

[Dojo]

Roy wins easily, bad style match up for Nard.

[pugilistspecialist]

Some here don't seem to realize Hopkins was closer to his prime when he fought Jones than when he fought Trinidad.

People think just because a fighter is still winning he is in his prime. Neither guy when they fought each other was at there absolute best but for god sake's Hopkins was 28, can people stop saying he was green. Hopkins prime was 1995-2002. After the Trinidad fight Hopkins decline was starting. His punch output and aggressiveness dimished alot in the past 7 years and his activity level

[freddy-wak]

Already Happened...

[My dinner with Conteh]

People wake up jones won 8 to 4 when hopkins was 8 years off of his prime I say hopkins takes it in late stoppage.



Jones barely broke sweat. :lol:

[maximumsg]

hopkins skills were no where near their peak when they had their fight. Tell me otherwise and you are and idiot that don't know shit about boxing. He improved dramatically down the road.

[the_what]

Nobody beats RJ in his prime. :smoke NOBODY!

[maximumsg]

You are all looking at physical we are talking about boxing skill here. But 90% of the people that post on here don't know what they are talking about so your comments don't change my opionion.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Re: Jones-Hopkins I. How did the US network score it? Reg Gutteridge and Jim Watt had Hopkins winning two rounds "at best". The boxing press also noted how disappointing Jones was and seemed to be 'going through the motions'. He looked like he hardly trying to me and Hopkins just looked outclassed.

[pugilistspecialist]

You are all looking at physical we are talking about boxing skill here. But 90% of the people that post on here don't know what they are talking about so your comments don't change my opionion.

The fact is both fighters improved as time went on since their first fight in '93. Jones is a stylistic puzzle for Hopkins, he has his number. That takes nothing away from Hopkins who is a Modern Day Ole Mongoose. Jones may have been his Ezzard Charles

[freddy-wak]

hopkins skills were no where near their peak when they had their fight. Tell me otherwise and you are and idiot that don't know shit about boxing. He improved dramatically down the road.

your right..

he added headbutts, lowblows and rabbit punches to his arsenal....

[My dinner with Conteh]

That takes nothing away from Hopkins who is a Modern Day Ole Mongoose. Jones may have been his Ezzard Charles


Christ, don't confuse him. :yep

[freddy-wak]

i just think this is one of those cases where one man just has the other mans number....similar to lidell and tito...or tito and shamrock

[kg0208]

You are all looking at physical we are talking about boxing skill here. But 90% of the people that post on here don't know what they are talking about so your comments don't change my opionion.

So....who said anyone wanted to change your opinion. If 90% of the people post on here know nothing, I don't see why you talk to us.

[step2meNYC]

This fight took place in 1993, and went the full twelve round distance. It was in fact a highly competetive match-up, with Jones claiming to have hurt his hand early in the bout. The speed of Jones enabled him to come out on top, nevertheless, Hopkins was a durabe opponent.
We can come to the conclusion that this may have been one surefire reason Jones never "Pressed" a rematch.

[My dinner with Conteh]

We can come to the conclusion that this may have been one surefire reason Jones never "Pressed" a rematch.



Yeah, fighters who outclass opponents always 'press' for a rematch too. Calzaghe must be avoiding Lacy too because he's never 'pressed' for a return. :good

[kg0208]

This fight took place in 1993, and went the full twelve round distance. It was in fact a highly competetive match-up, with Jones claiming to have hurt his hand early in the bout. The speed of Jones enabled him to come out on top, nevertheless, Hopkins was a durabe opponent.
We can come to the conclusion that this may have been one surefire reason Jones never "Pressed" a rematch.

Except that Jones made an offer to Hopkins in 1996 and in 2002. But other than that:deal

[maximumsg]

So....who said anyone wanted to change your opinion. If 90% of the people post on here know nothing, I don't see why you talk to us.

I don't but about once a month I have a real life with a company to run so holler next month loosers

[yesihavearm]

Anytime from about 1998+ Hopkins would beat Jones.

It seems as if people think that Jones dominated the match in 1993 against Hopkins when in reality it was very close untill later on in the fighter when Jones' speed started winning him extra points.

As for people saying Hopkins was closer to his prime in 1993 than he was when he beat Trinidad thats bullshit, Hopkins in 2000 would beat 1993 Hopkins no doubt.

Thats why Jones avoided the rematch like the plague because he knew Hopkins had his number. Where as Jones decreased in skill later on Hopkins only improved.

As for people saying RJJ was unbeatable in prime thats bullshit aswell. Foster, Spinks, Charles and Moore would probably beat him at LHW.

[kg0208]

So....who said anyone wanted to change your opinion. If 90% of the people post on here know nothing, I don't see why you talk to us.

I don't but about once a month I have a real life with a company to run so holler next month loosers

You run a company and can't even spell losers right? I think you only have access to the computer once a month.

[brooklyn1550]

Jones UD - too much speed of hand and foot.

[step2meNYC]

Jones is just a bad style matchup for Hopkins, he's too fast. But if this was the Hopkins from around 1999, I'd say it's a much closer fight. Jones 7-5

This fight took place in 1993, with jones winning a UD, over a full 12 round, hard fought, match-up.

[maximumsg]

Yea thats right I have people that type what I say bitch ask your mommy what time you need to go to bed

[My dinner with Conteh]

So....who said anyone wanted to change your opinion. If 90% of the people post on here know nothing, I don't see why you talk to us.


You've posted this same thing about four times now. Fuck off you mind-numbing bore.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Yea thats right I have people that type what I say bitch ask your mommy what time you need to go to bed




Go back to your work then 'looser'.

[My dinner with Conteh]

This fight took place in 1993, with jones winning a UD, over a full 12 round, hard fought, match-up.




Jesus, you call that 'hard fought'. Most people called it 'sleepwalk'.

[kg0208]

Yea thats right I have people that type what I say bitch ask your mommy what time you need to go to bed
Wow...you're so scary.

You have people who type what you say huh? What company do you run? It's public record....I can simply call the company and ask to speak to you and see if it's you posting here. :deal

[yesihavearm]

Jesus, you call that 'hard fought'. Most people called it 'sleepwalk'.

You clearly have no idea what your talking about. I've read about 4 or 5 of your posts today, each of them more idiotic and stupid than the previous.

How about replacing all the keys on your keyboard with the letter Z , so that your not misinterpreted in the future ?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz - My dinner with Conteh

See ?

[kg0208]

You clearly have no idea what your talking about. I've read about 4 or 5 of your posts today, each of them more idiotic and stupid than the previous.

How about replacing all the keys on your keyboard with the letter Z , so that your not misinterpreted in the future ?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz - My dinner with Conteh

See ?

Yours are no better. They are simply bashing posts with little to no actual knowledge coming forth. Hopkins was in his prime at 35+ lol....sure he was. That's why he became a counter puncher as opposed to the pressing break-you-down fighter he was in the mid 90's.

Face it, you want to discredit Jones. Cool for you, but even Orisha does a better job.

[joe the great]

When they last fought they both fought scared. I am not convinced that Roy really won it but the fight could've went either way. Not sure who'd win prime for prime. Both of them were nearing their prime when the first fight took place but neither was quite there.

[yesihavearm]

Yours are no better. They are simply bashing posts with little to no actual knowledge coming forth. Hopkins was in his prime at 35+ lol....sure he was. That's why he became a counter puncher as opposed to the pressing break-you-down fighter he was in the mid 90's.

Face it, you want to discredit Jones. Cool for you, but even Orisha does a better job.

Not discrediting Jones anymore than he needs to be. A top100 ATG and a top 10 LHW of all time.

But he's not the best fighter of the last 10-15 years like everyone thinks.

Hopkins, De la Hoya, Toney, Trinidad are ahead of him and in the next 2 years Mayweather, Calzaghe, Pac and Mosely may POSSIBLY be as well.


Hopkins was in his prime at 35+ lol....sure he was.

Whats age got to do with it ? People age differently and Hopkins has got better as he's aged, unlike Jones who after being caught using anabolic steroids went on a sharp decline untill he lost 3 times to Tarver and once to Glen Johnson.

Add a 5th loss to his resume when Tito knocks him out in January.

[BobDigi5060]

Jones 10 times outta 10.

[kg0208]

Not discrediting Jones anymore than he needs to be. A top100 ATG and a top 10 LHW of all time.

But he's not the best fighter of the last 10-15 years like everyone thinks.

Hopkins, De la Hoya, Toney, Trinidad are ahead of him and in the next 2 years Mayweather, Calzaghe, Pac and Mosely may POSSIBLY be as well.



Whats age got to do with it ? People age differently and Hopkins has got better as he's aged, unlike Jones who after being caught using anabolic steroids went on a sharp decline untill he lost 3 times to Tarver and once to Glen Johnson.

Add a 5th loss to his resume when Tito knocks him out in January.
Sure you are. You count Jones losses more than you count others. And you discredit his wins while giving others credit for theirs. Thats called "bias". Jones at worst is the 2nd best fighter of the past 15 yrs.

Hopkins hasn't gotten better with age. He adapted his style and has gotten away with being purely defensive against inactive fighters or smaller fighters. There is a reason he hasn't fought a prime fighter in 2 years.

[yesihavearm]

Sure you are. You count Jones losses more than you count others. And you discredit his wins while giving others credit for theirs. Thats called "bias". Jones at worst is the 2nd best fighter of the past 15 yrs.

Hopkins hasn't gotten better with age. He adapted his style and has gotten away with being purely defensive against inactive fighters or smaller fighters. There is a reason he hasn't fought a prime fighter in 2 years.

And when the hell besides Toney, did Jones fight a good prime fighter in his entire career ?

Oh wait, Antonio Tarver. Look what happened there.

[kg0208]

And when the hell besides Toney, did Jones fight a good prime fighter in his entire career ?

Oh wait, Antonio Tarver. Look what happened there.

What do you call good....because if Tarver was good, I would say the guy who beat Tarver was good too. Harding. So right there you have already lost that argument.

What do you call good?

[kg0208]

That's allittle misleading. Tarver broke his jaw in the first fight and then ko'd Harding in the rematch.

Harding broke Tarver's jaw in the first fight and won on all cards. Harding was winning on all cards before Tarver stopped him in the 2nd fight.

I would say if Tarver is considered good, Harding was good as well.

[sues2nd]

I was hoping I could vote for Hopkins AND too close to call.

I would slightly put the edge to Bernard (Glen Johnson actually credits Bernard with telling him exactly how to beat Jones after his win vs him...but that wasnt prime....but still ******ts mentioning), but wouldnt be surprised in the LEAST to see Jones pull it out. And I mean not in the least.

Anyone saying definately either way is picking with their heart and not their head.

[kg0208]

That's what I said. Tarver broke his jaw.The second fight only went 4 scored rounds? I would also say that Harding was good. A solid journeyman.

It looks as though you were saying Tarver broke Harding's jaw.

At LHW, I think Jones beat a few good prime fighters who would have been champions for a bit had Jones not been there. Woods, Harding, Griffin, Gonzalez to name a few. None were great.

[sues2nd]

It looks as though you were saying Tarver broke Harding's jaw.

At LHW, I think Jones beat a few good prime fighters who would have been champions for a bit had Jones not been there. Woods, Harding, Griffin, Gonzalez to name a few. None were great.

Virgil Hill WAS GREAT if you ask me tho. People severely underrate Jone's resume.

Hopkins, Toney, Hill, Griffin, Woods, Tarver, Ruiz, etc. He beat some greats, as well as some borderline greats.

[thewoo]

When they last fought they both fought scared. I am not convinced that Roy really won it but the fight could've went either way. Not sure who'd win prime for prime. Both of them were nearing their prime when the first fight took place but neither was quite there.
You are officially the first person I have ever heard of on this planet that feels that fight could have gone either, and that's including hopkins himself.

[kg0208]

Virgil Hill WAS GREAT if you ask me tho. People severely underrate Jone's resume.

Hopkins, Toney, Hill, Griffin, Woods, Tarver, Ruiz, etc. He beat some greats, as well as some borderline greats.

Hill was great, though not an ATG. But the guy asked me what good fighters Jones beat in their prime. I would be lying to call Hill prime at the time of their encounter.

[sues2nd]

Hill was great, though not an ATG. But the guy asked me what good fighters Jones beat in their prime. I would be lying to call Hill prime at the time of their encounter.

True...very true.

[Marnoff]

Jones is a bad style for Hopkins his speed will always be a problem he is so difficult to time that’s why great counter puncher like Hopkins and Toney were so easily beaten.

Hopkins wasn't easily beaten.

[Marnoff]

If they fought in their primes in a real life example where they'd already fought before, I would pick Hopkins. If they fought in a hypothetical situation, in their primes, with never having fought before, I would pick Jones. I think Hopkins had to lose to Roy before he could ever beat him. Hopkins is a master at figuring his opponents out, and I think after their first fight Hopkins would have done just that. It would have been an all-time classic war, but Hopkins would have won it.

Supposing they'd never fought, but just met in their primes, Jones would win the first fight, as meeting him for the first time must be daunting... considering he brought so much to the table.

Head to head you can make an argument for Roy as pound for pound the greatest of all time... so there's no shame in losing to him.

[Marnoff]

I was hoping I could vote for Hopkins AND too close to call.

I would slightly put the edge to Bernard (Glen Johnson actually credits Bernard with telling him exactly how to beat Jones after his win vs him...but that wasnt prime....but still ******ts mentioning), but wouldnt be surprised in the LEAST to see Jones pull it out. And I mean not in the least.

Anyone saying definately either way is picking with their heart and not their head.

Hmm, do you know where I could find Johnson saying that? I didn't know that.

[sues2nd]

Hmm, do you know where I could find Johnson saying that? I didn't know that.

I read it in an interview a ways back (right after the fight actually). Went to look for it and couldnt find it (googled it)....

He also said that Hopkins was easily the best fighter he has ever faced and by far his toughest match and said he actually felt LOST trying to fight him.

Ill poke around a bit and see if I can unearth it.

:hey

[Marnoff]

He felt Hopkins was better than Roy? How recent did he say that part?

Edit: Obviously the Roy he faced was faded/shot... etc., I know.

[sues2nd]

How the hell will BHOP figure out someone like RJJ? There's basically no way to outbox him like he did to trinidad, to beat a prime RJJ you need to have the same speed and athletic abilities to stand a chance.

Actually, no. To attempt to fight a fighter like Jones using speed and athletism, you are doomed to fail.

He is one of the fastest (if not THE fastest) fighters of all time. And athletically, he IS the best ever....I dont think there is much of an arguement to be made here.

Now how do you fight a fighter like that. Well.....the best weapon against speed is timing....there arent many fighters better than Bernard at timing his shots and timing his opponents. And to counteract an athletic fighter like that, you MUST make it a FIGHT, as opposed to a boxing match.....and how many fighters are better than Hopkins at THAT?

Bernard matches up with prime Jones better than almost anyone. Which is why I would be torn as to who would win (but for the reasons above, as well as a few others....I slllliiiiiiightly favor Hopkins).

[H .]

Actually, no. To attempt to fight a fighter like Jones using speed and athletism, you are doomed to fail.

He is one of the fastest (if not THE fastest) fighters of all time. And athletically, he IS the best ever....I dont think there is much of an arguement to be made here.

Now how do you fight a fighter like that. Well.....the best weapon against speed is timing....there arent many fighters better than Bernard at timing his shots and timing his opponents. And to counteract an athletic fighter like that, you MUST make it a FIGHT, as opposed to a boxing match.....and how many fighters are better than Hopkins at THAT?

Bernard matches up with prime Jones better than almost anyone. Which is why I would be torn as to who would win (but for the reasons above, as well as a few others....I slllliiiiiiightly favor Hopkins).

some pretty good points there

[sues2nd]

Good points, but still, Jones was damn near impossible to outbox, and showed during his prime that he was very good at fighting off the ropes.

Jones was custom made to beat counter-punchers, because he was too fast for them to counter at his peak. But again, your points are well taken.

Jones from the Toney fight vs Hopkins from the Johnson fight(either weight), now that's something.

Though I don't take much out of Johnson saying Hopkins was better. Obviously at their respective points in their career the Hopkins he faced was better.

Tho the Johnson version of Hopkins was tremendous. He wasnt really matured (maybe the wrong wording...but I think ya get me) defensively yet. I would say the Holmes/Trinidad/Joppy Hopkins (maybe a bit earlier) is the one the best exemplifies his prime (tho Id have to say out of any other fighter in history, Bernard's prime is the hardest to pinpoint).

The comment he made was something about watching his fight with Hopkins, he couldnt figure out even on film how he could win. High praise...tho Johnson has ALWAYS been pure class.

:good

[Carlos Primera]

I know Jones claims he had a broken toe nail or whatever but still. I really don't buy that excuse. Especially seeing Jones attitude-ego through out the years.
no shit. rjj could have been the president of his own fan club. does anyone buy that rjj hurt his hand in the first hopkins fight, and beat him with one hand?? this is of course RJJ, the sultan of humbleness were talking about. seems like he's making excuses for the fact that hopkins made a respectable showing against a guy who was supposed to KO him.

[ironchamp]

Good points, but still, Jones was damn near impossible to outbox, and showed during his prime that he was very good at fighting off the ropes.

Jones was custom made to beat counter-punchers, because he was too fast for them to counter at his peak. But again, your points are well taken.



This is why I feel that Jones would always beat Hopkins. Stylistically Jones is not going to lose to a counter puncher. To beat Jones you have to press the action, dictate the pace and apply constant pressure. You need to have a solid grasp of fundamentals and you also need a good chin and good power. But if you are a natural counter puncher and you're not pressing Jones rather you are effectively making it a chess match, with his hand and foot speed expect a lop sided decision loss.


BTW Jones didnt need the Hopkins rematch, He already won the first fight decisively. He presented B-hop with an offer in 2002. 60/40. At the time he was the bigger star and had more available options. Hopkins wanted 50-50 which IMO was unreasonable. As a businessman never concede at the negotiating table especially if you have the upper hand and you have no reason to be desparate. You'll only devalue yourself. Jones went on to beat John Ruiz for the WBA HW title which IMO was more impressive than if he fought and beat Hopkins AGAIN.

[PH|LLA]

I'm a HUGE fan of Hopkins but I went with already happened. Prime Jones was a monster.

[PATSYS]

Jones won

[dave82]

Prime Jones was just a freak of nature, and Hopkins in his prime was pure genius. This will be a close fight however it will be Jones winning a Ud 115-113

[theunderdog]

it's very hard to pick anyone to defeat a prime rjj at lhw

[Marnoff]

This is why I feel that Jones would always beat Hopkins. Stylistically Jones is not going to lose to a counter puncher. To beat Jones you have to press the action, dictate the pace and apply constant pressure. You need to have a solid grasp of fundamentals and you also need a good chin and good power. But if you are a natural counter puncher and you're not pressing Jones rather you are effectively making it a chess match, with his hand and foot speed expect a lop sided decision loss.

Ever see a prime Hopkins?

[sues2nd]

Ever see a prime Hopkins?

Guessing he hasnt. Either that or didnt pay much attention.

Sorry, but no way, no how ANYONE dictates the pace vs a PRIME Hopkins! He is the very definition of Ring General.

That said, Roy was an absolute FREAK....so he could easily win rounds where he didnt dictate the pace.

Again, this fight is TOO close to call. I lean toward Hopkins, only for the timing and his inside/dirty fighting ability. But as I said....I wouldnt be surprised in the LEAST by Jones winning.

Lets just say, I wouldnt bet no money on it. :yep

[Pro]

People think just because a fighter is still winning he is in his prime. Neither guy when they fought each other was at there absolute best but for god sake's Hopkins was 28, can people stop saying he was green. Hopkins prime was 1995-2002. After the Trinidad fight Hopkins decline was starting. His punch output and aggressiveness dimished alot in the past 7 years and his activity level


True^^^^

[sues2nd]

True^^^^

Actually not true.

First, during the Jones fight, NEITHER man had come close to reaching their respective primes yet.

Jones got bigger...and matured as a boxer. Hopkins got smarter and completely changed the way in which he fought.

(Obviously, it was alot more in depth of growth than what I mentioned....Im too lazy to spend a few paragraphs going into detail on it.)

Second, his punch output and aggressiveness dropped dramatically in the Taylor fights...where it was precisely his entire gameplan was to sit and wait on Taylor to punch himself out...then attack in the later rounds.

Was his output diminished vs Tarver? NOPE! Winky? NOPE!

Now did he have a greater output in and around the Jones fight (and previous to that)? Yes. But he reinvented himself into a totally different fighter after that. A more reserved, defensive counterpuncher....as opposed to a swarming high output fighter.

And finally, he may have been 28...but you are forgetting the simple fact that he spent 4 years in a state pen. He was essentially a 24 year old fighter (which, along with his renaissance as a defensive oriented fighter, led to his unfathomable longevity.....). Again, as the first point...he was not in his prime as a fighter vs Jones.

:thumbsup

[cuchulain]

The Roy who fought Griffin(2), at that point in his career and with the motivation he had that night, KO's any version of Bernard, early.

[sues2nd]

The Roy who fought Griffin(2), at that point in his career and with the motivation he had that night, KO's any version of Bernard, early.

Yeah......ummmmmmmm, no......not really.

:verysad

I mean.......no......

:-(






















































:patsch This post cant be serious.

[Marnoff]

The Roy who fought Griffin(2), at that point in his career and with the motivation he had that night, KO's any version of Bernard, early.

Based on what?

[Marnoff]

Guessing he hasnt. Either that or didnt pay much attention.

Sorry, but no way, no how ANYONE dictates the pace vs a PRIME Hopkins! He is the very definition of Ring General.

That said, Roy was an absolute FREAK....so he could easily win rounds where he didnt dictate the pace.

Again, this fight is TOO close to call. I lean toward Hopkins, only for the timing and his inside/dirty fighting ability. But as I said....I wouldnt be surprised in the LEAST by Jones winning.

Lets just say, I wouldnt bet no money on it. :yep

Yep, it's a fight I wouldn't put money on either, and I agree that I would lean towards Hopkins in a rematch.

[cuchulain]

Based on what?


Roy , before he became shot, was the best pure boxer of his generation. Best defense, best offense, fastest, both of hand and foot.

He was on his way up when he faced Hopkins. BHop was still improving and got a little better a few years later (and a little dirtier). He was a tougher nut to creck circa 1998.

Roy was also improving and improved MORE than BHop. he peaked at supermiddle and light heavy.

Roy did not always go for the KO, content to simply out box his opponent, especially after witnessing a devastating injury to afriend in the ring.

But on the night he faced Montel, he was pissed off at the guy. He predicted an early KO and he showed he meant business from the opening bell. (I would pick Griffin over Bernard at 175). He attacked with a controlled level of anger and determination and KO'd a guy he might normally have outpointed.

Bernard is one of the top five middlewts, alltime. He is an ATG and a future HOFer and was on my recent list of my twelve favourite currently active boxers.

That said, he would not have much chance against a prime Roy. The skill level difference was way too great.

Roy easily out points the man, and, if sufficiently motivated, stops him.

[Tuavale]

Jones, easy. He may not have a chin but was a virtuoso in his prime. He didn't get hit and probably lost 4 rounds in his career up to the 1st Tarver fight. Hopkins wouldn't have troubled him at all. Jones' prime was at 168. :rofl :rofl :smoke :smoke

[PH|LLA]

Jones, easy. He may not have a chin but was a virtuoso in his prime. He didn't get hit and probably lost 4 rounds in his career up to the 1st Tarver fight. Hopkins wouldn't have troubled him at all. Jones' prime was at 168. :rofl :rofl :smoke :smoke

You're so incredibly wrong in this statement. Jones has lost a ton of rounds in his career.

I'm not denigrating Jones though. I mean its normal to lose some rounds, but to say he lost 4 rounds until the Tarver fight is a big fat lie.

[Tuavale]

You're so incredibly wrong in this statement. Jones has lost a ton of rounds in his career.

I'm not denigrating Jones though. I mean its normal to lose some rounds, but to say he lost 4 rounds until the Tarver fight is a big fat lie.

It may have been a bit of an embellishment but not by much. Only Montell Griffin gave him a bit of a puzzle a long time ago. He starched Griffin in 1 round in ther rematch. BTY, who wins as in the title? :rofl:rofl:smoke:smoke

[PH|LLA]

It may have been a bit of an embellishment but not by much. Only Montell Griffin gave him a bit of a puzzle a long time ago. He starched Griffin in 1 round in ther rematch. BTY, who wins as in the title? :rofl:rofl:smoke:smoke
I think Roy would win.

I'll have you know that Roy lost 4 rounds to Hopkins in their fight. Its not as clear cut as you think it is.

[Tuavale]

I think Roy would win.

I'll have you know that Roy lost 4 rounds to Hopkins in their fight. Its not as clear cut as you think it is.

Yeah, yeah, I know the scores. It wasn't close. And Jones had a broken hand. He toyed with Bhop. And that wasn't either guys prime. Jones was weight drained and Hopkins was still learning. Jones at 168 was a nightmare for anyone. he was the best of all-time at that weight. :smoke:smoke:rofl:rofl

[Cobra33]

Roy Jones was not a techinally sound boxer.He relied on ultra fast reflexs to get away with alot along with blazing hand and foot speed.Thats why when Jone's aged he fell apart.He didn't have the techincal skills to fall back on.

[billyconn]

Jones was just too damn gifted in his prime.....

[EARL]

Outside of Bhop pulling off something lucky Roy beats him 10 times out of 10. Roy is a bad style matchup for everyone at MW and SMW, imo.

[billyconn]

Roy Jones was not a techinally sound boxer.He relied on ultra fast reflexs to get away with alot along with blazing hand and foot speed.Thats why when Jone's aged he fell apart.He didn't have the techincal skills to fall back on.

:yep ...he was too good for his own good...

Arthur Ashe said once of John MCEnroe, that he was envious of his physical gifts and that McEnroe never practiced....that he played doubles to get in match time....but when his skills decreased he had nothing to fall back on....Mc was 82-3 in 84, which is the highest win % ever in mens tennis for one year.....
Roy Jones is an example of that (too talented to care about bad habits)but he was even more gifted than MCEnroe physically in their own respective sports.....which says a lot since there is only one wght class in tennis

[billyconn]

If Roy Jones were white B-Hop would beat him.....:hey

[billyconn]

Jones, easy. He may not have a chin but was a virtuoso in his prime. He didn't get hit and probably lost 4 rounds in his career up to the 1st Tarver fight. Hopkins wouldn't have troubled him at all. Jones' prime was at 168. :rofl :rofl :smoke :smoke

good and apt word....

[Taylex]

They already fought in their prime.