Calzag-Kess fight. Who wins?. NON-BIASED POSTERS ONLY

[HolgerD]

Thought it might be a good idea to hear the NON-BIASED truth.
So please no British and Danish and half-danes and half-british posters in this thread!!!

[Half-Dane]

Thought it might be a good idea to hear the NON-BIASED truth.
So please no British and Danish and half-danes and half-british posters in this thread!!!
You fucking half-racist :D

[thewoo]

I lean towards Kessler here. I think that he punches straighter and harder and Calzage may show his age here. Calzage will probably use his hand speed and outwork Kessler early on but slow down as the fight wears on and he gets hit more. Kessler by close decision IMO. though I would not be surprised if Calzage was able to keep up the early workrate that I refered to earlier and get the decision. I don't really imagine a KO here though.

[HolgerD]

You fucking half-racist :D


Funny stuff Half-dane!!! Thanks for the joke!!!!

[Icky Monker]

I've been rewatching Calzaghe fights and Kessler fights the past few days to help build the anticipation for the fight. I've noticed that Joe follows you when you go backwards to avoid punches, also that he jumps in and hits, clinches and hits and then hits on the break as well. Kessler likes to go backwards a lot and I wonder how he'll react to the infighting aspect of Joe's game. If Joe's punches really are slaps like everyone seems to say then he shouldn't be bothered, but I think there is more force there than people give credit for.

I also think there is a chance that the occasion might get to Kessler just a bit. There was talk of him being nervous for the Andrade fight because of the added pressure that is coming along with his fame. Ok fair enough, he didn't let the pressure get to him during the fight but, in Calzaghe's backyard with everyone screaming for Joe and booing Kessler, will it effect him?

I think Kesslers punches are really solid and if he can catch Joe repeatedly with the right hand then he is going to hurt him. The thin about Calzaghe is, and I've seen this time and time again in the fights I've been watching, if you catch him, and it hurts him, he gets angry and comes back at you straight away really forcefully.

The key for Kessle I think is to land meaningful shots and keep scoring with the jab.

To be honest though I think that Joe is very crafty and very adaptable. I think joe will win a points decision.

I don't think it will be controversial or a "Lacy"

I think his workrate will pull him through and he'll beat Kessler by 2 or 3 rounds

[dangerousity]

I pick Joe. Hes legit. Crap resume but legit elite.

[boxfan99]

I pick Joe. Hes legit. Crap resume but legit elite.

Are you not British?

[booklord]

Admittedly I haven't seen as many Calzaghe and Kessler fights as I'd like but here goes.....

Kessler's a workhorse with a strong offense and defense but I just don't see him landing with enough power to hurt or KO Calzaghe. Calzaghe's has the faster handspeed but not as good of defense. Likewise I don't see him penetrating Kessler's defense enough to score the KO either. The way I see it, Calzaghe's speed will win him the first few rounds but the later rounds as the pace slows down will remain fairly evenly split between the two.

Calzaghe Wins a unanimous decision.

[SKULLSPLITTER]

Calzaghe will win by decision, and his greatest fans will say he's on SRL's level.

[China_hand_Joe]

I've been rewatching Calzaghe fights and Kessler fights the past few days to help build the anticipation for the fight. I've noticed that Joe follows you when you go backwards to avoid punches, also that he jumps in and hits, clinches and hits and then hits on the break as well. Kessler likes to go backwards a lot and I wonder how he'll react to the infighting aspect of Joe's game. If Joe's punches really are slaps like everyone seems to say then he shouldn't be bothered, but I think there is more force there than people give credit for.

I also think there is a chance that the occasion might get to Kessler just a bit. There was talk of him being nervous for the Andrade fight because of the added pressure that is coming along with his fame. Ok fair enough, he didn't let the pressure get to him during the fight but, in Calzaghe's backyard with everyone screaming for Joe and booing Kessler, will it effect him?

I think Kesslers punches are really solid and if he can catch Joe repeatedly with the right hand then he is going to hurt him. The thin about Calzaghe is, and I've seen this time and time again in the fights I've been watching, if you catch him, and it hurts him, he gets angry and comes back at you straight away really forcefully.

The key for Kessle I think is to land meaningful shots and keep scoring with the jab.

To be honest though I think that Joe is very crafty and very adaptable. I think joe will win a points decision.

I don't think it will be controversial or a "Lacy"

I think his workrate will pull him through and he'll beat Kessler by 2 or 3 rounds

Joe is more talented. He has a styles advantage also.

However he is getting old and should already be retired. He is the best there has ever been, he has nothing to prove. The upcoming loss means nothing.

[Rumsfeld]

I think it's a toss-up. I don't think either fighter has a clear advantage.

If pressed to pick a winner, I'd probably go with Kessler because he's younger and I prefer his punching technique to Calzaghe's.

[ESAJZ]

I think a Calzaghe decision is most likely.

Kessler could suprise me though and land flush, substantial punches. To do that though, he will have to demonstate better footwork than in previous fights to keep himself at a comfortable punching-range. His jab (which is nice) will really need to manifest itself as well. He just needs to keep Calzaghe on the end of his punches to not be swarmed and slapped.

[PeterNielsen70]

I think a Calzaghe decision is most likely.

Kessler could suprise me though and land flush, substantial punches. To do that though, he will have to demonstate better footwork than in previous fights to keep himself at a comfortable punching-range. His jab (which is nice) will really need to manifest itself as well. He just needs to keep Calzaghe on the end of his punches to not be swarmed and slapped.

:think
I thought that the footwork demonstrated against Andrade was just perfect. But perhaps it’s just me. The entire fight is still on YouTube, so perhaps you should consult the video again, and look carefully at Kessler’s feet. I would like to hear in what passages of the fight Kessler should/could have altered his footwork. :bbb

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[Armo_Ruski]

im goin with calzaghe by 9th rd ko

[the_what]

I have no idea. Im just going to sit back and enjoy.

[bodhidarma]

I'm going with calzaghe. I think he has too many tools for Kessler :think. Calzaghe UD 12.

[Irländsk]

A really difficult fight to predict, it would seem that Calzaghe's swarming style would open him up to Kessler's counter jab/straight right, though saying that if Calzaghe can land enough and keep Kessler off balance then Mikkel will have to move a lot more and try to slow joe down to the body. I like Kessler's footwork and I think he's capable of doing this if need be. It's really going to come down to how many power shots Joe can land and make Kessler respect him enough to stay on the outside, he he can't I can see Mikkel knocking him out in the late rounds, which is my pick for the fight,
Kessler TKO11. I hope it turns out to be the FOTY candidate it promises to be.

[Burundanga]

I'm going for Calzaghe by close UD or premature (controversial) stoppage.

[JJ]

im goin with calzaghe by 9th rd ko

His 3 KO ever, and his first in over 10 years, you mean TKO right?

[van the man]

we all know what a great fighter joe is cause we seen him when he has been pressured, but what we really dont know is how great kessler is when pressured and he got his back against the ropes! so i cant really pick a winner , but if given no choice i go for kessler.

[Wige247]

In matches like these, I always go by footwork more than anything. So this fight boils down to can JC's leg keep a pace that allows his faster hands to pop MK w/o getting hit in return? If it's the same JC that's showed up for the last 2 fights, I say no. If it's the JC that showed up vs. Lacy, then yes.

MK SD

[Zakman]

I'm going with calzaghe. I think he has too many tools for Kessler :think. Calzaghe UD 12.

Way too many. This fight will be more one-sided than people think. Not as one-sided as the Lacy fight, but not particularly close, either.

Calzaghe UD

[PeterNielsen70]

Way too many. This fight will be more one-sided than people think. Not as one-sided as the Lacy fight, but not particularly close, either.

Calzaghe UD

Zak...you are often right - but not this time. No way Joe will be able to make the fight one-sided. :bbb

[Rumsfeld]

Way too many. This fight will be more one-sided than people think. Not as one-sided as the Lacy fight, but not particularly close, either.

Calzaghe UD

I think you're grossly overrating Calzaghe here, Zakman.

I've never viewed him as anything special. He never really beat a top-notch fighter. To be fair, there weren't any top fighters in the 168 pound waste land, which begs the question--why was he so content staying there?

Anyway, how would you rate their chinny-chin-chins?

:think

[Rumsfeld]

Zak...you are often right - but not this time. No way Joe will be able to make the fight one-sided. :bbb

Agreed!

I'm not saying Joe won't win, for I think it's a pick'em fight, but I hardly believe we'll see anything one-sided, barring the unlikely event of an early KO.

It will be competitive while it lasts, and I suspect it will probably go the distance.

[rendog67]

calzaghe in imperssive fashion

[Pro]

Kessler UD!

[China_hand_Joe]

I think it's a toss-up. I don't think either fighter has a clear advantage.

If pressed to pick a winner, I'd probably go with Kessler because he's younger and I prefer his punching technique to Calzaghe's.It has just occurred to me, this thread is effectively directed at Americans, who have barely seen anything of either fighter.

[youthmann]

Nice thread here HolgerD. I't looks to be close.

I'm a MK man. But honest I just want the f..... fight so we
get a king at SMW - let the best man win.
This fight should also be a good example for other weight classes - we the fans - just want the best to meet the bests. Then boxing is as good as we get it.

That's what we get at nov. 3.
(and hopefuly MK will beat the h... out of JC ;-) )

[Zakman]

I think you're grossly overrating Calzaghe here, Zakman.

I've never viewed him as anything special. He never really beat a top-notch fighter. To be fair, there weren't any top fighters in the 168 pound waste land, which begs the question--why was he so content staying there?

Anyway, how would you rate their chinny-chin-chins?

:think

And I would say that you are underrating Calzaghe, and perhaps overrating Kessler. Don't get me wrong, he's a good fighter, but not on Calzaghe's level. I think Calzaghe is one of the top fighters of the sport - and his superior ability has been somewhat obscured by his fighting in England most of the time. If the Lacy fight gave fans some indication of how good this guy is, this fight will be the one that proves it beyond all doubt.

And, both fighters, as far as I can see, have solid chins - with perhaps a slight advantage to Kessler, but not enough to make much of a difference, imo.

[haavard]

"Thought it might be a good idea to hear the NON-BIASED truth.
So please no British and Danish and half-danes and half-british posters in this thread!!!"

French promotor Michel Acaries pics Kessler to win in a close fight. He is unbiased and French.

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[BigReg]

"Thought it might be a good idea to hear the NON-BIASED truth.
So please no British and Danish and half-danes and half-british posters in this thread!!!"

French promotor Michel Acaries pics Kessler to win in a close fight. He is unbiased and French.

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Damnit. Is there an English version of this article?

[MrStayman]

I'm half British - but I still think Kessler will win.

[mike464]

I really think it's a 50-50 fight. It would be better for boxing if Kessler won.

[boxfan99]

I'm Scottish and i KNOW Joe will win.

You know shit.

Edit: Or perhaps the judges and ref have already been bought?

[majorer]

I'm Scottish and i KNOW Joe will win.

How can you KNOW that ? You cant know that.

Guys dont just say who you think will win. Give your reasons.

One clever person just said that Kessler is not even in the same class as Calzaghe. This is stupid. Of course he is. Manfredo was not in Calzaghe or Kesslers class. The two men are in the same class. And in my opinion it is really not possible to say who will win. I can see reasons why MIkkel will win. And I can see reasons why JOe will win.
Both men can win this fight.

But since I am danish I better not say anything more in this thread. So I will just see what you guys say.
But please dont just say: mikkel will win joe will win kessler will win calzaghe will win

STATE YOUR REASONS. Thanks
I want quality thoughtfull entertainment.

[mike464]

No it fucking wouldn't.If Calzaghe won he'd probably fight another 5 chumps.

[boxfan99]

here's another humour and commentary bypass victim.

Shut up.

Ouch you really hurt me feelings there. Let me ask you, do you consider yourself a NON-BIASED poster regarding this fight? No? I thought not. So why did you state who you think will win?

[boxfan99]

well only a fucking idiot asks for non-biased posters. Not a single person on here is non-biased.

Some are non-biased regarding this particular fight. Not me, but I didn't say who I think will win now did I? I think the real idiot is the guy who couldn't even understand the original post.

[mattress]

I'm Scottish and i KNOW Joe will win.

I think it went right over the heads of a few heejuts in here mate.

[boxfan99]

I think it went right over the heads of a few heejuts in here mate.

Well then explain the humour please, how was what he said meant to be understood?

[brooklyn1550]

Calzaghe by UD

[dragosuhail]

maybe it's because im a fan of both fighters equally, but i reckon it's almost a 50-50 fight.

for the best interest of the division i want kessler to take the crown and then defend his belt for a few years. will really make 168 a great divison.

for personal interest i'd love to see calzaghe beat hopkins record (even though they are in different divisions, but still!), and also to show how great he really is.

for me it comes down to styles and stamina. both are too good to get ko'ed, i think. but who ever has the energy to impose his style for 12 rounds will win. anything close will go to calzaghe so kessler will have to put it up another gear or two for this fight.

if i was forced to pick, i'd say kessler. it's so hard to envision how the fight will go, but probably will end in a UD for one of them. the only way a ko can happen is if kessler nails joe many times with his right hand in counters, and that joe has truly gotten old.

[Terrible Terry]

Kessler TKO 9, Mikkel is to young, fast and strong for a great but 35 year old Calzaghe with a brittle body. I don't think Joe can take the kind of war that Kessler will bring to him.

[majorer]

Satire obviously being a million miles away, i will make this clear: I have stated my opinion on this 50-60 times. My thoughts are well know, my reasons well known and I am SICK of hearing/reading this shite.

Do some research and shut the fuck up.

thanks for the response man

[HolgerD]

well only a fucking idiot asks for non-biased posters. Not a single person on here is non-biased.


Thanks for the compliment!:-( Who are you to judge if people are biased or not???? Based on the posts you added to this thread I tend to think you are a genuine fool! Feel free to prove me wrong.

[MacManJr.]

Joey C.

[Morrissey]

Thought it might be a good idea to hear the NON-BIASED truth.
So please no British and Danish and half-danes and half-british posters in this thread!!!

I think Joe will still outsmart and outslap Kessler for a UD slightly similar to what he did to Lacy.

[HolgerD]

Just a reminder:
As we close in on fight night we can expect more neutral posters. Let's hear your opinion. Also, Check out Decebel's biased poll thread.

[Dorfmeister]

Max Kellerman talking about Mikkel Kessler being ambidextrous and positevily patient is doubly surprising since the three fights I saw from the Viking Warrior have given me a good illustration of the reverse, that there's nothing positive about it and looking upon his confrontation with Joe. The fights I saw were german telecasts vs Zdiarski and vs Beyer and HBO's telecast vs Andrade. Kessler's attitude in the ring is forecastable and clearcut beyond the possibility of misunderstanding - the six-footer is long muscled but still heavy muscled and can never impose the pace against Calzaghe in this upcoming match, cannot derive much from waiting for Calzaghe's whirlwind attack and counter with the stiff jab and the expect to land the right hand down the pipe, that one-two combination used against Markus Beyer, maybe a heavy left hook following the left lead but not very much else, and so relies solely on that his opponent's age will not make increasing inroads on his strength... And there's not even a case for the counterargumentative trademark comment "Once bitten, twice shy" for Calzaghe cause he has been down against Mitchell and turned it around whereas Kessler has not, Joe will come forward anyway...37 out of 39 outings in Denmark and now in his way to the snake pit? The versatile aggressor against the patient, dangerous counter-puncher? I have seen this sort of thing too many times - Calzaghe has enough left in him to beat Mikkel to the punch and thus, steal away from him what is his only chance to succeed and that is to catch the Welsh in his way in. Calzaghe wins more conclusively than against Lacy, that's my take on this from a complete unbiased perspective.

[Decebal]

Just a reminder:
As we close in on fight night we can expect more neutral posters. Let's hear your opinion. Also, Check out Decebel's biased poll thread.

:rofl

[THN]

Who wins : boxing fans all over the world, 2 undefeatet champs, I'm looking forward til saturday i Cardiff
:bbb :bbb :bbb:party :viking :viking :viking :beer :cheers

[BobDigi5060]

I've only seen Kessler fight Librado so based on just one fight I think Calzag's handspeed and experience will carry him to victory in a close decision.

[In_FlaMeS]

I pick Kessler by UD

[Decebal]

Who wins : boxing fans all over the world, 2 undefeatet champs, I'm looking forward til saturday i Cardiff
:bbb :bbb :bbb:party :viking :viking :viking :beer :cheers

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

[mattress]

If Kessler wins then he really is the real deal. If Calzaghe wins, I hope he gets the credit he deserves.......but somehow I doubt he will.

[Decebal]

If Kessler wins then he really is the real deal. If Calzaghe wins, I hope he gets the credit he deserves.......but somehow I doubt he will.

Yes, if Kessler wins, it is because he was better, (unless it's a cut or something), not because Joe was too old. If Joe wins, it is because he was as good as his fans always said he was/would be...good enough to beat a very good, prime undefeated Champion.:good

[motorboater13]

Although I would prefer a Kessler win, I think it will go the distance and Calzaghe will get the MD.

Kessler could surprise me and catch Joe with a couple of good combinations but I don't know if MK has enough power to finish him. I think Joe's workrate will win him the fight. I will give the power shot advantage to Kessler but Calzaghe's volume will score him more points.

All in all I just want a good fight!:happy

[boxfan99]

Yes, if Kessler wins, it is because he was better, (unless it's a cut or something), not because Joe was too old. If Joe wins, it is because he was as good as his fans always said he was/would be...good enough to beat a very good, prime undefeated Champion.:good

That is dangerous territory, Decebal. Remember how highly some of them think of him (Godzaghe, he would beat Haye, Marciano a.s.o.:roll: ). If you changed it to 'sensible fans', then I would agree.

[Decebal]

That is dangerous territory, Decebal. Remember how highly some of them think of him (Godzaghe, he would beat Haye, Marciano a.s.o.:roll: ). If you changed it to 'sensible fans', then I would agree.

:lol: :good

[China_hand_Joe]

That is dangerous territory, Decebal. Remember how highly some of them think of him (Godzaghe, he would beat Haye, Marciano a.s.o.:roll: ). If you changed it to 'sensible fans', then I would agree.

He's outclass Marciano and make him look foolish.

Haye? Haye couild hurt him, but there is a gulf in class, and Haye is more comfortable at HW.

[RealIzm]

I'm a true fan of both fighters and my pick has gone back and forth these past few weeks mainly because of a few questions surrounding both fighters. Will Calzaghe tire in the later rounds? Joe's stamina is superb however so is Kesslers. I think Joe's work rate combined with the punishment he will take Will slow him down a bit. Can Kessler survive and deal with Joe's work rate at a point when most Joe's opponents cower under an afghan?? I think Kessler can which is why i have Kessler winning a late KO if he can finish the job. If not I have Joe winning on points. Either way we're all in for a fantastic fight!!:)