Mundine-Nieves

[WhataRock]

Havent got much to say on the fight itself, everything has been said and argued to death.
I will only say that Nieves suprised me, he was more durable and capable than I think all of us expected and I wouldnt mind seeing him back hear against our lower calibre supermiddle-light heavies.

But I will say something about the fight as a spectacle and promotion.
Nieves was chosen for one purpose and one purpose only, so Choc could have an impressive win.
Nieves was meant to lie down & get smashed like a good little boy and Mundine was to look good doing it.

Nieves was not brought over so Choc could have some rounds, he was not brought over so Choc could have some experience against a taller opponant, he was not brought over because he had a "name", he was not brought over so Choc could showcase his skills over 12 rounds to his fans, he was not brought over because Mundine wanted exposure in the very profitable South American market.
Nieves was brought over to loose, and spectacularly.

And I for one am a little glad it backfired, it may well teach Khoder & Mundine to have a little more respect for his fans. Probably not but in all honestly I think Choc could have looked better against Danilo Haussler or Alan Green, two guys with a shit load more pedigree & reputation than Nieves.

Whether or not it was a good performance, or Nieves was a worthy foe, there was a goal (of course it was secondary to winning) that Khoder & Choc wanted to achieve last night and it was not met.

[MSTR]

Awesome post once again. Couldn't have summed it up better

[teke]

Cool and I agree.

I did not see the fight and Im not even sure i will download but i liked your post.

[ipswich express]

Put it this way, Les Sherrington is keen as mustard to face Neivas next. The Argie had a lot of heart and gave it his all. Still he was NOT a world class opponent and had no right to be involved in a world title fight. FACT.

[Kegsy]

Havent got much to say on the fight itself, everything has been said and argued to death.
I will only say that Nieves suprised me, he was more durable and capable than I think all of us expected and I wouldnt mind seeing him back hear against our lower calibre supermiddle-light heavies.

But I will say something about the fight as a spectacle and promotion.
Nieves was chosen for one purpose and one purpose only, so Choc could have an impressive win.
Nieves was meant to lie down & get smashed like a good little boy and Mundine was to look good doing it.

Nieves was not brought over so Choc could have some rounds, he was not brought over so Choc could have some experience against a taller opponant, he was not brought over because he had a "name", he was not brought over so Choc could showcase his skills over 12 rounds to his fans, he was not brought over because Mundine wanted exposure in the very profitable South American market.
Nieves was brought over to loose, and spectacularly.

And I for one am a little glad it backfired, it may well teach Khoder & Mundine to have a little more respect for his fans. Probably not but in all honestly I think Choc could have looked better against Danilo Haussler or Alan Green, two guys with a shit load more pedigree & reputation than Nieves.

Whether or not it was a good performance, or Nieves was a worthy foe, there was a goal (of course it was secondary to winning) that Khoder & Choc wanted to achieve last night and it was not met.:good
Spot on IMO.
Guys like Haussler & Green are much better well known, & are at least considered solid just outside top 10 contenders at 168.
Those are the sort of keep busy fight Mundine should take IMO.

[IrnBruMan]

Good OP

[Kegsy]

Put it this way, Les Sherrington is keen as mustard to face Neivas next. The Argie had a lot of heart and gave it his all. Still he was NOT a world class opponent and had no right to be involved in a world title fight. FACT.
Be funny if Les ko's him, which could very well happen.
As Les has quite some power.

[boxfan99]

Havent got much to say on the fight itself, everything has been said and argued to death.
I will only say that Nieves suprised me, he was more durable and capable than I think all of us expected and I wouldnt mind seeing him back hear against our lower calibre supermiddle-light heavies.

But I will say something about the fight as a spectacle and promotion.
Nieves was chosen for one purpose and one purpose only, so Choc could have an impressive win.
Nieves was meant to lie down & get smashed like a good little boy and Mundine was to look good doing it.

Nieves was not brought over so Choc could have some rounds, he was not brought over so Choc could have some experience against a taller opponant, he was not brought over because he had a "name", he was not brought over so Choc could showcase his skills over 12 rounds to his fans, he was not brought over because Mundine wanted exposure in the very profitable South American market.
Nieves was brought over to loose, and spectacularly.

And I for one am a little glad it backfired, it may well teach Khoder & Mundine to have a little more respect for his fans. Probably not but in all honestly I think Choc could have looked better against Danilo Haussler or Alan Green, two guys with a shit load more pedigree & reputation than Nieves.

Whether or not it was a good performance, or Nieves was a worthy foe, there was a goal (of course it was secondary to winning) that Khoder & Choc wanted to achieve last night and it was not met.

:good

Good post, I agree with everything you wrote except the part about the profitable South American market.

[WhataRock]

If there one thing that Les has down pat, its his offense.

He has a good kit of punches, and power in both hands.

Les has ko'd guys that fighters better than him couldnt, so he could well blow out Nieves.

[WhataRock]

:good

Good post, I agree with everything you wrote except the part about the profitable South American market.

Which was a pisstake :yep

[Dr Gonzo]

good post rock - the guy had a great chin and kept coming forward which impressed me

[boxfan99]

Which was a pisstake :yep

Yeah, I see that now.:oops:

[pecks]

Good post. I wasn't surprised that the fight went the distance (haven't seen the fight yet) because Mundine can often struggle to put away guys, and most Argies (obviously not Clavero or Acousta) are real tough nuts.
I said before the fight that it could well pan out similar to Green/Garcia and from reading everyones post fight posts, it looks as though thats pretty much how it went.

[EelsRule]

I agree with everyhting except that Mundine looked anything but top notch. It was awesome speed and accuracy from the man. Look agressive and evasive in defense. Stood toe to toe even in the last when all Nievas was going to do was look to KO him. You nut crunchers are so ridiculous in your judgements it is not funny.
Comments like "backfired"...my lord. Did you guys see the same fight I did. All Mundine didnt do was KO the guy. And thats a credit to Nievas chin. I am not taking much out of the victory as a fan, but show some self dignity as haters. It wasa dominant and entertaining to watch. What else is there to say.

[MSTR]

I agree with everyhting except that Mundine looked anything but top notch. It was awesome speed and accuracy from the man. Look agressive and evasive in defense. Stood toe to toe even in the last when all Nievas was going to do was look to KO him. You nut crunchers are so ridiculous in your judgements it is not funny.
Comments like "backfired"...my lord. Did you guys see the same fight I did. All Mundine didnt do was KO the guy. And thats a credit to Nievas chin. I am not taking much out of the victory as a fan, but show some self dignity as haters. It wasa dominant and entertaining to watch. What else is there to say.
Who was he up against. I could look dominant and evasive and stand toe 2 toe in the last round if I was fighting the captain of the school chess team. Doesn't mean shit though. Against that sort of opponent Mundine should have been more impressive then what he was. End of Story.

[EelsRule]

MSTR take us through how he could have looked more impressive. I think you mean he should have KO'd the guy. Which is all he didnt do. Fellas you've all shot from the hip with crap because being rednecked Mundine haters watching his fights you can think of nothing but negatives. If Mundine happened to beat Calzaghe you would give limited credit to Mundine and emphasis the Calzaghe decline (see the Green fight, the Echols fight etc)
Face it, your warped by hate. Its ugly and disfunctional. Mundines talent speaks for itself. But because Mundine has lip and is black you are denying the reality. He is pretty bloody good. He was pretty bloody good last night.

[MSTR]

Here you go... Just a few words from another Mundine Hater. For my good buddy EelsRule. Things Mundine could have done better last night. 1. Chosen a better Opponent. 2. Instead of just flicking the jab out and pot shotting with it, step behind it and use it to back Neivas up. 3. Chosen a better opponent. 4. double up on the jab. 5. Instead of throwing only 1-2's, use angles, and utilise more of an inside game. When he had Neivas covering up, he should have been using combinations of hooks and uppercuts, as well as lateral movement to find opening.6. MORE WORK TO THE BODY.

[MSTR]

7. COuntering with his lead hook or his straight right more often, instead of covering up and allowin Neivas to land on him.8. Let his hands go, throw more punches. When you have him hurt follow up with combinations. 9. Stop showboating. 10. Push the pace of the fight more. The guy has never fought past 6 rounds FFS, make it a world championship pace for him. 11. Circle more off that jab and use it to start your combinations. Look to finish up with his lead hook and uppercuts.12. Hook to the body, don't just throw straight rights, and when jabbing vice versa, look to jab to the pit of the stomach to bring his guard down more.

[MSTR]

Technically there were an absolute tonne of things Mundine did in there that looked amatuer at times. I guess why I am so frustrated is because I know he can do so much better. A fighter of his calibre should have put on an absolute clinic and stopped him. I was expecting Floyd vs gatti type material. And in reality, looking at the two fighters thats what it should have been. But it was far from it.

[ashley]

Nice work MSTR......but for mine Mundine looked great...very fast...very hard to hit.....he must have landed 15 great body shots.....5 or 6 upper cuts......some great hooks....and why double up you jab if your first one lands flush all the time.....[yea I know set him up ECT]....mate he must have jabed him 100 times....credit to Nievas....he was very tough...also Mundine pulled a bicep...I think...anyway despite Mundines technical brilliance I had a great time and saw a very entertaining fight...Mundine with speed and accuracey and Nievas with big bombs....a few inches and Mundine may have done another Ottke

[PorkChopExpress]

LOL!!!
Ever thought of coaching Roy?

Nice ownage.

[WhataRock]

Eels if your happy with mediocre than thats fine.
I for one have a enough faith in Choc's ability that I expect more from him and want him to succeed at the elite level.
Opponants and performances like that dont help him to reach that elite level.

You know EXACTLY why Nieves was chosen and it wasnt because Mundine wanted rounds or a tough fight.

I cant even take your comments seriously anymore the thread wasnt even about Choc's performance in the fight, it was about the farce of the whole event being billed as a serious title fight and a PPV.
It was about what Choc's intentions were in choosing an opponant like Nieves and how things didnt exactly go to plan.
With fans like you I can see why Khoder & Mundine don't respect your intellect.

Once again if you can truly look inside yourself and believe that was good night for Choc not only as a fighter but as a man who wants people to believe he is the best at what he does than you go on enjoying that make believe world. Because all the kudos and pats on the back in the world arent going to make Choc a better fighter or lift his reputation.

[oztriker]

:good
Spot on IMO.
Guys like Haussler & Green are much better well known, & are at least considered solid just outside top 10 contenders at 168.
Those are the sort of keep busy fight Mundine should take IMO.

His Mandatory is overdue......so it will be interesting to see if he goes with it or worms his way out of it again. :deal

[oztriker]

Has anybody mentioned that Nievas was another hard punching fighter that Mundine failed to put away.

Mundine has done his level best to avoid the guys who can really thump hard........ In fact his record is pretty dismal reading considering Mundine has claims of being a KO artist. He has never ended a fight early against a puncher.

I have always maintained that he fights "scared" if he thinks his opponent can hurt him.

Check this list.......Have I missed anyone?

Echols.........12 rounds win Mundine

Green..........12 rounds win Mundine

Siaca..........12 rounds win Siaca

Kessler.........12 rounds win Kessler

Nievas...........12 rounds win Mundine

Ottke:D ........... OH Well...........Can't help bad luck......eh?

[oztriker]

i thought nasser was saying last night something about there being no mandatory at the moment cause lacy is out and two people would have to fight for the mandatory spot.. i think he said they had at least 6 months.

It could be because Bute is not interested in a paper title when he has earned the right to fight for the IBF Title.

I don't think even Lacy was number one rated challenger...... It was vacant with Lacy being 2......Bute rated 3 ......and that Russian Dude 4.....and I forget who was rated 5. :deal

[T.C.W]

Put it this way, Les Sherrington is keen as mustard to face Neivas next. The Argie had a lot of heart and gave it his all. Still he was NOT a world class opponent and had no right to be involved in a world title fight. FACT.yah last night Les was keen on a fight with Neivas, ASAP

[ashley]

I think we will see a few aussie guys come out of the wood work to fight Nievas...try to Ko him and then try to get a fight with Mindine....I wont mention any names but Sam, Danny, victor, Les....opps I said it.

[MSTR]

Nice work MSTR......but for mine Mundine looked great...very fast...very hard to hit.....he must have landed 15 great body shots.....5 or 6 upper cuts......some great hooks....and why double up you jab if your first one lands flush all the time.....[yea I know set him up ECT]....mate he must have jabed him 100 times....credit to Nievas....he was very tough...also Mundine pulled a bicep...I think...anyway despite Mundines technical brilliance I had a great time and saw a very entertaining fight...Mundine with speed and accuracey and Nievas with big bombs....a few inches and Mundine may have done another Ottke

I saw it live too. It was good the atmostphere was great, and I like the under card bouts. As I said I was expecting Floyd vs Gatti, and I felt like Mundine wasn't fighting very intelligently in there. The reason to double up is to get him moving back and as you said to set him up. His hand were down, and the first jabs were landing. You start to double up and it starts your combinations off, and begins to hurt him more. I just wanted him to be more creative and less tenative in there.

[MSTR]

Eels if your happy with mediocre than thats fine.
I for one have a enough faith in Choc's ability that I expect more from him and want him to succeed at the elite level.
Opponants and performances like that dont help him to reach that elite level.

You know EXACTLY why Nieves was chosen and it wasnt because Mundine wanted rounds or a tough fight.

I cant even take your comments seriously anymore the thread wasnt even about Choc's performance in the fight, it was about the farce of the whole event being billed as a serious title fight and a PPV.
It was about what Choc's intentions were in choosing an opponant like Nieves and how things didnt exactly go to plan.
With fans like you I can see why Khoder & Mundine don't respect your intellect.

Once again if you can truly look inside yourself and believe that was good night for Choc not only as a fighter but as a man who wants people to believe he is the best at what he does than you go on enjoying that make believe world. Because all the kudos and pats on the back in the world arent going to make Choc a better fighter or lift his reputation.

:deal

Another good post.:good

[ashley]

All this Mundine hype about him being the best in the world is to sell tickets...i dont think he thinks he is the best....its all shit to get rich and have his time in the sun...good luck to him......

[MSTR]

All this Mundine hype about him being the best in the world is to sell tickets...i dont think he thinks he is the best....its all shit to get rich and have his time in the sun...good luck to him......

The frustrating thing is though that when he applies himself he is a very good fighter. I think at his best he could beat Kessler, although I don't think he believes in himself at the moment.

[ashley]

The frustrating thing is though that when he applies himself he is a very good fighter. I think at his best he could beat Kessler, although I don't think he believes in himself at the moment.

Call me mad but I thnk Mundine is better off fighting Joe then Kess...Mundine has problems with big guys....even though Joe aint small Kess LOOKS bigger.

[EelsRule]

Whatarock, your ignorant. IT WAS A TITLE FIGHT and IT WAS PPV. Whats this "being billed" crap. Like it or not thats what it was. Lots of people were there and most were entertained. THats boxing champ. I went and had a look at it at the club and had a good time. So did everyone else there. Actually, many applauded Mundines peformance.
Does it add to legacy? I dont care. Do I wont him to step it up? Yep. Is all this stuff about a bad performance nonsense? Yes.
About Choc choosing this opponent, its as he said. Keeping busy trying to get serious fights, cashing in and working on a few things. What can I say, non of that upsets me too much. Its not like Mundine gave up an opportunity for this fight. Kessler, Calzaghe, Froch, Lacy...were these guys the alternatives to Nievas. No...reality is as Briggs and Khodder said, its tough to get big fights. Your ignorant whatarock.

[teke]

Whatarock, your ignorant. IT WAS A TITLE FIGHT and IT WAS PPV. Whats this "being billed" crap. Like it or not thats what it was. Lots of people were there and most were entertained. THats boxing champ. I went and had a look at it at the club and had a good time. So did everyone else there. Actually, many applauded Mundines peformance.
Does it add to legacy? I dont care. Do I wont him to step it up? Yep. Is all this stuff about a bad performance nonsense? Yes.
About Choc choosing this opponent, its as he said. Keeping busy trying to get serious fights, cashing in and working on a few things. What can I say, non of that upsets me too much. Its not like Mundine gave up an opportunity for this fight. Kessler, Calzaghe, Froch, Lacy...were these guys the alternatives to Nievas. No...reality is as Briggs and Khodder said, its tough to get big fights. Your ignorant whatarock.I like this post, comes from the heart, wouldnt you agree Muttley and Oz?

[MSTR]

Whatarock, your ignorant. IT WAS A TITLE FIGHT and IT WAS PPV. Whats this "being billed" crap. Like it or not thats what it was. Lots of people were there and most were entertained. THats boxing champ. I went and had a look at it at the club and had a good time. So did everyone else there. Actually, many applauded Mundines peformance.
Does it add to legacy? I dont care. Do I wont him to step it up? Yep. Is all this stuff about a bad performance nonsense? Yes.
About Choc choosing this opponent, its as he said. Keeping busy trying to get serious fights, cashing in and working on a few things. What can I say, non of that upsets me too much. Its not like Mundine gave up an opportunity for this fight. Kessler, Calzaghe, Froch, Lacy...were these guys the alternatives to Nievas. No...reality is as Briggs and Khodder said, its tough to get big fights. Your ignorant whatarock.

Mate from what I have read on these boards, WhataRock knows probably 3000 times what you do about boxing. You are seriously the most biased nuthugger I have ever met. I reckon if mundine told you to suck a dogs dick because it was going to help him focus for his next title fight, you would get down on your knees and do it no questions asked.

Then when he one you would claim that it is the secret method to success, and that every other fighter in the world is so far behind mundine and his secret training methods.

[Faetter_BR]

Whatarock, your ignorant. IT WAS A TITLE FIGHT and IT WAS PPV. Whats this "being billed" crap. Like it or not thats what it was. Lots of people were there and most were entertained. THats boxing champ. I went and had a look at it at the club and had a good time. So did everyone else there. Actually, many applauded Mundines peformance.
Does it add to legacy? I dont care. Do I wont him to step it up? Yep. Is all this stuff about a bad performance nonsense? Yes.
About Choc choosing this opponent, its as he said. Keeping busy trying to get serious fights, cashing in and working on a few things. What can I say, non of that upsets me too much. Its not like Mundine gave up an opportunity for this fight. Kessler, Calzaghe, Froch, Lacy...were these guys the alternatives to Nievas. No...reality is as Briggs and Khodder said, its tough to get big fights. Your ignorant whatarock.

Mundine is mandatory to Kessler - and it's more than 18 months since Kessler defended against the WBA-mandatory - if Mundine wants the fight he can have it - all he has to do is win a pursebid or come to Denmark.

Problem is that Kessler isn't fighting for peanuts anymore.

Mundine simply doesn't have the balls - simple as that!

[oztriker]

Mundine is mandatory to Kessler - and it's more than 18 months since Kessler defended against the WBA-mandatory - if Mundine wants the fight he can have it - all he has to do is win a pursebid or come to Denmark.

Problem is that Kessler isn't fighting for peanuts anymore.

Mundine simply doesn't have the balls - simple as that!

I am pretty certain that the 18 months period began when the Title was "Unified"........which gives Mundine plenty of time to fight more chumps.

Kessler had an arrangement (with the approval of the WBA) to fight Mundine after Andrade......... but our Anthony wasn't interested in the chance to win 2 legitimate Titles and forfeited the chance so that he could defend his Paper Title against an Argentinian Cabbie. :roll:

[oztriker]

Unfortunately, I get to read the Dribble from EelsRule when you quote him, but in this case it's cool, coz it gives me a chance to shoot him down......:D

Originally Posted by EelsRule
Its not like Mundine gave up an opportunity for this fight. Kessler, Calzaghe, Froch, Lacy...were these guys the alternatives to Nievas. No...reality is as Briggs and Khodder said, its tough to get big fights. Your ignorant whatarock.
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You don't read too well....eh "Dumbarse"?

Mundine knocked back the opportunity to fight Kessler for the WBA and WBC Titles so that he could fight Nievas.

(but you sure know your boxing.......right?) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[PorkChopExpress]

Oz I know that's your playing card at the moment, and fair enough, he stood down an opportunity to take Kessler, and his comments don't match up with that... but what if the deal was just shonky... I don't think Mundine denies that Kessler is number 1 and has every chance to beat him again (Kessler beat Mundine that is). Why risk it for fuck all money if there's a solid chance you won't win anyways?

Yeah, there's all the 'I'm the best' "i want to unify" etc... but a) He wants to make $$ doing it and b) he, me, you, Australia, Nasser, every fucking athlete with an ego in the history of sport all know that he's running his mouth because it's the attitude that a) helps make money and b) puts you in a winners frame of mind.

[IrnBruMan]

I like this post, comes from the heart, wouldnt you agree Muttley and Oz?

It certainly doesn't come from the head, that's for sure :yep

[oztriker]

Oz I know that's your playing card at the moment, and fair enough, he stood down an opportunity to take Kessler, and his comments don't match up with that... but what if the deal was just shonky... I don't think Mundine denies that Kessler is number 1 and has every chance to beat him again. Why risk it for fuck all money if there's a solid chance you won't win anyways?

Yeah, there's all the 'I'm the best' "i want to unify" etc... but a) He wants to make $$ doing it and b) he, me, you, Australia, Nasser, every fucking athlete with an ego in the history of sport all know that he's running his mouth because it's the attitude that a) helps make money and b) puts you in a winners frame of mind.

He could have forced the issue by going to a purse bid......but obviously thought it wasn't such a great idea.:lol: :lol: :lol:

[PorkChopExpress]

He could have forced the issue by going to a purse bid......but obviously thought it wasn't such a great idea.:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ahh right... i'm gonna have to read up on the booking procedure. Don't know fuck all about arranging a fight.

[Scatter]

Ahh right... i'm gonna have to read up on the booking procedure. Don't know fuck all about arranging a fight.
that's alright, neither does oz. :D

you don't "force a purse bid" any time you feel like it. a purse bid comes about when the set time has expired for both camps to agree a deal - in this case, as Oz has already agreed, it's 18 months from the date kess beat beyer.

[westside]

Mate from what I have read on these boards, WhataRock knows probably 3000 times what you do about boxing. You are seriously the most biased nuthugger I have ever met. I reckon if mundine told you to suck a dogs dick because it was going to help him focus for his next title fight, you would get down on your knees and do it no questions asked.

Then when he one you would claim that it is the secret method to success, and that every other fighter in the world is so far behind mundine and his secret training methods.

Your personal attacks make me wonder why you're here :?

I wanna see mundine in one of the 'big fights' also.. but its a bit off yet. he's cant just fight calzaghe, kessler, lacy etc every 4 months. Every week there's lopsided battles and there's not a million threads on here about it??

[EelsRule]

MSTR, your an idiot. Totally silly contribution. About your ascertions, you dont even believe them.
I doubt an offer was made to Mundine. His "gumption" has been questioned before, but the facts are he always takes big fights that come up. Its like this "offer" Calzaghe made to Mundine. Oz takes it as gospel but most sane people see the reality of the matter.
Look I dont begrudge guys like Oz (who get hard to explain and confusing erections when Mundine gets his shirt off) having high expectations of Mundine to the point were he should fight the best every time. But just keepo some reality involved.

[oztriker]

that's alright, neither does oz. :D

you don't "force a purse bid" any time you feel like it. a purse bid comes about when the set time has expired for both camps to agree a deal - in this case, as Oz has already agreed, it's 18 months from the date kess beat beyer.

Different situation.

Kessler was obligated to fight Mundine after he fought Andrade.

Mundine refused, citing monetary reasons.

If Mundine wanted the fight.......Nasser and Palle would have had 30 days to negotiate an agreement.....If that failed.......then a purse bid would have been ordered by the WBA.

Mundine was already Kessler's Mandatory until he was thrown a lifeline when Kessler wanted to Unify.

[ashley]

I know why Mundine will avoid fighting Kessler...he will get KO'ed...so he should continue fighting top 15 to 50 so he wins.....until another fight comes along that he can win a title. In his next 3 or so fights he will need to fight a Lacy or similar but thats ok...just not Kess or Joe...

[oztriker]

Your personal attacks make me wonder why you're here :?

I wanna see mundine in one of the 'big fights' also.. but its a bit off yet. he's cant just fight calzaghe, kessler, lacy etc every 4 months. Every week there's lopsided battles and there's not a million threads on here about it??

:patsch FFS ...... The fucking Nuthugging Newbie with a handful of posts is questioning one of ESB's most knowledgeable posters (with 2,000 posts) about his right to be on the forum.

Fuck off back to Nuthugger territory........ I'm sure Gav has a spare Mundine jockstrap that you can sniff. :hi:

[oztriker]

I know why Mundine will avoid fighting Kessler...he will get KO'ed...so he should continue fighting top 15 to 50 so he wins.....until another fight comes along that he can win a title. In his next 3 or so fights he will need to fight a Lacy or similar but thats ok...just not Kess or Joe...

Good post....... How come you can see that and the Nuthuggers can't?:good

Mundine is good enough to beat most fighters, but no way is he gonna beat a Kessler or Calzaghe. :roll:

[Faetter_BR]

I know why Mundine will avoid fighting Kessler...he will get KO'ed...so he should continue fighting top 15 to 50 so he wins.....until another fight comes along that he can win a title. In his next 3 or so fights he will need to fight a Lacy or similar but thats ok...just not Kess or Joe...

Acosta, Chong Nee and Nievas wasn't top50 :hey - but other than that I agree.

[MSTR]

Your personal attacks make me wonder why you're here :?

I wanna see mundine in one of the 'big fights' also.. but its a bit off yet. he's cant just fight calzaghe, kessler, lacy etc every 4 months. Every week there's lopsided battles and there's not a million threads on here about it??

It goes both ways mate. If you guys want to start slinging insults they will get hurled straight back. EelsRule pointed out that WhataRock is an idiot. I firmly disagree and stated my reasons why.