Mundine - Just the facts

[slapstick]

W 29 (22 ko's) | L 3 | D 0 | Total 32
BELT: WBA Super Middleweight Title (2 X)
Current World Ranking - 3 - (BOXREC)
Professional Career Start: 2000 - 07 -03

Previous Opposition:
Sam Solimon x 2
Danny Green
Mikkel Kessler
Manny Siaca
Antwun Echols
Sven Otke

MUNDINE V NIEVAS
UD: 120/108, 119/108, 119/107

Just look at the facts. Nievas was rated top 15 - ok 15 - for the division. Mundine has previously stated that he will fight up to top 15. Nievas was on the end of the range, but had I been a fighter I would do the same on my first defence (especially after losing the belt on 1st defense first time round)

Nievas hails from Argentina. These people live, fight & $uck with passion. If you reckon Nievas is a bum - then you dont understand the sport - switch over to golf.

Admittedly not an overwhelming result (e.g. no KO) for Mundine. Overwhelming result if you look at it on paper though. I dont think it was by design, but I think the result makes a possible future appointment with JC or Kessler more of a chance. Mundine held back on the combo's that we saw he can throw with Solomon, but introduced an accurate & effective jab. I think the torn bicep did hold him back - who knows how much.

Based on this result, I think Kessler could be tempted into a rematch. If he looks at the tape on this fight. He would assume an unchanged fighter from their last encounter. I think this can only play into Mundine's favor. I'm not saying he'll take Kessler though -but I think Kessler would listen if the money is right.

[MSTR]

Mate your a goose. This guy isn't in the rings top 15 for the division thats for damn sure. Chocs promoter just paid off the WBA to rank him so that the fight would be sanctioned. He is realisticly very lucky to be top 50 in the SMW division. VERY LUCKY.

[MSTR]

W 29 (22 ko's) | L 3 | D 0 | Total 32
BELT: WBA Super Middleweight Title (2 X)
Current World Ranking - 3 - (BOXREC)
Professional Career Start: 2000 - 07 -03

Previous Opposition:
Sam Solimon x 2
Danny Green
Mikkel Kessler
Manny Siaca
Antwun Echols
Sven Otke

MUNDINE V NIEVAS
UD: 120/108, 119/108, 119/107

Just look at the facts. Nievas was rated top 15 - ok 15 - for the division. Mundine has previously stated that he will fight up to top 15. Nievas was on the end of the range, but had I been a fighter I would do the same on my first defence (especially after losing the belt on 1st defense first time round)

Nievas hails from Argentina. These people live, fight & $uck with passion. If you reckon Nievas is a bum - then you dont understand the sport - switch over to golf.

Admittedly not an overwhelming result (e.g. no KO) for Mundine. Overwhelming result if you look at it on paper though. I dont think it was by design, but I think the result makes a possible future appointment with JC or Kessler more of a chance. Mundine held back on the combo's that we saw he can throw with Solomon, but introduced an accurate & effective jab. I think the torn bicep did hold him back - who knows how much.

Based on this result, I think Kessler could be tempted into a rematch. If he looks at the tape on this fight. He would assume an unchanged fighter from their last encounter. I think this can only play into Mundine's favor. I'm not saying he'll take Kessler though -but I think Kessler would listen if the money is right.

:patsch

You put new meaning in the word gullible.

[EelsRule]

Your going to get eaten by the crunchers champ, they smell sack to bite into. Most people agree it was an entertaining main event. It was good for Mundine to get ring time and work on some things. His accuracy was awesome and his evasive skills were also top shelf. I thought he obviously worked on increasing his jab output and probably mistakenly thought he could KO the guy anytime he wanted. Which was wrong and frustrated him towards the end. I also think he is working on standing his ground with the gloves up to defend against the ropes rather than disengage out the back when they come after him. I was impressed, I though he did fade slightly towards the end. And was frustrated to find he couldnt KO him despite landing bombs at will.

[Dr Gonzo]

Mate your a goose. This guy isn't in the rings top 15 for the division thats for damn sure. Chocs promoter just paid off the WBA to rank him so that the fight would be sanctioned. He is realisticly very lucky to be top 50 in the SMW division. VERY LUCKY.

dont you love the way these newbs dive in head first with no idea and think you will praise them?
no one had heard of this guy; then suddenly POOF! he is in the wba top 15. It doesnt take fucking jimmy olsen to figure out he got pushed through the ranks quickly to provide a soft option and fool dickheads like you into believing he was a credible opponent

[MSTR]

dont you love the way these newbs dive in head first with no idea and think you will praise them?
no one had heard of this guy; then suddenly POOF! he is in the wba top 15. It doesnt take fucking jimmy olsen to figure out he got pushed through the ranks quickly to provide a soft option and fool dickheads like you into believing he was a credible opponent

:good

Its frustrating because there are so many people who would see his record and actually believe that he is a top 15 fighter in the world, because of his dodgy ranking. I hate it that the general public probably for the most part doesn't realise, due to there underhanded tricks.

[oztriker]

:good

Its frustrating because there are so many people who would see his record and actually believe that he is a top 15 fighter in the world, because of his dodgy ranking. I hate it that the general public probably for the most part doesn't realise, due to there underhanded tricks.

You think so :D The General Public that were listening to the Sport's Breakfast on 2KY yesterday know all about Nievas......... I think a little ozzie:patsch I mean birdie told them.:yep

[slapstick]

:patsch

You put new meaning in the word gullible.

Mate - the most gullable are those that have to bullshit themselves in order to feel good inside.

It is easy to take a cheap shot on an unkown - fact is neither you, nor anyone else knows $hit about Nievas except for the fight - and even though you saw what he brings to a fight - you will not acknowledge him because...

So let me turn the argument around... Argue that Mundine does not deserve his #3 ranking. Argue that point effectively & convincly then I will concede on Nievas. He has just gone 12 rounds with an excellent boxer & has come out standing with pride & deserved the respect of his opponent for sure.

The facts will $uck you every time, or you will knock yourself out. For a 2000 poster I expected more - lightweight.

[Dr Gonzo]

Mate - the most gullable are those that have to bullshit themselves in order to feel good inside.

It is easy to take a cheap shot on an unkown - fact is neither you, nor anyone else knows $hit about Nievas except for the fight - and even though you saw what he brings to a fight - you will not acknowledge him because...

So let me turn the argument around... Argue that Mundine does not deserve his #3 ranking. Argue that point effectively & convincly then I will concede on Nievas. He has just gone 12 rounds with an excellent boxer & has come out standing with pride & deserved the respect of his opponent for sure.

The facts will $uck you every time, or you will knock yourself out. For a 2000 poster I expected more - lightweight.

let him have it MSTR:bbb

[oztriker]

Based on this result, I think Kessler could be tempted into a rematch. If he looks at the tape on this fight. He would assume an unchanged fighter from their last encounter. I think this can only play into Mundine's favor. I'm not saying he'll take Kessler though -but I think Kessler would listen if the money is right.

OK.......... I'll write real slow for the retard.:roll:

Which part of "Mundine has refused 2 obligatory fights against Kessler in the last 9 months".......... don't you understand? :patsch

BTW......... That's a fact....... "Dumbarse".

[IrnBruMan]

W 29 (22 ko's) | L 3 | D 0 | Total 32
BELT: WBA Super Middleweight Title (2 X)
Current World Ranking - 3 - (BOXREC)
Professional Career Start: 2000 - 07 -03

Previous Opposition:
Sam Solimon x 2
Danny Green
Mikkel Kessler
Manny Siaca
Antwun Echols
Sven Otke

MUNDINE V NIEVAS
UD: 120/108, 119/108, 119/107

Just look at the facts. Nievas was rated top 15 - ok 15 - for the division. Mundine has previously stated that he will fight up to top 15. Nievas was on the end of the range, but had I been a fighter I would do the same on my first defence (especially after losing the belt on 1st defense first time round)

Nievas hails from Argentina. These people live, fight & $uck with passion. If you reckon Nievas is a bum - then you dont understand the sport - switch over to golf.

Admittedly not an overwhelming result (e.g. no KO) for Mundine. Overwhelming result if you look at it on paper though. I dont think it was by design, but I think the result makes a possible future appointment with JC or Kessler more of a chance. Mundine held back on the combo's that we saw he can throw with Solomon, but introduced an accurate & effective jab. I think the torn bicep did hold him back - who knows how much.

Based on this result, I think Kessler could be tempted into a rematch. If he looks at the tape on this fight. He would assume an unchanged fighter from their last encounter. I think this can only play into Mundine's favor. I'm not saying he'll take Kessler though -but I think Kessler would listen if the money is right.

Take a look at Nievas' ranking on BOXREC :deal

[Dr Gonzo]

yeah 47 is about right!

[IrnBruMan]

Mate - the most gullable are those that have to bullshit themselves in order to feel good inside.

It is easy to take a cheap shot on an unkown - fact is neither you, nor anyone else knows $hit about Nievas except for the fight - and even though you saw what he brings to a fight - you will not acknowledge him because...

So let me turn the argument around... Argue that Mundine does not deserve his #3 ranking. Argue that point effectively & convincly then I will concede on Nievas. He has just gone 12 rounds with an excellent boxer & has come out standing with pride & deserved the respect of his opponent for sure.

The facts will $uck you every time, or you will knock yourself out. For a 2000 poster I expected more - lightweight.

WTF?!?

Is this your idea of logic? :lol:

"Nievas could be brilliant just because we haven't seen him fight before last night (we'll conveniently disregard your trusty BOXREC's ranking of him), but let's have an argument about something totally unrelated and that is that Mundine doesn't deserve his #3 ranking"

:rofl :rofl :rofl

[westside]

i just wanna know what you baggers knew about Nievas before the mundine fight? you talk is if you saw all of his prior fights, and know the type of opposition he fought to get that record BEFORE the choc fight was announced.
Some of you who are accusing others not knowing what they're talking about, should stop calling the kettle black!

[oztriker]

i just wanna know what you baggers knew about Nievas before the mundine fight? you talk is if you saw all of his prior fights, and know the type of opposition he fought to get that record BEFORE the choc fight was announced.
Some of you who are accusing others not knowing what they're talking about, should stop calling the kettle black!

You can't be talking about Mundine.......Last I looked........he was beige. :D

[westside]

You can't be talking about Mundine.......Last I looked........he was beige. :D

oh dear.

[Kegsy]

W 29 (22 ko's) | L 3 | D 0 | Total 32
BELT: WBA Super Middleweight Title (2 X)
Current World Ranking - 3 - (BOXREC)
Professional Career Start: 2000 - 07 -03

Previous Opposition:
Sam Solimon x 2
Danny Green
Mikkel Kessler
Manny Siaca
Antwun Echols
Sven Otke

MUNDINE V NIEVAS
UD: 120/108, 119/108, 119/107

Just look at the facts. Nievas was rated top 15 - ok 15 - for the division. Mundine has previously stated that he will fight up to top 15. Nievas was on the end of the range, but had I been a fighter I would do the same on my first defence (especially after losing the belt on 1st defense first time round)

Nievas hails from Argentina. These people live, fight & $uck with passion. If you reckon Nievas is a bum - then you dont understand the sport - switch over to golf.

Admittedly not an overwhelming result (e.g. no KO) for Mundine. Overwhelming result if you look at it on paper though. I dont think it was by design, but I think the result makes a possible future appointment with JC or Kessler more of a chance. Mundine held back on the combo's that we saw he can throw with Solomon, but introduced an accurate & effective jab. I think the torn bicep did hold him back - who knows how much.

Based on this result, I think Kessler could be tempted into a rematch. If he looks at the tape on this fight. He would assume an unchanged fighter from their last encounter. I think this can only play into Mundine's favor. I'm not saying he'll take Kessler though -but I think Kessler would listen if the money is right.:rofl:rofl:rofl Another Mundine nuthugger.
Man these are prob the same 3 or 4 guys comin back under different aliases.
Nievas top 15.:rofl:rofl:rofl
Top 50, MAYBE.:think
Like i said many times, i would have rather Mundine taken on Nader Hamdan or someone similar of Aussie origin.
At least then the Aussie fringe contender gets a paycheck instead of a bum from Argentina.

[Achilles]

.... but had I been a fighter I would do the same on my first defence (especially after losing the belt on 1st defense first time round)


Maybe you are a fighter who has taken one too many punches because you're certainly no boxing fan. If you were you'd know that Mundine won his first title defence after he won his first supposed world title against Echols!

He beat up the highly rated Japanese dishwasher, better known as Dishy Nishy. You know, the guy who gave Mundine practise at being knocked down in preparation for Siaca doing it to him as well! What was his ranking? Top 150??

[oztriker]

Maybe you are a fighter who has taken one too many punches because you're certainly no boxing fan. If you were you'd know that Mundine won his first title defence after he won his first supposed world title against Echols!

He beat up the highly rated Japanese dishwasher, better known as Dishy Nishy. You know, the guy who gave Mundine practise at being knocked down in preparation for Siaca doing it to him as well! What was his ranking? Top 150??

OUCH! :D

[Achilles]

OUCH! :D

:ko

[BoppaZoo]

:rofl:rofl:rofl Another Mundine nuthugger.
Man these are prob the same 3 or 4 guys comin back under different aliases.
Nievas top 15.:rofl:rofl:rofl
Top 50, MAYBE.:think
Like i said many times, i would have rather Mundine taken on Nader Hamdan or someone similar of Aussie origin.
At least then the Aussie fringe contender gets a paycheck instead of a bum from Argentina.GREAT POST.:good

[MSTR]

Mate - the most gullable are those that have to bullshit themselves in order to feel good inside.

It is easy to take a cheap shot on an unkown - fact is neither you, nor anyone else knows $hit about Nievas except for the fight - and even though you saw what he brings to a fight - you will not acknowledge him because...

So let me turn the argument around... Argue that Mundine does not deserve his #3 ranking. Argue that point effectively & convincly then I will concede on Nievas. He has just gone 12 rounds with an excellent boxer & has come out standing with pride & deserved the respect of his opponent for sure.

The facts will $uck you every time, or you will knock yourself out. For a 2000 poster I expected more - lightweight.
:patsch

I do know about Neivas. I can analyse his record. He has never been past 6 rounds. He has never fought a ranked fighter. He drew with Acosta, the bum that Mundine stopped in 4 rounds. He has been dropped before and he has been knocked out before by much lessor fighters. HOW ABOUT THOSE FACTS:lol:

Why turn the arguement around? :nutThat doesn't even make sense, or any point what so ever. I believe that Mundine deserves his number 3 ranking. Where did I ever say that he didn't:huh

" The facts will fuck you every time or you will knock yourself out":huh:huh:patsch

Very profound. A bit too cryptic for my liking though, since that DOESN"T MEAN ANYTHING:nut

Do you find it funny that Neivas is unranked in all the other Major sanctioning bodies rankings?

How are those facts for you. Maybe next time you should try using your own brain when making decisions instead of just believing what someone tells you as gospel.

It woudl save me a lot of time, and save yourself a lot of embarrassment:oops:

Seriously we need to bring in an IQ test for newbies please

[MSTR]

i just wanna know what you baggers knew about Nievas before the mundine fight? you talk is if you saw all of his prior fights, and know the type of opposition he fought to get that record BEFORE the choc fight was announced.
Some of you who are accusing others not knowing what they're talking about, should stop calling the kettle black!

Let me break it down as much as possible because I know you are very slow.

We do know the type of opposition he fought before the Mundine fight. IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Its called boxrec. GOOSE...

[MSTR]

Well done slapstick. You have managed to prove yourself to be a total moron in the space of one thread. Most couldn't dream of what you have achieved. You are part of an Elite club on ESB now.

Can you please do me a favour and give yourself an uppercut:good

I would love to help but unfortunately there is only so much I can do over the internet. Thankyou

[teke]

Let me break it down as much as possible because I know you are very slow.

We do know the type of opposition he fought before the Mundine fight. IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Its called boxrec. GOOSE...There is alot of Ozish type behaviour coming into this place lately :think

Oz you definitely shouldnt be ringing up radio stations spreading your agenda :nono

[MSTR]

And here you go mate... the final nail in the coffin

You believe that Kessler will be tempted to fight Mundine because he went 12 round with a bum from Argentina:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Yeah right. Because that really did a lot to enhance Mundines reputation in the boxing world:patsch

I bet Kessler and Calzaghe really took notice of such a great victory. Surely it will be remembered as a great day for boxing.:dead

[VIP]

And here you go mate... the final nail in the coffin

You believe that Kessler will be tempted to fight Mundine because he went 12 round with a bum from Argentina:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Yeah right. Because that really did a lot to enhance Mundines reputation in the boxing world:patsch

I bet Kessler and Calzaghe really took notice of such a great victory. Surely it will be remembered as a great day for boxing.:dead

You're an idiot. The point he was making that because Mundine didn't look too good, other fighters including Kessler and Calzaghe would be more tempted to fight him. A bit like how some fighters only get a title shot only after they lose.

[boxfan99]

You're an idiot. The point he was making that because Mundine didn't look too good, other fighters including Kessler and Calzaghe would be more tempted to fight him. A bit like how some fighters only get a title shot only after they lose.

Do you or anybody else really think that Calzaghe, Kessler or the people behind them are so stupid that they only judge Mundine by one fight?

[MSTR]

You're an idiot. The point he was making that because Mundine didn't look too good, other fighters including Kessler and Calzaghe would be more tempted to fight him. A bit like how some fighters only get a title shot only after they lose.

Your an idiot. These guys are talking about fighting each other.... the best SMW's in the world. And you think they are going to be scared of fighting Mundine unless he doesn't fight up to scratch. These guys couldn't give a rats arse how he looks against this bum.

His best way of getting them in the ring apart from a mandatory situation is to beat good fighters and prove himself to be a true contender. That way the general public will demand the fight.

[MSTR]

Do you or anybody else really think that Calzaghe, Kessler or the people behind them are so stupid that they only judge Mundine by one fight?

Or that Kessler is scared of Mundine and will only fight him if he puts up a poor performance:patsch

Kessler wouldn't give a shit. Kessler so far has cared about his legacy. The best way for Mundine to get him in the ring is to beat credible opponents.

[VIP]

Your an idiot. These guys are talking about fighting each other.... the best SMW's in the world. And you think they are going to be scared of fighting Mundine unless he doesn't fight up to scratch. These guys couldn't give a rats arse how he looks against this bum.

His best way of getting them in the ring apart from a mandatory situation is to beat good fighters and prove himself to be a true contender. That way the general public will demand the fight.

The last I heard these two were still beating around the bush and there's nothing official yet. Who said they were scared? If they don't get it on then Mundine is a real option and he's already in line for a shot at Kessler.

[oztriker]

There is alot of Ozish type behaviour coming into this place lately :think

Oz you definitely shouldnt be ringing up radio stations spreading your agenda :nono

A Prophet is never recognised in his own Country.:D

[pecks]

Whatever happened to Mundine only having 2 more years left in boxing, and how he only wants to fight the top guys from here on in. I don't think that anyone would have time to fit Neivis in their schedule if they wanted to achieve greatness from the position Mundine was (and pretty much still is) in.

[jb1]

i cannot believe how every body bags the hell outta him i think he might of got hit half a dozen times hit the bloke at will who was a very tough fighter
and also injured himself in round 2


wow im loving the variety in nutthugger excuses its not boring here at all :roll:

[Dr Gonzo]

i cannot believe how every body bags the hell outta him i think he might of got hit half a dozen times hit the bloke at will who was a very tough fighter
and also injured himself in round 2

english please

[IrnBruMan]

wow im loving the variety in nutthugger excuses its not boring here at all :roll:

:lol:

[Big Red Meat Axe]

Last edited by Dr. Z. Don't tell me we have someone moderating the Aussie forum now?

[MSTR]

Last edited by Dr. Z. Don't tell me we have someone moderating the Aussie forum now?
Its too big a job. You would need a dedicated team of experts working around the clock. It should just be law of the jungle in here. The strongest survive.

[Dr Gonzo]

its like fucking lord of the flies in here LOL

[oztriker]

its like fucking lord of the flies in here LOL

LMFAO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Dr Gonzo]

choc#1 is the fat kid that gets pushed off the cliff and squashed with a stone

[oztriker]

choc#1 is the fat kid that gets pushed off the cliff and squashed with a stone

:yep :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[westside]

Let me break it down as much as possible because I know you are very slow.

We do know the type of opposition he fought before the Mundine fight. IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Its called boxrec. GOOSE...

Goose?.. thanks for the compliment. Can you have a conversation without having to get worked up?

anyway, back to the point.

The original posters point was just the facts. Which is all boxrec is.

...and I thought yous would say that you'd 'boxreced' all his opponents rather than carrying on like you know the nievas camp inside out.

[ashley]

Does anybody think Kess or Joe would take the time to sit down and see a replay of Mundines fight?...............I dont

[slapstick]

I see "The Lot" has become more ferocious in recent times. You guys were well shut up after Mundine beat the shit out of Green - things went quiet for some time. When the fight with Nievas was announced - you couldnt get on the forum fast enough to bag Mundine - same old tricks - same old crowd - same old one dimensional bullshit.

Simply put - you are deadset a bunch of fucking mungs if you cannot work it out that he is a an excellent boxer. Hate him for what he says, hate him for what he believes in - hell hate him for whatever floats your cock, but you cant argue the fact that he is excellent in the ring.

Get back to your golf & womans day - bitches. Mundine will soon shut you up once more :thumbsup

[Faetter_BR]

Mundine is a good fighter - yes

But that doesn't change the "fact" that Nievas isn't at all good enough to be fighting the likes of Mundine at this point - that fight was a joke. And it raises questions on the power of Mundine's punches - I mean this guy has been dropped and stopped by much lesser fighters than Mundine and has never been in a 12 runds fight.

It does not change the "fact" that Mundine is mandatory to Kessler and has been offered the fight twice and declined to fight Nievas!!! - what kind of behavier is that? - scary? or just realistick?

As for Calzaghe-Kessler wanting to fight him after this performance - no and yes. Calzaghe is far beyond Mundine - there is no gain what so ever for Calzaghe in fighting Mundine (not much risk either) - that fight will never happen!
Kessler - well he is mandatory and Kessler has said time and again that he would love to go downunder to fight and beat Mundine again - and he has offered Mundine the fight twice now - Mundine has declined. This fight doesn't change anything Kessler will still want to fight him - and he will beat him - again!

If Mundine wants a real belt he should drop his WBA-paperbelt and go for the IBF-belt.

[VIP]

Mundine is a good fighter - yes

But that doesn't change the "fact" that Nievas isn't at all good enough to be fighting the likes of Mundine at this point - that fight was a joke. And it raises questions on the power of Mundine's punches - I mean this guy has been dropped and stopped by much lesser fighters than Mundine and has never been in a 12 runds fight.

It does not change the "fact" that Mundine is mandatory to Kessler and has been offered the fight twice and declined to fight Nievas!!! - what kind of behavier is that? - scary? or just realistick?

As for Calzaghe-Kessler wanting to fight him after this performance - no and yes. Calzaghe is far beyond Mundine - there is no gain what so ever for Calzaghe in fighting Mundine (not much risk either) - that fight will never happen!
Kessler - well he is mandatory and Kessler has said time and again that he would love to go downunder to fight and beat Mundine again - and he has offered Mundine the fight twice now - Mundine has declined. This fight doesn't change anything Kessler will still want to fight him - and he will beat him - again!

If Mundine wants a real belt he should drop his WBA-paperbelt and go for the IBF-belt.

Nievas has been dropped before but never stopped. Mundine's power is not the greatest but he still has decent power and had Nievas hurt a couple of times but didn't finish him off. It's probably more lack of finishing skills but he was fighting in 1st gear for most of that fight if you've seen it.

The IBF belt is no better than the WBA strap Mundine has atm.

[westside]

can you guys please start dropping some names that he should be fighting?

KEEP IN MIND that he can't just fight the same 3 fighters over & over or whatever.

for 5 years winky fought lopsided fights and no one was hangin so much on him!

[van the man]

W 29 (22 ko's) | L 3 | D 0 | Total 32
BELT: WBA Super Middleweight Title (2 X)
Current World Ranking - 3 - (BOXREC)
Professional Career Start: 2000 - 07 -03

Previous Opposition:
Sam Solimon x 2
Danny Green
Mikkel Kessler
Manny Siaca
Antwun Echols
Sven Otke

MUNDINE V NIEVAS
UD: 120/108, 119/108, 119/107

Just look at the facts. Nievas was rated top 15 - ok 15 - for the division. Mundine has previously stated that he will fight up to top 15. Nievas was on the end of the range, but had I been a fighter I would do the same on my first defence (especially after losing the belt on 1st defense first time round)

Nievas hails from Argentina. These people live, fight & $uck with passion. If you reckon Nievas is a bum - then you dont understand the sport - switch over to golf.

Admittedly not an overwhelming result (e.g. no KO) for Mundine. Overwhelming result if you look at it on paper though. I dont think it was by design, but I think the result makes a possible future appointment with JC or Kessler more of a chance. Mundine held back on the combo's that we saw he can throw with Solomon, but introduced an accurate & effective jab. I think the torn bicep did hold him back - who knows how much.

Based on this result, I think Kessler could be tempted into a rematch. If he looks at the tape on this fight. He would assume an unchanged fighter from their last encounter. I think this can only play into Mundine's favor. I'm not saying he'll take Kessler though -but I think Kessler would listen if the money is right.

look buddy it dosnt make either mundine or Nievas any better just because u blow hot air into them and there fight:dead he was a total tomatocan and mundine isnt doing himself any favour fighting guys like him!:deal he should be fighting top 5 guys! if he meens buisness!

[westside]

Guys like... some names please?

[deram]

Guys like... some names please?

Joe Calzaghe Mikkel Kessler Librado Andrade Robert Stieglitz Lucien Bute Jeff Lacy Denis Inkin Carl Froch Jean Paul Mendy Mario Veit Jürgen Brähmer Vitali Tsypko Anthony Hanshaw David Gogiya Mger Mkrtchian Jackson Chanet Victor Oganov Alejandro Berrio Sakio Bika

Are those enough names?

All would imo. be approved fights for Mundine.

[westside]

Joe Calzaghe Mikkel Kessler Librado Andrade Robert Stieglitz Lucien Bute Jeff Lacy Denis Inkin Carl Froch Jean Paul Mendy Mario Veit Jürgen Brähmer Vitali Tsypko Anthony Hanshaw David Gogiya Mger Mkrtchian Jackson Chanet Victor Oganov Alejandro Berrio Sakio Bika

Are those enough names?

All would imo. be approved fights for Mundine.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

So.. does everyone agree that if Mundines next fight was against Bika.. everyone would be happy?.. or Tsypko.. or Hanshaw..??

[IrnBruMan]

Guys like... some names please?

yeah - Tsypko - I actually suggested him as the best opponent for Mundine after he beat Soliman. Tsypko fought Lacy twice, their first fight ws stopped on cuts and ruled a draw, and Lacy rematched him after his loss to Calzaghe and struggled to beat him (although Lacy tore his rotator cuff early in the fight). I think Mundine could beat Tsypko and it would be a good scalp on his resume because he could say he handily beat someone Lacy struggled with.

Carl Froch - pommy boxer starting to make a bit of noise on the international scene - would be another good scalp for Mundine.

Dennis Inkin

Andrade - imagine if Mundine dealt with this guy in a more effective manner than Kessler did? It would lay an awesome foundation for a rematch with Kessler, and would give Mundine the confidence he needs to face Kessler again.

Allan Green - I think Mundine could also beat Green quite handily

Lolenga Mocak - this fight was suggested a couple of years ago

Seriously mate - everyone knows the closer you get to the pointy end of the table, the less chance you have of getting fights with the top guys, but Mundine has a plethora of opponents to choose from, and instead feasts (may not be the best choice of words considering his trouble in dispatching Nievas) on bums.

If he would just man up and fight top 10 opponents I'm sure he would gain a hell of a lot more respect.

[westside]

cool. but like i said all fighters do the same thing (like the winky example).

i personally think mundines objective is to fight calzaghe (the pinnacle) when he feels his best. and who would blame him?
his objective was to be undisputed champ, and not just entertain us with even fights.

[IrnBruMan]

cool. but like i said all fighters do the same thing (like the winky example).

i personally think mundines objective is to fight calzaghe (the pinnacle) when he feels his best. and who would blame him?
his objective was to be undisputed champ, and not just entertain us with even fights.

No :nono

To be undisputed champ, you have to beat the man in your division. The man at SMW has yet to be decided between Calzaghe and Kessler - yes, Calzaghe is THE MAN at SMW, but Kessler is so hot on his heels that a unification fight between them is necessary to determine who is THE MAN at SMW.

Until these 2 fight, Mundine will always be #3 at SMW. Until he gets a chance at fighting the winner of JC vs Kess, he will be #3 at SMW. He has to do something worthwhile in the meantime to enforce his presence at SMW.

The problem with Mundine is that he is so terrified of losing his current # 3 rank that he won't fight anyone who presents a risk to him. In fact, he is terrified of ever losing again, full stop.

And I don't think he realises that to be a chance vs the winner of JC vs Kessler, he has to fight some tough opponents.

He also said he was also going to drop down to middleweight and unify there, and moveup to LHW and unify there.

Yes, a lot of fighters speak shit to promote themselves.

But not a lot fighters fight the level of Nievas and fuck up instead of delivering a KO finish.

[westside]

yeah well we'll see what he does.

on top of what you're saying, he also needs to get his foot in the door in the us in my opinion.

[IrnBruMan]

yeah well we'll see what he does.

on top of what you're saying, he also needs to get his foot in the door in the us in my opinion.

Mate, you asked for some names, you got them.

I've got a question for you - why do you think Mundine hasn't fought in the US yet?

[van the man]

No :nono

To be undisputed champ, you have to beat the man in your division. The man at SMW has yet to be decided between Calzaghe and Kessler - yes, Calzaghe is THE MAN at SMW, but Kessler is so hot on his heels that a unification fight between them is necessary to determine who is THE MAN at SMW.

Until these 2 fight, Mundine will always be #3 at SMW. Until he gets a chance at fighting the winner of JC vs Kess, he will be #3 at SMW. He has to do something worthwhile in the meantime to enforce his presence at SMW.

The problem with Mundine is that he is so terrified of losing his current # 3 rank that he won't fight anyone who presents a risk to him. In fact, he is terrified of ever losing again, full stop.

And I don't think he realises that to be a chance vs the winner of JC vs Kessler, he has to fight some tough opponents.

He also said he was also going to drop down to middleweight and unify there, and moveup to LHW and unify there.

Yes, a lot of fighters speak shit to promote themselves.

But not a lot fighters fight the level of Nievas and fuck up instead of delivering a KO finish.

exactly:good and mundine isnt gettin any younger so if his goal is to unify mw smw and lhw then he must be in a bit of a hury:lol:
if he meens buisness he is going to take on a top fighters or else shot up with his crap:nono

[boxfan99]

Nievas has been dropped before but never stopped. Mundine's power is not the greatest but he still has decent power and had Nievas hurt a couple of times but didn't finish him off. It's probably more lack of finishing skills but he was fighting in 1st gear for most of that fight if you've seen it.

The IBF belt is no better than the WBA strap Mundine has atm.

You can't be serious about that.:shock: The belt Mundine has now is just a glorified mandatory status whereas the IBF title is one of the Big 3.

[boxfan99]

can you guys please start dropping some names that he should be fighting?

KEEP IN MIND that he can't just fight the same 3 fighters over & over or whatever.

for 5 years winky fought lopsided fights and no one was hangin so much on him!

OK, I'll give it a go:

Calzaghe (Mundine has been offered the fight in UK with options a way back, if I recall correctly it was a shitty offer mainly because of the options, but if he really wanted Calzaghe he could have taken it)

Kessler (Mundine has already had a chance and lost, but he has the right to another shot as mandatory and has been offered the fight, but he declined to fight Nievas stating that "the Man doesn't fight for peanuts.":wall )

Lacy (Granted Lacy is injured right now but when he returns he'll be looking for a quick titleshot that he thinks he might win. A good chance for Mundine to get a good name on his record if you ask me)

Bute (Not sure Bute will be interested in this fight when he most likely become champ though:huh )

Oganov (An overprotected guy with a perfect KO record who also gained all his amateur victories by KO, if Mundine beats him he would definately get more respect than by beating guys like Nievas)

Andrade (A strong guy with an unbelivable chin who keeps attacking for 12 rounds non stop and who is in another league than Nievas)

And I could keep going, what about Froch, Tsypko, Beyer, Berrio, one of the Greens, Braehmer, Inkin a.s.o.?

Edit: Come to think of it, what about a rematch against Siaca, it would still be a lot better than Nievas.

[van the man]

OK, I'll give it a go:

Calzaghe (Mundine has been offered the fight in UK with options a way back, if I recall correctly it was a shitty offer mainly because of the options, but if he really wanted Calzaghe he could have taken it)

Kessler (Mundine has already had a chance and lost, but he has the right to another shot as mandatory and has been offered the fight, but he declined to fight Nievas stating that "the Man doesn't fight for peanuts.":wall )

Lacy (Granted Lacy is injured right now but when he returns he'll be looking for a quick titleshot that he thinks he might win. A good chance for Mundine to get a good name on his record if you ask me)

Bute (Not sure Bute will be interested in this fight when he most likely become champ though:huh )

Oganov (An overprotected guy with a perfect KO record who also gained all his amateur victories by KO, if Mundine beats him he would definately get more respect than by beating guys like Nievas)

Andrade (A strong guy with an unbelivable chin who keeps attacking for 12 rounds non stop and who is in another league than Nievas)

And I could keep going, what about Froch, Tsypko, Beyer, Berrio, one of the Greens, Braehmer, Inkin a.s.o.?

Edit: Come to think of it, what about a rematch against Siaca, it would still be a lot better than Nievas.

u said it m8:good he needs to get some of those guys

[teke]

Feed Mundine Andrade, Mundine could very well punish his body to death and still have time to read the bible before And counters him. Mundine would win quite comfortably.

[van the man]

Feed Mundine Andrade, Mundine could very well punish his body to death and still have time to read the bible before And counters him. Mundine would win quite comfortably.

-:hey if andrade dont get him with a nice powerpunch to the jaw

[THN]

Andrade would be a problem for Mundine imo. He continue to come forward with great strenght, and with a chin like that. Mundine dose'nt have the power to stop him, Andrade is in another league than Nievas.
It wuold be an interesting fight thou.

[THN]

I think Mundine will avoid Andrade, and all other serius opponents until he is forced to it, milk'n the cow, as long as he can.:yep

[oztriker]

I think Mundine will avoid Andrade, and all other serius opponents until he is forced to it, milk'n the cow, as long as he can.:yep
I CONCUR! :good

[Faetter_BR]

Feed Mundine Andrade, Mundine could very well punish his body to death and still have time to read the bible before And counters him. Mundine would win quite comfortably.

Mundine should keep as far away from Andrade as he can... Mundine has a tendency to crumble a bit under pressure and Andrade is going to pressure Mundine very hard and Mundine can do nothing to stop him. Futhermore he can't win in a more impressive way than Kessler, so it's near impossible to impress in such a fight.

He should consider Manfredo :smoke

As for Winky fighting the likes of Nievas... I fail to see when Winky fought fighters the level of Nievas while holding a major WC-belt. Only thing that comes close is his defense of the WBO-title versus Steve Foster and Ensley Bingham and I take those two over Nievas any time

[pecks]

Mundine would handle Andrade with relative ease, imo. He's big and he's strong, but he's clumsy.
If Mundine puts on his A game, the scorecards would be quite similar to that of the Neivias fight.

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[pecks]

Pfft. Photoshop. :yep:D

[westside]

thanks for the response guys who responded.

in answer to the question of why he hasn't been into us, i'm assuming due to the timing thing. interested to see how it pans out from here.
remembering he's not getting any younger!