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Illmatic
10-26-2007, 03:08 PM
Naseem "The Prince" Hamed...

99% of boxing fans judge Hamed off of one decision loss to an all time great and off of what unknowledgable boxing "fans" say, but here's a short tribute to the hardest hitting, most exciting, ambidextrous, most unorthodox featherweight of all time.

***some highlights:

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*Naseem started his career at 114 lbs in 1992, and scored 10 out of 11 wins by knockout before winning the European Bantamweight title.
*After then campaigning at 122, and title shot presents itself at featherweight, where the 5'3" Hamed absolutely dominated and thrashed WBO titlist Steve Robinson in 8 rounds. Robinson was attempting to make his 8th defense of the title.
*Hamed defeats his #1 challenger Lawal in his first defense in 35 seconds. He floors Lawal with a leaping hook, Lawal gets up, Hamed lands two more punches and his first defense is over.
*Choosing to fight on despite the flu, Hamed knocks out Manuel Medina in 11, who has won a featherweight tile 5 times.
*Next year, Hamed fights #1 featherweight, 44-2-2 IBF titlist Tom Johnson, who had been titlist for 4 years with 11 defenses. Hamed dominates, embarasses the long time titlist and knocks him out in 8 to become the unified/linear featherweight champion.
*In his big American debut, Hamed puts on a fight of the year candidate with former titlist, 47-1-2 Kevin Kelly who had kayoed Derrick Gainer the year before. Each fighter suffers three knockdowns (Hamed floored with a big hook in the first round, and his glove touches the canvas twice) in 4 rounds, until Kelly finally succumbed.
*Next year, Hamed faces WBA titlist and 3-division titleholder Wilfredo Vazquez. In another fight of the year candidate, Hamed kayoes the Puerto Rican in 7. Hamed later that year won a wide decision against iron chinned former bantamweight titlist Wayne McColough.
*Hamed is recognized by the WBO for 10 straight KO defenses.

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...Here Hamed makes the critical mistake of firing his coach Brendan Ingle, who had trained him in his unique style since the age of 7. He employs inept Oscar Suarez, and Manny Steward who tries to turn the 5'3" fighter into a more conventional stand up punches, a huge mistake for someone who gets his power and defense from his unique style. Hamed starts to look for one punch, and his defense suffers.

*Hamed, after some mid round trouble, kayoes challenger Paul Ingle in 11, who later goes on to win the IBF featherweight title.
*Hamed faces WBC titlist Cesar Soto (who had kayoed Jose Luis Castillo). Soto fights to survive, and Hamed is now the rightful champion of the WBO, IBF, WBA, WBC.
*Bungu, who was superbantamweight champion with 13 defenses with wins over Kennedy McKinney and Danny Romero, challenges Hamed and suffers a fourth round kayo loss.
*After almost killing Augie Sanchez in the ring (literally), Hamed faces former superbantam champion Marco Antonio Barrera. Barrera boxes and counters Hamed well, while Hamed stalks looking for a single shot, and Hamed loses a 115-112 decision. Barrera goes on to become an all time great.
*Hamed returns and wins a dull decision over contender Manuel Calvo to win the IBO strap.

Hamed retires with a record of 36-1 (31), having won the WBO/WBA/IBF/WBC/IBO/Linear belts at featherweight, a titlist for almost 6 years, featherweight champion for 4+ years.

The most exciting little man of his time, greatest entertainer of his time, and the hardest hitting featherweight of all time.


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Smith
10-26-2007, 03:16 PM
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cdub1012
10-26-2007, 03:45 PM
he fought nobodys an when he finally did he got his ass whooped even emanuel steward was talking about how he never wanted to fight the elite fighters... even when he fought barrera... he said he was gonna take the winner of morales barrera an he fought the loser thinking he could beat him an then after that he was a quitter i say no to HOF

Thread Stealer
10-26-2007, 03:48 PM
Hamed beat a decent collection of title holders and contenders in the 126 lb division for a good 5 year period.

I have no problem with him being a HOFer.

The HOF doesn't have the highest standards, anyway.

But Brian Mitchell, Esteban Dejesus, Donald Curry, and Marlon Starling should all get in there too.

King Dan
10-26-2007, 04:00 PM
Hamed beat a decent collection of title holders and contenders in the 126 lb division for a good 5 year period.

I have no problem with him being a HOFer.

The HOF doesn't have the highest standards, anyway.

But Brian Mitchell, Esteban Dejesus, Donald Curry, and Marlon Starling should all get in there too.

These guys make Hamed look like a journeyman.

Hamed is NO Hall of Famer.
He did have Hall of Fame talent though.

Snorkel
10-26-2007, 04:03 PM
The truth Absolutely spot on.

he fought nobodys an when he finally did he got his ass whooped even emanuel steward was talking about how he never wanted to fight the elite fighters... even when he fought barrera... he said he was gonna take the winner of morales barrera an he fought the loser thinking he could beat him an then after that he was a quitter i say no to HOF

He got decisioned by one of the greatest Mexicans to ever step in the ring, having not prepared for the fight himself. No shame in that.

As was already pointed out, he was a unified champion having taken the belts off good opposition and then made numerous defences against top contenders. The fact that he was a small feather and still won most fights by KO only serves to make his achievements more impressive.

Even if you hate the guy, there's no denying that he was a great showman and was responsible for the interest in the lower weights around that time. His power was freakish too; you're not going to see many 5'3" guys putting people out for the count with one punch many times in your life.

Thread Stealer
10-26-2007, 04:05 PM
These guys make Hamed look like a journeyman.

Hamed is NO Hall of Famer.
He did have Hall of Fame talent though.

I disagree. Hamed had a run of 4 to 5 years where he was the top featherweight and was beating all the titleholders there. The division wasn't strong, but look at other guys in the HOF who are in there for reigning in weak divisions. Given the low standards to get into Canastota, I do not see how Hamed is far from being worthy.

Sdt
10-26-2007, 04:12 PM
Yeah he is an all of famer, it isn't a shame to lose against a prime marco antonio barrera.

Snorkel
10-26-2007, 04:22 PM
Your wrong. People don't judge him off his one lose to Barrera. They judge him by the way he crumbled afterwards.

He'd thrown the towel in mentally before the Barrera fight. The loss and his subsequent lacklustre perfromance only served to prove as much to the wider world. He didn't crumble, he just lost all the desire.

PH|LLA
10-26-2007, 04:32 PM
Hamed is one of the most underrated fighters ever.

The problem is that as soon as he was met with real adversity, he crumbled. But that doesn't change the fact that he is one of the best fighters of his era. He lost to the best MAB I've personally ever seen, and I've seen a ton of MAB fights. MAB would've beaten Jesus Christ on that night.

Definately a first ballot HOFer

Claypole
10-26-2007, 04:54 PM
Hall of Fame my arse. He did have a lot of talent, and there was no shame in losing to MAB, but the fact is he failed at the very top level.
A truly great fighter would have come back and taken on more of the top guys. He had the ability, but not the mettle.

Thread Stealer
10-26-2007, 04:57 PM
Hall of Fame my arse. He did have a lot of talent, and there was no shame in losing to MAB, but the fact is he failed at the very top level.
A truly great fighter would have come back and taken on more of the top guys. He had the ability, but not the mettle.

Since when has the HOF been for only "truly great" fighters?

Punisher33
10-26-2007, 05:01 PM
Maybe hall of fame, its just to bad he will always be most remembered for the huge ass whooping Barrera gave him.

pipe wrenched
10-26-2007, 05:26 PM
Hamed was entertaining as hell. Great to see you back Ill!! The avatar a part of the bet too??

Illmatic
10-26-2007, 05:26 PM
how exactly do you lose at the top level but win every belt in your weight class, the linear title, and become undisputed champion for four years?

whats the top level? srr, ali, henry armstrong and no one else?

Illmatic
10-26-2007, 05:29 PM
Hamed was entertaining as hell. Great to see you back Ill!! The avatar a part of the bet too??

yeah..a second bet....:sad2

ThePlugInBabies
10-26-2007, 05:30 PM
it's amazing how peoples lose their ability to think straight and objectively when naz's name is mentioned. he is without doubt one of the top 5 most underrated fighters on this board.

too many people judge the man, not the fighter and come to the conclusion that he was some bum who achieved nothing during his career.

pipe wrenched
10-26-2007, 05:39 PM
yeah..a second bet....:sad2

Damnz!! I hear ya, took it like a man though. It was a hellacious fight and there is no shame to JT for sure.

C Money
10-26-2007, 07:16 PM
Hall of Fame my arse. He did have a lot of talent, and there was no shame in losing to MAB, but the fact is he failed at the very top level.
A truly great fighter would have come back and taken on more of the top guys. He had the ability, but not the mettle.

He should have faced other elites and went out with dignity. Instead he had a very hard time with calvo and realized that he wast an elite level fighter.


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HOF??

:lol: Whatever!

brooklyn1550
10-26-2007, 08:24 PM
Agreed - Prince is a hall of famer.

Illmatic
10-26-2007, 08:44 PM
he had an easy time with Calvo, he got knocked and booed for not knocking him out. Thing is...no one knocks out Calvo.

Illmatic
10-28-2007, 11:56 PM
:bump

deal with the realness

Brooklyn Boxer
10-29-2007, 01:15 AM
I think the Prince is a first ballot hall of famer. The Prince made the most defenses of his featherweight championship ever. The prince only lost is to a all time Mexican legend in MAB. I don't hold the prince mental break down against him because he did the smart thing to retire if he didn't want to fight anymore. For what the prince did in the ring he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

the_what
10-29-2007, 01:21 AM
He brought million dollar paydays to the feathweight division. Fighters like MAB, Morales and Pacman should be grateful for what Hamed did. :yep

H .
10-29-2007, 01:34 AM
It is a shame Hamed didn't fight other elite fighters. Funny that he gets a lot of respect. I mean, look at all the other guys Mayweather beat, and folks keep bitching about him.

thesandman
10-29-2007, 01:39 AM
He fought ONE great fighter, and was embarrassed.

His biggest wins are over over the hill, or oversized 'good' opponenets.

First ballot HOFer? Nope. Maybe eventually down the road though.


Sorry, are you talking about Mike Tyson here?

Because there are many many parallels in their career, but I think Tyson absolutely walks into the HOF.