RAY ROBINSON Vs MAYWEATHER @ 147 [Archive]

Bill Butcher

10-27-2007, 02:51 PM

Strangely, I read somewhere that a boxer (cant remember who it is, a former floyd victim I believe) says that floyd`s boxing technique is so great that he`d fancy floyd vs ray robinson at 147 lbs.

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Im not saying srr is superman but what a fuckin torturing he would lay on mayweather, seriously.
Has this deadbeat not seen srr fight.

Ask lamotta, ali, joe louis, srl & many many many other fans, boxers & respected experts who would win this fight.

srr wouldnt get outspeeded & everything else goes in ray`s favour, speed was the best bet for floyd but even then he couldnt do enough.

Think of the 37 yr old srr landing one punch on gene fulhmer`s jaw & you tell me floyd even has a prayer vs a 27 or there abouts robinson @ welterweight.

Ive made this thread just because I know there are severe crackpots within the boxing fanbase & the vote probably wont go 100% in srr`s favour as it should in a sane world.

heidegger

10-27-2007, 02:52 PM

50/50 fight.

brooklyn1550

10-27-2007, 02:53 PM

Agreed

Floyd is a great fighter, but would be in over his head against Robinson at 147. Robinson was just as fast, could deal with Floyd's speed, had the power advantage, threw more combinations, and had a great jab. Floyd has the edge in defense, but it wouldn't be nearly enough to beat Robinson.

Maxmomer

10-27-2007, 03:05 PM

Would beat the living hell at of that little prozzie.

Bill Butcher

10-27-2007, 03:16 PM

50/50 fight.

Just as I thought, the world is full of head-bangers like you, no wonder cunts are commiting suicide left right & fuckin centre.
:-(

enquirer

10-27-2007, 03:34 PM

I believe it was paul maligniggi,a cotto victim,who uttered the immortal comments about floyd and robbie.....
Its beyond me how mayweather thinks he is the greatest of all time....

Shake

10-27-2007, 03:39 PM

Man against boy.

heidegger

10-27-2007, 03:45 PM

6 Division champ :happy

VIPERMAN

10-27-2007, 03:46 PM

not seen enough of the great srr to make a proper assessment but i'm sure pbf would be able to give him a fight.

kg0208

10-27-2007, 03:49 PM

PBF is a little small for WW and Robinson was a shade under 6ft. He matched PBF in speed and dwarfed him in power. I don't see a way for PBF to beat him.

PBF should be compared to ATG in the 130-140lbs divisions in fantasy matchups. Not WW IMO.

Popshots

10-27-2007, 03:51 PM

of course Robinson destroys him, why are we even having this thread. I like PBF, but not to the point of not being logical. That just like saying Hatton destroy RR at 147 he'd destroy both guys in one night.

Asterion

10-27-2007, 04:23 PM

BigReg

10-27-2007, 04:23 PM

No.

At 147 Robinson had the size and power advantage, as well as having similar speed with much more power behind it compared to what Floyd has at 147. Would be an interesting matchup, and I see Floyd lasting honestly, but no way I can see him winning, he would simply be outgunned.

I would assume that's what would happen. Has anyone seen any footage of SRR at 147? Every video I've seen of him was at 160 and 175

Asterion

10-27-2007, 04:25 PM

I would assume that's what would happen. Has anyone seen any footage of SRR at 147? Every video I've seen of him was at 160 and 175

I think there's no footage of Robinson at 147.

kg0208

10-27-2007, 04:25 PM

I would assume that's what would happen. Has anyone seen any footage of SRR at 147? Every video I've seen of him was at 160 and 175

I have seen him at 147 FIGHTING at MW :deal Not quite the same thing.

acb

10-27-2007, 04:26 PM

I would assume that's what would happen. Has anyone seen any footage of SRR at 147? Every video I've seen of him was at 160 and 175

Not much exists.

acb

10-27-2007, 04:27 PM

I think there's no footage of Robinson at 147.

Someone here posted a while back that some rare footage exists, I have not see it though.

VIPERMAN

10-27-2007, 04:47 PM

Come on.

Robinson was, according to historians, a beast at 147. Too fast, very powerful, very big and too skilled.

Welterweight is Floyd's 4th weight class.

Just as I think Robinson would beat anyone at 147, I think Floyd would beat anyone at 130.

But at 147....Robinson TKO11.

do you think prime pbf would beat prime roberto duran at lightweight?

saul_ir34

10-27-2007, 06:12 PM

HAHAHA why are we even having this thread from what i have seen of robinson at MW he was an animal there. imagine him 13 pounds lighter. its like matching up a Kelly Pavlik power and Cory Spinks speed vs a present PBF. it would be a massacre.

Bummy Davis

10-27-2007, 06:15 PM

RR KO in 2

4Rounder

10-27-2007, 06:17 PM

SRR by obviousness.

Thread Stealer

10-27-2007, 06:18 PM

There's some footage over Robinson @ WW, but not much.

booradley

10-28-2007, 12:52 AM

I think there are 3 welterweights who, at their best, beat the living shit out of PBF: Robinson, SRL, and Tommy Hearns. Robinson for all the reasons stated by others. SRL did every thing Floyd does only better, and 147 was his best division. Hearns would just be to strong and to big with to much reach for PBF: he'd just hunt him down and destroy him, a few of those left hooks to the body, and Floyd would be pissin' blood on the stool. Having said that, and it being well known that I can't stomach PBF at all, I will give him credit for being the best of this era.

The subject of PBF vs Duran at 135 also came up on this thread. I would have to take Duran by massacre. Against Arguello PBF might survive some scary moments to win a decision: Against a prime Duran he goes home early; real early.

Boo

Jbuz

10-28-2007, 12:57 AM

Would be a tight fight. But Ray is the superior fighter, and he would pull through. Infact, he is the one fighter (aside from Hearns) who I would favour to stop Floyd.

Chunk

10-28-2007, 01:02 AM

No.

WHY????? floyd beats duran and everyone else @130... as to the thread robinson wins @147 but at a lighter weight its an extremely tough fight!!...

chimba

10-28-2007, 01:07 AM

Would be a tight fight. But Ray is the superior fighter, and he would pull through. Infact, he is the one fighter (aside from Hearns) who I would favour to stop Floyd.

How bout SRL ??? Duran.?? .There is no scenario however imaginative you are that would have PBF winning these fights

Chunk

10-28-2007, 01:13 AM

How bout SRL ??? Duran.?? .There is no scenario however imaginative you are that would have PBF winning these fights

I Would have mayweather beating both!!...

Chunk

10-28-2007, 01:42 AM

!!!!!

Again with the exclamations. I just gave you my over-long analysis on how Duran beats him, though you don't seem the type to get much out of it, which is a shame, because I thought it was one of my finer efforts.

As far as Leonard. Leonard was bigger, stronger, more powerful, faster, had better combos, etc than Floyd at 147. Floyd can't win that fight.

mate this isnt an an english literary class,and i can write how i feel comfortable!!!!(ha ha) but there is no need to get smart! we are only discussing boxing a sport we BOTH SUPPOSEDLY love!

i think PBF wud have too much skill for duran and the fight wud go closer to the "NO MAS" fight with leonard did in PBF'S Favour

as for SRL i think they are a lot closer in ability than you do,and i think PBF has the edge in defence, a close fight that i think PBF wins maybe on SD

Silverfox

10-28-2007, 01:52 AM

Chunk

10-28-2007, 02:06 AM

Did you bother reading my post on Duran vs Mayweather? I think your views on Duran are a bit shallow, and that you need to see more of him. Duran against Leonard in the rematch was caused by a multitude of factors. For one, Duran was badly weight-drained and out of shape, which took away his drive and overall intent that he had in the first fight. Duran balooned up to 200 pounds in between the 1st and 2nd Leonard fights, which is why Leonard was so intent on having the rematch so soon, he knew Duran would not be at his best.

Also, in the rematch, Leonard moved and clowned. Floyd is all business in the ring, he wouldn't do that Leonard did. Duran was out of shape, and his opponent was clowning, not fighting. Also, he basically had to take a shit. Excuses excuses, I know, but the fact is, Floyd would neither fight like Leonard did, nor would Duran be at the state he was in the rematch, because we are talking a prime Duran here, and a 135 Duran, not 147, which he was in the rematch with Leonard.

As for how the fight goes, read the above post. And do a bit more research on Duran, he was so much more than what you seem to think of him. Not every boxer who was slick made him quit. Again, that was caused by a few factors coming together. In his prime, and even past his prime when he still had the fire(which he clearly didn't in the Leonard rematch) he did amazing things. Watch Duran at LW, where he was thought of by many as unbeatable. I personally favor only one of all time at the weight to beat him, and it ain't Floyd.

One thing I'll tell you though, the No Mas fight was nothing to judge Duran on, he was far more than that.

im sure he was mate! i have seen a few duran fights not a lot but a few,nobody becomes an ATG by being a one trick pony and the other LW WOULD HAVE TO BE BENNY LEONARD! only one capable,however i dont think duran would have been able to land enough on PBF seriously hurt him!

Jason997

10-28-2007, 02:15 AM

Floyd Mayweather, even though most of us don't like him is one of the craftiest fighters of all time. He competes with anyone from 154 down in boxing history. Probably gives up too much in power here and is matched in speed.

- Jason

Jbuz

10-28-2007, 02:36 AM

How bout SRL ??? Duran.?? .There is no scenario however imaginative you are that would have PBF winning these fights

I don't think SRL would stop Floyd. He would decision him though. The Duran of Montreal probably would stop Floyd, beast of a fighter that night.

stuistylee

10-28-2007, 02:42 AM

4 the 100th time srr blitzes floyd...

codeman99998

10-28-2007, 03:37 AM

Jbuz

10-28-2007, 03:48 AM

Yeah... it's not really a fair fight. It's like comparing Sugar Ray Leonard versus Roy Jones Jr. at Light heavyweight. They both fought at that weight, sure, and they were both good at that weight, but it doesn't REALLY make them the same size.

Not really. Many people argue Floyd is at or near his best at 147, despite being a bit slower. Leonard at 175 was a bloody novelty.

Bill Butcher

10-28-2007, 07:45 AM

Robinson came to fight. No, let me rephrase that...to destroy. He fought the fight. Didn't pussyfoot around, rope-a-dope style like PBF. Nobody survived that left hook.

I'm 62 yo and have seen nearly all of them. SRR was in my opinion, the greatest pound for pound, ever! PBF couldn't shine his shoes!

Reviewing my video library, I give Sugar Ray Leonard my nod at coming in second and then Roberto Duran, in the two lowest weight classes he fought in. Hagler is there with them.

In those times, there was only one champion!

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Great footage, seen most of it on the srr p4p video (check it out if you havent seen it)

Robinson was the best ever p4p & would be way too much for floyd, I just dont see floyd going the distance in this 1, I give floyd credit for being the best p4p in the last 10 yrs but ray gives him a terrible beating & Id pay A LOT to see it, he could do everything & he had everything a fighter needs, way to much for mayweather, way to much.

Robinson KO 7 Mayweather

Rise Above

10-28-2007, 07:49 AM

Mayweather is too small for Robinson and would struggle to not get KO'd let alone win.

ko factor

10-28-2007, 07:59 AM

It looks like unanimously everybody picks SRR over Floyd at WW which I agree. I heard that that SRR was undefeated at WW during his time is this true?

heidegger

10-28-2007, 08:03 AM

Why is it that the greatest lights in every division are are from the classical era and only conveyed to us in black and whit footage? Were they really better or do we tend to reverence the past?

john garfield

10-28-2007, 09:29 AM

I would assume that's what would happen. Has anyone seen any footage of SRR at 147? Every video I've seen of him was at 160 and 175

I saw SRR live at '47, BR. What historians, and guys on this thread, are sayin' about him is no exaggeration. He was like watchin' Michael Jordan on a hot night.

Duodenum

10-28-2007, 10:49 AM

I would assume that's what would happen. Has anyone seen any footage of SRR at 147? Every video I've seen of him was at 160 and 175Yes, many years ago, I saw a brief televised clip of SRR making his final WW Title defense against Charlie Fusari in 1950. While my recall of the program which showed it is not vivid, it was part of a montage of clips showing past great welterweight champions leading into a live WW fight broadcast.

The commentator providing the narrative for the footage was not Howard Cosell. That much I do know for certain. The voice may have been that of ABC's Keith Jackson or Chris Schenkle, and if this is correct, then ESPN probably has possession of it. It was slow motion action showing Robinson delivering a long right hand counter in ring center. Considering who the subject was, I'd imagine that the entire match was filmed and preserved. (This black and white clip did not look like kinescope material, although the quality was not particularly good. But those old films would look a great deal better on modern plasma HDTV.)

As popular as SRR was in popular culture at the time, it's an awful lot to swallow that no footage of him was shot after WW II, and prior to the Fusari match.

brooklyn1550

10-28-2007, 10:55 AM

Both Duran and Leonard beat Mayweather

Bummy Davis

10-28-2007, 11:42 AM

Floyd is not a match for Sugar Ray Leonard, never mind Robinson, I would bet my house that Duran would Ko Floyd and Robinson beat guys that were better than Floyd weekly. I think Floyd is a great little fighter for today but he has yet to be tested with a great fighter with power, like Duran,Hearns,Leonard, even a Benitez....Hatton does not have Duran's power but if he fights relentless and goes to the body, you will see an indictcation of what Duran would do to him

Maxmomer

10-28-2007, 12:34 PM

im sure he was mate! i have seen a few duran fights not a lot but a few,nobody becomes an ATG by being a one trick pony and the other LW WOULD HAVE TO BE BENNY LEONARD! only one capable,however i dont think duran would have been able to land enough on PBF seriously hurt him!

You're a fucktard.

swedeone

10-28-2007, 12:38 PM

I believe Ray Robinson is dead. These two fighters can not fight.
Just wanted keep you up-to-date. :yep

Scar

10-28-2007, 01:10 PM

SRR wins this for sure, at 147 SRR was faster and bigger, not to forget his legendary skills.

Amsterdam

10-28-2007, 01:18 PM

SRR wins this for sure, at 147 SRR was faster and bigger, not to forget his legendary skills.

Mayweather has more skills. Most people posting about SRR are just posting from either seeing highlight clips or just hearing the talk through the grapevine.

And Mayweather wins by TKO at that. Different era's, Mayweather's much more evolved.

Toopretty

10-28-2007, 01:53 PM

acb

10-28-2007, 01:59 PM

Mayweather has more skills. Most people posting about SRR are just posting from either seeing highlight clips or just hearing the talk through the grapevine.

And Mayweather wins by TKO at that. Different era's, Mayweather's much more evolved.

Ok thats bullshit.

Mayweather has one attribute (defense) which I would rate above SRR, and thats it.

Ray Robinson had a size advantage, power advantage, and was at least just as fast as PBF.

His combinations were brutal, he fought with malice intentions. He had one of the best left hooks in the history of boxing. In fact, I can not think of one punch that Mayweather uses better than SRR. SRR's footwork was top notch... do I need to continue.

Your a very good poster, and you know boxing, but you hate on old fighters and its out of control.

acb

10-28-2007, 02:01 PM

ironchamp

10-28-2007, 02:03 PM

Come on.

Robinson was, according to historians, a beast at 147. Too fast, very powerful, very big and too skilled.

Welterweight is Floyd's 4th weight class.

Just as I think Robinson would beat anyone at 147, I think Floyd would beat anyone at 130.

But at 147....Robinson TKO11.

According being the operative word.

I favor Robinson, but its not a given. In fact its possible that Mayweather could out point him.

Doomas

10-28-2007, 02:07 PM

I think, prime Mosley can win vs Floyd at 147 (its possible that even todays Mosley have a chance at beating him).
So theres should be no question that SRR can beat him.

acb

10-28-2007, 02:58 PM

I don't know about Arum, but as far as the general point of your post goes, you're blatantly lying.

And he still hasnt answered my question.

cardstars

10-28-2007, 03:13 PM

SRR murders Floyd @147 (I go stoppage....BLOODY stoppage). Next question

SgrRyLeonard

10-28-2007, 03:50 PM

It looks like unanimously everybody picks SRR over Floyd at WW which I agree. I heard that that SRR was undefeated at WW during his time is this true?

Yes, it's true that Robinson never lost a fight at WW. His only losses were at Middleweight and his Light Heavweight title loss to Joey Maxim. Robinson is better than anyone Mayweather has ever fought, and would break him down.

C Money

10-28-2007, 04:34 PM

It wouldnt happen:nono Floyd WOULD NOT FACE a Prime 47 SRR....no way in hell:lol:

If he was somehow forced to? He get a mid round TKO Loss for his effort.

SRR was everything Floyd is times at least 3:yep

Ohhhh.... how i wish it were POSSIBLE:good :good :good

Then the last few will watch the Floyd "fans" turn on themselves like rabid animals.:rofl

RAY!!! ALL DAY.....EVERY DAY!!!!

Same thing for Ray Leonard as well. The SRL that beat Hearns at 47??
WOULD GUARANTEED KNOCK FLOYD"S LITTLE ASS OUT ON December 8th.:good

mightyd40

10-28-2007, 04:45 PM

Mayweather has more skills. Most people posting about SRR are just posting from either seeing highlight clips or just hearing the talk through the grapevine.

And Mayweather wins by TKO at that. Different era's, Mayweather's much more evolved.
ok i agree with the whole evolution vibe u are going off of at times but u seriously act like ray robinson was prehistoric. he fought with modern rules and is not only the greatest 147 fighter ever....he is the best overall fighter ever. his skills are not outdated enough to be beat by floyd. maybe when we as humans evolve to the point of having metal arms will i agree with u.

ray robinson ud or late stoppage....floyd does make a fight out of it however.

rendog67

10-28-2007, 05:25 PM

2 ATGs fighting. it would be a great matchup. i would go for SRR though

SugarRay

10-28-2007, 10:25 PM

Why is it that the greatest lights in every division are are from the classical era and only conveyed to us in black and whit footage? Were they really better or do we tend to reverence the past?

I'm sure you would be able to find coloured footages of Ali, Duran, etc...

George W Hedge

10-29-2007, 10:00 AM

Those who doubt mayweather dont know shit about boxing. People that been in the boxing game for IONS say he is the best they have seen. No, not the best of right now. But the best they have seen since a Ray Leonard. Ask Bob Arum who hates Floyds guts, but still said this.

Being called the best SINCE ray leonard doesnt qualify you to BEAT ray robinson.

I rate mayweather the best since probably chavez & whitaker but the best since srl is pushing it a bit.

Robinson is arguably the best combination puncher ever & floyd rarely throws a combo, srr was just as fast, hit harder & had a size advantage that wouldnt even be necessary in this fight.

SRR is the greatest of all greats & to me this is a mismatch only worthy of viewing to see floyd get his balls smashed in.... no way on gods earth does floyd have a chance in this fight.

I would be in deep shock if mayweather even lost close to ray.

Robinson KO5 Mayweather jr

:good

igotJUIC3

10-29-2007, 10:30 AM

its unfortunate for modern fighters to fight past ATG's becuase most blindly side with the ATG just becuase the tittle. ATG's have earned their tittle no doubt but all im saying is their era is their era and to say they walk all over todays fighters is not a good assessment. Bottom line is this....PBF may not win any of those fights with Duran,Hagler,Leonard, or Robinson but FLOYD is just as talented as all of them and more so with a few of them....he is a smart fighter a very smart fighter who studies the game knows his opponents before he comes in the ring....i can see Floyd going 12 with any of them the only one i would consider ending early would have to be Robinson because he would be way to big for PBF.....I also think a prime Oscar stands a fair chance agaisnt them, Sugar Shane stands a fair chance, Roy Jones definitely in regards to Robinson at least, Benard hopkins definitely, Winky Wright, Kosta, Whitaker, all these fighters definitely stand a chance agaisnt these ATG's so although i know they are great fighters i do not blindly side with them as if they walkthough todays fighters like most are seeming.

Monstar

10-29-2007, 10:31 AM

real talk.. mayweather fans be tripping me out, i mean da *****s a good boxer... correction a great boxer... but there's more then a few welterweights in history that would take him out @ 147... so to say that he would be the GOAT @ 147 is ridiculous, i mean.. i dont like floyd, but i give credit were its due.. and i cant say that he deserves them in this fight