View Full Version : Khan v Earl - The verbals have started!
According to FWTV, Khan & Earl's press conference yesterday resulted in a slanging match with ****** having to intervene as the pair traded insults.
Khan is quoted as saying "I have never wanted to fight anyone who I have wanted to shut up as much as him".
Earl said he hoped victory would pave the way to a rematch against Katsidis which prompted Khan to suggest he should have called it quits after being retired on his stool earlier this year. "The best thing he could have done is pack up there and then. I am going to make him retire. He'll be having flashbacks" said Khan.
Earl hit back insisting he was going to hand Khan his first defeat and doing it in his own (Khan's) backyard will make it all the sweeter. He said "its a fight the public want to see, it needs to be dealt with. Its been brewing for a while and I've got to give credit to him for stepping up to the plate".
Earl said he has found a new lease of life after reuniting with former trainer Jimmy Turner. "There was a time not so long ago when I fell out of love with this business but I have got the hunger back. Losing is not an option".
No love lost there it would seem!
Betty Swollocks
10-30-2007, 09:08 AM
Khan is a wanker. He's ridiculously overrated too and unless Earl is totally shot I see him as favourite here and expect him to KO Khan as soon as he lands on that egg chin.
Max Molyneux
10-30-2007, 09:12 AM
Khan actually able to have a verbel slanging match!
Now thats suprising.
The Lads
10-30-2007, 09:12 AM
get some dollars on it then, becasue Earl is / was something like 4 or 5 - 1 against. Khan will beat him though imo. What anight for boxing Dec 8th is going to be.
Betty Swollocks
10-30-2007, 09:24 AM
get some dollars on it then, becasue Earl is / was something like 4 or 5 - 1 against. Khan will beat him though imo. What anight for boxing Dec 8th is going to be.
I'm surprised to have just seen 6/1 Earl. To be honest I've only seen him against Katsidis and may be overrating him and the Aussie from that fight. I'm very confident Khan will be exposed long before he gets to the top....the problem is I'm not sure of Earl's level. Is he a step up from Willie Limond?
I would appreciate a bit more info on Earl. How did he lose to Ricky Burns?
The Lads
10-30-2007, 09:40 AM
He's a big step up fomr Limmond, has beaten a whole host of domestic fighters and holds a win over romanov. You're not wrong to believe he's a huge fight for khan, but I dont think Frank would risk Amir on home soil unless he could see Earl had been severly dented following his defeat to Kastidis, during which he took some heavy heavy shots.
Having met him once or twice I like Amir, and I think he'll beat Earl as I do see solid improvment since Limmond. However, I think I'll put £20 down on Earl at 6/1 as those prices are silly.
Big Ears
10-30-2007, 09:46 AM
He's a big step up fomr Limmond, has beaten a whole host of domestic fighters and holds a win over romanov. You're not wrong to believe he's a huge fight for khan, but I dont think Frank would risk Amir on home soil unless he could see Earl had been severly dented following his defeat to Kastidis, during which he took some heavy heavy shots.
Having met him once or twice I like Amir, and I think he'll beat Earl as I do see solid improvment since Limmond. However, I think I'll put £20 down on Earl at 6/1 as those prices are silly.
I think Earl is actually a step down from Limond , he's more suited to Khan and to answer how Burns beat him............easily . Boxed his ears off all night through angles and keeping the fight at range .
Betty Swollocks
10-30-2007, 09:48 AM
He's a big step up fomr Limmond, has beaten a whole host of domestic fighters and holds a win over romanov. You're not wrong to believe he's a huge fight for khan, but I dont think Frank would risk Amir on home soil unless he could see Earl had been severly dented following his defeat to Kastidis, during which he took some heavy heavy shots.
Having met him once or twice I like Amir, and I think he'll beat Earl as I do see solid improvment since Limmond. However, I think I'll put £20 down on Earl at 6/1 as those prices are silly.
OK, thanks very much for the info.
I guess he had a bad night against Ricky Burns. Just hope ****** has miscalculated and Earl still has something after taking those shots from Katsidis.
Big Ears
10-30-2007, 10:00 AM
OK, thanks very much for the info.
I guess he had a bad night against Ricky Burns. Just hope ****** has miscalculated and Earl still has something after taking those shots from Katsidis.
He didn't have a bad night , the same would happen if they were to fight again . He just couldn't cope with Burns skill and the result probably should of been 80-72 Burns .
His best win(over Romanov) although impressive was over a very rusty Romanov who imo still won the fight(I scored it to Romanov by a point) .
Romanov would of stopped Earl had he been sharp and active , he had Earl hurt several times but just wasn't sharp enough to put him away .
Romanov seemed to lose the early rounds but improved with each round getting better and better(a clear sign he was rusty) and took most of the late ones .
Earl's win over Angel Hugo Ramirez was controversial and could have easily went either way ,quite a few here think he lost to the domestic level Super Featherweight . I admittedly didn't see all the fight(fell asleep:oops:) but Ramirez was winning before I drifted off and had hurt Earl a few times .
Both his wins over Bobby Vanzie are very controversial , most believe Vanzie won both fights .
I do like Earl and wish him all the best against Khan , but he is extremely limited and possibly shot . John Honney ran him close and he was floored against Kevin Bennett .
His record could easily read 21-6-0 .
Khan will probably put him away before the half way stage...........then comments will follow from some that he is World class because of that(with Earl having fought for a 'World title') .
Betty Swollocks
10-30-2007, 10:07 AM
He didn't have a bad night , the same would happen if they were to fight again . He just couldn't cope with Burns skill and the result probably should of been 80-72 Burns .
His best win(over Romanov) although impressive was over a very rusty Romanov who imo still won the fight(I scored it to Romanov by a point) .
Romanov would of stopped Earl had he been sharp and active , he had Earl hurt several times but just wasn't sharp enough to put him away .
Romanov seemed to lose the early rounds but improved with each round getting better and better(a clear sign he was rusty) and took most of the late ones .
Earl's win over Angel Hugo Ramirez was controversial and could have easily went either way ,quite a few here think he lost to the domestic level Super Featherweight . I admittedly didn't see all the fight(fell asleep:oops:) but Ramirez was winning before I drifted off and had hurt Earl a few times .
Both his wins over Bobby Vanzie are very controversial , most believe Vanzie won both fights .
I do like Earl and wish him all the best against Khan , but he is extremely limited and possibly shot . John Honney ran him close and he was floored against Kevin Bennett .
His record could easily read 21-6-0 .
Khan will probably put him away before the half way stage...........then comments will follow from some that he is World class because of that(with Earl having fought for a 'World title') .
OK, ....thanks for the alvernative view Big Ears.
I was a bit surprised at the timing of this press conference - thought Khan might opt to keep a lower profile at the moment.
During the past fortnight the headlines have been all about his court cases - one of which is still outstanding.
I was even more surprised to see him on Sky TV ringside at the Jamie Moore fight on Friday having not turned up to court earlier the very same day for the alleged 140mph speeding offence and failing to produce. The Judge warned Khan could be arrested if he fails to show up again.
I just wonder where Khan is getting his guidance from? A no show at court after being found guilty of careless driving earlier that week and receiving a 6 month ban and £1,000 fine is not the wisest move.
He is due in court again this Friday and all these distractions can't be the ideal preparation for what I believe will be his biggest test yet - perhaps Earl can take advantage?
The Lads
10-30-2007, 11:11 AM
Khan will probably put him away before the half way stage...........then comments will follow from some that he is World class because of that(with Earl having fought for a 'World title') .
I think that depends on two things.
1) If earl looks good, not shot and rusty
2) If Khan finshes him with better style that kastidis
Kastidis is without doubt fringe world class. He isnt in that top echelon of fighter, but he's solid fringe world class. If Earl isnt shot himself and yet is destroyed by Khan then I think we have to take a little note and start giving him some real props. Its a shame that if Khan wins, and wins big, everyone will say Earl was shot. Its a little bit of a no win situation for Amir.
As a side Earl is better than Limmond IMO. he;s consistently beaten better opposition. I also disagree in relation to the romanov fight, Earl boxed beutifuly and took the fight by a round or two on my card, although granted some of the rounds were close. How easy it is to look with hindsight on romanovs performance, but IMO Earl fought the fight of his life and didnt allow him to box like he can. Im not disagreeing with the fact Romanov wasnt on top top form, hell he'd been out of action for 18 months - 24 months (wasnt it?) but people are disregarding Earls performance a little too easily.
oe thing for sure. Its a bloody good fight for Amir, or any prospect. Earl will be coming to fight and coming to win.
nufc16
10-30-2007, 12:36 PM
Burns may well beat earl if they fight again, but you cant really say he was fully focused for that fight. they went into his dressing room after the fight to interview him and he was under the impression he'd lost his title, and even then didnt seem that bothered. the sky man had to remind him that it was a non title fight.
if he fights with the same heart and courage he did against romanov and katsidis then he'll be a danger. but only if khan hasnt learnt from the limond fight.
i wouldn't say earl is a step up or down from limond. they are just completely different types of fighter. based on achievement you'd probably rank earl who is a natural lightweight higher than limond.
but anyway, i'm sure even if khan blows earl away, any credit will be taken away from khan with the usual "shot" accusations.
curry
10-30-2007, 01:26 PM
The choice of Referee will be interesting. Will he allow Earl come through Khans Fast hand attacks this is usually a cue for ref to jump in.
Will the referee be so quick to stop Amir if Earl has Khan under attack.
faisal
10-30-2007, 01:46 PM
if the fight goes past the 5th khan will get KTFO
The choice of Referee will be interesting. Will he allow Earl come through Khans Fast hand attacks this is usually a cue for ref to jump in.
Will the referee be so quick to stop Amir if Earl has Khan under attack.
khans stoppages have been ok but the medjaji fight was kinda dodgey
moff123
10-30-2007, 02:10 PM
What if he stops Earl before katsidis did? Do you think people will sit up and take notice?
Claypole
10-30-2007, 02:35 PM
If Khan said that Earl should have retired after the Katsidis fight, then why is he fighting him?
stuey
10-30-2007, 02:42 PM
this fight is a total no brainer for me.
khan is too quick, too big and too skilled for earl, all the talk about earl being a banger is hype too, mainly coming from earl himself.
take it from me, save your money cause 6-1 might as well be 600-1, earl is getting the granny beat out of him inside 2.
Danny
10-30-2007, 02:52 PM
Khan will have too much for Earl in my view. Graham said if he can't beat Amir, then he may aswell hang up the gloves. Well, I'm here to tell you that Earl will be retiring come Dec 8th!
Khan has too much speed, is getting stronger with time. It's all about Khan-Thaxton early next year!
Max Molyneux
10-30-2007, 03:11 PM
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Come onnnn Earl!
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Claypole
10-30-2007, 03:22 PM
****** couldn't pronounce Katsidis properly. And what was that rubbish about the winner being the No.1 lightweight despite what Thaxton thinks?
Bring on the hype, never mind the reality!
Max Molyneux
10-30-2007, 03:24 PM
Ramirez didn;t win against Earl, I scored that 7 rounds to 5.
If Earl's defence was more than covering up and tucking the elbows, he could be better.
Max Molyneux
10-30-2007, 03:27 PM
this fight is a total no brainer for me.
khan is too quick, too big and too skilled for earl, all the talk about earl being a banger is hype too, mainly coming from earl himself.
take it from me, save your money cause 6-1 might as well be 600-1, earl is getting the granny beat out of him inside 2.
Khan has skill?
He's still speed reliant at the moment, lacks the heard movement and also can be hit by straight rights.
He's still speed reliant at the moment
Thats one of the reasons he keeps ending up in court!
Healy
10-30-2007, 05:13 PM
Im a fan of Earl in the ring, but he has got my backing now that iv heard him talk out of the ring. Sounds like an honest lad, well spoken, not big headed and the person that will hopefully end the bulshit that is Amir Khan
faisal
10-30-2007, 05:56 PM
i don't like the way amir talked to earl, earl was pretty reserved khan was just totally out of character, i cant wait to see if he can stand by all those harsh words come december
Dunky McCafferty
10-30-2007, 06:25 PM
guys. This fight will be a mismatch. Earl has seen better days, & is coming off a systematic beating by Katsidis. It was a brave performance by earl, many boxers would have quit, but Earl kept going, & even scored a flash knockdown. But lets be realistic, he took a ridiculous amount of clean punches, & to be honest I was worried for Earl after the fight.
earl at his best wasnt exactly unbeatable either, remember most thought he lost to Bobby Vanzie twice, then he was handed his first defeat againt Ricky Burns who at the time was only a 9 fight novice, was brought in to fight Earl at 48 hours notice, & Ricky had to step un in weight, but still managed to easily outbox Earl.
Kevin Bennet also had earl out on his feet, & Earl was one punch away from being knocked out by Bennett. Earl also clearly lost to Ramirez last year, but got the decision. Another fight where he recieved a lot of punishment. Without a doubt earls best win was against Romanov. However you could make the argument that Romanov was ring rusty, & he too seemed to hurt earl in the later rounds. However, it was a great win for Earl & I would never try to take that away from him.
Also, people make the HUGE mistake of underrating Willie Limond, who I feel is a better fighter than Graham Earl Despite Earls great win over Romanov & the fact Earl held a better title than Limond. I also feel Earl will be at a huge height disadvantage, Khan is about five inches bigger than Earl, & surely will have a much longer reach than the short armed smaller Earl, & the reach advantage Khan has will be a huge factor IMO.
Khan to win in the first half of a one sided fight.
dwilson
10-30-2007, 06:43 PM
Khan's biggest test by far. A good match up. A lot is being made of Earl's last loss but personally I do not think it will bother him much and he could be able to pull off the stoppage.
doggyland
10-30-2007, 06:48 PM
Khan is a wanker. He's ridiculously overrated too and unless Earl is totally shot I see him as favourite here and expect him to KO Khan as soon as he lands on that egg chin.
Perfect caveat there :happy
Earl was imo beaten by Romanov and will be bashed up by a slick boxer type.
Max Molyneux
10-30-2007, 06:51 PM
guys. This fight will be a mismatch. Earl has seen better days, & is coming off a systematic beating by Katsidis. It was a brave performance by earl, many boxers would have quit, but Earl kept going, & even scored a flash knockdown. But lets be realistic, he took a ridiculous amount of clean punches, & to be honest I was worried for Earl after the fight.
Khan to win in the first half of a one sided fight.
He could of won that Katsidis fight.
Aye, he was going through a war, but so was Kat and Earl was competitive against Kat. Kat's legs were jelly like for a couple of seconds as he got up from Earl putting him down.
Kat was also tiring while Earl laid on the ropes landing hook after hook on Kat's chin.
Nah, Earl beat Ramirez 7 rounds to 5. Was a clear win.
Claypole
10-30-2007, 07:05 PM
He could of won that Katsidis fight.
Luck for Earl you were not in his corner.
Max Molyneux
10-30-2007, 07:08 PM
Kat was starting to gas and took alot of hooks of Earl. Earl was takings lots but preserved his stamina laying on the ropes covering up following with heavy hooks on Kat's easy to hit chin.
Eames threw In the towel as soon as the 1st round.:-(
Max Molyneux
10-30-2007, 07:08 PM
Earl would win on the Inside.
If Earl can keep his guard tight during Khan's fast flurries and not have his guard broke open then maybe he can get on the Inside and rough Khan up.
He should not box with Khan like he did against Burns, boxing tall fighters who work off a jab doesn't work for him
Strike
10-30-2007, 07:20 PM
guys. This fight will be a mismatch. Earl has seen better days, & is coming off a systematic beating by Katsidis. It was a brave performance by earl, many boxers would have quit, but Earl kept going, & even scored a flash knockdown. But lets be realistic, he took a ridiculous amount of clean punches, & to be honest I was worried for Earl after the fight.
earl at his best wasnt exactly unbeatable either, remember most thought he lost to Bobby Vanzie twice, then he was handed his first defeat againt Ricky Burns who at the time was only a 9 fight novice, was brought in to fight Earl at 48 hours notice, & Ricky had to step un in weight, but still managed to easily outbox Earl.
Kevin Bennet also had earl out on his feet, & Earl was one punch away from being knocked out by Bennett. Earl also clearly lost to Ramirez last year, but got the decision. Another fight where he recieved a lot of punishment. Without a doubt earls best win was against Romanov. However you could make the argument that Romanov was ring rusty, & he too seemed to hurt earl in the later rounds. However, it was a great win for Earl & I would never try to take that away from him.
Also, people make the HUGE mistake of underrating Willie Limond, who I feel is a better fighter than Graham Earl Despite Earls great win over Romanov & the fact Earl held a better title than Limond. I also feel Earl will be at a huge height disadvantage, Khan is about five inches bigger than Earl, & surely will have a much longer reach than the short armed smaller Earl, & the reach advantage Khan has will be a huge factor IMO.
Khan to win in the first half of a one sided fight.
The only part of that I disagree with is saying he got a "flash knockdown" against Katsidis. Katsidis may have been up fairly quickly but he was in a bad way, out on his feet when he got up and was lucky not to be stopped.
It doesn't mean anything in regards to this fight, but it does mean I expect Katsidis to get done at the top level too.
BoppaZoo
10-30-2007, 08:20 PM
The only part of that I disagree with is saying he got a "flash knockdown" against Katsidis. Katsidis may have been up fairly quickly but he was in a bad way, out on his feet when he got up and was lucky not to be stopped.
It doesn't mean anything in regards to this fight, but it does mean I expect Katsidis to get done at the top level too.This board is becoming a joke.
Katsidis was hurt really bad and in a bad way. from what i saw he quickly went to his knees regained his composeur and then knocked Earl down again.
And as for Flexstuff saying Katsidis is shit well he has a belt a world title belt and has potential fights lined up with David Diaz or Juan Diaz next.
As for Khan he is just getting past guys like Willie Limond a natural Featherweight.
Call me crazy but by many of the HBO crew calling Katsidis the next Gatti i would hardly call that being shit.
I really hope Earl catch's Khan bad and mess's him up just so we can say theres another Audley Harrison.
Katsidis is shit but having fought in 2 fights within the space of 8 months he gave us 2 fights for contenders of FOTY by Ring.
Yet he is shit and shit for boxing grow a F_ING brain flexstuff your getting tired.
Big Ears
10-30-2007, 09:06 PM
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Katsidis was hurt but nowhere near being stopped .
Taffyy
10-30-2007, 09:14 PM
After reading this I tend to agree with Big Ears.........As it happens someone whos is one of the few I really respect on here.......
Kahn, Overated yes but still good enough to deal with whatever can be thrown at him domestically for now
David UK
10-30-2007, 09:22 PM
Khan is far too good for the likes of Graham Earl. Khan to win inside four one sided rounds
Strike
10-31-2007, 07:59 AM
This board is becoming a joke.
Katsidis was hurt really bad and in a bad way. from what i saw he quickly went to his knees regained his composeur and then knocked Earl down again.
Why is it becoming a joke? I am not a biased poster and I have not called Katsidis shit or anything else. He got sloppy and got caught, he was badly hurt. You might think he took a quick knee, fine, his legs look gone to me and he is in a bad way, but credit to him he gritted his teeth and came through it and then dominated the fight.
But his chin looks vunerable.
This board has long been a joke in the way most people revise history, like Tszyu going from being the man before he fought Hatton to being old, shot, past it and so on once he lost.
Like Lacy being a fearsome destroyer before he fought Calzaghe and then becoming overrated, green, one dimensional straight after.
I give credit where it is due, I will rewatch the knockdown but I highly doubt I will see much different.
Strike
10-31-2007, 08:08 AM
Okay watched it again.
He is dropped at 1.44 and Vann waves for the action to continue at 1.27....so 17 seconds of time elapsed for Katsidis to recover and recover he did. I was over the top in saying he was nearly stopped, by the time action started again his head had cleared a good bit and Earl was still shaky himself.
But the fight should have been waved back on at about 1.33 at the latest, even allowing for sending Earl to the corner, really once the count started, he should have been checked at 8 (so 1.36 on the clock) and then waved back on..so that fighting resumed by 1.34 or as I said 1.33 LATEST.
At the 1.36 on the clock Kat is still wobbling about and his legs are very shaky.
toffeejack
10-31-2007, 09:20 AM
Cocky Overrated prick.
I would love to see Earl spark him out on his birthday in front of his own fans. It would almost be as good as seeing Hatton KO PBF later in the night.
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IronBull
10-31-2007, 09:44 AM
Earl to Khan - "I've got Present!!!"
Khan to Earl - "You are my Present!!!" haha...Earl looked uneasy Khan looked cool with the smack talk...
GO ON AMIR!! :D
Khan's trainer Oliver Harrison is going to be busy come Dec 8th!
According to reports out today, Jamie Moore will challenge for the European Light Middleweight Title when he fights against unbeaten Zaurbek Baysangurov.
Rival promoters ****** and Maloney are expected to agree timings that would allow Harrison to be in the corner for both the Khan and Moore fights although one is in Bolton and the other in Wigan!
Moore's fight will top the bill in the british half of an all night Sky Sports programme.
Dec 8th - boxing fans are certainly going to have plenty to choose from!
Earl to Khan - "I've got Present!!!"
Khan to Earl - "You are my Present!!!" haha...Earl looked uneasy Khan looked cool with the smack talk...
GO ON AMIR!! :D
Khan looked cool?
Thought he came across as a bit of a fool.
Earl, on the other hand, looked quite composed in comparison to Khan in that first press conference clip.
There are times when Khan's conduct is unrecognisable to me compared to the modest young guy who represented us so well at the Olympics.
Its a shame the fame seems to have got to him.
Khan looked cool?
Thought he came across as a bit of a fool.
Earl, on the other hand, looked quite composed in comparison to Khan in that first press conference clip.
There are times when Khan's conduct is unrecognisable to me compared to the modest young guy who represented us so well at the Olympics.
Its a shame the fame seems to have got to him.
cool / fool / conference clip / olympics...
i had no idea you were a rapper.
but anyway, i think when khan talks like this its just a (bad) act. i don't think he's too good at playing the cocky type and it doesn't come across as funny as he thinks.
i think he should win this fight though but i wouldn't suprised to see him dropped on the way to a tko victory
mike464
10-31-2007, 01:40 PM
Come on Earl!!
The Kurgan
10-31-2007, 02:17 PM
Khan actually able to have a verbel slanging match!
Now thats suprising.
He was lucky that Earl is the only person in British boxing who is even less articulate than Khan is.
cool / fool / conference clip / olympics...
i had no idea you were a rapper.
but anyway, i think when khan talks like this its just a (bad) act. i don't think he's too good at playing the cocky type and it doesn't come across as funny as he thinks.
i think he should win this fight though but i wouldn't suprised to see him dropped on the way to a tko victory
Couldn't you tell?
I'm MC Elle!
I agree with you on both points -
Khan should drop the bravado act and use more tact.
I do expect him to beat 'The Duke' but a knockdown on the way would be no fluke.
Over to you Rooq! :good
Maza1987
10-31-2007, 03:48 PM
amir will knock this guy the fug out
and any other british lightweight
Claypole
10-31-2007, 04:13 PM
amir will knock this guy the fug out
and any other british lightweightWell, Baz carey took him the distance. In fact, how many actual KO's does Khan have on his record? I'll tell you, NONE.
All of his stoppages have been by TKO, and there has been no sign that he is a big puncher. The only time he has faced anything other than moderate opposition he very nearly came unstuck.
Amir Khan may have talent, but the delerious praise that people heap upon him is frankly a little embarrasing.
Dunky McCafferty
10-31-2007, 10:25 PM
The only part of that I disagree with is saying he got a "flash knockdown" against Katsidis. Katsidis may have been up fairly quickly but he was in a bad way, out on his feet when he got up and was lucky not to be stopped.
your right strike, my memory of the fight as I had only seen it the once when it was on live was that Katsidis got hit, went down, got straight back up & normal service was resumed.
However, after seeing it again thanks to the links, you were correct. When Katsidis got back up he was on shaky legs for a while, & no doubt was hurt.
BoppaZoo
10-31-2007, 11:03 PM
My feeling was he must not have been to hurt if he Knocked Earl down again which he did. And was landing again and again.
His feet might not have been there but his hands and punching rate sure was.
Betty Swollocks
10-31-2007, 11:18 PM
Earl to Khan - "I've got Present!!!"
Khan to Earl - "You are my Present!!!" haha...Earl looked uneasy Khan looked cool with the smack talk...
GO ON AMIR!! :D
:lol: you kidding? Khan sounds a shambling buffoon every time he tries to be funny or witty. To make matters worse he clearly sees himself as a funny man...it's embarrasing.
opponent 'i'm gonna take you to a dark place'
Khan 'I already went to the haunted house yesterday'...hahahahaha.
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Dunky McCafferty
10-31-2007, 11:20 PM
My feeling was he must not have been to hurt if he Knocked Earl down again which he did. And was landing again and again.
His feet might not have been there but his hands and punching rate sure was.
hey my man, Im not arguing that Katsidis won the fight, & deservedly. I just think he was a bit more hurt than I originally thought but thats no big deal as when its a mad war like that was, both fighters are always going to have to come though dodgy moments. I just said originally that it was a flash knockdown, but on second viewing Katsidis was pretty hurt. Great fight, & best of luck to both Katsidis 7 Earl in the future.(unless they fight scotsmen;) )
BoppaZoo
10-31-2007, 11:27 PM
hey my man, Im not arguing that Katsidis won the fight, & deservedly. I just think he was a bit more hurt than I originally thought but thats no big deal as when its a mad war like that was, both fighters are always going to have to come though dodgy moments. I just said originally that it was a flash knockdown, but on second viewing Katsidis was pretty hurt. Great fight, & best of luck to both Katsidis 7 Earl in the future.(unless they fight scotsmen;) )Haha yeah another thing just quickly Dunky.
Hows my boy Scott McDonald going for Celtic this year. My god he is having a great year. As i probably told you before im of Scottish blood also Dunky so of course go the Scots.
Dunky McCafferty
10-31-2007, 11:41 PM
Haha yeah another thing just quickly Dunky.
Hows my boy Scott McDonald going for Celtic this year. My god he is having a great year. As i probably told you before im of Scottish blood also Dunky so of course go the Scots.
Hes doing pretty well, in fact just last week he was talking in the newspapers about how Scotland tried to 'steal' him, but MacDonald said he was too patriotic to join the Scottish national team although his parents were scottish. Said he was born in Australia, so considers himself australian.
Celtic got humped 2-0 last night though, so he didnt do too well then by the look of things:lol: But hes doing OK, & hes imaginitively called 'skippy' by the Celtic fans, thats as much as I know! Dont know how many goals hes scored though, but he has scored quite a few.
BoppaZoo
10-31-2007, 11:48 PM
Hes doing pretty well, in fact just last week he was talking in the newspapers about how Scotland tried to 'steal' him, but MacDonald said he was too patriotic to join the Scottish national team although his parents were scottish. Said he was born in Australia, so considers himself australian.
Celtic got humped 2-0 last night though, so he didnt do too well then by the look of things:lol: But hes doing OK, & hes imaginitively called 'skippy' by the Celtic fans, thats as much as I know! Dont know how many goals hes scored though, but he has scored quite a few.So far he scored two hat tricks for them aswell as that goal against Milan. In all comps i think he has 8 goals so far.
Anyway Dunky good talking to you and one quick thing i hope Earl finally shuts up the Mouth Khan.
Just because im sick of him getting more attention than say a Calzaghe or a Hatton does and they actually have beaten decent opponents.
Dunky McCafferty
10-31-2007, 11:59 PM
So far he scored two hat tricks for them aswell as that goal against Milan. In all comps i think he has 8 goals so far.
Anyway Dunky good talking to you and one quick thing i hope Earl finally shuts up the Mouth Khan.
Just because im sick of him getting more attention than say a Calzaghe or a Hatton does and they actually have beaten decent opponents.
No problems Boppa, & good to talk to you too again my good man. I cant see Earl winning this one though, cos Im pretty positive Katsidis has ruined him. I hate talking like that, but Earl has been in some punishing fights & Khan is getting him at just the right time. I think its going to be very one sided as long as it lasts, & I just hope Earl doesnt have to take too many more big punches in his career. hes a really nice guy, & I actually feel sorry for him that hes going to be facing Khan in the lions den on Khans birthday. I just he gets out of there without any lasting damage.
negative, I know. But thats how I feel about this fight 7 how its gonna go.
Anyway catch you next time:good
Strike
11-01-2007, 05:07 AM
My feeling was he must not have been to hurt if he Knocked Earl down again which he did. And was landing again and again.
His feet might not have been there but his hands and punching rate sure was.
He didn't knock Earl down again in that round, so I suggest you go back and watch it. He stumbled half away across the ring and was wobbling all over the show and from touching down to the ref waving fight on, a time of 17 seconds elapsed. It was a poor job from Vann, at the point of 8 seconds having passed, Katsidis was still in a bad way, had the fight been waved back on at this point (1.36 on the clock) who knows what would have happened?
As it was he got a further 9 seconds to recover before fighting resumed and by then his head had cleared a fair amount and his legs were steady again.
Strangely Brown
11-01-2007, 06:21 AM
Earl will be too easy to hit - Khan will beat him easily
Well, Baz carey took him the distance. In fact, how many actual KO's does Khan have on his record? I'll tell you, NONE.
All of his stoppages have been by TKO, and there has been no sign that he is a big puncher. The only time he has faced anything other than moderate opposition he very nearly came unstuck.
Thats an interesting point about Khan's record.
Think it reads like this - 10 RSF 3 PTS 1 RTD = 14
Hasn't proved KO power yet - most stoppages have come via a flurry of punches and referee intervention.
Whereas Earl and Thaxton have both demonstrated they can win fights outright with KO power.
And what was that rubbish about the winner being the No.1 lightweight despite what Thaxton thinks?
Bring on the hype, never mind the reality!
Exactly. What was ****** talking about there? Wishful thinking more like.
Whoever wins out of Khan and Earl still won't be the No. 1 British Lightweight.
****** seems to have conveniently forgotten that Thaxton has successfully defended that Title twice and is the current Champion. Quite disrespectful.
Perhaps ****** should remind himself that both his fighters have had the chance to fight Thaxton - Earl pulled out when he was made mandatory and Thaxton has responded to all Khan's talk on more than one occasion by asking him to step up to the plate.
mike464
11-01-2007, 01:37 PM
I wonder what ****** would be saying of he promoted Thaxton and someone else promoted Earl and Khan?
Big Ears
11-01-2007, 02:08 PM
This is a fight to decide the #2 Lightweight in Britain , if it actually was to decide the #1 ****** would of said it without adding 'despite what Jon Thaxton thinks' .
I have to agree with Dunky , maybe Earl at his best would of had some chance(because of styles I'd still favour Khan) but now he'll not only get beat but pretty easily .
Not taking anything away from Khan when he does win , but it'll only make him the second best Lightweight in Britain and still only proven at domestic level .
don't forget that jono is still mandatory for khans commonwealth title so i'm pretty sure they'll fight next year unless khan manages to get a world title shot first
stake501
11-01-2007, 05:37 PM
one step at a time
despite the hype....isnt Khan still a novice pro?
Alex_NA_Exile
11-01-2007, 07:04 PM
Hi,
Newbie here!
I'm living and working in London here and i guess i shud tell u that i'm originally from the States.
From what i've seen of Khan he seems to be quite a talented and i've noticed that he does come with a lot of hype. But, honestly, i think this kid is something to be quite excited about here in England.
Maybe i'm showing my bias here a little, :smoke but i think if this guy was in the US with the raw talent that he has, he could more likely be a superstar pretty soon as he would have been signed up by the best people to mentor him. Then again i'm obviously not very familiar with the kind of mentoring that he's getting here.
Aahh, besides all that I think this guy's going to go very far because he has undeniable talent.
Betty Swollocks
11-01-2007, 07:09 PM
Hi,
Newbie here!
I'm living and working in London here and i guess i shud tell u that i'm originally from the States.
From what i've seen of Khan he seems to be quite a talented and i've noticed that he does come with a lot of hype. But, honestly, i think this kid is something to be quite excited about here in England.
Maybe i'm showing my bias here a little, :smoke but i think if this guy was in the US with the raw talent that he has, he could more likely be a superstar pretty soon as he would have been signed up by the best people to mentor him. Then again i'm obviously not very familiar with the kind of mentoring that he's getting here.
Aahh, besides all that I think this guy's going to go very far because he has undeniable talent.
listen up newbie....Khan is an overrated joker with an egg chin, wait and see. I said the same about Fraudley when they were all saying he was something with his size and skills.
Big Ears
11-01-2007, 07:24 PM
listen up newbie....Khan is an overrated joker with an egg chin, wait and see. I said the same about Fraudley when they were all saying he was something with his size and skills.
To be fair to Khan he is better than Audley and has accomplished more in his short career . But that chin is vulnerable and sooner rather than later someone will crack it(but not Earl) .
Betty Swollocks
11-01-2007, 07:40 PM
To be fair to Khan he is better than Audley and has accomplished more in his short career . But that chin is vulnerable and sooner rather than later someone will crack it(but not Earl) .
well as you know I totally respect your opinion and put much more weight on it than that of the supposed experts who go out of their way to come across as experts, but basically are full of hot air (I'll name them if prompted). I only have a pretty basic knowledge of the sport myself....but how has Khan accomplished more? Limond is the only decent guy Khan has faced...is he better p4p than the best wins on Fraudley's record?
Claypole
11-01-2007, 07:52 PM
Hi,
Aahh, besides all that I think this guy's going to go very far because he has undeniable talent.All that undeniable talent (and he has plenty) won't mean a thing the next time he gets cracked on the chin.
All the cocky bravado, the ridiculous hype and the diet of hand fed opponents will come back to haunt him when he gets in the ring with a fighter who can "have it".
Big Ears
11-01-2007, 09:50 PM
well as you know I totally respect your opinion and put much more weight on it than that of the supposed experts who go out of their way to come across as experts, but basically are full of hot air (I'll name them if prompted). I only have a pretty basic knowledge of the sport myself....but how has Khan accomplished more? Limond is the only decent guy Khan has faced...is he better p4p than the best wins on Fraudley's record?
Well one thing is he has a Commonwealth title , Harrison lost his Commonwealth title challenge and then in a fight that would have lead to another Commonwealth title fight he lost again .
Now maybe you could make a case opponent wise that Audley has beaten better .
His best wins are Krence , Calloway , Hersia , Bonin , Davis , Wiggins and of course the big one Danny Williams .
Khan obviously doesn't have as numerous 'decent' wins as that , with Limond being his big win and Lawton , Komjathi and Medjadji being his next best wins .
Williams at his best(something we rarely see , Kali Meehan and Shawn Robinson spring to mind) is a better win that Limond . But that wasn't Williams at his best , that was Danny at a weeks notice and imo it showed .
So for me the Limond win is a much better one .
Out of the other fighters , Calloway is a capable Cruiserweight but at Heavyweight isn't up to much . Bonin probably isn't a bad fighter but he hasn't been in with enough decent fighters for us to see his level .
Audley comes ahead of Khan competition wise at the moment(well until Khan beats Earl) , but when I said KHan had accomplished more the Commonwealth title was only really what I was talking about .
Still interesting to compare the opponents of these Olympics 'stars' all the same though .
combo slice
11-02-2007, 05:49 AM
To be fair to Khan he is better than Audley and has accomplished more in his short career . But that chin is vulnerable and sooner rather than later someone will crack it(but not Earl) .
I dont think Khan has the reflexes or defensive ability to avoid taking at least one clean shot from Earl at some point during the bout, and by all accounts Earl has more than decent punch power, so why would Khans chin not crack when hit by Earl if it as fragile as you say?
Khan obviously doesn't have as numerous 'decent' wins as that , with Limond being his big win and Lawton , Komjathi and Medjadji being his next best wins .
Just my opinion but I wouldn't have Lawton in there.
The other wins mentioned were at least contests.
The fight with Lawton simply wasn't and was also a step backward from Limond in my view.
Big Ears
11-02-2007, 08:25 AM
Just my opinion but I wouldn't have Lawton in there.
The other wins mentioned were at least contests.
The fight with Lawton simply wasn't and was also a step backward from Limond in my view.
It was definitely a huge step back from Limond , but to be fair to Khan Lawton was the English champion and had given Thaxton a decent fight . Just because Lawton was perfectly suited to Khan and froze like a rabbit in the headlights is not Khan's fault . None the less Lawton is a capable boxer when he's not starstruck .
Combo I think Khan will despatch of Earl before he has to take a big shot flush . Khan will box Earl and wear him down on the outside . Earl's not that big a puncher either and when I saw Khan's chin is fragile I mean fragile not Herbie Hide fragile .
Alex_NA_Exile
11-02-2007, 09:48 AM
I'm of the opinion that Khan leaves himself open a lot judging from what i've seen. I think the chin's suspect but it hardly takes a powerhouse puncher to floor a fighter who leaves his guard down as Khan often does. It's one of those things that i'll have to wait and see myself.
Btw, did that many people really buy into the talent of (Fr)Audley? Honestly, i don't know many that did. I think Khan will be a different story but i guess we'll have to wait and see on that one.
It was definitely a huge step back from Limond , but to be fair to Khan Lawton was the English champion and had given Thaxton a decent fight . Just because Lawton was perfectly suited to Khan and froze like a rabbit in the headlights is not Khan's fault . None the less Lawton is a capable boxer when he's not starstruck .
I do believe in giving credit where it is due and was one of the few on here who suggested Lawton was worthy of a bit more recognition before the fight.
He did ask some questions of Thaxton but still lost that fight and was coming off the back of that loss when he fought Khan.
He had also not fought for 7 months prior to facing Khan.
His low KO record suggested he was another light hitter.
This was a clever piece of matchmaking by ****** after the Limond fight - I agree he was perfectly suited for Khan in many respects but just not for fans who would rather witness an actual contest. No fault of Khan's that Lawton failed to 'show up' on the night.
The point I was originally making is that, for me, Lawton was not a notable win for Khan when all these factors are taken into consideration.
combo slice
11-02-2007, 12:53 PM
I think this post from the bbc website is spot on regarding the two likely responses from certain quarters after the fight depending on the result :D
"DaFatNinjaTurtle
I think that if Amir Khan beats Earl it will prove that Earl is a low level domestic class boxer with no chin, ring craft or punch. Oh yeah and he is also most certainly past if after losing to Katsidis.
On the other hand I think if Khan loses, it will prove that once Khan comes up against a seriously high level domestic operator, who can punch hard and equally take a good shot, and who has been in with a few class operators like Kadsidis he will have been exposed for the fraud he is."
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Big Ears
11-02-2007, 03:34 PM
I do believe in giving credit where it is due and was one of the few on here who suggested Lawton was worthy of a bit more recognition before the fight.
He did ask some questions of Thaxton but still lost that fight and was coming off the back of that loss when he fought Khan.
He had also not fought for 7 months prior to facing Khan.
His low KO record suggested he was another light hitter.
This was a clever piece of matchmaking by ****** after the Limond fight - I agree he was perfectly suited for Khan in many respects but just not for fans who would rather witness an actual contest. No fault of Khan's that Lawton failed to 'show up' on the night.
The point I was originally making is that, for me, Lawton was not a notable win for Khan when all these factors are taken into consideration.
He's every bit as good as Krence who I named as one of Audley's 'good wins' .
Lawton is a light hitter , he hadn't been active and quite frankly I was appauled at someone who had given such a great effort for the British title freezing against Khan seemingly because of his name(just look at his interview after the fight , he was starstruck and just happy to be there :-()
But none the less he was a top 10 British Lightweight and because of that deserves mentioning .
He's every bit as good as Krence who I named as one of Audley's 'good wins' .
Lawton is a light hitter , he hadn't been active and quite frankly I was appauled at someone who had given such a great effort for the British title freezing against Khan seemingly because of his name(just look at his interview after the fight , he was starstruck and just happy to be there :-()
But none the less he was a top 10 British Lightweight and because of that deserves mentioning .
I agree with much of what has been said but it is the original context Lawton was mentioned that I differ from - "Khan obviously doesn't have as numerous 'decent' wins as that with Limond being his big win and Lawton, Komjathi and Medjadji being his next best wins".
I totally respect your opinion - this is just mine and I've tried to explain what it is based on. I think my reasons are fair - if I was being harsh there could be a case for saying only Limond so far is really a 'decent' win for Khan.
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