Who goes along with the following: that the majority of black Britons support Hatton

[K2ray]

This needs to be made into a new thread and that's becasue it was NEVER dealt with from a previous thread. This goes out to all ESB UK members both white (and more importantly black members).

If it's found (and it will be) that the oppposite (majority of Black Britons support PBF) is the case to this statement then the person who wrote the ridiculous assumption should forever apologise.

PEACE

[skellington]

Past caring.

[Sai]

CARE BARE STARE!

Stop bringing race into boxing. I personally hate Floyd because hes a massive cock juggler, not because hes black

[theunderdog]

this thread will be deleted in 5....4.....3...2....

[JamboGoz]

Man this is a shit thread!

Probably one of worse I've read on my time here.

Well done.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Another thread: who gives a fuck who black people support on December 8th? :good

[JamboGoz]

Whooooaaah!!

Hold fort, just seen your "Hatton is friends with the brother of a racist" junk.

You're on fire

[David UK]

K2Ray. You really need to get out more :lol:

[Ding]

..................Great Thread.:nut

[Gsand]

who cares what colour anyones fans are???

[Charles187]

This fuckin guy wont quit! PBF is like marmite - you either love him or hate him. If you hate him your gonna support Hatton, simple.

[David UK]

This fuckin guy wont quit! PBF is like marmite - you either love him or hate him. If you hate him your gonna support Hatton, simple.

Contary to what most here think, Mayweather is one of my favourite fighters to watch. I've always enjoyed watching fighters with his type of style. Obviously I want Hatton to beat him because 1) Hatton is British and 2) because Mayweather is so brilliant.

Mayweather as a person, however, leaves plenty to be desired, although I suspect that most of his routine is an act

[Charles187]

Contary to what most here think, Mayweather is one of my favourite fighters to watch. I've always enjoyed watching fighters with his type of style. Obviously I want Hatton to beat him because 1) Hatton is British and 2) because Mayweather is so brilliant.

Mayweather as a person, however, leaves plenty to be desired, although I suspect that most of his routine is an act

Fair enuf but help me out here, MOST people either love him or hate him. I cant fuckin stand him but it has fuck all to do with him being black. I cant stand all this hip hop bling bling bullshit, does that make me a rascist? Fuck no, I have many educated black friends who feel the same.

[AllyT]

Given that Mayweather has a habit of hitting women, Hatton might get the female vote.

[The Kurgan]

K2ray is much too obsessed with race.

[Charles187]

Given that Mayweather has a habit of hitting women, Hatton might get the female vote.

ar but he could replace that with the crazed wife beater vote.

[Charles187]

K2ray is much too obsessed with race.

Has anyone actually seen him post anything about the sport of boxing yet?

[AllyT]

ar but he could replace that with the crazed wife beater vote.

He got off on the wife (partner) one, as she withdrew her testimony but he had already started this hobby in 2004. I am sure this can be counted, as innuendo on Hatton is apparently acceptable so I guess we can do the same to Mayweather.

[Charles187]

He got off on the wife (partner) one, as she withdrew her testimony but he had already started this hobby in 2004. I am sure this can be counted, as innuendo on Hatton is apparently acceptable so I guess we can do the same to Mayweather.

You damn right!! Its open season!! I heard he got off becouse the partner took the first two rounds off him, as he was running a bit too much! he took it wide on the scorecards in the end after that early scare!

[Smith]

K2ray probably thinks he suffers from apartheid here in the UK.

Complete and utter fucking tool.

[K2ray]

A) How could you possibly prove this one way or another.

B) Who gives a fuck.

C) The "majority" of black Britons are probably largley indifferent to the result of this and most fights just like the majority of White Britons.

Okay lets remove black briton and put black boxing fans in the UK instead...David UK seems to feel that the majority of these will be supporting Hatton which is bollocks (you and I both know this). Once this is understood we can move on with this subject!

Furthermore I want to highlight to US ESB members that PBF does have support in the UK: in the main, the black boxing fertanity. That's the fact. PEACE:bbb

[K2ray]

K2ray probably thinks he suffers from apartheid here in the UK.

Complete and utter fucking tool.

Your one of those brits who thinks the UK is the beacon of equalitarism. Bullshiiiit

[MancMexican]

Your one of those brits who thinks the UK is the beacon of equalitarism. Bullshiiiit


There are many many MANY worse places

[MancMexican]

If the black british boxing fans support PBF over Hatton then it will say more about black attitudes to race than it will white.

When Lennox Lewis fought Tommy Morrison you can bet white british fans supported lewis

[K2ray]

There are many many MANY worse places

Never said there wasn't. But seeing as the UK (unlike a few other European nations) has over 50 years of Black/Asian's residing in the country, it should and can do better. Don't you agree?:bbbPEACE

[buddynabuick]

If the black british boxing fans support PBF over Hatton then it will say more about black attitudes to race than it will white.

When Lennox Lewis fought Tommy Morrison you can bet white british fans supported lewis



I guess that sums it up nicely:good

[My dinner with Conteh]

What a Yankee cock licker this cunt is. :oops: :oops: :oops:

[K2ray]

If the black british boxing fans support PBF over Hatton then it will say more about black attitudes to race than it will white.

When Lennox Lewis fought Tommy Morrison you can bet white british fans supported lewis

Hatton & his association to know racists does not help his cause. Plus blacks appreciate PBF use of the science of boxing over UFC style boxing. :bbbPEACE

Majority of white boxing fans did not go over in droves when Lennox Lewis fought in Vegas....ask yourself why hasn't the guy not visiting the UK since his retirement. He knows the score:hi:

:bbbPEACE

[My dinner with Conteh]

I've hardly ever seen a fight where a black supporter has wanted a white guy to win anyway.

[K2ray]

Oh and where were all those white british fans (15,000+) when he fought Tommy Morrison...nowhere to be seen.

[K2ray]

I've hardly ever seen a fight where a black supporter has wanted a white guy to win anyway.

well there's at least one ESB UK memeber who disagrees with David UK's ridiculous notion:good...but does that make them racist...it's as ridiculous as saying all Pavliks supporters in Ohio are racist.

[koko of phil]

This fuckin guy wont quit! PBF is like marmite - you either love him or hate him. If you hate him your gonna support Hatton, simple.

No I think Floyd is like a prohibited drug which you won't like if you know what it is and realize the effect, while those addicted would try to justify everything about it. I hope Hatton could rehab all PBF fans. :good

[My dinner with Conteh]

well there's at least one ESB UK memeber who disagrees with David UK's ridiculous notion:good...but does that make them racist...it's as ridiculous as saying all Pavliks supporters in Ohio are racist.


But Pavlik's supporters are rooting for their countryman regardless. That's what I do. The way I see it, if a Brit wins and is still world champ that gives me more chance to attend his next defence and so on and so on. Some people would rather have world title fights in the UK than in US. I'm one of them.



ps. Yeah, I do actually agree with what you're saying, just don't like the way you're going about it.

[MancMexican]

Hatton & his association to know racists does not help his cause. Plus blacks appreciate PBF use of the science of boxing over UFC style boxing. :bbbPEACE

Majority of white boxing fans did not go over in droves when Lennox Lewis fought in Vegas....ask yourself why hasn't the guy not visiting the UK since his retirement. He knows the score:hi:

:bbbPEACE

Even the most hardened LL fans admit he didn't exactly have the most exciting style.

The Floyd family don't exactly have a squeaky clean image. Should we not like Floyd because he has(had) some crack heads in the family? It's not as if Hatton is trained by said rascists.

And the Hatton fans don't like him because he's white. When Frank Bruno entered the ring before hatton fought Zoo the cheers of BRUNO BRUNO BRUNO were deafening and brought the big guy to tears.

[joe33]

Id say every british person would support hatton,if not just because of his colour then who cares,thats down to the person,what will piss me of though,is if he does win,they best not turn round and say hes great and they supported him all along.

[Smith]

Your one of those brits who thinks the UK is the beacon of equalitarism. BullshiiiitYou are a fucking tool:lol: :lol: :lol:

You have no clue about anything, you are blinded by your own prejudice & ignorance.

The uk is not all equal, but neither is anywhere. If you really think blacks get a hard time here you are tripping. If anything, they get more breaks to stiop cunts like you crying.

[Smith]

Pisses me off how this dick brings colour into it, again, WHY THE FUCK DOES IT MATTER.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Id say every british person would support hatton,if not just because of his colour then who cares,thats down to the person,what will piss me of though,is if he does win,they best not turn round and say hes great and they supported him all along.



I remember when Hamed fought Tom Johnson and all the pub were supporting Hamed...except these black guys in the corner who were cheering Johnson. And I don't think they were rooting against Hamed because he was a twat either. :good

[grayggr]

Well my uncle is of Jamaican descent (parents both Jamaican), and I will be watching the fight athis house more than likely with about 6/7 other black males who I have known since being small.

I can confirm for you now that every single one of them will be supporting Hatton. I can confirm all of them will confirm they support Hatton because he is British, down to earth and a likeable, affable guy.

I can also guarantee that they despise Mayweather because he is a douchebag.

Do you not understand that your very assertion that Blacks will not be supporting Hatton is in itself bordering on racism.

As said in a previous post get the chip off your shoulder and playing the race card at any opportunity you can. It's people like you and the genuine racists (no matter what colour) that spoil communities, not people like Hatton who for some reason you have a race agenda against.

[Charles187]

No I think Floyd is like a prohibited drug which you won't like if you know what it is and realize the effect, while those addicted would try to justify everything about it. I hope Hatton could rehab all PBF fans. :good

:yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep

[David UK]

Never said there wasn't. But seeing as the UK (unlike a few other European nations) has over 50 years of Black/Asian's residing in the country, it should and can do better. Don't you agree?:bbbPEACE

British Indians earn more per person on average than British whites, so that theory of yours goes straight out the window!! :lol:

[David UK]

Well my uncle is of Jamaican descent (parents both Jamaican), and I will be watching the fight athis house more than likely with about 6/7 other black males who I have known since being small.

I can confirm for you now that every single one of them will be supporting Hatton. I can confirm all of them will confirm they support Hatton because he is British, down to earth and a likeable, affable guy.

I can also guarantee that they despise Mayweather because he is a douchebag.

Do you not understand that your very assertion that Blacks will not be supporting Hatton is in itself bordering on racism.

As said in a previous post get the chip off your shoulder and playing the race card at any opportunity you can. It's people like you and the genuine racists (no matter what colour) that spoil communities, not people like Hatton who for some reason you have a race agenda against.

Bloody hell, that's going to upset poor K2Ray!!

All my black mates want Hatton to win to, because he and they are BRITS!!

I'm now beginning to wonder if K2Ray is not a black racist after all, but maybe a white BNP racist?

[GazOC]

In answer to the original question, I'd say the majority (>50%) of British blacks (who gave a fuck) will be supporting Hatton without a doubt.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Bloody hell, that's going to upset poor K2Ray!!

All my black mates want Hatton to win to, because he and they are BRITS!!


Good stuff. :good

[David UK]

You are a fucking tool:lol: :lol: :lol:

You have no clue about anything, you are blinded by your own prejudice & ignorance.

The uk is not all equal, but neither is anywhere. If you really think blacks get a hard time here you are tripping. If anything, they get more breaks to stiop cunts like you crying.

The problem is that succesful blacks are referred to as 'Uncle Toms' by their idiotic failing bretheren. Typical British trait. If you are a loser, then blame someone that isn't for your own shortcomings rather than manning up and taking personal responsibility

[Smith]

The problem is that succesful blacks are referred to as 'Uncle Toms' by their idiotic failing bretheren. Typical British trait. If you are a loser, then blame someone that isn't for your own shortcomings rather than manning up and taking personal responsibilitySpot on.

[K2ray]

The problem is that succesful blacks are referred to as 'Uncle Toms' by their idiotic failing bretheren. Typical British trait. If you are a loser, then blame someone that isn't for your own shortcomings rather than manning up and taking personal responsibility

Dude, Lennox Lewis is blacl and equals NO SELLOUT....I need to stop debating with you because your IGNORANCE is too much:patsch

..then you contradict the bold statement with the British trait...don't recall the words Uncle Tom in the defintion of the typical British trait:rofl:rofl:rofl

As far as I'm concern any white supporterof the behaviour of Frank Bruno when he was boxing is a racist (and I think I can speak for the vast majority of Black Britains-unlike yourself and your false spokemanship of blac folks in the UK). STOP SPEAKING FOR US IN REGARDS TO HATTON.

[Smith]

k2ray, I would put money on 99.9% of blacks in Britain laughing at what you are saying. You are truly delusional.

[GazOC]

So as a white Brit I must have imagined being at MSG for Lewis-Holyfield I?

[David UK]

Dude, Lennox Lewis is blacl and equals NO SELLOUT....I need to stop debating with you because your IGNORANCE is too much:patsch

..then you contradict the bold statement with the British trait...don't recall the words Uncle Tom in the defintion of the typical British trait:rofl:rofl:rofl

As far as I'm concern any white supporterof the behaviour of Frank Bruno when he was boxing is a racist (and I think I can speak for the vast majority of Black Britains-unlike yourself and your false spokemanship of blac folks in the UK). STOP SPEAKING FOR US IN REGARDS TO HATTON.

:lol: :lol: :lol: As I said in a previous thread,you have received one of the biggest OWNINGS in ESB history,and this OWNING is so comprehensive I am, remarkably, actually starting to feel sorry for you. Therefore I will leave you alone from now.

[grayggr]

Dude, Lennox Lewis is blacl and equals NO SELLOUT....I need to stop debating with you because your IGNORANCE is too much:patsch

..then you contradict the bold statement with the British trait...don't recall the words Uncle Tom in the defintion of the typical British trait:rofl:rofl:rofl

As far as I'm concern any white supporterof the behaviour of Frank Bruno when he was boxing is a racist (and I think I can speak for the vast majority of Black Britains-unlike yourself and your false spokemanship of blac folks in the UK). STOP SPEAKING FOR US IN REGARDS TO HATTON.

You're extremist views are not welcome here.

Most posters have responded to your innane bable with well constructed and thoughful, sensitive responses. You Sir have not, all you have done is served notice to all sensible posters on ESB that your posts are the ramblings of a man with deep rooted psychological issues. You see everything as an attack against your colour, you manipulate things said here (and manipulate very badly I might add) turning every sentence constructed as racist slurs.

You speak as a man *representative* of black people, although not a black male myself - I do mix with the black community and can categorically confirm that you are in no way representative of them.

I would advise you see the help of a psychologist who may be able to help you in these clearly difficult times. Maybe one day you will be able to perceive the world beyond colour.

[grayggr]

Im a white Brit whos supporting Mayweather, go figure :lol:

Figured.

Your picture says it all. :p

Amazingly I support both Hatton and Witter, although would root for Hatton (hometown preference) if they ever met.

[Jack]

You seem to have a go at Hatton, citing supposed racism as a reason why black fans won't cheer for him, yet the majority of black fans don't know about the connections to racism. If they do not support him, surely it is them who are racist? I'm not talking about one or two fans, but if every black person in Britain wants hatton to lose, surely it is because he is white? It is obviously not because of the Barton/Manning thing, as nobody cares about that.

So if black britain does want Hatton to lose, is it because they are racist?



(Just playing Devil's advocate, asking hypothetical questions, to anyone who isn't K2ray)



And I have no black friends, but a few Asian's I know want Hatton to win, because he is a geuniely good person and Britain's best boxer right now.

[grayggr]

You seem to have a go at Hatton, citing supposed racism as a reason why black fans won't cheer for him, yet the majority of black fans don't know about the connections to racism. If they do not support him, surely it is them who are racist? I'm not talking about one or two fans, but if every black person in Britain wants hatton to lose, surely it is because he is white? It is obviously not because of the Barton/Manning thing, as nobody cares about that.

So if black britain does want Hatton to lose, is it because they are racist?




(Just playing Devil's advocate, asking hypothetical questions, to anyone who isn't K2ray)

Jack - no need to play Devil's Advocate in this instance as K2ray has no basis whatsoever to suggest that the black community does not support Hatton. K2ray is delusional.

[EpsilonAxis]

This needs to be made into a new thread and that's becasue it was NEVER dealt with from a previous thread. This goes out to all ESB UK members both white (and more importantly black members).

If it's found (and it will be) that the oppposite (majority of Black Britons support PBF) is the case to this statement then the person who wrote the ridiculous assumption should forever apologise.

PEACE

You are a faggot.

[bill poster]

K2 are you a Little Britain fan?

[K2ray]

Bloody hell, that's going to upset poor K2Ray!!

All my black mates want Hatton to win to, because he and they are BRITS!!

I'm now beginning to wonder if K2Ray is not a black racist after all, but maybe a white BNP racist?

David UK, your like a broken record with this kind of statement!

[K2ray]

K2 are you a Little Britain fan?

Are you a fan of Chris Rock. Plenty of white americans are, but many white brits don't get his humour either. Therefore your point is irrelevant.

[K2ray]

In answer to the original question, I'd say the majority (>50%) of British blacks (who gave a fuck) will be supporting Hatton without a doubt.

Either it's a full on fact or isn't..stop the if, buts or maybe crap! Just go along to Brixton and do a survey:deal

[Dorfmeister]

Floyd, Shane, Cotto, Oscar, Hatton cover the spectrum of light colour from darker to paler tones, why should one side with a fighter due to his ethnicity? Maybe cause that someone recognizes himself with the ethnicity of someone else ( even above the nationality issue), bringing the race card into boxing like it is commonly known, not that it is wrong in the moral sense but it's just stupid. Floyd Mayweather, Ricky Hatton and others don't give a damn about y'all fans out there and just want your money - why would you be behind a particular guy for non-boxing reasons if it wasn't to start outside wars with other individuals nobody cares about... It's not wrong, just stupid!

[scurlaruntings]

CARE BARE STARE!

Stop bringing race into boxing. I personally hate Floyd because hes a massive cock juggler, not because hes blackIm more of a Floyd fan only because i see boxing in its purest form and i can appreciate the talent he has. As a person i really couldnt give a crap what his like as i dont know him. I would have rooted for Hatton (even though i know his going to loose) if he didnt spend all those years wasting my money defending the WBU and running from Junior Witter. That i cant forgive him for.As for the clour barrier i couldnt care less wether both were bottle green with pink spots.If they can fight and put on a good show them im a fan.

[K2ray]

Dude, Lennox Lewis is blacl and equals NO SELLOUT....I need to stop debating with you because your IGNORANCE is too much:patsch

..then you contradict the bold statement with the British trait...don't recall the words Uncle Tom in the defintion of the typical British trait:rofl:rofl:rofl

As far as I'm concern any white supporterof the behaviour of Frank Bruno when he was boxing is a racist (and I think I can speak for the vast majority of Black Britains-unlike yourself and your false spokemanship of blac folks in the UK). STOP SPEAKING FOR US IN REGARDS TO HATTON.

David UK it is you that has been owned BIG TIME..as long as you continue not to back you most ridiculous notion about Hatton have the overwhelming majority of Black British support come December the 9th...
...what we need in this thread is the likes of SilkySoSmooth (who schooled in in a similar thread) and other residing blacks in the UK to shut your mouth.:yep

[scurlaruntings]

This needs to be made into a new thread and that's becasue it was NEVER dealt with from a previous thread. This goes out to all ESB UK members both white (and more importantly black members).

If it's found (and it will be) that the oppposite (majority of Black Britons support PBF) is the case to this statement then the person who wrote the ridiculous assumption should forever apologise.

PEACEHow old are you? You strike me as beiing quite young or juvenile. I can see where a retarded thread like this is going. But you are sorely mistaken if you think even 99.9% of people will caste there vote based on colour.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Im a white Brit whos supporting Mayweather, go figure :lol:


Why are you talking like a Yank?

[K2ray]

Floyd, Shane, Cotto, Oscar, Hatton cover the spectrum of light colour from darker to paler tones, why should one side with a fighter due to his ethnicity? Maybe cause that someone recognizes himself with the ethnicity of someone else ( even above the nationality issue), bringing the race card into boxing like it is commonly known, not that it is wrong in the moral sense but it's just stupid. Floyd Mayweather, Ricky Hatton and others don't give a damn about y'all fans out there and just want your money - why would you be behind a particular guy for non-boxing reasons if it wasn't to start outside wars with other individuals nobody cares about... It's not wrong, just stupid!

Thanks Dorfmeister for you intellectual response and this is whether it is for my motion or against it (unlike others who just reply by cussing and reverse pychology babble about me being the racist). I hear, it is stupid what goes on this world regarding race in sport (in this case, the sport being boxing). But you have to remember I can't sit around and allow a clown like Davud UK tell US ESB that Hatton has the majority of black boxing fans in the UK...c'mon for you EBB member from across the atlantic, this statement is like saying George Bush has the majority black vote:admin. It'

[My dinner with Conteh]

Figured.

Your picture says it all. :p

Amazingly I support both Hatton and Witter, although would root for Hatton (hometown preference) if they ever met.


Even though I generally prefer Hatton if the two met I'd definitely root for Witter, as I often go for the 'guy who deserves a nice payday' when both are Brits. :good

[K2ray]

Spot on.

Could you elaborate on your ridiculous support to David UK's fictional definition of a typical British Trait (somehow he has managed to fit in the words Uncle & Tom into the definition):patsch

[Strike]

Never said there wasn't. But seeing as the UK (unlike a few other European nations) has over 50 years of Black/Asian's residing in the country, it should and can do better. Don't you agree?:bbbPEACE

Race relations between blacks and whites are far better in the UK than they are in the US.
Most black people intergrate with whites, interacial relationships are not even an issue here anymore, you see loads of black guys with white girls and nowadays lots of black girls with white guys.

Even the young annoying wannabe gangsters who hang around the streets are mixed in their racial make up. Carribean events like Notting Hill Carnival are massively mixed, whereas a Jamaican festival in LA would be unlikely to have many white faces there.

[Kostya Zoo]

...it is stupid what goes on this world regarding race in sport (in this case, the sport being boxing)...

It is?

You're the one who says you and your fellow black Britons are supporting Mayweather because he's black.

Sounds pretty fucking racist to me.

[K2ray]

Even the most hardened LL fans admit he didn't exactly have the most exciting style.

The Floyd family don't exactly have a squeaky clean image. Should we not like Floyd because he has(had) some crack heads in the family? It's not as if Hatton is trained by said rascists.

And the Hatton fans don't like him because he's white. When Frank Bruno entered the ring before hatton fought Zoo the cheers of BRUNO BRUNO BRUNO were deafening and brought the big guy to tears.

Did you read what I said about black folks in the UK general view of Mr Bruno during his Boxing career...even notable boxers like Llyod Honeghan despised his behaviuor/characterization of blacks. Bruno was a gigaboo (you can read up what that means on Wiki). The kind of portrayl of black people which had BNP supporters applauding. Now tell me what that has to do with the typical british trait which David UK has harped on about!

[Strike]

Thousands of white Britons followed Lewis to Vegas to watch him fight Vitali. Why?

[K2ray]

It is?

You're the one who says you and your fellow black Britons are supporting Mayweather because he's black.

Sounds pretty fucking racist to me.

Look like someone else posted, black britons in general don't care much about the fight (sure majority don't even know its going-on). However out of the boxing knowlegeable blacks in the UK, the vast majority will support Mayweather just as the overwhelming majority of white brits will support Hatton. I never uttered the words: blacks will automatically support PBF because he is black (even though some will, just some Hatton supporters will). This doesn't mean hardcore Hatton fans but cewrtainly those boxing fans who would be pleased to know he has strong associations with the likes of Manning and Joey Barton (neither not exactly in the vast majority of black britains good books).

[K2ray]

Thousands of white Britons followed Lewis to Vegas to watch him fight Vitali. Why?

what percentage of hattons propsed 15,000+ fans were they?:deal

[K2ray]

The problem is that succesful blacks are referred to as 'Uncle Toms' by their idiotic failing bretheren. Typical British trait. If you are a loser, then blame someone that isn't for your own shortcomings rather than manning up and taking personal responsibility

This has to be the dumbest/most ridiculous statement ever written in a ESB thread. History has been made:happy:happy:happy

[K2ray]

But Pavlik's supporters are rooting for their countryman regardless. That's what I do. The way I see it, if a Brit wins and is still world champ that gives me more chance to attend his next defence and so on and so on. Some people would rather have world title fights in the UK than in US. I'm one of them.



ps. Yeah, I do actually agree with what you're saying, just don't like the way you're going about it.

I'm talking about his recent fight against Taylor. But I generally respect your debating skills on here. You argue with reason. Thanks

[K2ray]

What a Yankee cock licker this cunt is. :oops: :oops: :oops:

Dude, I take that back:fire

[scurlaruntings]

Thousands of white Britons followed Lewis to Vegas to watch him fight Vitali. Why?They were Russian/Poles and were supporting Vitali.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Dude, I take that back:fire


You spoke too soon. ;)

[David UK]

:lol: :lol: :lol: As I said in a previous thread,you have received one of the biggest OWNINGS in ESB history,and this OWNING is so comprehensive I am, remarkably, actually starting to feel sorry for you. Therefore I will leave you alone from now.

I'm zipped!!;)

[K2ray]

Well my uncle is of Jamaican descent (parents both Jamaican), and I will be watching the fight athis house more than likely with about 6/7 other black males who I have known since being small.

I can confirm for you now that every single one of them will be supporting Hatton. I can confirm all of them will confirm they support Hatton because he is British, down to earth and a likeable, affable guy.

I can also guarantee that they despise Mayweather because he is a douchebag.

Do you not understand that your very assertion that Blacks will not be supporting Hatton is in itself bordering on racism.

As said in a previous post get the chip off your shoulder and playing the race card at any opportunity you can. It's people like you and the genuine racists (no matter what colour) that spoil communities, not people like Hatton who for some reason you have a race agenda against.

Dude the article by the observer was't written by me (it was written by a white journalist). Secondly, do those black mates of yours know about Hatton's associations, I very much doubt it. Finally have you ever asked them if they would feel comfortabel to watch the fight live in the casino amongst a bunch of drunk white british boxing fans? Let me know when you get their responses. And you can post them here:hi: Cheers

[GazOC]

Either it's a full on fact or isn't..stop the if, buts or maybe crap! Just go along to Brixton and do a survey:deal

No, you question asked for peoples opinions. I gave mine....

To my knowledge you've made 3 threads on ESB over your ~100 posts and they've all been on the same subject. Have you got any opinions on any other (non race related) boxing issues?

[K2ray]

I will be watching the fight athis house more than likely with about 6/7 other black males who I have known since being small.

BTW, Between 6 and 7 black british boxing fans doesn't equate MAJORITY of black british boxing fans..try doing a survey in Brixton sport's hall.:deal Then get back to me.

US ESB, I'm just letting you know the truth and just wish some black british ESB members could/would join this thread to prove the point further. Thanks

[K2ray]

I'm zipped!!;)

But you still look (at the thread)..your itchin to post back, aren't you?:hey

[Kostya Zoo]

BTW, Between 6 and 7 black british boxing fans doesn't equate MAJORITY of black british boxing fans..try doing a survey in Brixton sport's hall.:deal Then get back to me.

US ESB, I'm just letting you know the truth and just wish some black british ESB members could/would join this thread to prove the point further. Thanks

You have a very sick, racial (probably racist) agenda.

[K2ray]

No, you question asked for peoples opinions. I gave mine....

To my knowledge you've made 3 threads on ESB over your ~100 posts and they've all been on the same subject. Have you got any opinions on any other (non race related) boxing issues?

True, my posts have been focused on boxing politics (in this case the issue of race in the sport) and I will certainly post more boxing posts unrelated to the politics of boxing.

As a white person, I have to ask do you think you opinion on David UK actually washes with the black community in the UK. I measn could you proudly walk down Brixton high road with a banner claiming such garbage?

[K2ray]

You have a very sick, racial (probably racist) agenda.

Like I want a race war to happen on the ESB threads ohhhhhhhhhhh:patsch

Cmon, you know better than that, I will try and make this thread as boxing related possible (many want to turn this thread into a racist agenda just so moderators can close it/ban me). I repeat, this thread deals with an important issue of boxing politics (an issue that has been with us since the great days of Muhammed Ali). It should be disucssed with dignity and not with blame.

[Strike]

Dude the article by the observer was't written by me (it was written by a white journalist). Secondly, do those black mates of yours know about Hatton's associations, I very much doubt it. Finally have you ever asked them if they would feel comfortabel to watch the fight live in the casino amongst a bunch of drunk white british boxing fans? Let me know when you get their responses. And you can post them here:hi: Cheers

What the fuck do you know about race integration in this country? Nothing. None of my black mates feel bothered about watching football or boxing with drunk white Brits, because they all have white mates too. Black people and white people hang around together in Britain, someone who is one colour is more likely to have more friends of the same colour but the issues you imagine to exist are not anything like as you see it.

Drunken white fans in most bars, casinos and pubs will cheer on Hatton because he is a Brit, just like they cheered on Lewis against Tyson, Lewis against Vitali or Lewis against any non Brit.

The football hooligan firms are mixed race, the pubs across the major citys have races mixing. Unless you live in England or have been in for prolonged periods of time and seen something I have not then quit talking out of your ass.

[K2ray]

the starter of this thread must be a pro rascist black guy.
prob member of Nation Of Islam or something like that.


i agree with the every1 here,that this is a stupid thread.

Well if there is one positive to come out of this thread then it is these new words that are being created like flys :patsch:rofl

[Jimbo]

Dude the article by the observer was't written by me (it was written by a white journalist).

..and the article doesn't say Hatton is a racist - you do. A small part of the article lists Manning (a racist) and Barton (who knows but you can't discern that he's a racist from his fight with Dabo as he had fights with many more white footballers and no other black one's that I know of, and you can't judge someone for their brother's crimes) as among his well known friends of his. Pretty lame attempt to misrepresent the article as stating Hatton is a racist.

Basically it comes down to you saying Hatton was friends with Manning so he's a racist. While I wouldn't choose to hang around with him, I also wouldn't claim to know him via his stage act and I doubt very much whether Hatton and he would spend loads of time together talking about race issues.

[Strike]

True, my posts have been focused on boxing politics (in this case the issue of race in the sport) and I will certainly post more boxing posts unrelated to the politics of boxing.

As a white person, I have to ask do you think you opinion on David UK actually washes with the black community in the UK. I measn could you proudly walk down Brixton high road with a banner claiming such garbage?

More shite from someone who is talking as if he knows the facts. I am white, I go out in Brixton ALL the time. I drink in pubs there where there are more black people and in ones where it is a 50/50 mix and in others where there are more whites.
I have several friends there and if you go to all night drum and bass nights in pubs like the Telegraph on Brixton Hill, it is about a 50/50 split, whites and blacks with no racial aggro. The Djs tend to be white, the MCs black.....there are Jamaican guys in there, British black guys, British white guys and girls from all over....

Please stop talking about things you have never experienced and know absolutely nothing about.

[Dorfmeister]

Thanks Dorfmeister for you intellectual response and this is whether it is for my motion or against it (unlike others who just reply by cussing and reverse pychology babble about me being the racist). I hear, it is stupid what goes on this world regarding race in sport (in this case, the sport being boxing). But you have to remember I can't sit around and allow a clown like Davud UK tell US ESB that Hatton has the majority of black boxing fans in the UK...c'mon for you EBB member from across the atlantic, this statement is like saying George Bush has the majority black vote:admin. It'

It isn't against your motion or the opposite of that, I didn't call anyone names and expect not to be called. Yeah, it's stupid that anyone of us backs up one individual for ethnical, political or cultural reasons even, cause these guys don't have the slightest respect about us so why should I cheer em up? It's stupid... Nobody can prove what the other member claimed to be true cause the survey that could legitimize such an argument would be anti-ethical by modern society standards so if it's not proved, it could be false or not... Sure you don't need to see that something is there to know about it and there goes your pertinent political paralell, but so my presumptions about this threads are proven correct - outside wars that tend to intensify with the date of the sport event. I have respect for David UK, K2ray and hope we all enjoy the build-up to this upcoming showdown with two great, funny and tough guys like Floyd Mayweather Jr and Ricky Hatton, but I have to say I have more interest in sharing and discussing boxing with ESB members than in the fighters themselves still...

[K2ray]

What the fuck do you know about race integration in this country? Nothing. None of my black mates feel bothered about watching football or boxing with drunk white Brits, because they all have white mates too. Black people and white people hang around together in Britain, someone who is one colour is more likely to have more friends of the same colour but the issues you imagine to exist are not anything like as you see it.

Drunken white fans in most bars, casinos and pubs will cheer on Hatton because he is a Brit, just like they cheered on Lewis against Tyson, Lewis against Vitali or Lewis against any non Brit.

The football hooligan firms are mixed race, the pubs across the major citys have races mixing. Unless you live in England or have been in for prolonged periods of time and seen something I have not then quit talking out of your ass.

My question is, what percentage of these drunken white fans will shift allegence to Witter when the two eventually meet? (This is not to say witter doesn't have white fans, I'm talking about percentages for each and why they have those percentages. Some here think that NO white fan supports a boxer based on race. So give me your precentages?

[Jimbo]

BTW, Between 6 and 7 black british boxing fans doesn't equate MAJORITY of black british boxing fans..try doing a survey in Brixton sport's hall.:deal Then get back to me.

US ESB, I'm just letting you know the truth and just wish some black british ESB members could/would join this thread to prove the point further. Thanks

Hope you're aware that:

1) Not all black people in the UK live in Brixton.
2) There are black british ESB members in this thread.
:good

[K2ray]

More shite from someone who is talking as if he knows the facts. I am white, I go out in Brixton ALL the time. I drink in pubs there where there are more black people and in ones where it is a 50/50 mix and in others where there are more whites.
I have several friends there and if you go to all night drum and bass nights in pubs like the Telegraph on Brixton Hill, it is about a 50/50 split, whites and blacks with no racial aggro. The Djs tend to be white, the MCs black.....there are Jamaican guys in there, British black guys, British white guys and girls from all over....

Please stop talking about things you have never experienced and know absolutely nothing about.

What you have just wrote has no relevance to my motion (Cmon, I know the UK is multicutural): do you or do you not agree with David UK's notion that the majority of black brits will support Hatton come December 9th. Yes or No?

[GazOC]

True, my posts have been focused on boxing politics (in this case the issue of race in the sport) and I will certainly post more boxing posts unrelated to the politics of boxing.

As a white person, I have to ask do you think you opinion on David UK actually washes with the black community in the UK. I measn could you proudly walk down Brixton high road with a banner claiming such garbage?

No, the threads you started havn't just been about boxing politics in general they've been about black Brits supporting Mayweather and not Hatton. Thats a pretty narrow subject matter....

I don't think mostt peoples individual opinion will wash or carry much weight with a lot of communities, black or otherwise. I do however think DavidUK is right and your agenda on ESB is just to attempt to convince American members that its not and that you are part of a down trodden underclass who will support a black boxer no matter what his nationality......otherwise you'd have posted this crap in the Britsh Forum and asked opinions there...:deal

[Strike]

My question is, what percentage of these drunken white fans will shift allegence to Witter when the two eventually meet? (This is not to say witter doesn't have white fans, I'm talking about percentages for each and why they have those percentages. Some here think that NO white fan supports a boxer based on race. So give me your precentages?
How on earth can I give percentages on something like that? It would be totally meaningless, much like your use of statements that you claim are "facts" when they are the complete antithesis of what constitutes a fact.

Witter is not very well known in comparison to Hatton. Put it this way most English people supported Chris Eubank when he fought Joe Calzaghe who is a white Brit.
Likewise when Naseem Hamed fought white British fighters like Paul Ingle (who won the world title from Junior Jones) most of the white crowd supported Hamed, because he was more famous and seen as a great.

People from Ingles home town supported Ingle, like the people from Sunderland supported white Billy Hardy when he fought Hamed and pretty much every other white fan supported Hamed.

How many white Brits do you think were supporting Jenson Button in the F1 racing this year as opposed to Lewis Hamilton? Fuck all.

[K2ray]

Hope you're aware that:

1) Not all black people in the UK live in Brixton.
2) There are black british ESB members in this thread.
:good

1) True. Brixton is an example. The rule applies in all other black populated neighbourhoods in the UK
2)Then let them post. These are the ones I want US ESB to hear.
:good

[Jimbo]

My question is, what percentage of these drunken white fans will shift allegence to Witter when the two eventually meet? (This is not to say witter doesn't have white fans, I'm talking about percentages for each and why they have those percentages. Some here think that NO white fan supports a boxer based on race. So give me your precentages?

Hatton has a huge regional fan base and his constant TV appearances and "down to earth" (media constructed or otherwise) personality mean that he is very well known so if Hatton met Witter he would have much more support than Witter who struggles to sell tickets. Is this because he is white? I wouldn't say so.

Anyway, I think we all know that (unfortunately) Hatton and Witter will never meet.

[Strike]

What you have just wrote has no relevance to my motion (Cmon, I know the UK is multicutural): do you or do you not agree with David UK's notion that the majority of black brits will support Hatton come December 9th. Yes or No?

I think it will be split. There are the young chip on the shoulder black lads who will support PBF based on race, there are those who will support him due to his style and there are those who will support him due to the fact that he seems more into what they like ie hip-hop, bling bling etc.

On the other side there will be lots of black fans who will support Hatton as a Brit and the non boxing fans who only watch the big fights will be very likely to support Hatton based on being British.

I have no idea what the split will be.

[K2ray]

No, the threads you started havn't just been about boxing politics in general they've been about black Brits supporting Mayweather and not Hatton. Thats a pretty narrow subject matter....

I don't think mostt peoples individual opinion will wash or carry much weight with a lot of communities, black or otherwise. I do however think DavidUK is right and your agenda on ESB is just to attempt to convince American members that its not and that you are part of a down trodden underclass who will support a black boxer no matter what his nationality......otherwise you'd have posted this crap in the Britsh Forum and asked opinions there...:deal

Well this is where all the action is (e.g. lively debates). Plus I never said boxing politics in general. I said an issue of boxing politics and one which goes far back as Muhammed Ali actually even further....and no cars are being burnt/shops being looted as a result of this thread so where's the agenda?

[Strike]

1) True. Brixton is an example. The rule applies in all other black populated neighbourhoods in the UK
2)Then let them post. These are the ones I want US ESB to hear.
:good

You have heard some of them post and you ignored what they said or said that the black people in question obviously did not know all the facts.:patsch:lol:

[Jimbo]

2)Then let them post. These are the ones I want US ESB to hear.
:good

Just because they don't agree with you it doesn't mean they don't exist.

[Jimbo]

..and no cars are being burnt/shops being looted as a result of this thread so where's the agenda?

The agenda is to represent yourself as speaking for black people in Britain re Hatton.

[K2ray]

You have heard some of them post and you ignored what they said or said that the black people in question obviously did not know all the facts.:patsch:lol:

Tha one dude said his uncle (didn't say if they were direct blood related)or someone is mixed, is that the ESB(s) you refer to?
(If it is), Wow what a large number of Black UK ESB members that is:patsch

[K2ray]

The agenda is to represent yourself as speaking for black people in Britain re Hatton.

Nah, to epresent the average black british boxing fan. Do you think I'm in the minority (when it comes to supporting PBF)...

I don't like Hatton for many reason (e.g awful use of the science of boxing), but in particular his association with Manning and now Joey Barton has strengthened my dislike (not to mention Hatton Huggers continued depiction of him as a nice guy who can laugh at Bernard Manning's racist jokes)

[Strike]

Tha one dude said his uncle (didn't say if they were direct blood related)or someone is mixed, is that the ESB(s) you refer to?
(If it is), Wow what a large number of Black UK ESB members that is:patsch

Try going back and reading what Scurla said, he is black and said he will support PBF due to styles but that you are way off in regards to your statements on race.

Who knows more Black Brits, you or every British person on these boards?

[Jimbo]

Nah, to epresent the average black british boxing fan. Do you think I'm in the minority (when it comes to supporting PBF)...

I don't like Hatton for many reason (e.g awful use of the science of boxing), but in particular his association with Manning and now Joey Barton has strengthened my dislike (not to mention Hatton Huggers continued depiction of him as a nice guy who can laugh at Bernard Manning's racist jokes)

You are representing yourself as speaking for black people in Britain's view of Hatton, not just boxing fans.

I don't like Manning either and don't like the whole "just cos he tells racist jokes doesn't mean he's a racist" argument, but I don't presume that Hatton is a racist. What those mentioned in the articles (Rooney, Flintoff, Manning & Barton) have in common is that they're celebrities in the Manchester area and Hatton will have met them this way. The list could also have included Micah Richards and Rio Ferdinand who have also done similar things (charity gigs, coming to his fights etc) with Hatton and if asked in an interview I'm sure he'd also refer to them as friends.

The Barton-as-racist thing is pretty lame and tenuous in the extreme. I don't think anyone would disagree that he seems like a bit of a cunt, but to use him as evidence of Hatton being racist is weak.

[GazOC]

Forget Joey Barton FFS, you've already lost that argument...theres no evidence of Barton being a racist let alone Hatton.

[Strike]

Nah, to epresent the average black british boxing fan. Do you think I'm in the minority (when it comes to supporting PBF)...

I don't like Hatton for many reason (e.g awful use of the science of boxing), but in particular his association with Manning and now Joey Barton

:patsch:patsch:patsch

Joey Barton played for Hattons team. Bartons half brother who Barton had nothing to do with was a racist...so what?
It bears no relation to Hatton at all.

[K2ray]

K2ray ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) ur the only 1 voicing the opinion "that all black people of britain will support floyd mayweather".

LOL....dont u notice that?


all my black friends ((UR BRUTHUZ :nut ))....at the boxing gym....most of them support Hatton.Just 1 guy supports Mayweather...becus he thinks he fights like him....BUT not becus he's black & has the same race as Mayweather.

They dislike Mayweather just like everyone dislikes Mayweather...he flashes his bling bling & rude,disrespectful & is very arogant,

K2ray ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) are u black & are u rascist towards people of other races?
(although u wont admit it...u are,& have a problem).

People like u divide & segregated society,making it worse.

You are the racist with your stereotypes. We don't all speak Ebonics (if your intelligent to know what that measn, you prick)

..so you surveyed the blacks in Brixton, etc then? Let's see:deal

[K2ray]

K2ray ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) ur the only 1 voicing the opinion "that all black people of britain will support floyd mayweather".LOL....dont u notice that?

dickwit, that's because so far we have established other than myself there is one other black ESB member form the UK who is black.:good

Everyother UK ESB memeber who has responded in this post has been white including yourself:good

[K2ray]

You are representing yourself as speaking for black people in Britain's view of Hatton, not just boxing fans.

I don't like Manning either and don't like the whole "just cos he tells racist jokes doesn't mean he's a racist" argument

jimbo you are probably the only one UK white ESB member who I respect with this. Every single other UK White ESB member has DEFENDED everything Manning stands for.

What does that say about the opinions regarding race (just don't seem them responding stoned face to a Manning show when he makes a racist joke).

[VIPERMAN]

who gives a fuck who blacks in britain want to win the fight. it's a free country, if you want pbf its your decision - big deal. if a white dude wants pbf, its their decision big deal.
its only a boxing fmatch.

i wanted barrera to bang the fuck out of hamed, not cos i'm a racist but because i wanted to see the cocky little fucker get his ass kicked.

[Strike]

jimbo you are probably the only one UK white ESB member who I respect with this. Every single other UK White ESB member has DEFENDED everything Manning stands for.

What does that say about the opinions regarding race (just don't seem them responding stoned face to a Manning show when he makes a racist joke).

Well that is a lie. Where the fuck have I defended Manning? Name the white UK members who have said anything positive about Manning?

And as for your "so you have surveyed the black people of Brixton" bullshit...what a lame comeback. Have YOU? You started the thread, you claimed that it was a FACT that most black British boxing fans will be supporting PBF and when people who live in Britain, have black friends or are themselves black and who live in black areas tell you that you are talking bullshit, you say "Have you surveyed them".:rofl:rofl:patsch

Let us rest assured that I know more black Brits than you do, know more about Brixton than you do and have spent more time in British black areas and seen first hand mixed crowds in pubs and at sporting events than you have.

Every black lad I know is supporting Hatton (if they care about the fight at all) and one of my mates is going to Vegas to watch it with several other black lads including music producers like K-Gee and other British Black Music Industry figures...funnily enough all supporting Hatton.

[skellington]

We You You We Them You Us We Them You Them Us Them Us

[Jack]

Just on the Manning point, I was mentioning him a lot earlier, but didn't defend him once. I proved that he had black friends and fans, which is something K2ray didn't reply to, conveniantly.

I don't find him funny, but to imply he was racist is a lie. A racist act? Obviously, but it's no different to Edward Norton being a racist in a film, yet not in real life. Do I belive Manning was racist? No. Therefore, to say Hatton is racist because he is his friend, is ludicrous.

[K2ray]

Let us rest assured that I know more black Brits than you do, know more about Brixton than you do and have spent more time in British black areas

I live in Brixton and am a black man!

Your most ridiculous statement is like me saying the follwoing to the queen of england: I know more about white people than you do because I was born in a borugh of London where the majority where white, the schools were white, my mates were white, I went to a local white pub, etc, etc:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[K2ray]

Name the white UK members who have said anything positive about Manning?


This is what Jack wrote just a minute ago:

Do I belive Manning was racist? No
If this isn't defending him by basically saying Manning was acting (FOR WHO?):patsch

[K2ray]

Every black lad I know is supporting Hatton (if they care about the fight at all) and one of my mates is going to Vegas to watch it with several other black lads including music producers like K-Gee and other British Black Music Industry figures...funnily enough all supporting Hatton.

Gotcha! How can you contradict yourself by saying one moment your so-called "black mates" are all behined Hatton and the next they don't care about the fight. Maybe they are just saying they donöt care because they don't want you to get the wrong impression if they say their true feelings about who they want to win. Believe they wonät be crying rivers after Hatton get plummeted unlike most of his white british fans:good

..BTW, are those big time black producers you harped on about also amongst those not caring about the fight? You make out that the number of black Hatton fans flying to Vegas are in the hundreds. NOT! Those producers are going for the occassion and I can guarantee you will not be sheding tears/swearing/etc after PBF destroys Hatton.

[K2ray]

I don't find him funny, but to imply he was racist is a lie. A racist act? Obviously, but it's no different to Edward Norton being a racist in a film, yet not in real life. Do I belive Manning was racist? No. Therefore, to say Hatton is racist because he is his friend, is ludicrous.

An Edward Norton film will have a moral to the story (e.g some redemption story line). Manning fans walk in then walk out as prejudiced as they walked in.

..YOU GOT OWNED:hi:

[Strike]

I live in Brixton and am a black man!

Your most ridiculous statement is like me saying the follwoing to the queen of england: I know more about white people than you do because I was born in a borugh of London where the majority where white, the schools were white, my mates were white, I went to a local white pub, etc, etc:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Fair enough, everything you had written implied you were American and asking for British opinion.
In that case you will know full well how mixed Brixton is and how places like The Telegraph are totally mixed with no racial tension.

[K2ray]

And as for your "so you have surveyed the black people of Brixton" bullshit...what a lame comeback. Have YOU? You started the thread, you claimed that it was a FACT that most black British boxing fans will be supporting PBF and when people who live in Britain, have black friends or are themselves black and who live in black areas tell you that you are talking bullshit, you say "Have you surveyed them".:rofl:rofl:patsch



Dude, you can't count. There has been ONE black UK ESB who disagrees with me, just ONE

..oh and the same ole: my friend is black routine that racists use is being used by you and many other UK ESB members.:hi:

[K2ray]

Fair enough, everything you had written implied you were American and asking for British opinion.
In that case you will know full well how mixed Brixton is and how places like The Telegraph are totally mixed with no racial tension.

This is irrelevant to the issue surrounding Hatton friendship with Manning, etc and the subsequent support he doesn't have with the black british boxing community as a result.

[K2ray]

I'm out. Let other's continue this debate as well as education of ignorant UK White ESB members on what black british boxing fans deep-down think of Hatton (particuarly in relation to the PBF fight).

[Strike]

Gotcha! How can you contradict yourself by saying one moment your so-called "black mates" are all behined Hatton and the next they don't care about the fight.

Erm...you did not get me or catch me contradicting myself. My black mates who give even a slight fuck about boxing are supporting Hatton. My black mates who do not watch boxing at all, do not even know who Mayweather is and do not give a fuck about the sport. If I asked them who they want to win, they would say "Who gives a shit".

..BTW, are those big time black producers you harped on about also amongst those not caring about the fight? You make out that the number of black Hatton fans flying to Vegas are in the hundreds. NOT! Those producers are going for the occassion and I can guarantee you will not be sheding tears/swearing/etc after PBF destroys Hatton.

I hardly harped on about them, nor did I say they were amongst hundreds going. And my favourite part is your guaranteeing me what my friends will be doing, right up to you telling me they wont be swearing if Hatton gets destroyed.:lol::lol:

Mainly they are going for the occasion yes. They are neither the guys I count as boxing fans or those who do not care at all, they are going for the occasion and supporting Hatton because he is a Brit....when he loses they wont be devestated because they don't really follow the sport properly, but they want him to win, they are cheering him on, just like guys like Dyer, Ferdinand etc are too.

[Strike]

Dude, you can't count. There has been ONE black UK ESB who disagrees with me, just ONE

..oh and the same ole: my friend is black routine that racists use is being used by you and many other UK ESB members.:hi:

Oh sorry, so I am racist now because I have told you I have black friends who are supporting Hatton.:lol:
Shit...so basically you make up the rules and decide that I must either:

a) Agree with you

Or..

b) Disagree with you but deny the fact I have anything other than white friends because to say otherwise means I am probably racist.

Brilliant.

[Bigcat]

K2RAY..............

mmmmmmmmmm Now let me think...

You are 12.. You listened to some of your Daddysold musical Youth records, and you eat Rice , Chicken and peas coz your uncle says thats what u should eat , coz e from Jamaica....

You av de Braids in yer Air....

And your a fuckin idiot..............

Oh and you were brought up finkin dat all you colour folks shud watch boxin ...

Coz it B a black man sport..

You are typically racist ............ KNOB !!!

[K2ray]

K2RAY..............

mmmmmmmmmm Now let me think...

You are 12.. You listened to some of your Daddysold musical Youth records, and you eat Rice , Chicken and peas coz your uncle says thats what u should eat , coz e from Jamaica....

You av de Braids in yer Air....

And your a fuckin idiot..............

Oh and you were brought up finkin dat all you colour folks shud watch boxin ...

Coz it B a black man sport..

You are typically racist ............ KNOB !!!

Go get an education ([Only registered and activated users can see links]_definition)!:hi:

[K2ray]

Coz it B a black man sport..You are typically racist ............ KNOB !!!

This is a typical example of the pot calling the kettel black...we don't all speak like that you RACIST wanker!:-(

[Bigcat]

i have a degree ...........

And you young man should keep race away from the forum if you can't take it in reverse.. I am the furthest thing from racist you could image, i just wondered if you could handle a race issue if it were thrown at you..

the answer i take it is ... mmmm NO..

God bless..

[IrnBruMan]

So K2ray, what exactly is is that you are trying to point out here?

Sorry, I've come into this whole thing pretty late, and there seems to be reference to some article that I haven't read.

Would you mind telling me what your point is, in bullet point format if possible?

[K2ray]

i have a degree ...........

And you young man should keep race away from the forum if you can't take it in reverse.. I am the furthest thing from racist you could image, i just wondered if you could handle a race issue if it were thrown at you..

the answer i take it is ... mmmm NO..

God bless..

dude unless your a freak who likes men:scaredas:, this sentence is without substance. You imply that I have made stereotype of the way white british folks talk, swagger, etc. So please :dealprovide evidence of me making such steroetypical attacks (which btw, I have received a number of times by so-called non-racist UK ESB members). If no evidence, then please STFU!

Saying the majority of black folks will be rooting for PBF is not a racist statement particular when its backed-up with the fact that many will know Hatton has associations with known racist (so far its been two UK celebrities).

[K2ray]

So K2ray, what exactly is is that you are trying to point out here?

Sorry, I've come into this whole thing pretty late, and there seems to be reference to some article that I haven't read.

Would you mind telling me what your point is, in bullet point format if possible?

Hi Mutley,

This started off of an article done in Sunday's observer sport supplement You can read it here ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Basically most black boxing fans in the UK would already know that Hatton has strong affilitiations with the known racist comedian Bernard Manning. This article draws light that he also is a close friend of the thug footballer (and BNP pin up boy-after decking the black player Ousmane Dabo)...anyway with this in mind here are my points:


(Unlike the ridiculous and unproven statement made by David UK,) the majority of black boxing fans/people in the UK will be rooting for PBF come December the 9th.
Some may support him just because he is black (this is clearly evident with many Hatton fans too,mind you), however many will support PBF because of Hatton's continued associations (He has even defended Manning over the race issue) with know racists....people like David UK in their statements are implying PBF is so evil (worse than a Hitler/Bin Laden) that even his own people are against him:patsch...

We have to remember that even if one is evil, they will still get the support (to some degree) of their own people, the great example being OJ.

I coming with facts to back my claims, every white UK ESB so far hasn't.

[K2ray]

i have a degree ...........

..but don't seem to know what racism is:huh

let me educate your tired ass (taken from Wiki ([Only registered and activated users can see links]_definition):
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[bill poster]

K2 has Ricky said or done anything racist? Bernard Manning is a local celebrity and and to call Ricky racist would be calling the whole area racist.
I don't think you understand the mindset of that part of england at all. I think you need a Little Britain box set for xmas

[skellington]

...people like David UK in their statements are implying PBF is so evil (worse than a Hitler/Bin Laden) that even his own people are against him:patsch...

We have to remember that even if one is evil, they will still get the support (to some degree) of their own people, the great example being OJ.


Thing is, is that you're not american, you're British. Don't you see how you are insulting people by taking this stance?

[K2ray]

Thing is, is that you're not american, you're British. Don't you see how you are insulting people by taking this stance?
Dude, I don't mean to insult British folk. Like you said I'm british too. But does that mean I now have to support a boxer who has know associations with people who think they are superior to me? NO.

If Hatton didn't have these associations plus utilised the science of boxing to the fullest. I would be have his back. No doubt.

You need to remember, the first fight I can remeber well in my early childhood was the infamous Hagler v Minter finale ([Only registered and activated users can see links]_career). That memory will forever be etched in the back of my mind (I can forgive, yes, but I will never forget)...most white british boxing fans want to do both (forgive & forget) and that's what pisses me off.

I just wished there were more honest UK ESB member like Jack (although his reasoning why is too one dimensional) willing to come out and say: YES, the majority of black british boxing fans will be supporting Mayweather. This thread could then be closed.

[BOOKA]

Never said there wasn't. But seeing as the UK (unlike a few other European nations) has over 50 years of Black/Asian's residing in the country, it should and can do better. Don't you agree?:bbbPEACE

Have you done a poll of who each black boxing fan residing in the UK wants to win ?

I doubt you have, so therefore you don't have any facts you f*cking idiot.

Are you employed ?

[BOOKA]

I just wished there were more honest UK ESB member like Jack (although his reasoning why is too one dimensional) willing to come out and say: YES, the majority of black british boxing fans will be supporting Mayweather. This thread could then be closed.

Out of my 3 asian friends and 5 black friends

1 wants PBF to win

7 want Hatton to win

[K2ray]

K2 has Ricky said or done anything racist? Bernard Manning is a local celebrity and and to call Ricky racist would be calling the whole area racist.
I don't think you understand the mindset of that part of england at all. I think you need a Little Britain box set for xmas

Dude has defended Manning saying something on the lines that his racist jokes were misunderstood:patsch. True hatton huggers can't deny he has said such a statement:deal

About Little Britain, I don't watch because it is generally not my kind of humour. I'm not Patriotic like that. I would have to say that MadTV/Daily Show, is more my kind of thing:good

[K2ray]

Out of my 3 asian friends and 5 black friends

1 wants PBF to win

7 want Hatton to win
They'll say anything to keep you happy...however behined their front door...well let's just say they won't be shedding any tears when PBF reins supreme:good...


...btw, why don't you inform them of Hatton's obsession with Manning and close friendship with the likes of Joey Barton. Let's see if the view stays the same:bart

[K2ray]

Have you done a poll of who each black boxing fan residing in the UK wants to win ?

I doubt you have, so therefore you don't have any facts you f*cking idiot.

Are you employed ?

Irrelevant since it is backed by past history of similar events. I guess you think blacks supported Minter more than Hagler when they faught too-since they are equally patriotic. you prick:rofl:rofl:rofl

Even recent ones such as the World Cup (Eng v Brasil-majority black people support brasil even if this is receding).

[MancMexican]

They'll say anything to keep you happy...however behined their front door...well let's just say they won't be shedding any tears when PBF reins supreme:good...


...btw, why don't you inform them of Hatton's obsession with Manning and close friendship with the likes of Joey Barton. Let's see if the view stays the same:bart


Maybe you just need to accept that not everyone with the same skin tone as you thinks the same as you.

I don't presume to label all the people with my colouring with my views

[MancMexican]

Irrelevant since it is backed by past history of similar events. I guess you think blacks supported Minter more than Hagler when they faught too-since they are equally patriotic. you prick:rofl:rofl:rofl

Even recent ones such as the World Cup (Eng v Brasil-majority black people support brasil even if this is receding).


If that's the case then its a shocking indictment of the black mentality

[K2ray]

If that's the case then its a shocking indictment of the black mentality

Are your referring to the hagler minter fight or supporting brazil.

In fairness to the supporting brazil thing I did state that this majority support has been dwindling over the years. It's a fact Black folks in the older genration are more likely to support brazil and for a number of reasons none racist. For example, In the past UK Football wasn't always welcoming of black players and these things aren't so easy to foget (remember the booing of Barnes at England games?) not too mention these folks could have appreciated the skills brazil (e.g. the 1970 winning team) brought to the playing field. These black folks had allegence a longtime ago and see no reason why they should change as long as brazil continue to play the samba football.

With this in mind, I ask you: what's so shockingabout that?

[K2ray]

If that's the case then its a shocking indictment of the black mentality

:heyAnd neither did I say it is a good thing that black support Brazil more (when the face England)...so don't go calling me a racist (read what it means from previous page).

[K2ray]

Maybe you just need to accept that not everyone with the same skin tone as you thinks the same as you.

I don't presume to label all the people with my colouring with my views
Tell me this would you still support say for example, Amir Khan, if it was found that he had associations with (let's say from the top of my head) Osama Bin Lahden's brother (a brother who was know to still be in contact with Osama)? and then Amir also was associated with a fundamentalist cleric who had been known to make derogratory statements against the West? Or would you shrug it off and say well Khans british, I got his back:happy....:think

(This also goes out to all other ignorant UK ESB members).

[MancMexican]

Tell me this would you still support say for example, Amir Khan, if it was found that he had associations with (let's say from the top of my head) Osama Bin Lahden's brother (a brother who was know to still be in contact with Osama)? and a cleric who had been known to make derogratory statements about the West? Or would you shrug it off and say well Khans british, I got his back:happy....:think

(This also goes out to all other ignorant UK ESB members).

I judge a person on the merits of their own character, not their associations and how dare you call me ignorant, you are the most bias, prejudiced, ill-informed, rascist, ignorant guy on this forum
:deal

[K2ray]

I judge a person on the merits of their own character, not their associations and how dare you call me ignorant, you are the most bias, prejudiced, ill-informed, rascist, ignorant guy on this forum
:deal

Correct spelling is: racism:good

...BTW, I've got to quote BigReg in response to your last sentence(from an earlier thread where the likes of David UK were totally schooled ([Only registered and activated users can see links]):rofl)

You see, this statement in itself is racist. Being racist is a negative attribute which is fueled by ignorance. Stating that Black people are more racist than White people is, in a way, making a claim that White people are less ignorant, and therefore, superior to Black people. Claiming one race be superior to another is the very definition of racism.

[K2ray]

Tell me this would you still support say for example, Amir Khan, if it was found that he had associations with (let's say from the top of my head) Osama Bin Lahden's brother (a brother who was know to still be in contact with Osama)? and a cleric who had been known to make derogratory statements about the West? Or would you shrug it off and say well Khans british, I got his back:happy....:think

(This also goes out to all other ignorant UK ESB members).

MancMexican, you haven't given your answer to this scenario yet:huh..keep thinking

[IrnBruMan]

Hi Mutley,

This started off of an article done in Sunday's observer sport supplement You can read it here ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Basically most black boxing fans in the UK would already know that Hatton has strong affilitiations with the known racist comedian Bernard Manning. This article draws light that he also is a close friend of the thug footballer (and BNP pin up boy-after decking the black player Ousmane Dabo)...anyway with this in mind here are my points:

(Unlike the ridiculous and unproven statement made by David UK,) the majority of black boxing fans/people in the UK will be rooting for PBF come December the 9th.
Some may support him just because he is black (this is clearly evident with many Hatton fans too,mind you), however many will support PBF because of Hatton's continued associations (He has even defended Manning over the race issue) with know racists....people like David UK in their statements are implying PBF is so evil (worse than a Hitler/Bin Laden) that even his own people are against him:patsch...

We have to remember that even if one is evil, they will still get the support (to some degree) of their own people, the great example being OJ.

I coming with facts to back my claims, every white UK ESB so far hasn't.

Dear K2ray,
Kind regards.
Thank you for responding in such a clear and concise manner. I can now see what your grievances are concerning Hatton, and in part, concerning David UK.
You believe that because Hatton is friends with a local comedian who has made racist jokes in his show, that Hatton is also racist.
You believe that because Hatton is friends with a soccer player who has in the past beaten up a black soccer player, and who has a well-known racist for a half-brother who murdered a black teenager, that Hatton is also racist.
You have put forward these facts to back up your claims that Ricky Hatton is racist.
You disagree with David UK, because he said the majority of black boxing fans in the UK will be supporting Hatton when he fights Mayweather. You claim the opposite, that the majority of black boxing fans in the UK will in fact be supporting Mayweather.
I pose these question to you:
1. What sort of fucking idiot looking to create something out of nothing are you.
2. Where is your proof that the majority of black boxing fans in the UK will be supporting Mayweather when he fights Hatton.
3. Why does being friends with a comedian who cracks racist jokes and a man who's estranged half-brother is a well-known racist who committed a hate murder make one a racist.
4. Do you think Mayweather is also racist, as he is a black American and comedian Chris Rock is also a black American, well known for his racist jokes.
5. Will you fuck off with your victim mentality and get a life.
I hope we can engage in intelligent and lively debate on this subject.
Yours fuckyourmotheryouvictimracecardplayingcunt,
muttley

[Bigcat]

He is only a one trick pony...

He is so single minded that he cant hear you through his thick braided cabbage..

[GazOC]

Did I just see Joey Bartons half brother being compared to Osama bin Laden???? What a fucking muppet!!

[GazOC]

Even recent ones such as the World Cup (Eng v Brasil-majority black people support brasil even if this is receding).

Total bollocks...:lol:

The majority of blacks are Mayweather lovers and Brazil fans? Don't make me laugh. I know you're the voice of the brothers on these matters but no way is that true....:patsch

[AllyT]

Tell me this would you still support say for example, Amir Khan, if it was found that he had associations with (let's say from the top of my head) Osama Bin Lahden's brother (a brother who was know to still be in contact with Osama)? and then Amir also was associated with a fundamentalist cleric who had been known to make derogratory statements against the West? Or would you shrug it off and say well Khans british, I got his back:happy....:think

(This also goes out to all other ignorant UK ESB members).

Your analogy is not a fair one, as the scale of the associates is not balanced; neither Manning nor Barton, however offensive, can be compared to Bin Laden. That said I would still under these circumstances support Khan against a boxer who was not based in Scotland. Knowing someone who knows someone can be pinned on anyone, Dom Jolly went to school with Osama Bin Laden, it does not make him a terrorist. Equally knowing someone who said, "the West is pants", carries no weight. Many of the upper classes of the USA are associates of various members of the Bin Laden family. Support at my club is divided for this bout but not on race but on style and who was an early influence.

[K2ray]

I pose these question to you:
2. Where is your proof that the majority of black boxing fans in the UK will be supporting Mayweather when he fights Hatton.
4. Do you think Mayweather is also racist, as he is a black American and comedian Chris Rock is also a black American, well known for his racist jokes.


Doosh bag (i thought you were going to be one of the few who showed me respect, but I guess not:-( ), you came onto this thread late ,but again like other UK white ESB members don't read all my responses. If so, you would have know that I don't need to bring proof (I have past history to back my claim)...it is clowns like David UK who need to bring proof to the table because there has never been an example in past history of such support!

Many folks in this thread have even implied Joey Barton is a friend of the black man. This is a sign of desperation in order to counter my strong arguement that black people generally don't trust/like the man.

People have laughed my Amir Khan scenario (not comparison of like v like-your too quick to jump the gun). mutley, you then go on to say the most ridiculous thing so far in this thread, that PBF is a racist just because he is black!:rofl :rofl

Regarding Chris Rock, well I suggest you do a youtube of his recent concert where you will see the audience was 50:50 Black White (if not more white)..further dude has hosted the MTV Music Awards (don't see a white run organization like MTV choosing a racist to host their biggest show, do you?) as well as the even more white Academy Awards....:patsch

...Mutley go catch a fucking pigeon:thumbsup

[K2ray]

Your analogy is not a fair one, as the scale of the associates is not balanced; neither Manning nor Barton, however offensive, can be compared to Bin Laden. That said I would still under these circumstances support Khan against a boxer who was not based in Scotland. Knowing someone who knows someone can be pinned on anyone, Dom Jolly went to school with Osama Bin Laden, it does not make him a terrorist. Equally knowing someone who said, "the West is pants", carries no weight. Many of the upper classes of the USA are associates of various members of the Bin Laden family. Support at my club is divided for this bout but not on race but on style and who was an early influence.

Fair enough. I respect your opinion and you have been one of the few who have shown me enough respect to respond respectfully to my posts.

[K2ray]

I know you're the voice of the brothers on these matters but no way is that true....:patsch

Don't you think these 2 statements contradict each other. Go get an eduction:good

[K2ray]

He is only a one trick pony...

He is so single minded that he cant hear you through his thick braided cabbage..

Did you NOT read the WIKI definition of what a RACIST is? You could get banned if you continue your racial stereotyping!

[Bigcat]

Its a boxing Forum .. Not a Blak supremacy forum..

Take yo braids elsewhere....... te he..