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Does not possess the hand speed, the power or the technical ability to beat any of the top 3 guys (mundine, Kess or JC) in the SMW division. Against Bika he looked slow, didn't appear to be carrying any sort of power, and put new meaning to the word one dimensional. I have watched his prior fights and haven't been caught up in the hype, and am now convinced that this guy is very over rated. What was your opinion on his performance vs Bika, and how do you think he will compete against the top guys from here on in?
Decebal
06-17-2007, 08:44 PM
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:smooch
He looked SLOW against Bika??????wtf do you have watch the same fight that I saw?
Slow in comparison to the top 3 guys YES. Slow in general no.
Decebal
06-17-2007, 08:56 PM
I am not sure how good Bute really is but it would be wrong to call him "hyped", just because he's got some fans on ESB who post some threads about him...He is more than a prospect at SMW now. This is good news. The division is richer now than it was before Bute. Bute has arrived. We'll see how far he can go.
You are gonna tell me that Kessler possess more handspeed than Bute? Beside the fact of the defense of Bute, he don't really have BIG disadvantage of the other 3. Mundine lost by KO against Ottke! And we all know taht Ottke isnt a big puncher! Kessler power is overrated, if he hit so strong, why he doesnt have knocked the poor chin Mundine? Stop hating on Bute 'cause he has a big hype. The only one and only who can say that AT THIS TIME he can beat Bute easily is Calzaghe 'cause of the defense of Bute, but Bute know his defense suck now, he will work at, he will knock Berrio ass, after he will beat lacy. He will challenge Kessler and beat him SQUARE, Bute isnt Andrade who wasnt able to fight back, Bute can take a punch and hell can give you a punch
No way he beats any of the top guys. He won't beat Kessler now way. Kessler is faster, stronger and better. He won't beat Mundine, because Mundine is faster and more skilled and he won't beat JC for all of the reasons above.
PorkChopExpress
06-17-2007, 09:09 PM
I was unimpressed also... I have no worries about a potential Mundine match up, where-as before hand i wasn't so sure...
The only thing working his way is that Bika is a hard man to control and it's never easy to look good against him.
He's got potential, but needs to make the absolute most of it!
Decebal
06-17-2007, 09:13 PM
He's got potential, but needs to make the absolute most of it!
:good Let's hope he keeps being hungry!
Amsterdam
06-17-2007, 09:23 PM
Kessler does have better handspeed, he's just a different type of fighter. He has better handspeed and better accuracy, Kessler's best combinations are quicker than Bute's in the long run and they have way more on them.
Dekkers
06-17-2007, 09:26 PM
I think Bute is very well rounded as a fighter, I like a fighter than can fight inside and out and can vary the offence to the body and head, he just needs to patch up his defence a bit. As for his hands they are quick, perhaps just a fraction slower than Kesslers.
1lehudson
06-17-2007, 09:51 PM
I wasnt impressed by this kid....I think that he has alot of un******ted hype surrounding him. The only thing that impressed me was the adjustment he made, because over the first 4 or 5 rounds he was getting his ass kicked, and he ate alot of left hooks, ala Vargas, and we see where things ended for Vargas.
boxfan99
06-17-2007, 09:58 PM
You are gonna tell me that Kessler possess more handspeed than Bute? Beside the fact of the defense of Bute, he don't really have BIG disadvantage of the other 3. Mundine lost by KO against Ottke! And we all know taht Ottke isnt a big puncher! Kessler power is overrated, if he hit so strong, why he doesnt have knocked the poor chin Mundine? Stop hating on Bute 'cause he has a big hype. The only one and only who can say that AT THIS TIME he can beat Bute easily is Calzaghe 'cause of the defense of Bute, but Bute know his defense suck now, he will work at, he will knock Berrio ass, after he will beat lacy. He will challenge Kessler and beat him SQUARE, Bute isnt Andrade who wasnt able to fight back, Bute can take a punch and hell can give you a punch
You may be right down the stretch, but right now this is a pretty strong statement almost bordering to hugging I'm afraid.;)
boxfan99
06-17-2007, 10:00 PM
I said Hyped 'cause I live in Montreal and yeah in Montreal he is REALLY hyped but that's cool 'cause the boxe in Montreal is strong like hell!
Nothing is more blinding than patriotism/localpatriotism.:-(
El Bombasto
06-17-2007, 10:03 PM
Does not possess the hand speed, the power or the technical ability to beat any of the top 3 guys (mundine, Kess or JC) in the SMW division. Against Bika he looked slow, didn't appear to be carrying any sort of power, and put new meaning to the word one dimensional. I have watched his prior fights and haven't been caught up in the hype, and am now convinced that this guy is very over rated. What was your opinion on his performance vs Bika, and how do you think he will compete against the top guys from here on in?
Well, given that he's only 27, I think he still has time to catch-up with the top tier
Im very impressed by Bute and can understand why the french-canadians/romanians are excited about this guy.
can he dominate the division? time will tell , but at the moment i think hes a clear 4th in the division behind Kess , calzaghe and mundine.
I do like the path his handlers are following though , his opponents are gradually building his resume and confidence at the right pace.
robert ungurean
06-17-2007, 10:23 PM
I also thought he looked a bit slow,also looked like he was pushing alot of punches instead of snapping them out.
In_FlaMeS
06-17-2007, 10:23 PM
québecwarrior ... salut men :thumbsup
Nothing is more blinding than patriotism/localpatriotism.:-(
Too right.
Jambon
06-18-2007, 12:22 AM
All the excuses we heard from the JC fans are also good for Bute. The less experience fighter took longer to adjust to Bika strange and nasty style. Once he did there was nothing left Bika could do, he was one or two rounds shy of knocking him out and not much reached him by the end. The fact that he did adjust is a sign he can go far.
PH|LLA
06-18-2007, 12:27 AM
:lol: at the moron who thought he was being dominated at the beginning of the fight. He lost 2 clear rounds, and even in those he was never hurt.
It maybe looked like he was getting his ass kicked to the very untrained eye but a real boxing fan can tell that he was getting in good punches to the body and was never in danger.
Jambon
06-18-2007, 12:42 AM
:lol: at the moron who thought he was being dominated at the beginning of the fight. He lost 2 clear rounds, and even in those he was never hurt.
It maybe looked like he was getting his ass kicked to the very untrained eye but a real boxing fan can tell that he was getting in good punches to the body and was never in danger.
Is was still put out of is game in the biggening of the fight. Even while he was the only one hitting with meaningfull punchs, yes the hooks to the body, he was unprecise with with other shots and did not hold the center of the ring. He clearly lost round two and three.
What some see as poor defence and settling in to is style is aslo BS. He reacted poorly after the headbuts and Bika was very quick at releasing punchs afetr clinchs. When he started blocking the head with is shoulder and holding it when the got in a clinch Bika became armless and desperate. Great performance, learning experience and he proved alot.
The only people who can diss Bute and this fight are intelectually dishonest JC fans who are afraid of comparison. They spent months telling everybody that Bika had a style that makes the other fighter look bad and that he had is place in the ring with the best boxer to ever live.
teekay00
08-23-2007, 06:05 AM
he looked slow how? he was fighting one of the dirtiest boxers who kept trying to headbutt him if you watched the fight. I think if Joe Calzaghe said that Bika was the toughest fight of his career, and Bute fought just as good a fight against Bika as JC if not better. That is pretty good for Bute dont you think? Lucian Bute would not mind fighting Calzaghe or Kessler or anyone else for that matter.
Maxime
08-23-2007, 06:43 AM
But honestly, does it really matter if Bute ends up not being good enough to beat the top3 of the division? I mean we're talking about some pretty damn good fighters here. Calzaghe, Kessler and Mundine are elite fighters. Not only the top of the 168lbs division but some of the best fighters in the world.There is nothing wrong in being a top5 at 168lbs. People are quick to label fighters as bums or overrated when they're not the absolute best in the division. That's wrong.
Terrible Terry
08-23-2007, 06:53 AM
Bute does nothing for me either, he would give Mundine a good fight but he is not on the level of Kessler or Calzaghe. I was very excited for the Bika fight and came away unimpressed as I have in all of Bute's fights. Bute has good technique but is missing the foot work and hand speed of an elite level fighter.
KO Boxing
08-23-2007, 09:30 AM
i think he's a clear fourth behind Calzaghe, Kessler and Mundine...
But honestly, does it really matter if Bute ends up not being good enough to beat the top3 of the division? I mean we're talking about some pretty damn good fighters here. Calzaghe, Kessler and Mundine are elite fighters. Not only the top of the 168lbs division but some of the best fighters in the world.There is nothing wrong in being a top5 at 168lbs. People are quick to label fighters as bums or overrated when they're not the absolute best in the division. That's wrong.
:good
Does not possess the hand speed, the power or the technical ability to beat any of the top 3 guys (mundine, Kess or JC) in the SMW division. Against Bika he looked slow, didn't appear to be carrying any sort of power, and put new meaning to the word one dimensional. I have watched his prior fights and haven't been caught up in the hype, and am now convinced that this guy is very over rated. What was your opinion on his performance vs Bika, and how do you think he will compete against the top guys from here on in?
"the top 3 guys"? Mundine?
Joe is the undisputed nr.1 at present,and there is no doubt that Kessler is the undisputed nr.2 at supermiddle,but Mundine at nr.3?
I for my part rank someone like Denis Inkin above the Aussie who was knocked out by Sven Ottke and had a close fight with that average journeyman Siaca who was totally schooled by 40 year old Branco.
I am not even sure whether Mundine would be able to go the full route against Inkin.
As for Bute vs Mundine he for sure has a decent chance to beat that Aussie.I would bet my money on him in a fight against Mundine.
Maxime
08-24-2007, 12:38 AM
Of course now that Mundine might never fight again.
Bute could be considered like the no.3 at 168lbs. But I like to base ranking on accomplishment and not "potential". Therefor I dont even rank Bute in the top5 right now. Even tho he is my favorite fighter. :)
KO Boxing
08-24-2007, 12:45 AM
Champ: VACANT (winner of Calzaghe-Kessler goes here)
1. Joe Calzaghe
2. Mikkel Kessler
3. Anthony Mundine
4. Lucien Bute
5. Jeff Lacy
6. Alexjandro Berrio
7. Dennis Inkin
8. Carl Froch
9. Librado Andrade
10. Vitaly Tsypko/Jean Pascal/Jurgen Brahmer (one of em deserves to crack the top ten).
Good division when you still have guys like Bika, Allan Green and Miranda (now that he's moving up) outside the top ten.
KO Boxing
08-24-2007, 12:47 AM
"the top 3 guys"? Mundine?
Joe is the undisputed nr.1 at present,and there is no doubt that Kessler is the undisputed nr.2 at supermiddle,but Mundine at nr.3?
I for my part rank someone like Denis Inkin above the Aussie who was knocked out by Sven Ottke and had a close fight with that average journeyman Siaca who was totally schooled by 40 year old Branco.
I am not even sure whether Mundine would be able to go the full route against Inkin.
As for Bute vs Mundine he for sure has a decent chance to beat that Aussie.I would bet my money on him in a fight against Mundine.
:patsch
Bute has a great chance at beating Mundine... But Mundine is clearly no. 3 at the moment. And KO's Inkin :deal
KO Boxing
08-24-2007, 12:50 AM
Dont forget Manfredo ! :nono
Put him in with Sakio Bika and Allan Green clearly OUTSIDE the top ten. You don't think otherwise, do you? :huh
Maxime
08-24-2007, 01:19 AM
Manfredo is not top10 at 168lbs. Neither is Allan Green.
You have to deserve your rankings. What has Manfredo and Green done to be top10? The answer is nothing. Even tho he is much less skilled. A guy like Alejandro Berrio is MUCH more deserving of a top10 ranking then these two.
KO Boxing
08-24-2007, 01:36 AM
Manfredo is not top10 at 168lbs. Neither is Allan Green.
You have to deserve your rankings. What has Manfredo and Green done to be top10? The answer is nothing. Even tho he is much less skilled. A guy like Alejandro Berrio is MUCH more deserving of a top10 ranking then these two.
I agree...
Manfredo and Green would fill out the 10-20 spots for me.
Being that this is a Bute thread, who fights out of Canada, can anyone please tell me anything that needs to be known about Pascal? Have never seen him fight, although I have heard a few good things. Has he done enough to be considered 10? Or would a guy like Tsypko or Brahmaer be rated above him? Both of them I've seen, and while good, not great.
KO Boxing
08-24-2007, 01:41 AM
u have no idea about mundine he has improved ten times since those fights time will tell he will beat the top 2 guys
Whether or not he beats Kessler or Calzaghe, Odo clearly has no idea about Mundine.
He's a damn fighter. And a great one to watch, too. And seemingly improving all the time. I recommend to anyone to watch his recent fight against Soliman, if you already haven't, who most should know from his fight against Wright, his upcoming Contendor apperance, and his few other US fights... He got beatdown :yep
pecks
08-24-2007, 01:48 AM
I agree with this thread. I haven't seen the Bika fight but I've seen about 5 other Bika fights, and think that he would get badly exposed against JC, of Kessler, and even Mundine.
Bute's combinations are not quick enough, nor powerful enough to warrant any sort of fear to the top 3. He is still a good fighter though and should pick up a WT belt.
Bute should be a good stepping stone for someone to take on either JC, or Kessler.
"the top 3 guys"? Mundine?
Joe is the undisputed nr.1 at present,and there is no doubt that Kessler is the undisputed nr.2 at supermiddle,but Mundine at nr.3?
I for my part rank someone like Denis Inkin above the Aussie who was knocked out by Sven Ottke and had a close fight with that average journeyman Siaca who was totally schooled by 40 year old Branco.
I am not even sure whether Mundine would be able to go the full route against Inkin.
As for Bute vs Mundine he for sure has a decent chance to beat that Aussie.I would bet my money on him in a fight against Mundine.
I think i will go with Ring magazine opinion rather then your uneducated Bias one. You haven't seen Mundine in some time have you?
Who bumped this thead anyway... I made this AGES AGO.
PrideOfWales
05-23-2008, 04:18 PM
Who bumped this thead anyway... I made this AGES AGO.
This thread will not die!
Chicago Nights
05-23-2008, 04:49 PM
Hes gonna kick the hell out some people, but soon.
pasky2000
05-23-2008, 05:09 PM
Why are so many of you fond of Mundine ???
He's good but he sure ain't better than Bute..Sorry but no way !!
We can make an easy case for Kessler and Calzaghe being superior overall but not Mundine !!!
Ziggy Montana
05-23-2008, 05:12 PM
Newsflash: Bute came to an agreement with local promoter INTERBOX, details to follow.
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