Do Americans Fear that in 6 weeks Britain COULD have p4p 1 and 2?

[db2431]

As much as people preach that they arnt homers to their country, most blatently are, being a patriot is natural, you can tell most Americans think lower of EU fighters from reading the forums.Now if Joe and Ricky both win, the top 2 p4p fighters are going to be pasty white Brits who have been ignored by the American Media for too long.What will the reaction be? Denial?Acceptance?

[Thread Stealer]

Ricky really hasn't been ignored by the American media for too long. He's been given plenty of attention by the American boxing publications.

[mike464]

Why would they care? Boxing is an individual sport. Plus who says Calzaghe gets to be P4P number 2 just for beating Kessler?

[acb]

It'll be denial. Cold, hard but so very true denial. Shame really.

Not here.

I dont really dont care about nationality, and Im being sincere.

[radianttwilight]

Well, Ricky is a pasty White Englishman for sure but Calzaghe is of Italian ancestry living in Wales and doesn't have a pasty complexion.

Also, Americans don't give a shit about Britain. It's the insecure English who are obsessed with American power and influence in the world and who need these English "hopes" to bolster their national ego.

Most Americans have no clue who Ricky Hatton, Floyd Mayweather, Joe Calzaghe and Mikeal Kessler are. I can't even spell the guy's name. And those who have heard of Mayweather mostly can't stand him and wouldn't mind seeing him get beaten. By a Brit or whatever.

Few American boxing fans didn't enjoy watching Calzaghe beat up that muscle bound dope Lacey. American boxing fans would respect Euro fighters more if they would fight the better fighters instead of hiding out in Europe working for corrupt promoters who only drag over weak American fighters to make the Euros look good.

You have to admit for a 35 year old man who claims to be champ Calzaghe's list of opponents is unbelievably pathetic.

+1

[kg0208]

NO

[ml]

In addition, most American boxing fans (atleast those I know) are rooting for Hatton to win. Do the British really like to polarize things?

[Punisher33]

Well, Ricky is a pasty White Englishman for sure but Calzaghe is of Italian ancestry living in Wales and doesn't have a pasty complexion.

Also, Americans don't give a shit about Britain. It's the insecure English who are obsessed with American power and influence in the world and who need these English "hopes" to bolster their national ego.

Most Americans have no clue who Ricky Hatton, Floyd Mayweather, Joe Calzaghe and Mikeal Kessler are. I can't even spell the guy's name. And those who have heard of Mayweather mostly can't stand him and wouldn't mind seeing him get beaten. By a Brit or whatever.

Few American boxing fans didn't enjoy watching Calzaghe beat up that muscle bound dope Lacey. American boxing fans would respect Euro fighters more if they would fight the better fighters instead of hiding out in Europe working for corrupt promoters who only drag over weak American fighters to make the Euros look good.

You have to admit for a 35 year old man who claims to be champ Calzaghe's list of opponents is unbelievably pathetic. Great post, you pretty said everything I wanted to say.:good

[Shane_Erich]

Myself, and all the boxing fans I know could care less about Nationality. since joining this board I couldn't beleive the ammount of bickering between European fans and American fans. From an outside perspective of a person who could care less, its the European fans that seem to make a big deal about it.

[joe33]

A s a brit it will be nice,but ill not crow about it,most yanks are pretty cool in the past when they dominated a lot of boxing bar a few twats,as a individual sport as well,i doubt it really matters as much,he would not for example get a huge parade in london,near manchester maybe,but most people here will just shrug there shoulders roll there eyes and get back to watching dancing with the stars or what ever other shit is huge here at the moment.

[mike464]

Also, Americans don't give a shit about Britain. It's the insecure English who are obsessed with American power and influence in the world and who need these English "hopes" to bolster their national ego.I can see why I had trouble making you accept that Russia won the space race. It's cool to be patriotic, I am too. It's not cool to undermime and insult the achievements of other countries.

[acb]

From an outside perspective of a person who could care less, its the European fans that seem to make a big deal about it.
I agree.

You dont see threads asking if the Brits would care if, two weeks from now, they had no fighters on the P4P list or if their fighters would be low on that list.

[eze]

Dont care if every fighter in the top 10 p4p was euro..

[kg0208]

Dont care if every fighter in the top 10 p4p was euro..

Or aliens, as long as they can fight.

[mike464]

I'm in agreement with the above. I have fighters I like from all over the world, only one of whom is from my native England. I'm not a Calzaghe or Hatton fan, for some reason they seem to wind me up a bit. I like Junior Witter but I don't get any ideas about him being P4P number 1 like the Calzaghe fans do with their man.

[eze]

Or aliens, as long as they can fight.

Exactly.

[AllyT]

Calzaghe is not fighting an american so I see no reason to see why his success should have any relevence to your average US boxing fan. Even Hatton Mayweather is not national. Many in the UK support Mayweather and many do not support Hatton.

Boxing is usually about the man not the nation, only on occasion when perhaps the two boxers somehow epitomise their respective nations at a time when the nations need a hero it can be about countries but not in this case.

I am not Welsh or English but I like the boxers and have watched them for many years. I would never support an English team because in that case it is more like national rivalry, but I have supported many English boxers over the years.

[alex-boxer42]

I think the threadstarter is just an insecure english.:yep

[Bigcat]

If Ricky and Joseph could pull it off it would be great for our historic standings amongst the elite boxers of the past.. A great sporting triumph for our nation.....

[tays001]

no i welcome the fact im a fan of both fighters

[unclepaulie]

I dont think it makes much difference. I will admit that if there is some sort of hype with England vs. America in a boxing match, more often than not I will probably root for the American. But its not like Mayweather is Mr. All-American putting a nation on his shoulders. A lot of Americans hate Floyd. This isn't Louis vs. Schmeling. Also, I noticed you specifically called out Americans. Why not Kessler fans? Why America specifically? Is this some sort of inferiority complex or something? The same thing happened when Lacy was about to fight Calzaghe, and brit fans were hyping up Lacy more than American ones. Saying Lacy was "The Great American Hope" as if Calzaghe was American enemy number one. Most boxing fans, let alone the general public, knew nothing of Lacy and were hardly hyping him like the Brits were. Calm down with this, it's the most pointless topic in all the forums. If Hatton wins, than he will get all the credit in the world from me and at least part of me will be happy. If Calzaghe wins, good for him, maybe he will shed some of the well deserved criticism he has recieved.

[lillarry]

Do most Americans even know who is #1 and 2 p4p?

[eze]

Do most Americans even know who is #1 and 2 p4p?


PBF #1

Pac #2

[sues2nd]

How could this happen?

I agree that they move up if both win (Joe does not go to number one if Floyd wins again...especially since a win vs Hatton is bigger than one vs Kessler), it helps. Hatton would leapfrog quite a few. But why would they be above Pac?

[brooklyn1550]

Even if Calzaghe and Hatton beat Kessler and Mayweather respectively, the pound for pound list would still have a non-European fighter at the top...

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Ricky Hatton

[cardstars]

As much as people preach that they arnt homers to their country, most blatently are, being a patriot is natural, you can tell most Americans think lower of EU fighters from reading the forums.Now if Joe and Ricky both win, the top 2 p4p fighters are going to be pasty white Brits who have been ignored by the American Media for too long.What will the reaction be? Denial?Acceptance?

I HONESTLY could care less about nationality. I think it is hard to know about some of the overseas fighters because they just don't get the coverage here. It's not a hate thing for most people on here imo. For the record I have both of the Brits losing though....and once again no it's not because of a hate thing. You can shuv it in my face if im wrong and make me eat crow, but I don't pick fights based on nationality. It's that plain and simple. In fact from what I have seen on these boards there is more hate coming from the other end......im going to get a lot of shit for that one :yep

[chimba]

If Joe wins ..then he can finally justify the high rating that ESB gives him p4p#5..

and thats generous

[MacManJr.]

As much as people preach that they arnt homers to their country, most blatently are, being a patriot is natural, you can tell most Americans think lower of EU fighters from reading the forums.Now if Joe and Ricky both win, the top 2 p4p fighters are going to be pasty white Brits who have been ignored by the American Media for too long.What will the reaction be? Denial?Acceptance?I would give Hatton his props but he won't win. I already give Joe his props after Lacy massacre.

[CzarKyle]

As much as people preach that they arnt homers to their country, most blatently are, being a patriot is natural, you can tell most Americans think lower of EU fighters from reading the forums.Now if Joe and Ricky both win, the top 2 p4p fighters are going to be pasty white Brits who have been ignored by the American Media for too long.What will the reaction be? Denial?Acceptance?

This is stupid. It's boxing. I don't give a shit who's on top, as long as it's a good fighter. Posts like this are only made to get a reaction. But then again there are the nationalistic idiots that will respond poorly. I want Hatton to win, I just have that feeling that Mayweather will win (I really want Hatton to win though, he's much more fun to watch).

[China_hand_Joe]

Hatton shouldn't win, really shouldn't. Calzaghe could and even if he wins every second of every round in a magical manner, people will keep Mayweather at number one, not matter how lacklustre his win over Hatton.

[sues2nd]

Hatton shouldn't win, really shouldn't. Calzaghe could and even if he wins every second of every round in a magical manner, people will keep Mayweather at number one, not matter how lacklustre his win over Hatton.

So what you are saying is.

If Floyd beats a fighter that is ranked higher than Kessler in EVERY p4p list I have ever seen....and Calzaghe beats a fighter that is ranked lower in EVERY list I have seen than Hatton...people will consider the win vs the higher ranked fighter better.....?

:admin

Blaspheme.

Even looking at it by my own list (and we KNOW I love Calzaghe).

#1 p4p beats #7 p4p > #3 p4p beats #16 p4p.

God I half cant wait until this fight is over...you become more delusional by the passing minute. Only problem is, when he wins (which he will), you will somehow take it as proof of his ability to walk on water.

:-(

[PH|LLA]

even if Hatton beats Mayweather i will not rank him above Pacman. If Calzaghe KO's Kessler then I will have him number 1

[China_hand_Joe]

So what you are saying is.

If Floyd beats a fighter that is ranked higher than Kessler in EVERY p4p list I have ever seen....and Calzaghe beats a fighter that is ranked lower in EVERY list I have seen than Hatton...people will consider the win vs the higher ranked fighter better.....?

:admin

Blaspheme.

Even looking at it by my own list (and we KNOW I love Calzaghe).

#1 p4p beats #7 p4p > #3 p4p beats #16 p4p.

God I half cant wait until this fight is over...you become more delusional by the passing minute. Only problem is, when he wins (which he will), you will somehow take it as proof of his ability to walk on water.

:-(

The manner of the victory does matter.

[Brickhaus]

Not worried at all. First off, I don't care. Second off, even if they both win, no way do they both pass Pacquiao.

[Sputnik44]

Wlad beats them both on the same night...

[Fedor Em]

The manner of the victory does matter.

It matters but the quality of fighter matters as well, and Floyd has beaten FAR superior fighters.

[sues2nd]

The manner of the victory does matter.

Of course it does...but not as much when the perspective ranks of the two proposed losers is so far off.

I will show the analogy in another way.

If Ohio State (the #3 College Football team in the US) beats Kansas (#8 ) by 1 point on a last second FG...but LSU (#3) beats Auburn (#16) by 30 points in a rout...there is no logical way you could make a case for them in the number one slot.

Maybe a case for #2 (depending on what number 2 did as well), but with #1 still beating a better team than #3 did, its just not logical to have them fall in the rankings.

[Alcaldemb]

As much as people preach that they arnt homers to their country, most blatently are, being a patriot is natural, you can tell most Americans think lower of EU fighters from reading the forums.Now if Joe and Ricky both win, the top 2 p4p fighters are going to be pasty white Brits who have been ignored by the American Media for too long.What will the reaction be? Denial?Acceptance?

Nope. Don't care where the fighters comes from so long as they are good.

[Toopretty]

Fuckkkkkkkkkkkkk no. Wont happen. Cant happen.

[Thom]

Do most Americans even know who is #1 and 2 p4p?
If you're talking about the general public, fuck no. Most people don't follow boxing. I can guarantee that the Americans who do know Mayweather would probably find Hatton to be a much more endearing personality. This whining about nationalistic bias on the part of Americans is nauseating. Most people just don't care.


Speaking as an American boxing fan, I don't give a shit where a fighter was born (or currently lives) or what color his skin is. I want to see the best fight each other.

[Toopretty]

If you're talking about the general public, fuck no. Most people don't follow boxing. I can guarantee that the Americans who do know Mayweather would probably find Hatton to be a much more endearing personality. This whining about nationalistic bias on the part of Americans is nauseating. Most people just don't care.


Speaking as an American boxing fan, I don't give a shit where a fighter was born (or currently lives) or what color his skin is. I want to see the best fight each other.

STFU, we need to deport your bitch ass. This is country vs. country. Fuck your dumb ass judgmental "most endearing personality" bullshit. I think Hatton is a cornball and so would most I know. With his corny ass one liners. Floyd is a cornball too, at least he says some funny shit every now and again.

[China_hand_Joe]

Of course it does...but not as much when the perspective ranks of the two proposed losers is so far off.

I will show the analogy in another way.

If Ohio State (the #3 College Football team in the US) beats Kansas (#8 ) by 1 point on a last second FG...but LSU (#3) beats Auburn (#16) by 30 points in a rout...there is no logical way you could make a case for them in the number one slot.

Maybe a case for #2 (depending on what number 2 did as well), but with #1 still beating a better team than #3 did, its just not logical to have them fall in the rankings.

Kessler is more or less as good as Hatton.

[Mrboogie23]

As much as people preach that they arnt homers to their country, most blatently are, being a patriot is natural, you can tell most Americans think lower of EU fighters from reading the forums.Now if Joe and Ricky both win, the top 2 p4p fighters are going to be pasty white Brits who have been ignored by the American Media for too long.What will the reaction be? Denial?Acceptance?


No, I'm not in fear, and frankly, I dont give a shit.

[Thom]

STFU, we need to deport your bitch ass. This is country vs. country. Fuck your dumb ass judgmental "most endearing personality" bullshit. I think Hatton is a cornball and so would most I know. With his corny ass one liners. Floyd is a cornball too, at least he says some funny shit every now and again.
Bro, you need to calm the fuck down. While I'm not keen on Floyd's personality, I do support him wholeheartedly as a fighter and think that he gets way too much flack from boxing fans. Apparently, you didn't read my post very carefully before attacking me, so I'll try to explain myself. I wrote that most Americans who are familiar with Mayweather would probably find Hatton to be "a more endearing personality." That was in response the threadstarter's assertion that Hatton and Calzaghe's status as "pasty white Brits" (his words, not mine) would be viewed as a negative by the American public at large. I think we both know that that's a load of BS, and that there are few things that infuriate many Americans more than a cocky black man who has no compunction about telling the world how great he thinks he is. To sum up, I firmly believe that most Americans, if they followed the sport, would be more inclined to support Hatton rather than Mayweather based on personality instead of accomplishment. That's not an attack on Mayweather, Hatton, American boxing fans, or the general public. It's just my opinion as a person who's lived in the States for the majority of his life.

Understand where I'm coming from now?

[roly]

if hatton beats the p4p #1 after moving up a weight to do it, whilst fighting away from home, and having already beaten a top 3 p4p fighter in koysta in the past, and in his last fight ko'ing a (although slightly over the hill) fighter who had never been ko'd before. how can he not become #1?

anyone who would not put him at atleast #2 doesn't like hatton and is biased.

[charlievint]

As much as people preach that they arnt homers to their country, most blatently are, being a patriot is natural, you can tell most Americans think lower of EU fighters from reading the forums.Now if Joe and Ricky both win, the top 2 p4p fighters are going to be pasty white Brits who have been ignored by the American Media for too long.What will the reaction be? Denial?Acceptance?

LOL....Beating Floyd would definitly make Hatton a P4P #1 or 2 on the list but Joe beating kessler won't do shit for his status. He's suppose to beat Kessler. kessler is a good fighter but he hasn't faced anyone on joes level until now and Kessler isn't even on the p4p list. If hatton wins I will give him all the credit...if Joe wins...I called it from jump.

[MrStayman]

No. Hatton is a division I don't care about (light welterweight) and Calzaghe will retire before messiah Pavlik fights him. And if Hatton stays at 147... it's his funeral.

[nysef816]

Well, Ricky is a pasty White Englishman for sure but Calzaghe is of Italian ancestry living in Wales and doesn't have a pasty complexion.

Also, Americans don't give a shit about Britain. It's the insecure English who are obsessed with American power and influence in the world and who need these English "hopes" to bolster their national ego.

Most Americans have no clue who Ricky Hatton, Floyd Mayweather, Joe Calzaghe and Mikeal Kessler are. I can't even spell the guy's name. And those who have heard of Mayweather mostly can't stand him and wouldn't mind seeing him get beaten. By a Brit or whatever.

Few American boxing fans didn't enjoy watching Calzaghe beat up that muscle bound dope Lacey. American boxing fans would respect Euro fighters more if they would fight the better fighters instead of hiding out in Europe working for corrupt promoters who only drag over weak American fighters to make the Euros look good.

You have to admit for a 35 year old man who claims to be champ Calzaghe's list of opponents is unbelievably pathetic.

BURNED

[Manjanek]

Why would they care? Boxing is an individual sport. Plus who says Calzaghe gets to be P4P number 2 just for beating Kessler?

Yeah- because unless Pacman unveils a secret Brittish heritage, I don't think the 1 + 2 spots are going to be Uks