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brooklyn1550
11-01-2007, 09:20 PM
I am speechless - even after watching these fights a number of times since the occured. There will never be another Pernell Whitaker.
dave82
11-01-2007, 09:26 PM
I remember watching De la hoya vs Whitaker...De La Hoya tried to steal the rounds with late flurries and hit nothing but air. The man was gifted.
brooklyn1550
11-01-2007, 09:29 PM
and of course Lampley.
Yeah, Lampley always gets excited with flurries at the end of rounds - even when they are clearly ineffective.
Noticed in the last pic where DLH raises his hands in false triumph after an innefective fury? That was funny gesture in trying to convince the judges. :yep Unfortunately they were fooled.:nut
He was a defensive genius.
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brooklyn1550
11-01-2007, 09:38 PM
Mayweather is phenominal as well - one of elite defensive fighters in fistic history. But slightly behind Sweet Pea.
dave82
11-01-2007, 09:45 PM
Unfortunately, those totally missed flurries fooled the fools, a.k.a judges, and of course Lampley.
The oscarsexuals were in full force that night. Pathetic scoring. 116-110 from memory. It was a close fight but that was just appalling.
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That defense was his down fall in his biggest fights. The judges were impressed with his defense but no so much his offense.
brooklyn1550
11-01-2007, 09:57 PM
Whitaker had the power to get Chavez, Ramirez, Nelson, and Vasquez's respect. His punch output was amazing at lightweight and it wasn't half bad at welterweight. His jab is perhaps the best I've ever seen and he could put combinations together as well as almost anybody.
Whitaker was also phenominally accurate. Even off of the backfoot, he was very effective.
To say Whitaker's offense hurt him is downright stupid.
They weren't watching the fights then, and I'm not sure you did either. He had a very good offense. Those are just his best defensive moments, the moments that put you in awe. That doesn't mean it's how he fought the whole fight.
He had one of the highest workrates ever at LW, and had a constantly pumping deathly accurate southpaw jab. He had a very good offense, and was even able to stalk and be the aggressor very effectively in some fights. Such as his fight at 140 with big puncher Pineda, where he stood toe to toe with him and completely outclassed him.
The miscomprehension that Whitaker didn't have a good offense is one of the most annoying to me.
I like Whitaker alot, and I agree he had great offense more than he is given credut for, he like to stay in the pocket and break a boxer down, Whitaker was awesome, but sometimes he had more defense than offense which cost him the De La Hoya fight for example.
If there was one fight where he didn't seem as focused in making the fight so much as making a fool out of the opponent, it was the DLH fight. But the funny thing is, look at the numbers, he out-threw, outlanded, and landed at a higher percentage than DLH. And he dropped him.
He made a fool of himself in the process. Here you have Whitaker who many felt was shafted in some big fights. ODLH boxing's super star young at 23 years of age moves up to fight him in the biggest fight of Whitaker's life, he he has the oppurtunity to Prove and Show what a master he was to the mainstream media yet chooses to fight defensively, act like a clown, I mean over doing it, and does not resort to what effective for him which was fighting in the pocket! He blew it!
As for punchstats, well Whitaker landed weak jabs while moving defensively, while DLH landed power shots!
As for the KD, it was more of their feet getting tangled with each other more than a KD.:good
Robbi
11-01-2007, 10:22 PM
If there was one fight where he didn't seem as focused in making the fight so much as making a fool out of the opponent, it was the DLH fight. But the funny thing is, look at the numbers, he out-threw, outlanded, and landed at a higher percentage than DLH. And he dropped him.
It was a slip/punch knockdown. Some referees would have scored it a slip, just depends on the official. Hagler was knocked down against Roldan with a grazing punch to the top of the head as he was slipping. The referee scored it a knockdown, yet later admitted he was wrong when viewing the replay days later.
And regarding punch stats. They don't score fights. The judges don't use punch stats, and neither do you or myself. And the accuracy of punch stats must come into question.
Robbi
11-01-2007, 10:28 PM
If there was one fight where he didn't seem as focused in making the fight so much as making a fool out of the opponent, it was the DLH fight. But the funny thing is, look at the numbers, he out-threw, outlanded, and landed at a higher percentage than DLH. And he dropped him.
Another thing. The landing at higher percentage means very little. If one fighter throws 20 punches and lands 15 punches he scores a higher percentage than his opponent who throws 50 punches yet only lands 25. It doesn't take a scientist to figure out who wins the round. The later threw more and landed more, yet has a lower percentage.
Im giving the above as an example, not strictly for the De La Hoya-Whitaker punch stats.
Robbi
11-01-2007, 10:34 PM
Agreed with the last statement, that applies with any fight.
The first time I saw the fight a while back I gave it to Pea by two points. Based on Oscar not being as effective as he looked. Pea played his game, scored his shots, and made Oscar miss. Oscar missed for the most part, but was the aggressor. How you saw the fight depends on whether you saw Oscar's aggression as effective or not, and for the most part(though he definitely landed plenty) he wasn't. I feel Sweet Pea was easily the ring general in that fight, and made Oscar's late flurries to steal rounds useless, as he made him miss with almost every punch.
It was a close fight, but one I had Pea narrowly winning, Oscar winning some of Pea's less active rounds.
A myth regarding De La Hoya being the aggressor. Well he was aggressive to an extent, but he certainly never bombed forward throughout the fight. De La Hoya was extremely cautious himself, hence the reason he fired Rivero and hired Steward.
This fight was no robbery in my eyes, far from it. Many close rounds, and many missed punches from either fighter. The rounds were very difficult to score.
Robbi
11-01-2007, 10:45 PM
Whitaker landed 232 of 582 punchess
De La Hoya landed 191 of 557.
Whitaker outjabbed De La Hoya, 160-45.
De La Hoya landed 146 of 363 to Whitaker's 72 of 192.
gambleer
11-01-2007, 10:51 PM
I had 7-5 for DLH. I saw Whitaker landing jabs and DLH landing power shots.
Robbi
11-01-2007, 10:52 PM
De La Hoya never landed 146 power shots. Clean punches to the face and the side of the head, and clean body shots?. Nope. And Whitaker landed 146 jabs, no way. Not clean jabs anyway.
Those stats simply give us a picture of how the fight went in terms of each fighter going about their business. De La Hoya threw more power punches, and probably did land more. Roles revered with Whitaker landing with jabs over De La Hoya. But the numbers must be questioned.
sues2nd
11-01-2007, 11:35 PM
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If I could...I would man kiss you right now....:lol:
Robbi
11-01-2007, 11:41 PM
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Who's this fighting?. Willie Pep's grandad? lol.
etong_08
11-01-2007, 11:44 PM
Fuckin sweeeeet! :thumbsup
bulakenyo
03-19-2008, 02:10 PM
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Addie
03-19-2008, 02:15 PM
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Not in the same league defensively as Whitaker.
Mistadobalina
03-20-2008, 02:11 AM
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what fight was this again?
Sweet Pea
03-20-2008, 02:20 AM
what fight was this again?Victoriano Sosa.
Zhaakal
03-20-2008, 05:10 AM
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Rise Above
03-20-2008, 05:30 AM
Whitaker was a defensive master.
bachatu
03-20-2008, 05:39 AM
Mayweather is good in his own right, but doesn't look as natural as Whitaker did. Whitaker made it look easy and did it so fluidly. Mayweather looks a bit more stiff, but that has to do with his style.
Zhaakal
03-20-2008, 08:20 AM
Mayweater is more into blocking as Whitaker was more into evadeing
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