apart from oscar who is the biggest draw in boxing??

[Relentless]

i'd say shane mosley or ricky hatton?:huh

[Nawfal]

does trinidad count?

[Bazooka]

Right now, look at it this way Pacquiao is a huge draw, but Hatton just had 11 thousand fans fly over to Vegas to see him fight, Oscar should make this fight happen this will do great for his bank account.
and do damage to Floyds I think its funny how Oscar is fucking with Floyds money right now pretty good shit being that Floyd needs someone who fills the seats in order for him to make money, Oscar is teaching him a lesson in boxing the business end of it.

[Relentless]

active fighters

[Relentless]

i think cotto will be a big attraction if he keeps winning the way he is.

[heerko koois]

Klitscko maybe ?

[SweetScienceFan]

Shane Mosley has never been a draw. Great fighter, but simply can't sell tickets very well. Outside of Oscar De La Hoya, it has to be someone like Hatton or Klitschko who can fill arena's and bring in huge ratings.

[digiram]

Floyd Mayweather Jr.

He just isn't popular on ESB.

[heerko koois]

Mike Tyson, he held the record for PPV buys until De La Hoya-Mayweather.

He doesn,t box anymore....did no one tell you ? :smoke

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

Hopkins.

Or Kilitschko's in Germany.

[Nawfal]

i wouldnt be suprised if it was hatton of calzaghe

[heerko koois]

At the moment Vicious Boxer would sell out atzec stadium easily........

[pipe wrenched]

Floyd Mayweather Jr.

He just isn't popular on ESB.

Took the words right out of my mouth.:rasta

[Marnoff]

Oscar is teaching him a lesson in boxing the business end of it.

Well, that's apparently the only place he is able to, since Oscar didn't land a single meaningful shot in their entire fight, whereas Floyd rocked Oscar and sent him backwards - to which Oscar admitted being hurt. Oh well, Oscar is a good businessman though.

[Fab2333]

felix trinidad, mike tyson

trinidad comin out of retirement to fight Roy Jones, that fight is going to be sold out. And if Mike ever decided to box again. that shit would sell out as well.

[Marnoff]

He doesn,t box anymore....did no one tell you ? :smoke

No, he just spars and draws four thousand fans.

I'm surprised more people aren't saying Calzaghe, he had like 38000 fans for his last fight.

[Fab2333]

No, he just spars and draws four thousand fans.

I'm surprised more people aren't saying Calzaghe, he had like 38000 fans for his last fight.

Calzaghe :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

yeah he can draw that in the UK
in the US no sir

[Relentless]

Well, that's apparently the only place he is able to, since Oscar didn't land a single meaningful shot in their entire fight, whereas Floyd rocked Oscar and sent him backwards - to which Oscar admitted being hurt. Oh well, Oscar is a good businessman though.

this thread isn't about oscar vs floyd so stop trying to convince everyone with your stupid opinion fool!

get the fudge outta my thread!!

[Marnoff]

Calzaghe :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

yeah he can draw that in the UK
in the US no sir

What is your point? Thirty-eight thousand people is a lot of people to come out to see a fight. Most people in general will sell better in their hometown than in a foreign area.... Should be simple to understand.

[the_what]

Depends. Mosley would sell out fighting in California. Too bad he doesnt fight here more often. Cotto in New York and Puerto Rico. etc. etc.

[Marnoff]

this thread isn't about oscar vs floyd so stop trying to convince everyone with your stupid opinion fool!

get the fudge outta my thread!!

I was replying to a post? Talk to him.

Edit: Also, what opinion? It's a fact that Oscar landed nothing meaningful, and a fact that Floyd hurt Oscar at least once.

[heerko koois]

:good What is your point? Thirty-eight thousand people is a lot of people to come out to see a fight. Most people in general will sell better in their hometown than in a foreign area.... Should be simple to understand.

[Heavyrighthand]

Hatton, Wlad, Vitali, Calzaghe (maybe), Cotto, Hopkins, Mayweather.

This list is the next in line, even though none are close to Oscar's marketability and drawing power.

[istmeno]

in no particular order; wlad, vitali, floyd, pac, calzaghe, hatton, kessler, valuev, cotto. tell me if im missing anybody.


and yes even though floyd lacks fans, he makes up for it in the fact that he plays a great villain. on his own he won't sellout fighting a scrub like the rest of the gentleman on my list but put him in with the right opponent and we have a superfight.

which proves that he is not a draw. a draw brings fans on his own. if you need a good dance partner in order to pull numbers, you clearly are not THE attraction.

[Cookie]

Outside of DLH it has been Taylor, Mayweather, and Hopkins who have notched up some of the biggest purses in the past couple of years.

[Jaaames]

Cory Spinks fights had bigger crowds than Floyd....

I'd say Cotto, Kessler, Hatton, Pacquaio, Calzaghe..Wlad

[Fab2333]

What is your point? Thirty-eight thousand people is a lot of people to come out to see a fight. Most people in general will sell better in their hometown than in a foreign area.... Should be simple to understand.

Your definition of being a bg draw is selling out arenas in your hometown?
Thats not my definition.
Oscar Delahoya can go in any arena in the world and probably sell it out. Thtas the definition of a big draw to me. To Draw a big crownd n e where, not just in your hometown as Calzaghe can do. Tyson can do the same thing. As much as he is shot, people will come to see him fight. Anywhere in the world. Calzaghe isnt a big draw. He comes to the US and fights another non elite fighter, that fight isnt drawing anyone. believe that

[heerko koois]

:? Your definition of being a bg draw is selling out arenas in your hometown?
Thats not my definition.
Oscar Delahoya can go in any arena in the world and probably sell it out. Thtas the definition of a big draw to me. To Draw a big crownd n e where, not just in your hometown as Calzaghe can do. Tyson can do the same thing. As much as he is shot, people will come to see him fight. Anywhere in the world. Calzaghe isnt a big draw. He comes to the US and fights another non elite fighter, that fight isnt drawing anyone. believe that

[Stinky gloves]

Wlad,
Mormerck,
Hokpins,
Taylor,
Wright,
Mayweather,
Mosley,
Hatton,
PAC,
Barrera

[dangerousity]

Pacman did 200k against Solis. Solis b4 pacman noone has even heard of...I think thats indicative of how big he is. MAB-Juarez did less than that.

[Marnoff]

Your definition of being a bg draw is selling out arenas in your hometown?
Thats not my definition.
Oscar Delahoya can go in any arena in the world and probably sell it out. Thtas the definition of a big draw to me. To Draw a big crownd n e where, not just in your hometown as Calzaghe can do. Tyson can do the same thing. As much as he is shot, people will come to see him fight. Anywhere in the world. Calzaghe isnt a big draw. He comes to the US and fights another non elite fighter, that fight isnt drawing anyone. believe that

So basically you're speculating that Calzaghe's only crowd is at home. All I know is when people flock to see you, in the thirties of thousands, that's a draw.

[dangerousity]

Your definition of being a bg draw is selling out arenas in your hometown?
Thats not my definition.
Oscar Delahoya can go in any arena in the world and probably sell it out. Thtas the definition of a big draw to me. To Draw a big crownd n e where, not just in your hometown as Calzaghe can do. Tyson can do the same thing. As much as he is shot, people will come to see him fight. Anywhere in the world. Calzaghe isnt a big draw. He comes to the US and fights another non elite fighter, that fight isnt drawing anyone. believe that

DLH is pretty unknown outside US...only the likes of Mike Tyson, SRL's were really worldwide stars.

[Carlos Primera]

trinidad's supposed to be coming back, he's always been a draw through out his career. among guys 135 down i'd say pac has been drawing good money lately. cotto in a years time could become a draw like tito. wlad is apparently a god in germany and elsewhere in europe. and hatton with his rabid fan base draws in good money.

[BigReg]

It's Floyd. I know people hate him, but nobody besides Oscar nobody does better ppv numbers, and no one is more well known to casual fans. I'm seeing names like Cotto, Hatton, and Pac, but I just don't see it. Cotto's last fight filled up the Garden, but it was on the eve of the Puerto Rican day parade, and Top Rank wouldn't even release the ppv numbers(I bet the fight barely cracked the 200,00 buy mark). People talk about 10,000 Brits traveling to see Ricky fight in the Vegas. That just means no one here wanted to see him fight. Pac does good numbers, but he fights at 130. That means alot of casual fans aren't familiar with him. Face it, most boxers have only regional appeal, Oscar has mainstream appeal, and Floyd is in between.

[Fab2333]

if those are your standards then i will say NOBODY. i dont see anybody in boxing right know other than de la hoya who can go into most arena's and sell out. the fact that a guy like calzaghe can sellout 40 thousand is really good, home town or not. i doubt any american fighter can sell out 40 thousand in there home town fighting a scrub. taylor can bearly get a decent crowd in arkansas fighting GOOD opponents.
b/c Taylor isnt a big draw, I never said that. I agree there. Ok so lets make a hypothetical scenerio. If i decided to turn pro 2morrow and sold out Nassau Colisseum, which is like 10mins from my neighborhood, and continued to sell it out without fighting anywhere else. Does that classify me as a big draw?

[errsta]

Until I see someone else fill an arena overseas with their own fans, I'm saying HATTON.

[Boom_Boom]

i'd say shane mosley or ricky hatton?:huh

Mosely had a shitty attendance in his fight against Collazo

[PacDbest]

Pac can Draw anywhere, He needs to be known by the Casual Fans though to increase his PPV sale. But that is coming, Top Rank & Golden Boy peace accord is coming. Now they can make the fights that will make Pac a Global star. The only way Pac to reach near DLH status is if he moved up in weight & beat the likes of Hatton & PBF.

[Jaaames]

Pac can Draw anywhere, He needs to be known by the Casual Fans though to increase his PPV sale. But that is coming, Top Rank & Golden Boy peace accord is coming. Now they can make the fights that will make Pac a Global star. The only way Pac to reach near DLH status is if he moved up in weight & beat the likes of Hatton & PBF.

If he cleans the division of the top stars it'll work (Marquez, Guzman, Valero, Barrios, Juarez, Soto, Barerra again, maybe John) Mainly the first 2 and Soto.....

He has a crowd pleasing style... he just needs to be in there with the "Best"...

[sean]

biggest draws at the moment in terms of people actually watching and attending the fights combined are fighters like paq /klitchko`s /some obscure japanese fighters get both huge attendences and massive tv audiences all by dint of being on free to air tv.

when millions and millions watch your fights you are a bigger draw than any fighter who fights to an exclusive ppv tv audience.

american fighters are hampered by the fact that a lot of big fights take place in the middle of a desert, because casino`s pay the ground rent, whereas if american boxing was taken to the regions and the boxers a;lways boxed out of there hometown and on say NBC etc etc then of course that particular boxer if succesfull would be america`s biggest draw boxer.

not going to happen though as promotors and fighters look at money and not legacy .

for example ricky hatton last fight could have been aired on the bbc even on delay it would have been watched by 10 million or so if they showed it 7pm sunday night or so, yet hatton chose to sell his tv rights to an irish PPV sattelite station where the audience share would have been 500,000 or so (guess) .

if boxers and boxing wants to be a draw then a way must be found to air boxing on free to air tv.

germany does this and boxing gets 10 million plus i beleive audiences every 2 weeks or so.

[Bangis]

PAC... then theres Cotto hes on the brink of stardom

[djrock247]

Still the old standbys. Riding the wave of past fame are Oscar, Roy Jones, Trinidad & Gatti. Still big names in the eyes of Joe Public. Sadly, lump Tyson into that pile as well. PPV numbers would be higher for Tyson v. Klitschko than any other living heavyweight opponent right now. That's undisputable.

There are a handful of fighters right now that could bring boxing back to the masses if there were anyone in the sport with ANY sense of marketing knowledge. Pacquiao, Cotto, Kessler, even Wlad are all guys that could be larger than life if given a push.

[dangerousity]

It's Floyd. I know people hate him, but nobody besides Oscar nobody does better ppv numbers, and no one is more well known to casual fans. I'm seeing names like Cotto, Hatton, and Pac, but I just don't see it. Cotto's last fight filled up the Garden, but it was on the eve of the Puerto Rican day parade, and Top Rank wouldn't even release the ppv numbers(I bet the fight barely cracked the 200,00 buy mark). People talk about 10,000 Brits traveling to see Ricky fight in the Vegas. That just means no one here wanted to see him fight. Pac does good numbers, but he fights at 130. That means alot of casual fans aren't familiar with him. Face it, most boxers have only regional appeal, Oscar has mainstream appeal, and Floyd is in between.

IMO Floyd & Pac are head to head. Notable PPV buys

Pac vs Solis did 200k. That is a none title fight, with no promotion(well no big one anyways) and Solis a guy nobody has heard of.

PBF vs Baldomir did 325k. That is with bigger promotion and for the undisputed WW title.

PBF vs Gatti did 360k and PBF vs Judah did 350k.

Pac vs Morales 2 did 350k & 3rd fight did 355k ppv buys being the highest grossing LW bout in PPV history as well as the 3rd ever biggest livegate attendance in vegas.

Cotto vs Judah did 225k.

Barrera vs Juarez did something like 125k.

Considering Pac hasnt even touched on the american public yet as his english is not very good and is drawing these numbers AWAY from home, I think he is the bigger draw. I mean lets see who can draw bigger numbers in Asia...

[Antwuan Maxx]

Cory Spinks fights had bigger crowds than Floyd....

I'd say Cotto, Kessler, Hatton, Pacquaio, Calzaghe..Wlad

Yeah, believe it or not, Spinks is one of the top ticket sellers in Boxing. :lol: As ridiculous as that sounds, when he fights in St. Louis, he does big numbers. Spinks-Judah II had almost 21,000 in attendance. Spinks-Karmazin put up pretty good numbers too, considering Karmazin was an unknown and there was no strong co-feature.

[BigReg]

IMO Floyd & Pac are head to head. Notable PPV buys

Pac vs Solis did 200k. That is a none title fight, with no promotion(well no big one anyways) and Solis a guy nobody has heard of.

PBF vs Baldomir did 325k. That is with bigger promotion and for the undisputed WW title.

PBF vs Gatti did 360k and PBF vs Judah did 350k.

Pac vs Morales 2 did 350k & 3rd fight did 355k ppv buys being the highest grossing LW bout in PPV history as well as the 3rd ever biggest livegate attendance in vegas.

Cotto vs Judah did 225k.

Barrera vs Juarez did something like 125k.

Considering Pac hasnt even touched on the american public yet as his english is not very good and is drawing these numbers AWAY from home, I think he is the bigger draw. I mean lets see who can draw bigger numbers in Asia...

Pac is up there, but he's not quite there. I noticed you left off the Oscar and Floyd numbers. Pac may have been involved in the biggest lw bout in boxing, but Floyd was involved in the biggest fight period in boxing. Yeah Oscar had alot to do with it, but Morales had alot to do with the numbers for the Pac fight.

[dangerousity]

Pac is up there, but he's not quite there. I noticed you left off the Oscar and Floyd numbers. Pac may have been involved in the biggest lw bout in boxing, but Floyd was involved in the biggest fight period in boxing. Yeah Oscar had alot to do with it, but Morales had alot to do with the numbers for the Pac fight.

The thread clearly states biggest boxing draws "apart from Oscar". Therefore I left out any Oscar fight. Oscar-Mayorga did 900k buys too, Mayorga really isnt that big of a draw and that fight wasnt nearly as hyped or well promoted as PBF-DLH. I mean by that would you say Mayorga is the 2nd biggest draw in boxing right now?

Sure Morales had alot to do with it but Morales PPV status is no more bigger than Gatti or just about bigger than Judah's. All those fights did simmilar PPV numbers IN America and Floyd is the american here. So when a guy in LW division from another country who cant speak english is drawing as big numbers as you, I think that shows something. Like I said, Cotto-Judah did 225k buys, Pac-Solis did 200k...its clear Pac is a superstar in the boxing world.