Your Top Ten Heavyweights Organised In Order Of Chin

[McGrain]

Like this:

1) Ali (1)
2) Liston (3)
3) Jeffries (6)
4) Hollyfield (9)
5) Frazier (7)
6) Tyson (10)
7) Holmes (8)
8) Johnson (4)
9) Louis (2)
10) Lewis (5)

So I think Ali had the best chin out of the ATG top ten HW's, and Lewis the worst - incidently, I'm not one of these guys who says Lewis has a glass chin, just that he has the worst chin in this exalted group.

The number in brackets is where I have each fighter overall.

What do you think? And let's see yours...

[rekcutnevets]

1) Marciano (5)
2) Foreman (6)
3) Tyson (10)
4) Holyfield (9) As much will as chin.
5) Ali (1) More will to finish than chin alone
6) Holmes (4)
7) Frazier (8)
8) Louis (2)
9) Lewis (7)
10) Johnson (3) Hard to place, but stopped 5 times. Twice before peak, 3
times after peak (twice around the age of 50)

[rekcutnevets]

8's and () must be a code for smiles. I did not put those in on purpose.

[McGrain]

8's and () must be a code for smiles. I did not put those in on purpose.

Yeah, happens all the time.

[Dempsey1238]

How many times was Tyson knocked out?

How many times was Ali knocked out?

Marciano fought seven title fights and was floored in two of them, once by a journeyman with a below .500 KO ratio and another by a 40+ year old light heavyweight.

Ali was floored once in 25 title fights, by a left hooking monster named Smoking Joe Frazier.

Get some perspective, folks.

You forgot Chuck Wepner also drop Ali in a title fight. A Amazing body shot that had Ali gapping for air.

[rekcutnevets]

This was a thread about chins, not a will to win column. I think some fighters take punches better than other fighters, but still stop trying under circumstances that fighters with less chins will try to push through.

Tyson's kos were because of accumulation. His will to win, and focus is what kept him from doing better. Tyson ate some monster right hands from Lewis, and kept walking forward until the end. I have always thought his will to win was similar to Hector Camacho's. At times, they just start going through the motions when the fight heats up.

Ali was hurt a few times in his career. It was his will to win that carried him past the fog. Same can be said of Holyfield.

Michael Moorer is a fighter with a weak chin, and will to win when hurt. If you could hit hard enough to hurt Moorer, and not hard enough to finish him, you could have one hell of a fight on hands. Ask Bert Cooper about that.

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[C. M. Clay II]

1. Muhammad Ali [1]
2. George Foreman [3]
3. Larry Holmes [6]
4. Sonny Liston [2]
5. Mike Tyson [4]
6. Joe Frazier [7]
7. Jack Dempsey [9]
8. Joe Louis [5]
9. Lennox Lewis [10]
10. Jack Johnson [8]

:good

[Holmes' Jab]

Somthing like:

1. Muhammad Ali [2]
2. Sonny Liston [10]
3. Larry Holmes [3]
4. Rocky Marciano [4]
5. Evander Holyfield [8]
6. Mike Tyson [9]
7. Joe Frazier [6]
8. Jack Dempsey [7]
9. Joe Louis [1]
10. Lennox Lewis [5]

[janitor]

Order of pure chin-

1. Jim Jeffries (4)
2. Muhamad Ali (2)
3. Sam Langford (9)
4. Rocky Marciano (6)
5. Sonny Liston (7)
6. Jack Dempsey (5)
7. Joe Frazier (10)
8. Joe Louis (1)
9. Jack Johnson (3)
10. Lenox Lewis (8)

Now if I were taking recuperative ability into acount-

1. Jim Jeffries (4)
2. Muhamad Ali (2)
3. Jack Dempsey (5)
4. Sam Langford (9)
5. Rocky Marciano (6)
6. Joe Louis (1)
7. Sonny Liston (7)
8. Joe Frazier (10)
9. Jack Johnson (3)
10. Lenox Lewis (8)

[heerko koois]

1- Oliver McCall
2- Rocky Marciano
3- Muhammed Ali
4- George Foreman
5- Mike Tyson
6- Larry Holmes
7- Evander Holyfield
8- Sonny Liston [ was never ko,d by ali ....just lay down ]
9- Joe Frazier
10- Riddick Bowe

[Holmes' Jab]

1- Oliver McCall
2- Rocky Marciano
3- Muhammed Ali
4- George Foreman
5- Mike Tyson
6- Larry Holmes
7- Evander Holyfield
8- Sonny Liston [ was never ko,d by ali ....just lay down ]
9- Joe Frazier
10- Riddick Bowe

Aye, but do you rate McCall among you top 10 "fighters" of all-time, though ...?

[heerko koois]

Aye, but do you rate McCall among you top 10 "fighters" of all-time, though ...?

No......and i know that if he keeps fighting he will also get ko,d......
I rank McCall at number 25 in my ATG HW list.....:smoke

[ChrisPontius]

How many times was Tyson knocked out?

How many times was Ali knocked out?
Interesting, the standard is how often one is knocked out.


Marciano fought seven title fights and was floored in two of them, once by a journeyman with a below .500 KO ratio and another by a 40+ year old light heavyweight.
Oh wait, when it's Marciano, the standard is no longer how often one is knocked out.


Ali was floored once in 25 title fights, by a left hooking monster named Smoking Joe Frazier.
But then again, when comparing Marciano to Ali, the new standard is comparing how often one is floored in title fights.


Good work selecting the right stats to suit your arguments. With your fact-filtering skills you would've definitly made it Stalin's favorite if you were born in Russia and became a journalist.:good

Get some perspective, folks.[/quote]

[McGrain]

Good work selecting the right stats to suit your arguments. With your fact-filtering skills you would've definitly made it Stalin's favorite if you were born in Russia and became a journalist.:good

:lol:

Let's see you list Chris.

[McGrain]

Order of pure chin-

1. Jim Jeffries (4)

Interesting choice at number one.

Let's hear a little bit about the big hitters that teed of on Jeffries?

[mcvey]

Please. Ali slipped.

"Gasping for air." :lol:

The powers of self-delusion.

Ali has a chin on his side. :lol:
Wepner stood on his foot actually,Wepner said that he met Ali a few years ago ,and doubted that Ali recognized him as he gave no sign ,but later as they were next to each other Ali stepped on his foot ,looked at him and smiled.

[mcvey]

Like this:

1) Ali (1)
2) Liston (3)
3) Jeffries (6)
4) Hollyfield (9)
5) Frazier (7)
6) Tyson (10)
7) Holmes (8)
8) Johnson (4)
9) Louis (2)
10) Lewis (5)

So I think Ali had the best chin out of the ATG top ten HW's, and Lewis the worst - incidently, I'm not one of these guys who says Lewis has a glass chin, just that he has the worst chin in this exalted group.

The number in brackets is where I have each fighter overall.

What do you think? And let's see yours...
Ali
Liston
Jeffries
Foreman

[mr. magoo]

Interesting, the standard is how often one is knocked out.


Oh wait, when it's Marciano, the standard is no longer how often one is knocked out.

But then again, when comparing Marciano to Ali, the new standard is comparing how often one is floored in title fights.


Good work selecting the right stats to suit your arguments. With your fact-filtering skills you would've definitly made it Stalin's favorite if you were born in Russia and became a journalist.:good

Get some perspective, folks.[/quote]

With all due respect Chris, I think you took Hank's post out of context..

[ChrisPontius]

:lol:

Let's see you list Chris.

If we're talking about chin, i.e. purely being able to take a shot, not recovering ability etc:

1. Tyson (9)
2. Ali (2)
3. Holmes (5)
4. Holyfield (8)
5. Marciano (4)
6. Foreman (7)
7. Louis (1)
8. Frazier (6)
9. Lewis (3)
10. Johnson (10)

I will add that i think there's very little between Foremans chin and Tysons yet there are 5 spots between them. It's close. I give Tyson the edge because he has a come-forward style yet was only dropped after taking severe beatings. Stood up to Ruddocks best shots while Foreman was dropped hard in a somewhat better version of Ruddock, Lyle.

[janitor]

Interesting choice at number one.

Let's hear a little bit about the big hitters that teed of on Jeffries?

Consider first that Jeffries was never off his feet in the ring before facing Jack Johnson after a long layoff.

Jeffries not only fought punchers like Bob Fitzsimmons and Tom Sharkey but took everything that they could dish out over prolonged fights without tasting the canvas once. Every other fighter on my list has been decked by lesser punchers than these at some point in their career.

I don't think it would be beyond reason to say that Jeffries chin was close to that of Chuvalo and McCall.

[mr. magoo]

Clifford Byron Hammond had the greatest chin in history. He was only stopped 14 times in 44 losses, which is an outstanding ratio. What's more, only 7 of these stoppages/knockouts came in the first round. One of them being against Joe Louis, the greatest puncher of all time.

[ironchamp]

If we're talking about chin, i.e. purely being able to take a shot, not recovering ability etc:

1. Tyson (9)
2. Ali (2)
3. Holmes (5)
4. Holyfield (8)
5. Marciano (4)
6. Foreman (7)
7. Louis (1)
8. Frazier (6)
9. Lewis (3)
10. Johnson (10)

I will add that i think there's very little between Foremans chin and Tysons yet there are 5 spots between them. It's close. I give Tyson the edge because he has a come-forward style yet was only dropped after taking severe beatings. Stood up to Ruddocks best shots while Foreman was dropped hard in a somewhat better version of Ruddock, Lyle.

If you trade places with Marciano and Foreman & Holyfield and Ali then you have my list.

[Ravishing Rick]

:bartOrder of pure chin-

1. Jim Jeffries (4)
2. Muhamad Ali (2)
3. Sam Langford (9)
4. Rocky Marciano (6)
5. Sonny Liston (7)
6. Jack Dempsey (5)
7. Joe Frazier (10)
8. Joe Louis (1)
9. Jack Johnson (3)
10. Lenox Lewis (8)

Now if I were taking recuperative ability into acount-

1. Jim Jeffries (4)
2. Muhamad Ali (2)
3. Jack Dempsey (5)
4. Sam Langford (9)
5. Rocky Marciano (6)
6. Joe Louis (1)
7. Sonny Liston (7)
8. Joe Frazier (10)
9. Jack Johnson (3)
10. Lenox Lewis (8)

lennox lewis on all time great chin list? i dont think so

[Pachilles]

8's and () must be a code for smiles. I did not put those in on purpose.

don't worry mate, we don't think you're gay or anything

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[frankenfrank]

1. Oliver McCall (4)
2. Maufaufau Tavito Sita (5)
3. Holyfield (8)
4. Tyson (7)
5. Clay (10)
6. Bowe (6)
7. Valuev (1)
8. Vitali (2)
9. Foreman (3)
10. Lewis (9)

[SuzieQ49]

That can't be your same list today McGrain. Rocky Marciano? Fought 3 top 100 RIng Magazine's punchers of all time and was never seriousely rocked on film.

[FJAY360]

:bart

lennox lewis on all time great chin list? i dont think so
Do you understand the list?

[Beouche]

Vitali for sure and possibly Tua as recentish additions

[Asterion]

I would put McCall, Tua, Chuvalo and Vitali Klitschko in my Top5.

[bigjake]

1) Marciano (5)
2) Foreman (6)
3) Tyson (10)
4) Holyfield (9) As much will as chin.
5) Ali (1) More will to finish than chin alone
6) Holmes (4)
7) Frazier (8)
8) Louis (2)
9) Lewis (7)
10) Johnson (3) Hard to place, but stopped 5 times. Twice before peak, 3
times after peak (twice around the age of 50)

ali isn't at number 5 buddy,you got that wrong

[bigjake]

You forgot Chuck Wepner also drop Ali in a title fight. A Amazing body shot that had Ali gapping for air.

wepner wasalso stepping on ali's foot,something you foregot to mention

[frankenfrank]

I would put McCall, Tua, Chuvalo and Vitali Klitschko in my Top5.
This is not a ranking of top 10 chins , this is ranking your top 10 according to their chin , do you understand ?

[Ravishing Rick]

Do you understand the list?

yes "your top ten heavyweights" in order of their chin. but still i feel his chin is [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Flea Man]

ATG Chin
1. Ali 1. Ali
2. Louis 2. Foreman
3. Lewis 3. Holyfield
4. Foreman 4. Tyson
5. Holmes 5. Holmes
6. Holyfield 6. Frazier
7. Tyson 7. Lennox
8. Frazier 8. Louis
9. Marciano 9. Marciano
10. Charles 10. Charles

[the cobra]

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Evander Holyfield
3. Jim Jeffries
4. Mike Tyson
5. George Foreman
6. Sonny Liston
7. Rocky Marciano
8. Larry Holmes
9. Joe Frazier
10. Joe Louis
11. Jack Johnson
12. Lennox Lewis

[burt bienstock]

Who can truly say.?A great defensive fighter who is seldom hit solidly and is rarely dropped,think Ali,can not be compared to a Max Baer who took dozens of left-hooks and right crosses from Joe Louis. Would Ali have been able to take those murderous fast
combinations from Joe Louis that the concrete chinned Baer took for 4 rounds, if Ali had Baer's porous defense.? I think not.
So on a purely proven iron chin in no order except time frame up :
James J Jeffries
Max Baer
Paolino Uzcudun
George Chuvalo
Tex Cobb
Oliver McCall
Ali

[burt bienstock]

Who can truly say.?A great defensive fighter who is seldom hit solidly and is rarely dropped,think Ali,can not be compared to a Max Baer who took dozens of left-hooks and right crosses from Joe Louis. Would Ali have been able to take those murderous fast
combinations from Joe Louis that the concrete chinned Baer took for 4 rounds, if Ali had Baer's porous defense.? I think not.
So on a purely proven iron chin in no order except time frame up :
James J Jeffries
Max Baer
Paolino Uzcudun
George Chuvalo
Tex Cobb
Oliver McCall
Ali
Addendum- I forgot Mike Tyson also

[frankenfrank]

Who can truly say.?A great defensive fighter who is seldom hit solidly and is rarely dropped,think Ali,can not be compared to a Max Baer who took dozens of left-hooks and right crosses from Joe Louis. Would Ali have been able to take those murderous fast
combinations from Joe Louis that the concrete chinned Baer took for 4 rounds, if Ali had Baer's porous defense.? I think not.
So on a purely proven iron chin in no order except time frame up :
James J Jeffries
Max Baer
Paolino Uzcudun
George Chuvalo
Tex Cobb
Oliver McCall
Ali

Addendum- I forgot Mike Tyson also

This is not a ranking of top 10 chins , this is ranking your top 10 according to their chin , do you understand ?
sort heavyweights by whatever criteria you usually do and only then sort them by chin

[FJAY360]

yes "your top ten heavyweights" in order of their chin. but still i feel his chin is [Only registered and activated users can see links]
Its your 10 ATG heavyweights in order of who had the best chin, not top 10 chins. So your initial post made no sense :patsch

[mhubbard]

:bart

lennox lewis on all time great chin list? i dont think so

Agree with you. Especially after the way he went down against Hasim Rahman.

[FJAY360]

Agree with you. Especially after the way his went down against Hasim Rahman.
This isn't an all time great chin list, its a list of your top 10 atg heavyweights and ranking them in terms of their chin.

I don't think people actually read the initial post :lol:.

[red cobra]

:lol::clap:
Let's hear it for Sultan!!!!!!:happy

[red cobra]

:lol::clap:
Sultan would agree that his chin was the best...he'd say so himself, but he's never been one to Ibragimov.

[Mendoza]

Well you said top ten, which I will assume does not mean champions only.

I would say the ten best heavyweight best chins in boxing in no order are:

Jeffries – Was described as nearly impossible to hurt in his time of light gloves.

Vitali Klitschko – Has the distinction of never being floored in 40+ fights and taking direct bombs from punchers Such as Lewis, Sanders, and Hide.

Tua – Who was only down once and never stopped

Ali – Fought many punchers and was only stopped in older age. Frazier, Foreman, Liston and Norton could not stop Ali.

McCall – Like Vitali he is the other ring magazine champion never to be floored

Chavalo – Unofficially down vs. Bonevena, and stopped quickly vs. Foreman and Frazier. Not sure if I would put him above any of the listed fighters, but he took a heck of a shot.

Valuev – While mediocre in ability, the giant proved durable over the course of his career. Might want to change this one later on.

Langford – In his prime, he went something like 100 matches without being stopped

Holmes – Was only stopped once past his prime by Tyson. Took bombs from Shavers, Norton, Smith, Cooney and company. Very durable

Mercer – Only down once in his prime. Mercer was known for an excellent chin. Lewis and Morrison could not hurt him.

[SuzieQ49]

No Marciano? No Liston? Asinine.

Marciano fought 3 Ring Magazine top 100 punchers of all time, was never hurt badly on film, and never stopped. Only floored 2x by hall of famers for flash knockdowns

Liston took huge bombs off devastating punchers like Cleveland Williams, Mike DeJohn, and Nino Valdes without flinching. Was never knocked down near his prime, other than a dive he took against Ali. Knocked one time at the end of his career by a Ring Magazine top 100 puncher

[SuzieQ49]

Im sick of these 1990s steroid freaks getting all the glory. Morrison was clearly a steroid abuser, Vitali tested positive in 1996 for steroids, and mercer probably took them too.

[Mendoza]

Im sick of these 1990s steroid freaks getting all the glory. Morrison was clearly a steroid abuser, Vitali tested positive in 1996 for steroids, and mercer probably took them too.

Well Vitali always tested clean as a pro. If you think this is the HGH/ Steroids era, then taking a shot would be even harder today, which makes Vitali's record of never being floored even more impressive. Touché

[Flea Man]

What bombs did Vitali take from Hide?

[slicksouthpaw16]

Im sick of these 1990s steroid freaks getting all the glory. Morrison was clearly a steroid abuser, Vitali tested positive in 1996 for steroids, and mercer probably took them too.

Just like my uncle said "you'd be shocked at the number of fighters who probably use steroids". Who's to say someone like Wlad doesn't use them? Povetkin requested a roid test and he immediately turned it down. Evander was roiding up, and Pacquaio most likely does as well. Its takes more than roids to be dominant but I'm just saying.

[bigjake]

Well you said top ten, which I will assume does not mean champions only.

I would say the ten best heavyweight best chins in boxing in no order are:

Jeffries – Was described as nearly impossible to hurt in his time of light gloves.

Vitali Klitschko – Has the distinction of never being floored in 40+ fights and taking direct bombs from punchers Such as Lewis, Sanders, and Hide.

Tua – Who was only down once and never stopped

Ali – Fought many punchers and was only stopped in older age. Frazier, Foreman, Liston and Norton could not stop Ali.

McCall – Like Vitali he is the other ring magazine champion never to be floored

Chavalo – Unofficially down vs. Bonevena, and stopped quickly vs. Foreman and Frazier. Not sure if I would put him above any of the listed fighters, but he took a heck of a shot.

Valuev – While mediocre in ability, the giant proved durable over the course of his career. Might want to change this one later on.

Langford – In his prime, he went something like 100 matches without being stopped

Holmes – Was only stopped once past his prime by Tyson. Took bombs from Shavers, Norton, Smith, Cooney and company. Very durable

Mercer – Only down once in his prime. Mercer was known for an excellent chin. Lewis and Morrison could not hurt him.

funny how you can say chuvalo was unoffically down against bonavena and never mention vitali being on his knees against sanders,vitali was dropped by sanders .

[he grant]

Vitali
Ali
Jeffries
Willard
Tyson
Baer
Holyfield
Foreman
Frazier
Bonecrusher Smith

No real order ...

[SuzieQ49]

How does Frazier have a better chin than Marciano when he was floored by clubfighter Michael Bruce, and 2x and nearly knocked out by non lethal Oscar Bonavena?

[SuzieQ49]

Mendoza,

Steroids allow you to take a better punch as well as dish it out. More testosterone.

[he grant]

How does Frazier have a better chin than Marciano when he was floored by clubfighter Michael Bruce, and 2x and nearly knocked out by non lethal Oscar Bonavena?

Marciano did not fight one , prime, large heavyweight big puncher in his career.

[red cobra]

How does Frazier have a better chin than Marciano when he was floored by clubfighter Michael Bruce, and 2x and nearly knocked out by non lethal Oscar Bonavena?
I wouldn't call Bonavena "non lethel"..Frazier was just damned lucky that Bonavena didn't go for broke and whale away for a 3rd kd...but that much said, Marciano had the better chin. It's funny as hell how the revisionists have downgraded Rocky's chin the way they have.

[itrymariti]

Done it in tiers:

Liston (unbreakable impenetrable impervious cast iron granite)

Lewis (impervious cast iron granite)





Jeffries (rock solid)

Holmes (very good)
Tyson (very good)


Louis (solid)
Johnson (solid)





Frazier (poor)






Holyfield (absolute glass, survived largely on luck and shit opposition)

[Beouche]

Both McCall and Vitali deserve a place in the ATG Chin List

:smoke

[Ravishing Rick]

Done it in tiers:

Liston (unbreakable impenetrable impervious cast iron granite)

Lewis (impervious cast iron granite)





Jeffries (rock solid)

Holmes (very good)
Tyson (very good)


Louis (solid)
Johnson (solid)





Frazier (poor)






Holyfield (absolute glass, survived largely on luck and shit opposition)

:roll::patsch:-(

[Ravishing Rick]

Both McCall and Vitali deserve a place in the ATG Chin List

:smoke

mccall's chin was made of steel:deal

[Ravishing Rick]

This isn't an all time great chin list, its a list of your top 10 atg heavyweights and ranking them in terms of their chin.

I don't think people actually read the initial post :lol:.

fuck you and your race car driver avatar!:bbb

[Ravishing Rick]

Im sick of these 1990s steroid freaks getting all the glory. Morrison was clearly a steroid abuser, Vitali tested positive in 1996 for steroids, and mercer probably took them too.

agreed. to an extent. yes some were on roids. But when you say steroid freak getting all the glory i think you are mistaken!

I am sick of pre-1965 heavyweights getting all the glor on this damn forum!

guys like you and janitor still beleive joe louis would survive a mike tyson or Lennox Lewis:patsch

Think about this. Wlad has defended his title what, 9-10 times already? ok. Joe louis defend his title for 11 times with quality opposition then he fought the bum of the month club with very poor opposition!:deal and that made up his 20 defenses! If Wlad defends his title 20 times I guarentee you most of you old farts will say Louis is still better!

Even Larry Holmes probably could have eaten Louis H2H. Way too much movement and too good of a jab!
so its the old timers that TOO much credit in my book!

[he grant]

I wouldn't call Bonavena "non lethel"..Frazier was just damned lucky that Bonavena didn't go for broke and whale away for a 3rd kd...but that much said, Marciano had the better chin. It's funny as hell how the revisionists have downgraded Rocky's chin the way they have.

There is no way to knock Marciano's chin as he never lost a fight, let alone by KO ... however it is not revisionist to honest review his opposition ... there was a thread here not long ago and it was mostly agreed that among the great heavyweights Rocky fought the lightest punchers ...

[Mendoza]

What bombs did Vitali take from Hide?

He took some flush right hands in round one very well. They did not hurt or deter him. Bowe who fought many said Hide was the best puncher he faced.

[Mendoza]

funny how you can say chuvalo was unoffically down against bonavena and never mention vitali being on his knees against sanders,vitali was dropped by sanders .

Funny how? Did you see the flims. Its clear Sanders who landed a heck of a shot in round one pushed Vitali down in a clinch. It is also clear Bonnevena floored Chavalo with pucnhes...but the ref blew it.

I'll stand on the flims.

[Jorodz]

Funny how? Did you see the flims. Its clear Sanders who landed a heck of a shot in round one pushed Vitali down in a clinch. It is also clear Bonnevena floored Chavalo with pucnhes...but the ref blew it.

I'll stand on the flims.

i disagree and actually think the opposite but films aren't always clear. the thread over gans/mcgovern proved that. the evidence isn't concrete for either "knockdown" and they're open to some interpretation

[pacpowerpellet]

Like this:

1) Ali (1)
2) Liston (3)
3) Jeffries (6)
4) Hollyfield (9)
5) Frazier (7)
6) Tyson (10)
7) Holmes (8)
8) Johnson (4)
9) Louis (2)
10) Lewis (5)

So I think Ali had the best chin out of the ATG top ten HW's, and Lewis the worst - incidently, I'm not one of these guys who says Lewis has a glass chin, just that he has the worst chin in this exalted group.

The number in brackets is where I have each fighter overall.

What do you think? And let's see yours...

liston was koed in the first round by ali who was never a big hitter do you seriously say he has a better chin then holyfield? and lewis has a better chin then liston he was koed by 2 massive punchers and not a chance would ali get him in the first round listons one of the most overrated rated boxers of all time

[Jorodz]

liston was koed in the first round by ali who was never a big hitter do you seriously say he has a better chin then holyfield? and lewis has a better chin then liston he was koed by 2 massive punchers and not a chance would ali get him in the first round listons one of the most overrated rated boxers of all time

it was probably a dive, negating the impact of the "knockout" on his legacy. again, it's conjecture but commonly accepted conjecture

[he grant]

First of all great call on McCall , an obvious choice ... Onmy personal list I'd also change Liston for Frazier ...

[SuzieQ49]

Marciano did not fight one , prime, large heavyweight big puncher in his career.

The only one Frazier fought bounced him around the ring like a ragdoll :lol: Unless you want to use featherfisted Joe Bugner as evidence Frazier took a punch from a powerful big punching heavyweight :lol:

[SuzieQ49]

First of all great call on McCall , an obvious choice ... Onmy personal list I'd also change Liston for Frazier ...


Good. Liston had a better chin than Frazier. So did Marciano.

[SuzieQ49]

It's funny as hell how the revisionists have downgraded Rocky's chin the way they have.

I don't know where it came about :patsch

Maybe if he fought Nino Valdes or Bob Baker, people wouldn't be giving him as much shit?

[Jorodz]

I don't know where it came about :patsch

Maybe if he fought Nino Valdes or Bob Baker, people wouldn't be giving him as much shit?

ive criticized rocky's skills and competition in the past but his chin?? flash knockdowns against the greatest 175 pound hitter of all time and one of the best heavyweight puncher/trapsters doesn't make him vulnerable

[PetethePrince]

The only one Frazier fought bounced him around the ring like a ragdoll :lol: Unless you want to use featherfisted Joe Bugner as evidence Frazier took a punch from a powerful big punching heavyweight :lol:

Didn't Bugner stun Frazier too?

[salsanchezfan]

The fact that Frazier and Liston's chins are being argued with only the most paltry mention to Chuvalo and Cobb is really surprising and a little disgusting.

[red cobra]

I don't know where it came about :patsch

Maybe if he fought Nino Valdes or Bob Baker, people wouldn't be giving him as much shit?
Nah...if you're white, undefeated, short and clumsy looking (oh so deceptively so), you're gonna get no respect these days. The shit that I read here...serious posts by some maintaining that Roy Jones would beat Rocky..and "what lightheavyweight would beat Marciano?"..that's another "favorite" of mine. Marciano, no matter who he would have fought and beaten would get no respect in some quarters today. Some here have a top ten list of great heavyweight chins with no mention of Marciano.

[Mendoza]

Didn't Bugner stun Frazier too?

Yes, he did.

[Unforgiven]

I think McGrain's intention with the thread is that we should just use our TOP TEN GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHTS OF ALL-TIME and list them in order of chin.
I read it that way anyway.

So, guys like Cobb and Chuvalo and McCall and Tua shouldn't get a mention. (Unless of course you have one or more of those men in your top 10 greatest HW lists ..... for example, only if you're Frankenfrank.)

[McGrain]

I think McGrain's intention with the thread is that we should just use our TOP TEN GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHTS OF ALL-TIME and list them in order of chin.



Yep.

Quite a few years ago though I think.

[Garrus]

Yep.

Quite a few years ago though I think.

:lol:

[Unforgiven]

Yep.

Quite a few years ago though I think.

:lol:

[MRBILL]

Like this:

1) Ali (1)
2) Liston (3)
3) Jeffries (6)
4) Hollyfield (9)
5) Frazier (7)
6) Tyson (10)
7) Holmes (8)
8) Johnson (4)
9) Louis (2)
10) Lewis (5)

So I think Ali had the best chin out of the ATG top ten HW's, and Lewis the worst - incidently, I'm not one of these guys who says Lewis has a glass chin, just that he has the worst chin in this exalted group.

The number in brackets is where I have each fighter overall.

What do you think? And let's see yours...

I'd bump Lewis and replace him with V.K.:deal

MR.BILL