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If JMM beats Pac again then P4P where would they each rank?
I say JMM moves up to #2 automatically and Pac moves down to 4 or 5.
puga_ni_nana
11-04-2007, 04:34 AM
If JMM beats Pac again then P4P where would they each rank?
I say JMM moves up to #2 automatically and Pac moves down to 4 or 5.
again? so it means that they must fight two times in 2008 because the last time they fought, it was a DRAW.
again? so it means that they must fight two times in 2008 because the last time they fought, it was a DRAW.
And so was JCC vs Pernell Whitaker.
Spitfire7
11-04-2007, 04:41 AM
If JMM beats Pac again then P4P where would they each rank?
..why can't you Mexies get over THAT fight...:huh
dangerousity
11-04-2007, 04:46 AM
And so was JCC vs Pernell Whitaker.
Youre right, Pac won the last fight. Pac clearly won 4 rounds with some rounds very even. give half the even rounds to jmm n other half to pac and walah, pac won. Jmm should thank his lucky stars one judge didnt understand the rulebook properly.
If JMM beats Pac, he jumps to #2 and pac falls to 8-9.
..why can't you Mexies get over THAT fight...:huh
It's like asking a Whitaker fanatic to get over JCC's draw against him. A robbery is a robbery, and will always be looked upon as a robbery untill you start accepting and comform to what "THEY" tell you happened.
I think JMM is a li'l overrated in the P4P rankings in terms of achievements.
His recent notable fights:
A close win aginats MAB
Lost to JOHN
Draw with PAC
But in fairness to him skill wise JMM is numero uno P4P IMO. But to answer your question i think he'll move up to #3 and pac to 5 or 6...
Spit Bucket
11-04-2007, 04:48 AM
If JMM beats Pac again then P4P where would they each rank?
I say JMM moves up to #2 automatically and Pac moves down to 4 or 5.
if pac KO's JMM in the first round... would you call JMM a shot fighter?
...just askin :good
Spitfire7
11-04-2007, 04:50 AM
@Uli...if that gives you some level of psychological high and redemption, so be it.:yep
But that obviously won't change an iota in the real world!:hey :deal
Youre right, Pac won the last fight. Pac clearly won 4 rounds with some rounds very even. give half the even rounds to jmm n other half to pac and walah, pac won. Jmm should thank his lucky stars one judge didnt understand the rulebook properly.
If JMM beats Pac, he jumps to #2 and pac falls to 8-9.
No Pac won 3 rounds 4 at most and that is being extremely generous.
Pac should thank HBO, the Judges, and the hype for his draw.
Going into that fight it was all about Pac. "Pac is the best thing", "Pac King of Phillipines", "Pac Mexican Assasin", story of Pac's life just before his fight", "pac's wife", Pac this Pac that. He had signed a huge contract with HBO as well and he was supposed to be the next DLH.
So what happned? JMM was KD 3 times, everyone got wet, then JMM despite the 3 KDs, his busted mouth, busted nose, hurt moral, hurt confidence, comes and displays one of boxings GREATESTS comebacks and masterful boxing.
if pac KO's JMM in the first round... would you call JMM a shot fighter?
...just askin :good
If Pac KO's JMM in the FIRST ROUND :shock: then I will give Pac all the credit in the world.
hellblazer
11-04-2007, 04:57 AM
the first fight was a draw..next time they meet, i'm very sure Pac will win convincingly. K.O or UD...
Please... let's just wait for the fight. PAC-JMM is a never ending soap opera. Hope they fight soon and end this shit! it's getting tiring already...
PATSYS
11-04-2007, 05:03 AM
And so was JCC vs Pernell Whitaker.
Pernell was not even close to being hurt in that fight, let alone kncoked down 3X in the first round :lol:
dangerousity
11-04-2007, 05:03 AM
No Pac won 3 rounds 4 at most and that is being extremely generous.
Pac should thank HBO, the Judges, and the hype for his draw.
Going into that fight it was all about Pac. "Pac is the best thing", "Pac King of Phillipines", "Pac Mexican Assasin", story of Pac's life just before his fight", "pac's wife", Pac this Pac that. He had signed a huge contract with HBO as well and he was supposed to be the next DLH.
So what happned? JMM was KD 3 times, everyone got wet, then JMM despite the 3 KDs, his busted mouth, busted nose, hurt moral, hurt confidence, comes and displays one of boxings GREATESTS comebacks and masterful boxing.
Pac won 1, 2 and on round 10 or 11 he land 18punches vs JMM's 12 also landing more power punches. I see now that stating simple facts is being too generous as it is traditional behaviour for you 2 twist things.
Main Events
11-04-2007, 05:05 AM
It's stupid to compare JCC-Whitaker to PAC-JMM. JCC- Pernell was a robbery.. PAC-JMM was a close fight? It's a stupid way to bring up JCC-Pernel into the topic.
JMM would be at number 2 and Pac at 6
nighthunter
11-04-2007, 05:14 AM
Please... let's just wait for the fight. PAC-JMM is a never ending soap opera. Hope they fight soon and end this shit! it's getting tiring already...
:yep :yep :yep
LETs get it on. then what?
do you think if PAC win they will accept it? their is obvious answer to that! JMM is already 34:| :| :| a shot for some mexies but look on his last fight, they are all celebrating:hey :hey :hey
It's stupid to compare JCC-Whitaker to PAC-JMM. JCC- Pernell was a robbery.. PAC-JMM was a close fight? It's a stupid way to bring up JCC-Pernel into the topic.
JMM would be at number 2 and Pac at 6
Not it is not stupid at all. JMM won the fight but the Media Darling, cash cow, HBO son was awarded a draw.
Pernell was not even close to being hurt in that fight, let alone kncoked down 3X in the first round :lol:
One round doesn't win you the entire fight, it wins you one round.
KD your opponent 3 times in one round but losing 8-9 rounds also doesn't win you fights.
Main Events
11-04-2007, 05:22 AM
Not it is not stupid at all. JMM won the fight but the Media Darling, cash cow, HBO son was awarded a draw.
But does it look like a robbery like Jcc-pernell? Anyone who says JMM-PAC a robbery is STUPID! It was a close fight, a draw is right on the money.
PATSYS
11-04-2007, 05:37 AM
One round doesn't win you the entire fight, it wins you one round.
KD your opponent 3 times in one round but losing 8-9 rounds also doesn't win you fights.
So are you saying JMM was robbed against Pac in the same way that Whitaker was against JCC? :lol:
rjamesd1
11-04-2007, 11:52 AM
again? so it means that they must fight two times in 2008 because the last time they fought, it was a DRAW.
Actually, if not because of the stupidity of one of the judges, PACMAN could have come out the winner.
PacDbest
11-04-2007, 11:55 AM
If JMM beats Pac again then P4P where would they each rank?
I say JMM moves up to #2 automatically and Pac moves down to 4 or 5.
Big IF... But it's not gonna happen.
brooklyn1550
11-04-2007, 11:56 AM
If JMM beat Pacquiao, I would move him up to number 2 and move Pacquiao down to around 6/7
SugarShane_24
11-04-2007, 12:03 PM
It depends on the win of course.
If JMM stops Pac emphatically or dominates him then JMM is #2 and Pac is probably around 8 or out of the ratings.
If JMM wins a close fight then he's #2 and Pac is down to 5-7.
If JMM wins a controversial decision or gets behind on points then lands a lucky punch then they'll just switch places.
loui_ludwig
11-04-2007, 12:13 PM
If JMM beats Pac again then P4P where would they each rank?
I say JMM moves up to #2 automatically and Pac moves down to 4 or 5.
LOL, can you be more biased than that.
The FACTS:
The official ruling was a DRAW.
1 Judge made an error by scoring the 1st round 10-7 instead of 10-6. If it was scored CORRECTLY or CORRECTED after the fight(just like Barrera-Juarez 1 fight), Pacquiao will get the split decision.
The fight was closed, JMM migth have the better boxing skills, but Pacquiao was throwing a lot of punches and landed about the same amount punches.
JMM had 3-5 low blows that the ref did nod even warn then deducted points.
Lederman had it 115-110 for Pacquiao and Merchant had it a close decision for Pac also.
The media was split.
It was a DRAW, live with it.
loui_ludwig
11-04-2007, 12:16 PM
It's stupid to compare JCC-Whitaker to PAC-JMM. JCC- Pernell was a robbery.. PAC-JMM was a close fight? It's a stupid way to bring up JCC-Pernel into the topic.
JMM would be at number 2 and Pac at 6
Exactly.
loui_ludwig
11-04-2007, 12:19 PM
If Pac beats JMM and Guzman/Soto winner, then moved up and beat Juan Diaz, he would still not get the credit from the haters. Because that is what they are, a hater. They would post that Pac should move up to 140 and fight the number 1 guy overther.
michael 901
11-04-2007, 12:56 PM
if marquez won the p4p would be like this 1 pbf 2 jmm 3 b-hop 4 joe 5 pac
Alo2006
11-04-2007, 12:56 PM
2 or 3
the_what
11-04-2007, 01:30 PM
..why can't you Mexies get over THAT fight...:huh
Since when has Isal ever been Mexican? :lol:
brownpimp88
11-04-2007, 01:57 PM
If manny pacquaio won 4 rounds, which is the general consensus and if the first round is 10-6, then technically Marquez should have won the fight by 1 point, all you have to do is use your math folks, marquez won this fight no matter how you look at it. Even PBF said it perfectly, if you drop your opponent 3 times and the fight is a draw, it means you really lost the fight.
round 1: 10-6 pac
round 2: 10-9 pac
round 3-9: all 10-9 marquez
round 10-11:10-9 pac
round 12: 10-9 marquez
113-112 marquez, only a completely biased pac fan would give him 5-6 rounds.
Silvermags
11-05-2007, 07:40 PM
[quote=dangerousity]Youre right, Pac won the last fight. Pac clearly won 4 rounds with some rounds very even. give half the even rounds to jmm n other half to pac and walah, pac won. Jmm should thank his lucky stars one judge didnt understand the rulebook properly.
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TOO bad! Some mexican boxing fans refuse to understand the mistake that one of the judges made a mistake! In fact from the topic itself
they even believe that JMM won over pacman :huh
TOO bad! Some mexican boxing fans refuse to understand the mistake that one of the judges made a mistake! In fact from the topic itself
they even believe that JMM won over pacman :huh
JMM clearly won.
Aside of round 1 and 2 I'd like to know which rounds you gave Pac.
pejevan
11-06-2007, 12:26 AM
Number 1 because that is the only way to quiet down nuthugging.
boxbox
11-06-2007, 12:41 AM
it was a draw, a close one..all those saying it was a schooling is just too happy JMM survived! he really did well after the first. On the otherhand, if it wasnt for an error of one of the judges then PAC should've won.
bandeedo
11-06-2007, 01:08 AM
they were two very evenly matched fighters fighting at elite levels and the best man was never established. you can argue points and errors all you want but it doesnt change the fact that neither man beat the other. i hope marquez hasnt lost too much since the first fight and gives us a great fight. im sure manny will do his part to give us a great fight.
charlievint
11-06-2007, 11:33 AM
If JMM beats Pac again then P4P where would they each rank?
I say JMM moves up to #2 automatically and Pac moves down to 4 or 5.
Well...JMM actually has to grow a set and take the fight...& JMM would still have to actually "WIN" against PAC since he was "GIVEN A GIFT" of a draw when they intially met the first time. But if he were to beat PAC he'd move up to #3. but again....that's highly unlikely b/c JMM lost to MAB in a very close fight who PAC just dominated.
charlievint
11-06-2007, 11:35 AM
No Pac won 3 rounds 4 at most and that is being extremely generous.
Pac should thank HBO, the Judges, and the hype for his draw.
Going into that fight it was all about Pac. "Pac is the best thing", "Pac King of Phillipines", "Pac Mexican Assasin", story of Pac's life just before his fight", "pac's wife", Pac this Pac that. He had signed a huge contract with HBO as well and he was supposed to be the next DLH.
So what happned? JMM was KD 3 times, everyone got wet, then JMM despite the 3 KDs, his busted mouth, busted nose, hurt moral, hurt confidence, comes and displays one of boxings GREATESTS comebacks and masterful boxing.
Only to loose!:D But he should have been thanking HBO for allowing an incompetant judge to score the fight and give JMM a draw he didn't deserve.
PH|LLA
11-06-2007, 11:37 AM
again
:rofl
some people are fucknig delusional
Silvermags
11-06-2007, 08:12 PM
again
:rofl
some people are fucknig delusional
Yup! They don't want to hear the story that the judge made the mistake and STILL believe JMM who won. In fact even if the judge
did not make a mistake and gave the WIN to pacman they will still not believe.
That's right some people are fucking delusional!!!! :good
Only to loose!:D But he should have been thanking HBO for allowing an incompetant judge to score the fight and give JMM a draw he didn't deserve.
JMM was robbed to the protected new HBO darling Pac.
Yup! They don't want to hear the story that the judge made the mistake and STILL believe JMM who won. In fact even if the judge
did not make a mistake and gave the WIN to pacman they will still not believe.
That's right some people are fucking delusional!!!! :good
Judges said that Tito beat ODLH.
Judges said that Whitaker drew with Chavez
Judges said Pac won more than 4 rounds against JMM.
:good
it was a draw, a close one..all those saying it was a schooling is just too happy JMM survived! he really did well after the first. On the otherhand, if it wasnt for an error of one of the judges then PAC should've won.
I don't know how much closer can a draw get?
JMM survived the first round, but Manny survived that last 10.
Yup! They don't want to hear the story that the judge made the mistake and STILL believe JMM who won. In fact even if the judge
did not make a mistake and gave the WIN to pacman they will still not believe.
That's right some people are fucking delusional!!!! :good
Silvermgs I'm still waiting to see what rounds you scored for Manny?
PH|LLA
11-06-2007, 08:53 PM
Pac will drop down to 8 or 9. Most people are begging for an excuse to get Pac out of that list.
JMM will move up to 2 or 3.
Silvermags
11-08-2007, 04:03 AM
I did not watch it again just to score. I have more important things to do than try to be the judge and act like a judge nor am I competent to be a judge. I just RESPECT the judgement.
Anyway, no amount of arguement will be suffice coz as far as you are concerned JMM was robbed period. Even if the the judges did not commit a mistake and pacman won by split decision. You will not honor their judgement. You would still feel you were robbed.
I just hope pacman fights JMM soon to finish the unfinished business. After NOBODY CAN DENY that his fight with PACMAN will give him the biggest PAYCHECK of his CAREER!
For better than the a little over 30K he got from his losing fight in thailand and for refusing the intial offer (750K if not mistaken).
Wise decision by JMM or Studip/crazy decsion. Your thoughts?
charlievint
11-08-2007, 06:26 PM
JMM was robbed to the protected new HBO darling Pac.
:lol: :nut
divac
11-09-2007, 02:18 AM
If Mayweather were to lose to Ricky Hatton this december, and JMM once again takes Pac to school......
......check this out friends.......JMM #1 P4P!!!!:deal :hey :yep
psychopath
11-09-2007, 03:49 AM
If Mayweather were to lose to Ricky Hatton this december, and JMM once again takes Pac to school......
......check this out friends.......JMM #1 P4P!!!!:deal :hey :yep
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah right in your dreams. :yep :rofl
cuchulain
11-09-2007, 03:54 AM
No Pac won 3 rounds 4 at most and that is being extremely generous.
Pac should thank HBO, the Judges, and the hype for his draw.
Going into that fight it was all about Pac. "Pac is the best thing", "Pac King of Phillipines", "Pac Mexican Assasin", story of Pac's life just before his fight", "pac's wife", Pac this Pac that. He had signed a huge contract with HBO as well and he was supposed to be the next DLH.
So what happned? JMM was KD 3 times, everyone got wet, then JMM despite the 3 KDs, his busted mouth, busted nose, hurt moral, hurt confidence, comes and displays one of boxings GREATESTS comebacks and masterful boxing.
Do you see the irony in having Pac thank the judges?
One judge confesed post-fight that he didn't score the KDs correctly in the first round, thereby ROBBING Pac of HIS victory.
JMM is more skilled than Pac, but when the intangibles are figured in, Pac is the better boxer.
I would like to see them do it again, hopefully soon.
LogDog69
11-09-2007, 11:04 AM
Youre right, Pac won the last fight. Pac clearly won 4 rounds with some rounds very even. give half the even rounds to jmm n other half to pac and walah, pac won. Jmm should thank his lucky stars one judge didnt understand the rulebook properly.
If JMM beats Pac, he jumps to #2 and pac falls to 8-9.
:good
Silvermags
11-10-2007, 02:14 AM
The key word is "IF" but you can dream, can't you? It's free anyway. :hi:
if JMM beat the Chris John!... John WHO?!!!!:rofl
DREAM on it's for FREE!!!!
doknochrisan
11-10-2007, 02:21 AM
Fuck Manny!
Fuck Barrera!
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