Why ARE Americans so obsessed with 'has been' fighters?

[David UK]

for example-
Old man Bore-nard (lost twice to the very ordinary Taylor)
Mosley-Classy fella, but lost twice to Vernon Forrest of all people!!
Oscar-Years past his best
Winky-Wake me up when it's over
Jones-Utterly brilliant last century
Tarver-Garbage


......when they have exciting young champs like Mayweather,Pavilk and Dawson? :huh

[Quik]

for example-
Old man Bore-nard (lost twice to the very ordinary Taylor)
Mosley-Classy fella, but lost twice to Vernon Forrest of all people!!
Oscar-Years past his best
Winky-Wake me up when it's over
Jones-Utterly brilliant last century
Tarver-Garbage


......when they have exciting young champs like Mayweather,Pavilk and Dawson? :huh

Yea hes so exciting to watch.

[K2ray]

for example-
Old man Bore-nard (lost twice to the very ordinary Taylor)
Mosley-Classy fella, but lost twice to Vernon Forrest of all people!!
Oscar-Years past his best
Winky-Wake me up when it's over
Jones-Utterly brilliant last century
Tarver-Garbage


......when they have exciting young champs like Mayweather,Pavilk and Dawson? :huh

aren't you the same clown who has repeatedly posted in these forums that you hope PBF loses against Hatton because he is brilliant:huh

...the great contradicitor is back I see:good

[brooklyn1550]

I'd say Mosley is still a man in the present. He's in good shape, can crack, and still has world class speed, reflexes.

Hopkins is a fading fighter, but still a world class one whose caginess and slickness can cause troubles for a lot of young fighters.

[David UK]

arenöt you the same clown who has repeateldy posted in these forums that you hope PBF loses against Hatton because he is brilliant:huh

...the great contradicitor is back I see:good

K2Gay, you really are a clown. Yes, I want Hatton to win because Mayweather is a brilliant fighter. The only contradiction is in your head

[K2ray]

K2Gay, you really are a clown. Yes, I want Hatton to win because Mayweather is a brilliant fighter. The only contradiction is in your head

So if I get it (according to the new Wiki of the world: David UK)Brilliance=you must lose
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[David UK]

K2Gay-I'm quite happy for posters to disagree with me but you make absolutely no sense whatsoever and quite frankly I'm tired of reading your drivel, especially as this is frequently racist. So you are the first poster I've ever added to my ignore list. This means whatever either racist or meaningless nonsense you write I shall not be able to read it!!!

[K2ray]

Ignore...a word not far of from what you are: ignorant.

Shame you couldn't take the truth!

[H .]

for example-
Old man Bore-nard (lost twice to the very ordinary Taylor)
Mosley-Classy fella, but lost twice to Vernon Forrest of all people!!
Oscar-Years past his best
Winky-Wake me up when it's over
Jones-Utterly brilliant last century
Tarver-Garbage


......when they have exciting young champs like Mayweather,Pavilk and Dawson? :huh

So Pavlik and Dawson deserve more respect than the others who have done so much for the sport? :huh

[sues2nd]

for example-
Old man Bore-nard (lost twice to the very ordinary Taylor)
Mosley-Classy fella, but lost twice to Vernon Forrest of all people!!
Oscar-Years past his best
Winky-Wake me up when it's over
Jones-Utterly brilliant last century
Tarver-Garbage


......when they have exciting young champs like Mayweather,Pavilk and Dawson? :huh

:patsch

Stupid post...

[rr94]

its stupid posts like this that keep me from reading ESB threads anymore.

why does it always have to be a UK-USA thing?

And the answer to your question:

ALL THE FIGHTERS YOU MENTIONED HAVE ESTABLISHED SOLID HALL OF FAME CREDENTIALS. Every fighter works their whole lives hoping to achieve such, and as an American fan (who doesnt necessarily like any of the fighters you mentioned) i enjoy watching them build their legacies and carve their own niches in the history books. I watched most of them fight since their amateurs. It's not because i'm American, it's because i'm a boxing fan, and i love boxing history being made. As for Dawson and Pavlik, i want to see them establish more than just a one division alphabet trinket or so.

[David UK]

its stupid posts like this that keep me from reading ESB threads anymore.

why does it always have to be a UK-USA thing?

And the answer to your question:

ALL THE FIGHTERS YOU MENTIONED HAVE ESTABLISHED SOLID HALL OF FAME CREDENTIALS. Every fighter works their whole lives hoping to achieve such, and as an American fan (who doesnt necessarily like any of the fighters you mentioned) i enjoy watching them build their legacies and carve their own niches in the history books. I watched most of them fight since their amateurs. It's not because i'm American, it's because i'm a boxing fan, and i love boxing history being made. As for Dawson and Pavlik, i want to see them establish more than just a one division alphabet trinket or so.

Fair enough. I acknowledge your answer, although i still find it puzzling why the Seniors Tour is more popular than the fighters at the top of their game.

With regard to UK v USA, I didn't mention a single UK fighter.:huh

[David UK]

So Pavlik and Dawson deserve more respect than the others who have done so much for the sport? :huh

I wan't talking about respect. I was wondering why fighters that are clearly years past their prime are the fighters most Americans seem to want to watch, rather than those in or approaching their prime. It's like a British fan getting all excited about a Howard Eastman fight rather than a David Haye fight

[Rollo]

for example-
Old man Bore-nard (lost twice to the very ordinary Taylor)
Mosley-Classy fella, but lost twice to Vernon Forrest of all people!!
Oscar-Years past his best
Winky-Wake me up when it's over
Jones-Utterly brilliant last century
Tarver-Garbage


......when they have exciting young champs like Mayweather,Pavilk and Dawson? :huh

:yikes

[Curtis Lowe]

for example-
Old man Bore-nard (lost twice to the very ordinary Taylor)
Mosley-Classy fella, but lost twice to Vernon Forrest of all people!!
Oscar-Years past his best
Winky-Wake me up when it's over
Jones-Utterly brilliant last century
Tarver-Garbage


......when they have exciting young champs like Mayweather,Pavilk and Dawson? :huh

I think its not that we are obsessed with "has been" fighters as much as the damn media keeps force feeding them to us. HBO and Showtime are the ones that keep digging these guys up. Keep in mind free network TV no longer shows boxing anymore. ABC, CBS and NBC (but NBC's fights usually sucked) use to air boxing on Saturday afternoons, that way the average Joe could actually learn about a fighter and start following his career. Unfortunately that doesn't happen anymore.

[EspadaYdaga]

Koki Kameda

[Flatlander]

for example-
Old man Bore-nard (lost twice to the very ordinary Taylor)
Mosley-Classy fella, but lost twice to Vernon Forrest of all people!!
Oscar-Years past his best
Winky-Wake me up when it's over
Jones-Utterly brilliant last century
Tarver-Garbage


......when they have exciting young champs like Mayweather,Pavilk and Dawson? :huh

It gives some old farts a little hope I guess. I find it pathetic. Even Big George's win over Moore was a little suspect.

[Chief_Second]

for example-
Old man Bore-nard (lost twice to the very ordinary Taylor)
Mosley-Classy fella, but lost twice to Vernon Forrest of all people!!
Oscar-Years past his best
Winky-Wake me up when it's over
Jones-Utterly brilliant last century
Tarver-Garbage


......when they have exciting young champs like Mayweather,Pavilk and Dawson? :huh

all of the above are great boxers still and can still perform well. i think you beed to consider following a different sport

[Jazzo]

K2Gay-I'm quite happy for posters to disagree with me but you make absolutely no sense whatsoever and quite frankly I'm tired of reading your drivel, especially as this is frequently racist. So you are the first poster I've ever added to my ignore list. This means whatever either racist or meaningless nonsense you write I shall not be able to read it!!!

Actually you can always peek at people on the ignore list. There is an option for it.

[Chief_Second]

It gives some old farts a little hope I guess. I find it pathetic. Even Big George's win over Moore was a little suspect.

moore? do you mean moorer?

if you watch the fight on youtube you'll see from the overhead replay the impact to MOORERS head.

big guys can pack heavy punches. each of foremans arms were like having 6 medicine balls strapped together so even a tap will do some damage. what would you prefer to be hit by, a speeding smart car at 30mph or a 15 ton lorry at 5mph?

[David UK]

I think its not that we are obsessed with "has been" fighters as much as the damn media keeps force feeding them to us. HBO and Showtime are the ones that keep digging these guys up. Keep in mind free network TV no longer shows boxing anymore. ABC, CBS and NBC (but NBC's fights usually sucked) use to air boxing on Saturday afternoons, that way the average Joe could actually learn about a fighter and start following his career. Unfortunately that doesn't happen anymore.

Hmmm....good point. I hadn't considered that. Do the tv execs really think boxing fans want to see the awful spectacle that was Hopkins v Wright?

[Flatlander]

moore? do you mean moorer?

if you watch the fight on youtube you'll see from the overhead replay the impact to MOORERS head.

big guys can pack heavy punches. each of foremans arms were like having 6 medicine balls strapped together so even a tap will do some damage. what would you prefer to be hit by, a speeding smart car at 30mph or a 15 ton lorry at 5mph?

Yep, dropped a "r" some place.

[pipe wrenched]

Fair enough. I acknowledge your answer, although i still find it puzzling why the Seniors Tour is more popular than the fighters at the top of their game.

With regard to UK v USA, I didn't mention a single UK fighter.:huh

No, you didn't mention a single UK fighter, but asked why AMERICAN'S are obsessed with has beens.:-(

[Beatboxer]

Bore Nard the Old Bastard

they love him despite him being a bit shite

in terms of entertainment in any case

[pipe wrenched]

Hmmm....good point. I hadn't considered that. Do the tv execs really think boxing fans want to see the awful spectacle that was Hopkins v Wright?

I'll give ya that one for sure. Don't know who or what was the thinking behind that one. It's one of the only 2007 PPV's I never even considered buying. Hopkins/Wright was god awful.