Today's Herald Sun article on Mundine

[BoppaZoo]

This an article that wis in the Herald Sun Today and was written by Jon Anderson.

GET REAL, ANTHONY

Where does Anthony "The Man" Mundine rate when comparing Australia's boxing world champions?

The answer is one of the easier sporting equations, simply because Mundine isnt a World Champion.
Is he good enough? Definitly. And even now he would rank ahead of some from this country who have held genuine world title.

But please dont fall for the line he is the WBA super middleweight champion of the world, as advertised since he beat Sam Soliman in Sydney in March and Argentine Pablo NNievas on Wednesday night on the Gold Coast.
The fact Mundine should never have been fighting Nievas, who is ranked NO. 45 in the world and has never been past six rounds, isnt my gripe.
It's purely and simply that Mundine is not the world champion.
So who is? A hard-punching Dane named Mikkel Kessler, who beat Mundine on points for the WBA super Middleweight title in Sydney in 2005.
Yep, the same title Mundine now cliams, despite the fact Kessler remains unbeaten since and has not relinquished or been stripped of the same.
In fact he has claimed the WBC version of the same title after knocking out Geman Markus Beyer last year. Cofusing isnt it?

To clear up the confusion, Mundine is not to blame. He can only fight whoever's put in front of him, even if it is a person who should not be in the same ring.
Blame the World Boxing Association, which allowed such a farce to take place. To ensure extra sanctioning fees, it has named Kessler it's Super Champion.

The belt Mundine fought for twice is the WBA "interim" world championship.
The same thing happened in 2003 when Mundine beat Antwun Echols for the same belt.
It's known as the Clayton's championship, the belt you've got when you haven't got the real world championship.
You would think that boxing has enough problems with credibilty without adding to it's woes by inventing imaginary world titles and trying to dupe the public in the process.

The theory is that a mug punter will be more likely to part with his hard earned if a world championship is at stake.
Mundine is not the only fighter holding such titles, a situation made worse by the proliferation of bodies (known as the alphabet brigade), IBA,IBF,IBC,IBO,WBA,WBC,WBO,WBU) that sanction world title fights at random.

It can be traced back to the 1960's when the WBC and WBA started holding championship fights in oppisition to each other and naming different champions.
You wonder why the respective organisations would not forgo their ego's and just have a box-off to decide each division's legitimate champion.

Sadly there is far too much money tied up in the caper for self-serving megalomaniacs to ever do what would, ultimately, be best for the sport.
Mundine is caught up in that, although in fairness his history suggests the chance to fight Kessler would be accepted with open arms.

A victory and he could then join boxers such as Jimmy Carruthers,Lionel Rose,Johnny Famechon,Rocky Mattiolli,Lester Ellis,Barry Michale, Jeff Fenech, Jeff Harding and Kostya Tszyu as fair dinkum Aussie boxing world champions.

i thought this article was very good and i enjoyed because there is hardly ever boxing news in the Sun.


What are your thoughts about it.

[CarltonBlues]

Someone must have emailed him Boppa because he's a football writer mainly. Whoever gave him the heads up is right on the money though.

On the other side of things Kessler and Calzaghe are two very good champions that make Mundine's task a lot harder than other great Aussie fighters.

[EelsRule]

All fair enough.
However, Soliman regarded himself as fighting for a world title. If he'd have won he would certainly have promoted his fights as title fights and nothing at all would have been said by journalists.
The truth is though Mundine should be held to a higher standard, because he is boxing in this country. Has the average sports fan heard of or given a sh*t about Darchinian the Armenian.

[gloveup]

Someone must have emailed him Boppa because he's a football writer mainly. Whoever gave him the heads up is right on the money though.

On the other side of things Kessler and Calzaghe are two very good champions that make Mundine's task a lot harder than other great Aussie fighters.

Yes and NO mate. Tony mundine v Monzon, Harada v Rose, Fammo v Toweel, Kelly v Jones, K.Kelly v Reid, squires v johnson, darcy vs holland. The list goes on. These guys a worthy champs and better or if not atleast the same as Kessler and Calzaghe.
Dino

[Scatter]

look out boppazoo - Oz is going to want to have your children after posting that.

catch is, you'll be the bitch. :D

[BoppaZoo]

look out boppazoo - Oz is going to want to have your children after posting that.

catch is, you'll be the bitch. :Dyeah i know OZ is going to love it.

i thought it was a pretty good article and he summed up the chit part of boxing well in the orginisations and how they take- take take but only give back here and there with great fights.

for me though he is spot on how Fenech,Carruthers,Rose these blokes won the title as in the best Champ there is in the division.

Sorry to the Mundine fans but hey if he fights these guys and doesnt put them away he deserves this kind of shit to come his way.

[shanemfr]

Only wrong part of tyhe article is saying it's the WBA putting these guys in front of Mundine to fight, thats crap it was obvious with this Nievas and Nishi they were both unranked until Khoder meets up with the WBA then suddenly they are put in the top 15 around or a bit after Mundine announces the fight.

[oztriker]

This an article that wis in the Herald Sun Today and was written by Jon Anderson.

GET REAL, ANTHONY

Where does Anthony "The Man" Mundine rate when comparing Australia's boxing world champions?

The answer is one of the easier sporting equations, simply because Mundine isnt a World Champion.
Is he good enough? Definitly. And even now he would rank ahead of some from this country who have held genuine world title.

But please dont fall for the line he is the WBA super middleweight champion of the world, as advertised since he beat Sam Soliman in Sydney in March and Argentine Pablo NNievas on Wednesday night on the Gold Coast.
The fact Mundine should never have been fighting Nievas, who is ranked NO. 45 in the world and has never been past six rounds, isnt my gripe.
It's purely and simply that Mundine is not the world champion.
So who is? A hard-punching Dane named Mikkel Kessler, who beat Mundine on points for the WBA super Middleweight title in Sydney in 2005.
Yep, the same title Mundine now cliams, despite the fact Kessler remains unbeaten since and has not relinquished or been stripped of the same.
In fact he has claimed the WBC version of the same title after knocking out Geman Markus Beyer last year. Cofusing isnt it?

To clear up the confusion, Mundine is not to blame. He can only fight whoever's put in front of him, even if it is a person who should not be in the same ring.
Blame the World Boxing Association, which allowed such a farce to take place. To ensure extra sanctioning fees, it has named Kessler it's Super Champion.

The belt Mundine fought for twice is the WBA "interim" :patsch world championship.
The same thing happened in 2003 when Mundine beat Antwun Echols for the same belt.
It's known as the Clayton's championship, the belt you've got when you haven't got the real world championship.
You would think that boxing has enough problems with credibilty without adding to it's woes by inventing imaginary world titles and trying to dupe the public in the process.

The theory is that a mug punter will be more likely to part with his hard earned if a world championship is at stake.
Mundine is not the only fighter holding such titles, a situation made worse by the proliferation of bodies (known as the alphabet brigade), IBA,IBF,IBC,IBO,WBA,WBC,WBO,WBU) that sanction world title fights at random.

It can be traced back to the 1960's when the WBC and WBA started holding championship fights in oppisition to each other and naming different champions.
You wonder why the respective organisations would not forgo their ego's and just have a box-off to decide each division's legitimate champion.

Sadly there is far too much money tied up in the caper for self-serving megalomaniacs to ever do what would, ultimately, be best for the sport.
Mundine is caught up in that, although in fairness his history suggests the chance to fight Kessler would be accepted with open arms.

A victory and he could then join boxers such as Jimmy Carruthers,Lionel Rose,Johnny Famechon,Rocky Mattiolli,Lester Ellis,Barry Michale, Jeff Fenech, Jeff Harding and Kostya Tszyu as fair dinkum Aussie boxing world champions.

i thought this article was very good and i enjoyed because there is hardly ever boxing news in the Sun.


What are your thoughts about it.

I think someone from ESB sent him an email......... We were the ones to lable Mundine's Title a "Clayton's" World Title..... The world title you have when you don't really have a world title.

Also......someone has fed him "brumby" information.

An Interim World Title is usually a title fought for while the World Champion is out of action.....usually through injury.

The WBA recognises it's secondary title as a "Regular" World Title.:good

But so saying......it's cool that more and more people are becoming aware that Mundine ain't no world champion...........leastwise.....not yet.:hey

[oztriker]

look out boppazoo - Oz is going to want to have your children after posting that.

catch is, you'll be the bitch. :D

Nah...... I intend to keep this relat:patsch ....friendship purely platonic.:D

BTW Scatter.......Most of you guys seem to have missed the fact that I have altered my opinion of Mundine to the point that I accept that he has a lot of natural talent.......just not as much as he thinks he has.

I am prepared to be proved wrong, but that can't happen till the fucker gets out of his comfort zone.:twisted:

[oztriker]

Only wrong part of tyhe article is saying it's the WBA putting these guys in front of Mundine to fight, thats crap it was obvious with this Nievas and Nishi they were both unranked until Khoder meets up with the WBA then suddenly they are put in the top 15 around or a bit after Mundine announces the fight.

EXACTLY! :good

[Dekkers]

I was going to make a sugestion but it looks like the culprit already confessed :deal

[ashley]

Must be a few of these paper champs going round at the moment...maybe that should be fixed...make Mundine and others step up and put more value on the real title.

[tills9191]

Cant believe fkn newcastle lost!! what a joke, ...they let souths score 2 early tries in the first half and 2 tries midway thru the 2nd half to let them in the game.. sht cnts!

[teke]

Nah...... I intend to keep this relat:patsch ....friendship purely platonic.:D

BTW Scatter.......Most of you guys seem to have missed the fact that I have altered my opinion of Mundine to the point that I accept that he has a lot of natural talent.......just not as much as he thinks he has.

I am prepared to be proved wrong, but that can't happen till the fucker gets out of his comfort zone.:twisted:I have never missed that Fact Oz, hell it's the only thing i see when i read your long rants.

You will be proven wrong AGAIN :deal

[oztriker]

I have never missed that Fact Oz, hell it's the only thing i see when i read your long rants.

You hang on my every word.......with one hand on your dick and a copy of "The Land" in the other.:D



:huh (Was that tooooo subtle?)

[oztriker]

What Anderson says is fair enough, its fact mundine 'only has the regular belt but there also is another way of looking at it.Our legitimate 'World' Champs who cannot be disputed are Carruthers,Rose,Famechon,Tszyu.Fenech only ever held alphabet versions but for me he was definetly pound for pound the best at his weights in his prime, personally I rank him second behind Tszyu.Then you have Jeff Harding who won and even regained the WBC light heavyweight title and he beat a legitmate title holder in Andries both times,yes Andries was old but still a warrior and he defended against ranked guys.Darchnian beat a bona fide champ to win his belt.I am a huge fan of Lester Ellis and Barry Michael,I regularly watch their old fights on dvd but is it fair for Anderson to write that Mundine needs to beat a Kessler to be ranked alongside these two?Michael was a warrior, never floored in his whole career and apparently 'earthquake' carter was a huge talent when Barry beat him but as far as their opponents they dethroned to win there IBF title's, I dont believe it should rate them ahead of Anthony Mundine or even Danny Green's 'interim' title he held.The IBF was new and virtually handing out belts so to speak,yes coz of political bullshit Larry Homes was their flagship champion but as far as Ellis and Michael go,well Lester beat a guy named Hwan Kil Yuh who was no legitmate World Champ and then defended against a filipino virtual unknown and nearly got ko'd and then lost to Barry Michael.Should this rate these two above Anthony Mundine who beat a legitimate top contender at the time in Echols and again a legitimate top contender in Soliman to regain the same belt and his win over Green,I think not.Mundine beat better guys than Lester and Barry did.Also although it's now a blotch on his record at the time his effort v ottke was an an incredible one for a guy with nine or ten pro fights!Ellis and Michael deserve to be rated higher than Mundine just coz their belt had IBF plastered on it?I dont think so,u need to judge the fighters by who they beat.If u really want to be fair dinkum!

:patsch FFS! Have you ever heard of paragraphs?

How about his effort against that Champion of Champions....... MANNY SIACA? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[THN]

Yes! judge them on the fighters they beat "Nievas" the great # 47 of the world.

[pecks]

Cant believe fkn newcastle lost!! what a joke, ...they let souths score 2 early tries in the first half and 2 tries midway thru the 2nd half to let them in the game.. sht cnts!They put in a champion effort for as long as they could, but this was a race they couldn't win.

How good was Issac Luke?
I watched him last week (I think it was his debut) and he was pretty good, and this week he's stepped up from that.

[kel]

:patsch FFS! Have you ever heard of paragraphs?

How about his effort against that Champion of Champions....... MANNY SIACA? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I thought he made some good points.

Just cos he doesn't use paragraphs only diverts a reasonable response from yourself on the facts.

[oztriker]

I thought he made some good points.

Just cos he doesn't use paragraphs only diverts a reasonable response from yourself on the facts.

:patsch FFS....... It's not rocket science........ It's not that fucking hard. All it does is re-enforce my argument that by far, the majority of nuthuggers are not all that bright......... probably on a ratio of 3 to 1........ that would be 3 "dumbarses" to 1 semi-normal human.

I can't be bothered reading that dribble again...... you tell me the good points so that I can shoot you down in flames.:roll:

Give it your best shot and afterwards, I'll give you a rating out of 10 on the Dumbarse Scale. :deal

[tills9191]

They put in a champion effort for as long as they could, but this was a race they couldn't win.

How good was Issac Luke?
I watched him last week (I think it was his debut) and he was pretty good, and this week he's stepped up from that.

you knows who i think is a good talent, Luke Walsh, the no7 for newcastle, this guy looks awesome.

[oztriker]

you knows who i think is a good talent, Luke Walsh, the no7 for newcastle, this guy looks awesome.

This is the kid that Brian Smith was raving about.....right?:huh

[kel]

:patsch FFS....... It's not rocket science........ It's not that fucking hard. All it does is re-enforce my argument that by far, the majority of nuthuggers are not all that bright......... probably on a ratio of 3 to 1........ that would be 3 "dumbarses" to 1 semi-normal human.

I can't be bothered reading that dribble again...... you tell me the good points so that I can shoot you down in flames.:roll:

Give it your best shot and afterwards, I'll give you a rating out of 10 on the Dumbarse Scale. :deal


I am a huge fan of Lester Ellis and Barry Michael,I regularly watch their old fights on dvd but is it fair for Anderson to write that Mundine needs to beat a Kessler to be ranked alongside these two?Michael was a warrior, never floored in his whole career and apparently 'earthquake' carter was a huge talent when Barry beat him but as far as their opponents they dethroned to win there IBF title's, I dont believe it should rate them ahead of Anthony Mundine or even Danny Green's 'interim' title he held.The IBF was new and virtually handing out belts so to speak,yes coz of political bullshit Larry Homes was their flagship champion but as far as Ellis and Michael go,well Lester beat a guy named Hwan Kil Yuh who was no legitmate World Champ and then defended against a filipino virtual unknown and nearly got ko'd and then lost to Barry Michael.Should this rate these two above Anthony Mundine who beat a legitimate top contender at the time in Echols and again a legitimate top contender in Soliman to regain the same belt and his win over Green,I think not.Mundine beat better guys than Lester and Barry did.



I thought this was a strong point...................ur thoughts "O Mighty One" :hey

[pecks]

you knows who i think is a good talent, Luke Walsh, the no7 for newcastle, this guy looks awesome.The jury's still out on him for mine, but he looks capable at least.
Him and Mullen formed a halves combo throughout their jnr years, and Smith plans on using them the same with the Knights.

Back to the game, it was a gritty performance by Souths, and one that I thought had got away from them. The officials were pretty poor as well.

Regarding Souths...The dream is still alive. :deal

[pecks]

I am a huge fan of Lester Ellis and Barry Michael,I regularly watch their old fights on dvd but is it fair for Anderson to write that Mundine needs to beat a Kessler to be ranked alongside these two?Michael was a warrior, never floored in his whole career and apparently 'earthquake' carter was a huge talent when Barry beat him but as far as their opponents they dethroned to win there IBF title's, I dont believe it should rate them ahead of Anthony Mundine or even Danny Green's 'interim' title he held.The IBF was new and virtually handing out belts so to speak,yes coz of political bullshit Larry Homes was their flagship champion but as far as Ellis and Michael go,well Lester beat a guy named Hwan Kil Yuh who was no legitmate World Champ and then defended against a filipino virtual unknown and nearly got ko'd and then lost to Barry Michael.Should this rate these two above Anthony Mundine who beat a legitimate top contender at the time in Echols and again a legitimate top contender in Soliman to regain the same belt and his win over Green,I think not.Mundine beat better guys than Lester and Barry did.



I thought this was a strong point...................ur thoughts "O Mighty One" :heyOh Kel, you're a gluten for punishment, you. :nono
I feel sorry for Oz's 104 year old eyes. :yep

[teke]

The jury's still out on him for mine, but he looks capable at least.
Him and Mullen formed a halves combo throughout their jnr years, and Smith plans on using them the same with the Knights.

Back to the game, it was a gritty performance by Souths, and one that I thought had got away from them. The officials were pretty poor as well.

Regarding Souths...The dream is still alive. :dealSpeaking of Dreams, someone just posted a thread about the Rugby World Dream Team :yep

[oztriker]

I am a huge fan of Lester Ellis and Barry Michael,I regularly watch their old fights on dvd but is it fair for Anderson to write that Mundine needs to beat a Kessler to be ranked alongside these two?Michael was a warrior, never floored in his whole career and apparently 'earthquake' carter was a huge talent when Barry beat him but as far as their opponents they dethroned to win there IBF title's, I dont believe it should rate them ahead of Anthony Mundine or even Danny Green's 'interim' title he held.The IBF was new and virtually handing out belts so to speak,yes coz of political bullshit Larry Homes was their flagship champion but as far as Ellis and Michael go,well Lester beat a guy named Hwan Kil Yuh who was no legitmate World Champ and then defended against a filipino virtual unknown and nearly got ko'd and then lost to Barry Michael.Should this rate these two above Anthony Mundine who beat a legitimate top contender at the time in Echols and again a legitimate top contender in Soliman to regain the same belt and his win over Green,I think not.Mundine beat better guys than Lester and Barry did.



I thought this was a strong point...................ur thoughts "O Mighty One" :hey

You got that right.

I have absolutely no intention of attempting to read your dribble until you paragraph/edit this post.

FFS......... a 7 year old could do it. :yep

Call your Mum or something, but I'm not going to give myself a headache "O Lowly Retard":hey

[oztriker]

Oh Kel, you're a gluten for punishment, you. :nono
I feel sorry for Oz's 104 year old eyes. :yep

You have a brain Pecks....... Would you please decipher this dribble or would it just be easier to hit the ignore button?

Is this guy just simply uneducated or fucking bone lazy. :patsch

On second thoughts........ I am doing my level best not to talk to complete simpletons........so don't bother.

If I get totally bored out of my brain, I'll call my daughter in to decipher his ramblings.

[teke]

Oz you come across as a very mean person, please show your true side :thumbsup

[pecks]

You have a brain Pecks....... Would you please decipher this dribble or would it just be easier to hit the ignore button?

Is this guy just simply uneducated or fucking bone lazy. :patsch

On second thoughts........ I am doing my level best not to talk to complete simpletons........so don't bother.

If I get totally bored out of my brain, I'll call my daughter in to decipher his ramblings.I didn't read it either, but I'm thinking you might be showing kel a bit of mercy in the future, as kel might turn out to be a female. :yep
You're a hard man Oz, but the pinkys are your achillies heel. :yep

[oztriker]

I didn't read it either, but I'm thinking you might be showing kel a bit of mercy in the future, as kel might turn out to be a female. :yep
You're a hard man Oz, but the pinkys are your achillies heel. :yep

OH FUCK ME DEAD....... I'm picking on a girl again.:patsch

I can feel another "PUBLIC APOLOGY TO KEL" thread in the offing.

DAMMIT!:twisted:

[oztriker]

I didn't read it either, but I'm thinking you might be showing kel a bit of mercy in the future, as kel might turn out to be a female. :yep
You're a hard man Oz, but the pinkys are your achillies heel. :yep

Speaking of girls....... I am sending one of my "special" shirts to your sister.:yep

I may even hand deliver it.......... coz that's the kind of generous, soft touch, guy I am.:hey

[kel]

You got that right.

I have absolutely no intention of attempting to read your dribble until you paragraph/edit this post.

FFS......... a 7 year old could do it. :yep

Call your Mum or something, but I'm not going to give myself a headache "O Lowly Retard":hey

What r u talking about? I'm referring to the original post from another member, why would i edit there post for an arrogant prick like you :-(

Your response to my reply was to name a stromg point which i did. Does it really matter that paragraghs etc are not used??

I'm still waiting for a sensible reply to that strong point, not some rant about 7yr olds doing it. It's clear to me you have problems dealing with other members of society when your opinion is not followed.

I'll check back in a few days for a educated response......Then again you might be busy ringing radio stations to warrant giving someone so insignificant like me a reply.

[oztriker]

What r u talking about? I'm referring to the original post from another member, why would i edit there :patsch ("THEIR."..... fucking "THEIR"....... denotes "ownership".......It's not that fucking hard.........Jesus Wept........ dumbarse bitch)post for an arrogant prick like you :-(

Your response to my reply was to name a stromg point which i did. Does it really matter that paragraghs etc are not used?? :yep Yep......It sure does........ Well maybe.......... if I knew WTF a "paragragh" is.:huh

I'm still waiting for a sensible reply to that strong point, not some rant about 7yr olds doing it. It's clear to me you have problems dealing with other members of society when your opinion is not followed. Ok.......Be honest. Your kid brother wrote this.......right?

I'll check back in a few days for a educated response :patsch ......Why? You wouldn't understand it anyway.
Then again you might be busy ringing radio stations to warrant giving someone so insignificant like me a reply.You got that right. :yep :yep :yep BTW....... If you are going to keep up the pretence of being a clever little girlie, it should be "as insignificant as me". No........Don't thank me. I'm here to help.

See, you can use paragraphs. It wasn't that hard now was it.

Paragraphs........linebreaks........Anything is better than one long diatribe of merged words.

Like I said previously, I didn't read the "dumbarse's" post and when you replied in kind, I didn't bother reading your post either.:roll:

I am not the only one who feels that way.......which you might have gathered from The Peckerman's reply.

BTW......... I seriously doubt that you are a girl, because girls are meant to have a left hemisphere dominant brain, and as the left hemisphere is responsible for language skills, it seems most unlikely. Your language skills are not up to scratch boyo.:-(

Though...... Pecks did get one thing right.......... You should definitely be wearing a skirt.:hi:

PS: "a educated response" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Do you see the irony?

Keep it up Kel......... you are killing me here.:rofl :rofl :rofl

[EelsRule]

Oz is the Hells Angels spelling B champ...
I say "go the NSW Police Force".

[oztriker]

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It must really piss the little fucker off, that I don't give a fuck what he writes coz I can't see it. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

BTW......... Anyone who quotes the little retard.........Straight onto the "Ignore "List. :yep

Poor EelsRule........ He has this Man-love thing for Mundine that makes him question his own sexuality.

We don't question it little fella....... We know what side of the fence you're on.

[EelsRule]

Can someone tell him I am talking about him not to him.

[teke]

Can someone tell him I am talking about him not to him.k

[oztriker]

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