JMM not only avoided PAC..He avoided EM too!!!!

[chimba]

The much anticipated victory over Rocky Juarez has not totally erased the biggest blunder of the career of Juan Manuel Marquez. And the only thing that can pull him through from the dreaded nightmare is to fight Manny Pacquiao again for perhaps the biggest payday of his life.

In 2005, Marquez was stripped of his IBF title, when he failed to defend his crown against Phafrakorb Rakkietgym of Thailand. The fight was already scheduled when it was subjected to purse bid by the International Boxing Federation. It drew no takers and it cost “Dinamita” his title.

Also during that time, Marquez had a misunderstanding with Top Rank regarding the quality of bouts he had. Bob Arum offered him 1.4 million dollars to fight Erik Morales but he asked for more money and the fight never materialized.

In one of the most bizarre fiscal judgments ever made in professional boxing, Marquez discarded the $750,000 offer for a rematch with Pacquiao. Instead, he took his stuff to Indonesia to challenge WBA featherweight champion but unknown local boxer Chris John, for a meager $31,500, and lost a shocking unanimous decision. The disputed decision led to the Ring Magazine's deletion of Marquez from its pound-for-pound top 10 list.

That was a great tactical blunder for the Mexican who is known for overpricing his services, losing his featherweight title which would complicate further the humiliation.

Today, Pacquiao is a global celebrity and in terms of compensation, Marquez can expect to receive considerably more than the offer for a rematch with The Pacman three years ago. The pay-per-view income will be bigger and better than the previous encounter.

Moments after being officially announced as the winner in the WBC super featherweight title bout with the spirited Juarez, Marquez shouted to the whole world, “I want Manny Pacquiao!”

At 34, like Barrera and Morales, Marquez has reached the pinnacle of his skills, and has showed modest deterioration of his boxing dexterity during the Juarez bout. For Marquez, there’s no tomorrow for the mega-buck fight with the enigmatic Pacquiao. Time is running out for him and he cannot afford to commit the same error.

Pacquiao is not a world champion but everyone considers him as one of the two best pound for pound fighters in the world. If Marquez would not demand an amount equal to or bigger than Pacquiao’s pay, he is heading for the biggest paycheck of his career and he is out to correct the greatest blunder he had in his lifetime.

[jimmy1991]

y dont u call up marques an tell him that

[WhataRock]

I dont fully blame JMM for that, his manager is horrible. He forgot the main purpose of the manager is to manage a fighters career not fuck him over.

[chimba]

y dont u call up marques an tell him that

dont know his phone number.. do u?

[boxbox]

JMM better get rid of his managers soon or he wont be closing any lucrative contracts and retire with the money he deserves.

[compukiller]

dont know his phone number.. do u?

JMM just announced today he would fight Pac at 130, or dump his title and go to 135.


If he wanted to avoid Pac, chasing him up a division (after he has only been at 130 for 2 fights) is not the way to do it. :good

[boxbox]

JMM just announced today he would fight Pac at 130, or dump his title and go to 135.


If he wanted to avoid Pac, chasing him up a division (after he has only been at 130 for 2 fights) is not the way to do it. :good

yeah , he'd get beaten up there the more:bbb

[PH|LLA]

MAB, Morales, PAC, JMM.

These guys all fight whoever their managers tell them to. They are scared of noone

[chimba]

JMM just announced today he would fight Pac at 130, or dump his title and go to 135.


If he wanted to avoid Pac, chasing him up a division (after he has only been at 130 for 2 fights) is not the way to do it. :good

right now JMM is netting less than 100k after expenses..putting himself in danger stepping into that ring.

Now his camp wanting to make up for all the blunders..realizes that JMM is 34 years old.

At this point hed fight PAC bareknuckle in a dark alley somewhere to make a couple of millions

This is about getting paid

[IntentionalButt]

Risk/reward factor is much scarier for EM than JMM in that matchup.

[chimba]

MAB, Morales, PAC, JMM.

These guys all fight whoever their managers tell them to. They are scared of noone

Whats your point?

then their managers the ones afraid?

Too much risk for the money?

Its either one of two things...Either theyre dumb or afraid..which is it?

[Morrissey]

The much anticipated victory over Rocky Juarez has not totally erased the biggest blunder of the career of Juan Manuel Marquez. And the only thing that can pull him through from the dreaded nightmare is to fight Manny Pacquiao again for perhaps the biggest payday of his life.

In 2005, Marquez was stripped of his IBF title, when he failed to defend his crown against Phafrakorb Rakkietgym of Thailand. The fight was already scheduled when it was subjected to purse bid by the International Boxing Federation. It drew no takers and it cost “Dinamita” his title.

Also during that time, Marquez had a misunderstanding with Top Rank regarding the quality of bouts he had. Bob Arum offered him 1.4 million dollars to fight Erik Morales but he asked for more money and the fight never materialized.

In one of the most bizarre fiscal judgments ever made in professional boxing, Marquez discarded the $750,000 offer for a rematch with Pacquiao. Instead, he took his stuff to Indonesia to challenge WBA featherweight champion but unknown local boxer Chris John, for a meager $31,500, and lost a shocking unanimous decision. The disputed decision led to the Ring Magazine's deletion of Marquez from its pound-for-pound top 10 list.

That was a great tactical blunder for the Mexican who is known for overpricing his services, losing his featherweight title which would complicate further the humiliation.

Today, Pacquiao is a global celebrity and in terms of compensation, Marquez can expect to receive considerably more than the offer for a rematch with The Pacman three years ago. The pay-per-view income will be bigger and better than the previous encounter.

Moments after being officially announced as the winner in the WBC super featherweight title bout with the spirited Juarez, Marquez shouted to the whole world, “I want Manny Pacquiao!”

At 34, like Barrera and Morales, Marquez has reached the pinnacle of his skills, and has showed modest deterioration of his boxing dexterity during the Juarez bout. For Marquez, there’s no tomorrow for the mega-buck fight with the enigmatic Pacquiao. Time is running out for him and he cannot afford to commit the same error.

Pacquiao is not a world champion but everyone considers him as one of the two best pound for pound fighters in the world. If Marquez would not demand an amount equal to or bigger than Pacquiao’s pay, he is heading for the biggest paycheck of his career and he is out to correct the greatest blunder he had in his lifetime.

Link?:D

[PH|LLA]

Whats your point?

then their managers the ones afraid?

Too much risk for the money?

Its either one of two things...Either theyre dumb or afraid..which is it?
:lol: you're right on this one

I think the problem with Marquez was that he was never impressive enough against the B opposition to get the purses he felt he deserved against the A opposition.

[Silvermags]

Whats your point?

then their managers the ones afraid?

Too much risk for the money?

Its either one of two things...Either theyre dumb or afraid..which is it?

60% dumb 40%:hey afraid

[chimba]

Link?:D

why? you think Id type this??

[Morrissey]

:lol: you're right on this one

I think the problem with Marquez was that he was never impressive enough against the B opposition to get the purses he felt he deserved against the A opposition.

The problem with him actually is he has no charisma, unlike MAB and EM...

Skillswise, he ranks there with the best, but in terms of gaining the imagination of boxing fans, he is lagging behind.

[PATSYS]

The much anticipated victory over Rocky Juarez has not totally erased the biggest blunder of the career of Juan Manuel Marquez. And the only thing that can pull him through from the dreaded nightmare is to fight Manny Pacquiao again for perhaps the biggest payday of his life.

In 2005, Marquez was stripped of his IBF title, when he failed to defend his crown against Phafrakorb Rakkietgym of Thailand. The fight was already scheduled when it was subjected to purse bid by the International Boxing Federation. It drew no takers and it cost “Dinamita” his title.

Also during that time, Marquez had a misunderstanding with Top Rank regarding the quality of bouts he had. Bob Arum offered him 1.4 million dollars to fight Erik Morales but he asked for more money and the fight never materialized.

In one of the most bizarre fiscal judgments ever made in professional boxing, Marquez discarded the $750,000 offer for a rematch with Pacquiao. Instead, he took his stuff to Indonesia to challenge WBA featherweight champion but unknown local boxer Chris John, for a meager $31,500, and lost a shocking unanimous decision. The disputed decision led to the Ring Magazine's deletion of Marquez from its pound-for-pound top 10 list.

That was a great tactical blunder for the Mexican who is known for overpricing his services, losing his featherweight title which would complicate further the humiliation.

Today, Pacquiao is a global celebrity and in terms of compensation, Marquez can expect to receive considerably more than the offer for a rematch with The Pacman three years ago. The pay-per-view income will be bigger and better than the previous encounter.

Moments after being officially announced as the winner in the WBC super featherweight title bout with the spirited Juarez, Marquez shouted to the whole world, “I want Manny Pacquiao!”

At 34, like Barrera and Morales, Marquez has reached the pinnacle of his skills, and has showed modest deterioration of his boxing dexterity during the Juarez bout. For Marquez, there’s no tomorrow for the mega-buck fight with the enigmatic Pacquiao. Time is running out for him and he cannot afford to commit the same error.

Pacquiao is not a world champion but everyone considers him as one of the two best pound for pound fighters in the world. If Marquez would not demand an amount equal to or bigger than Pacquiao’s pay, he is heading for the biggest paycheck of his career and he is out to correct the greatest blunder he had in his lifetime.

Nobody could ever understand why Marquez turned down a $750K purse fight with Pac.

Or does anyone here?

[Morrissey]

why? you think Id type this??

If you type it, you are a great writer...

Just curious to see so we can see how credible it is..:good

[PH|LLA]

Nobody could ever understand why Marquez turned down a $750K purse fight with Pac.

Or does anyone here?
someone else said that he turned it down as part of regular negiotiations, and that while they were still negotiating Pac was offered a bigger fight against Morales and took it.

Its like saying you won't pay 20k for a car hoping the guy will lower his price, but you know damn well that if he doesn't lower it you will come back the next day and pay 20k, but then when you come back, someone else bought it for 25k

[chimba]

someone else said that he turned it down as part of regular negiotiations, and that while they were still negotiating Pac was offered a bigger fight against Morales and took it.

Its like saying you won't pay 20k for a car hoping the guy will lower his price, but you know damn well that if he doesn't lower it you will come back the next day and pay 20k, but then when you come back, someone else bought it for 25k

According to this article the Erik fight was offered to JMM first.

Pac wasnt JMMs only choice..Shoot for 1.4Million..I would have jumped at the Erik offer...

PAC did...

Now in hindsight it has to be true because PAC / EM 1 just happened..all of a sudden there was a fight

I dont know about you but at the time when I heard it

I was damn PACs crazy..MAB, JMM,then EM..

Now that I think about it PAC ducks no one.

I mean even when he lost to EM...He wanted that rematch rightaway

Boy how quickly we forget:-(

Now PAc is ducking JMM

[DobyZhee]

we need Divac's explanation on this one

[doknochrisan]

someone else said that he turned it down as part of regular negiotiations, and that while they were still negotiating Pac was offered a bigger fight against Morales and took it.

Its like saying you won't pay 20k for a car hoping the guy will lower his price, but you know damn well that if he doesn't lower it you will come back the next day and pay 20k, but then when you come back, someone else bought it for 25k

and its going to happen again......

[4Rounder]

The offer to JMM was made with a 3 weeks notice before the fight. Unprepared and going against a war loving Morales at that time is stretching the risks a bit far, so you can sort of give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Besides, who the fuck believes Arum????:patsch

The notorious promotor with the world famous quote of "Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth". :nut

This guy is up there with Gary Shaw in messing with his fighters.

[Chert]

The offer to JMM was made with a 3 weeks notice before the fight. Unprepared and going against a war loving Morales at that time is stretching the risks a bit far, so you can sort of give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Besides, who the fuck believes Arum????:patsch

The notorious promotor with the world famous quote of "Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth". :nut

This guy is up there with Gary Shaw in messing with his fighters.

i remeber pac taking the ledwaba fight as a very late replacement on 2-3 weeks notice. same with the first barrera fight, this time with about a month's notice.

[Jbuz]

y dont u call up marques an tell him that

I just tried, but he is avoiding me.

[Chert]

I just tried, but he is avoiding me.
:D :yep :good

[4Rounder]

i remeber pac taking the ledwaba fight as a very late replacement on 2-3 weeks notice. same with the first barrera fight, this time with about a month's notice.

Yes thats probably true, but what if Marquez was not in shape, it would be suicide.

[Bangis]

MAB, Morales, PAC, JMM.

These guys all fight whoever their managers tell them to. They are scared of noone


Thank God there are still sensible posters in ESB:rasta

[Silvermags]

At least I went to high school.. :rofl Btw I did Calculus in my junior year in HS buddy.. :hey

So lets put your calculus in practice. Lets make it easier.
First question for yor

which is greater?:hey
31 or 750?

next question?

which is greater:hey

31,505usd or 750,000usd

Now, for once BLACK, be logical! The more you say things the more you look stupid defending that is was a right choice to choose 30K over 750k.

It's your choice Mr Mathematician :rofl ! Or you could simply redeem yourself and say, YEAH! It was a bad decision after all! But if you think it was a GREAT decision to make 31K instead of 750k! So be it! Can't agrue to somebody who does not have logic! :hey

Next time you are offered a job! 31k/yr vs 750k per year. THE WAY YOU THINK! It's quit obvious! :yep

You can play dumb, act dumb, pretend dumb or maybe you are really dumb? You always have a choice! Sorry for the choice of words but I can't think of finer words to describe yr SUPPORT that it was a good idea to earn 31k instead of 750k!:hi:

[BxN]

JMM better get rid of his managers soon or he wont be closing any lucrative contracts and retire with the money he deserves.

His manager also happens to be his trainer, who is one of the best (if not THE best) in the game.

[Silvermags]

His manager also happens to be his trainer, who is one of the best (if not THE best) in the game.

If he is the best as you claim I don't want to argue about it! too bad! the business decision does not seem to show he is the best. GETTING 31K purse vs 750Kpurse. Wise decision!? best manager simply does not jive!

If you still think he is the best manager so be it! No point in arguing trivial money matters which you and I would not get a single dollar:yep

[Chert]

nacho is definitely a great trainer but he's definitely not the same as a manager. he should abdicate that role to somebody else like maybe shelly finkel.

[BxN]

If he is the best as you claim I don't want to argue about it! too bad! the business decision does not seem to show he is the best. GETTING 31K purse vs 750Kpurse. Wise decision!? best manager simply does not jive!

If you still think he is the best manager so be it! No point in arguing trivial money matters which you and I would not get a single dollar:yep

Best trainer, not manager.

[psychopath]

JMM not only avoided PAC..He avoided EM too!!!!

I have already mentioned this over and over and over and over in here. :yep

Now he is desperate to taste a big money fight.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

:good :happy

[psychopath]

nacho is definitely a great trainer but he's definitely not the same as a manager. he should abdicate that role to somebody else like maybe shelly finkel.

Too late. :yep

[chimba]

Best trainer, not manager.

who has Nacho trained..Just curious

[punchdynamo]

It is interesting that EM, MAB and PAC have gone through countless fights with each other (MAB-EM, trilogy), (PAC-EM, triology) (PAC-MAB, twice). And yet JMM fought MAB once, PAC once and EM never happened.

I would've liked to see a EM-JMM fight. It's too bad.

[etong_08]

We'll know who PACMAN would fight next after the Sotto-Guzman fight. Whoever wins, Marquez will still be on his options though. ;)

[IsaL]

We'll know who PACMAN would fight next after the Sotto-Guzman fight. Whoever wins, Marquez will still be on his options though. ;)

If Pac doesn't fight JMM then he's a chicken.

[divac]

So lets put your calculus in practice. Lets make it easier.
First question for yor

which is greater?:hey
31 or 750?

next question?

which is greater:hey

31,505usd or 750,000usd

Now, for once BLACK, be logical! The more you say things the more you look stupid defending that is was a right choice to choose 30K over 750k.

It's your choice Mr Mathematician :rofl ! Or you could simply redeem yourself and say, YEAH! It was a bad decision after all! But if you think it was a GREAT decision to make 31K instead of 750k! So be it! Can't agrue to somebody who does not have logic! :hey

Next time you are offered a job! 31k/yr vs 750k per year. THE WAY YOU THINK! It's quit obvious! :yep

You can play dumb, act dumb, pretend dumb or maybe you are really dumb? You always have a choice! Sorry for the choice of words but I can't think of finer words to describe yr SUPPORT that it was a good idea to earn 31k instead of 750k!:hi:


You need to get educated friend.....

....for a little education, here a post that I will paste from another thread.

Read and educate yourself!:deal :yep



This is where it goes wrong in this debate about whether Marquez wanted or did'nt want the Pac rematch right after......

.....those of you making an argument that Marquez did'nt want to fight pac, bring up the John fight.
The John fight!:lol: The John fight has nothing to do with Marquez truning down 750k......The John fight for Marquez actually took place a year after Morales had faced and beaten Pacquiao, what does one fight have to do with the other.
The JMM detractors point to Marquez chosing to fight John instead of Pac, he took 30k instead of 750k......that just is'nt the truth.
In fact, Morales had already beaten Pac in March of 2005 when JMM took on Victor Polo on the JL Castillo-Diego Corrales undercard.
Why dont people point to Marquez taking on Victory Polo for X amount of money and ducking Manny Pac????

The John fight came well after, in fact a year after Morales boxed the pants off of Manny Pac.


The John fight was a fight that JMM because I believe JMM had for political reason only the WBA knows, had stripped JMM of his WBA title.

The WBA ordered a JMM-John fight take place.
Arum did'nt want to promote that particular fight because it would have released JMM out of his contract with Arum because JMM was only obligated to Arum for only one fight.
When Arum refused to promote it, it went up for purse bids to the highest bidder.
The highest bidder turned out to be Chris Johns promoter, in fact he was the only bidder......
At that point, JMM could have either done two things.....go to Indonesia to fight for the title, or go home and wait until Bob Arum decided that he wanted Marquez on one of his cards in a non-title fight.

Team Marquez wanted out of Bob Arums claws as soon as possible.

Essentially the fight was taken by Marquez because it was the only way to have released himself from the claws of Bob Arum.
Since it was a WBA order for the fight to take place for the championship, my guess is that that order by the WBA would have released JMM from under Bob Arum whether Arum wanted to promote the fight or not.

If JMM does'nt take the John fight, God knows how much more time would have elapsed before Marquez could legally get a fight and at the same time rid himself from being under the promotion of Top Rank and Bob Arum.

I dont know the exact details of the whole situation, but I'm under the impression that team Marquez knew the risk of going to indonesia, but were willing to go through with it if it released JMM from Arum.....which it did.


In any regards, inexplicably the John and pac fights are mentioned in threads like these as if one fight has something to do with the other......and the facts are that one fight has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
The John fight was made well after Negotiations had broken down and the Erik Morales-Pac fight was made instead.
Well after that one fight has nothing to do with the other.





:hi:

[psychopath]

If Pac doesn't fight JMM then he's a chicken.


Yup . . . a very rich chicken who's willing to fight the more dangerous bigger guys. :yep :good

Because of the Pac HATERS repeated desperate stupid insinuations . . . I'll be happy to call Pac a chicken . . . and see JMM retire without getting the big money fight from Pac.

Go Pac . . . go gor Diaz!

:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

:hi:

:rofl :D :lol:

[4Rounder]

Yup . . . a very rich chicken who's willing to fight the more dangerous bigger guys. :yep :good

Because of the Pac HATERS repeated desperate stupid insinuations . . . I'll be happy to call Pac a chicken . . . and see JMM retire without getting the big money fight from Pac.

Go Pac . . . go gor Diaz!

:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

:hi:

:rofl :D :lol:

Only to get knocked back down to 130.:lol::lol::lol:

[etong_08]

If Pac doesn't fight JMM then he's a chicken.

LOL

There could have been a rematch for these two fighters if JMM's side only agreed on that purse bid. :huh

[IsaL]

LOL

There could have been a rematch for these two fighters if JMM's side only agreed on that purse bid. :huh

You obviously haven't read and learned anything from me and Divac have you. Please read his or my explanation as to why the fight was never made. It has NOTHING to do with JMM pricing himself out.

[Bill Butcher]

Prime for prime morales beats jmm, I have no doubt about that.

morales was 1 good, solid well rounded, adaptable boxer in his prime & I dont even think jmm outboxes him never mind outfights him.

That box/fight versatility would take a clear ud over jmm IMO.

[4Rounder]

Prime for prime morales beats jmm, I have no doubt about that.

morales was 1 good, solid well rounded, adaptable boxer in his prime & I dont even think jmm outboxes him never mind outfights him.

That box/fight versatility would take a clear ud over jmm IMO.

Yeah, I am also not too sure that JMM beats Morales. It would be close but Morales manages to edge it. I do believe that JMM best prime Barrera and Hamed.

[chimba]

Yeah, I am also not too sure that JMM beats Morales. It would be close but Morales manages to edge it. I do believe that JMM best prime Barrera and Hamed.

Damn if JMM is GOD!! he should fight Floyd..I think he beats him too...Its the styles:rofl :rofl :rofl

[divac]

Prime for prime morales beats jmm, I have no doubt about that.

morales was 1 good, solid well rounded, adaptable boxer in his prime & I dont even think jmm outboxes him never mind outfights him.

That box/fight versatility would take a clear ud over jmm IMO.

Just goes to show how people analyze and see fights and potential fights differently.

Imo, out of the mini-fab four and you can even include Hamed in the mix......the easiest fight for JMM would be against Morales.

Although imo out of the mix of Morales, MAB, Pac, and Hamed, Morales was the better boxer, he was also the slowest of the five.
From my point of view, the slower the figher, the easier he becomes to counterpunch.

I also believe that Morales stamina comes a little into question, he lost the late rounds against each of the fights with MAB and Manny Pac.
Morales was schooling MAB in their 2nd fight rematch, but lost steam and lost the late rounds.....the same with his first fight with Manny Pac, he was winning practically every round, lost steam, and the last two or three rounds where Morales fought on fumes made it close on the cards.

Considering that I would rate JMM #1 (not based on accomplishment, but on who I feel is the overall best fighter) Morales for me was too slow and JMM's stamina was and is superior to that of Morales'.
I see JMM winning a clear cut UD by about the scores of 8-4!
I see JMM dominating every one of the late rounds in route to a UD!

[4Rounder]

Damn if JMM is GOD!! he should fight Floyd..I think he beats him too...Its the styles

:dead
why would I match JMM with a boxer 3 divisions up :patsch
only stupid nuthuggers do that. :-(

nice try dick

[4Rounder]

Just goes to show how people analyze and see fights and potential fights differently.

Imo, out of the mini-fab four and you can even include Hamed in the mix......the easiest fight for JMM would be against Morales.

Although imo out of the mix of Morales, MAB, Pac, and Hamed, Morales was the better boxer, he was also the slowest of the five.
From my point of view, the slower the figher, the easier he becomes to counterpunch.

I also believe that Morales stamina comes a little into question, he lost the late rounds against each of the fights with MAB and Manny Pac.
Morales was schooling MAB in their 2nd fight rematch, but lost steam and lost the late rounds.....the same with his first fight with Manny Pac, he was winning practically every round, lost steam, and the last two or three rounds where Morales fought on fumes made it close on the cards.

Considering that I would rate JMM #1 (not based on accomplishment, but on who I feel is the overall best fighter) Morales for me was too slow and JMM's stamina was and is superior to that of Morales'.
I see JMM winning a clear cut UD by about the scores of 8-4!
I see JMM dominating every one of the late rounds in route to a UD!
Yes, but kind of feel that Morales would be smarter than that and if he felt his flurries were not very effective and got tagged too much with counters, then he would slow down his pace and work his way in and out through out the rounds, giving him enough energy to stay consistant towards the end. I think he would realize that going hyper on a better counter puncher is not gonna cut it.

[IsaL]

Damn if JMM is GOD!! he should fight Floyd..I think he beats him too...Its the styles:rofl :rofl :rofl

JMM is not God but he's tye closest thing to god at SFW!:yep

[chimba]

:dead
why would I match JMM with a boxer 3 divisions up :patsch
only stupid nuthuggers do that. :-(

nice try dick

What are you stupid...If I had a fighter beating Hamed, Morales, Berrera..no problem...why not go for Floyd??? you stupid maricon

[IsaL]

Crack this in your hard skull. The only way Marquez can fight Pac is to accept whatever offer there is from the promoters. If he doesn't, it's his loss, and I won't call anyone a chicken here. It's just a failure of negotiations.

Get this through your pea brain. De La Hoya already said he wants to make the fight happen, Arum already sd they are looking for the fight that will generate the most money, Pac sd he wants the money fight, JMM already called Pac out. If the fight doesn't happen Pac is running like a chicken. :good

[psychopath]

Only to get knocked back down to 130.:lol::lol::lol:

How do you know? :D

AT least if Pac fights at 135 he'll get more money, bigger stature for climbing up in weight and fighting a young undefeated two belt holder . . . that's a chicken for you. :yep

While JMM will retire with his precious WBC belt without tasting a Mil purse.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

:good

[4Rounder]

What are you stupid...If I had a fighter beating Hamed, Morales, Berrera..no problem...why not go for Floyd??? you stupid maricon

STFU bitch, I don't even know why the fuck you are trying to argue about this? :patsch

JMM is no God, but he is Manny's daddy. :yep

[chimba]

STFU bitch, I don't even know why the fuck you are trying to argue about this? :patsch

JMM is no God, but he is Manny's daddy. :yep

:rofl :rofl :rofl come back to me March 15...No excuses from me...whats your excuse if your boy loses??

[psychopath]

JMM is not God but he's tye closest thing to god at SFW!:yep

:yikes Yeah GOD . . . my ass.

:yep :rofl :lol:

[IsaL]

:yikes Yeah GOD . . . my ass.

:yep :rofl :lol:

Well don't be surprised if we see Pac on his knees bowing down after KMM connects with a perfect staright right when they fight.

That is ofcourse if Pac doesn't run from JMM.

[4Rounder]

How do you know? :D

AT least if Pac fights at 135 he'll get more money, bigger stature for climbing up in weight and fighting a young undefeated two belt holder . . . that's a chicken for you.

While JMM will retire with his precious WBC belt without tasting a Mil purse.


And how would you know??? :huh

you want me to assume that Pac will get respect and lots of money for fighting lightweights to which he is very and very likely to lose, all while running from the SFW division without fighting the ones that mattered,

then why not assume that Marquez makes a name of himself by fighting super fights with Guzman, Soto, and Valero and unifies the division.

how about we assume that Pacquiao doesn't get shit done at LW, what then?

since we are just assuming here.

psychopath never in mind crossed that you would become another mindless pacquiao nuthugger, whats up man?

[IsaL]

:rofl :rofl :rofl come back to me March 15...No excuses from me...whats your excuse if your boy loses??

Please, Pac and Pacfans have more excuses than the Phillipenes have fighters.

Cheap socks
Broken hand
Blistered foot
Brand of Gloves
Late night partying
Media frenzy
Politics

You guys always set something up before Pac fights a big fight.

[psychopath]

Well don't be surprised if we see Pac on his knees bowing down after KMM connects with a perfect staright right when they fight.

That is ofcourse if Pac doesn't run from JMM.

That's only in your dreams buddy. :rofl

Who told you Pac will fight your boii? :lol:

Pac will run away from JMM and fight a young two belt holder at the higher weight . . . as I said that's chicken Pac. :yep :good

Your boii will have a nightmare of his life . . . thinking why he chickened out on the immediate rematch. :hey

[4Rounder]

:rofl :rofl :rofl come back to me March 15...No excuses from me...whats your excuse if your boy loses??

none, congratulations to Pacquiao if he wins,

But lets have the fight damn it.

What will be your excuse if Pac loses?

[chimba]

none, congratulations to Pacquiao if he wins,

But lets have the fight damn it.

What will be your excuse if Pac loses?

:rofl :rofl :rofl Please:rofl

If Pac loses... ?

were you here when we disowned Boom Boom

we wouldnt go that far but you get the point

[psychopath]

And how would you know??? :huh

you want me to assume that Pac will get respect and lots of money for fighting lightweights to which he is very and very likely to lose, all while running from the SFW division without fighting the ones that mattered,

then why not assume that Marquez makes a name of himself by fighting super fights with Guzman, Soto, and Valero and unifies the division.

how about we assume that Pacquiao doesn't get shit done at LW, what then?

since we are just assuming here.

psychopath never in mind crossed that you would become another mindless pacquiao nuthugger, whats up man?

Juan Diaz is likely to lose? :yikes

That does it STUPID MOFO. You just OWNED yourself.

Didn't I read up there that you said "ONLY TO BE BOX back DOWN TO 130?" Means you are saying Pac has no chance. :hey

You are desperate man. :-(

I think you're losing it.:huh

Not a Pac NUTHUGGER though . . . you are a JMM NUTHUGGER. :lol:

[4Rounder]

Juan Diaz is likely to lose? :yikes

That does it STUPID MOFO. You just OWNED yourself.

Didn't I read up there that you said "ONLY TO BE BOX back DOWN TO 130?" Means you are saying Pac has no chance. :hey :lol:

You are desperate man. :-(

I think you're losing it. :huh
What just happened? did you just turn into a moron just now, but I guess thats what happeneds when you go down to the nuthuggers level. Read my post again, not being able to read and comprehend shows who is the desperate one here. :lol:

OWNED!

[psychopath]

What just happened? did you just turn into a moron just now, but I guess thats what happeneds when you go down to the nuthuggers level. Read my post again, not being able to read and comprehend shows who is desperate one here. :lol:

OWNED!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh OK i missed that . . . but then again you still owned yourself.

Imagine the chicken Pac going up to fight heavier fighters which is likely to lose to?

The complete description of a chciken. Right he is a chicken.

:hi: :good

[4Rounder]

And how would you know??? :huh

you want me to assume that Pac will get respect and lots of money for fighting lightweights to which he is very and very likely to lose, all while running from the SFW division without fighting the ones that mattered,

then why not assume that Marquez makes a name of himself by fighting super fights with Guzman, Soto, and Valero and unifies the division.

how about we assume that Pacquiao doesn't get shit done at LW, what then?

since we are just assuming here.

psychopath never in mind crossed that you would become another mindless pacquiao nuthugger, whats up man?

Do you not read correctly. :rofl
Right, keep owning me with your ignorance buddy. :lol:
That was a good laugh. Let me see what you can come up with next. :hi:

[psychopath]

Do you not read correctly. :rofl
Right, keep owning me with your ignorance buddy. :lol:
That was a good laugh. Let me see what you can come up with next. :hi:

What didn't you read my earllier post? :D

You're calling a guy who is going up in weight to fight opponents who is likely to beat him a chicken?

Now you explain that shithead. :lol: :rofl

Your desperation to suck JMM's dick is unreal dude.

[divac]

Yes, but kind of feel that Morales would be smarter than that and if he felt his flurries were not very effective and got tagged too much with counters, then he would slow down his pace and work his way in and out through out the rounds, giving him enough energy to stay consistant towards the end. I think he would realize that going hyper on a better counter puncher is not gonna cut it.

Why would you feel that Morales would be diciplined enough when he was'nt vs MAB?

Had Morales stuck strictly to boxing, he would have clearly beaten MAB in each of their 3 fights imo.
.....but thank God for us boxing fans who like to watch exitement, Morales ego got in the way each and every time he got hit hard.

I feel it would'nt be any different with JMM.....and coupled with the fact that I feel that JMM is not only quicker and faster to get off his punches by either leading or in counterpunch mode, I dont see where Morales would be able to outbox the quicker, faster, and just outright more versatile fighter.

Too tell you the truth, JMM is a stylistic nightmare to all but the most elite skill fighters who have a quickness and speed advantage over him.
He's just to good technically and masterful in counterpunch mode.

JMM is a natural featherweight, Morales' best weight I feel was between 122 and 126. Certainly Morales was more a puncher at 122 than at 126, and at 130 lbs, he really did'nt have the power to finish even B level opposition.

Morales reminds me alot of Alexis Arguello....same type of style and same type of technical rhythm.....but their achilles heel were quick and fast counterpunchers.....
....Note that Arguello I feel was a better fighter than Morales. Better, stronger and more punching power.....even Arguello could be pestified and stymied by the right style....a pesky counterpuncher whos was quick and fast.....exhibit Vilomar Fernandez who is no where near the level of JMM and who gave Arguello fits and beat him in a non-title fight that was supposed to be a tuneup for Arguello.

As good a boxer that Arguello was, there were styles that could offset what he did.
So my conclusion is that if Vilomar Fernandez could give Arguello fits, JMM would do alot better vs a lesser version of the great Arguello!



Btw, this is'nt a knock on the great Erik Morales.....but theirs a styles issue to think about here.
JMM is faster, quicker, and imo phsically stronger than Erik Morales.
We can get into other things I dont believe are necessary to further discuss this matchup, like balance, footwork, punch repertoire, etc......

......there are'nt that many things that Morales does better than JMM!

Like I said, I have great respect for Morales, but I'd feel less secure of a JMM victory over him had Morales carried his power up to 126 and 130.......
A fighter like Arguello against Marquez can be made a strong case for beating JMM, because Arguello has the X factor on his side....the ability to change the course of a fight with a single shot.
Morales did'nt have that at 126 lbs and above!

The more I think about it, the more nighmarish this matchup is to Erik Morales!

[IsaL]

What didn't you read my earllier post? :D

You're calling a guy who is going up in weight to fight opponents who is likely to beat him a chicken?

Now you explain that shithead. :lol: :rofl

Your desperation to suck JMM's dick is unreal dude.

That is easy to explain. JMM brings out the clucking in Pacquiao.

[4Rounder]

What didn't you read my earllier post?

You're calling a guy who is going up in weight to fight opponents who is likely to beat him a chicken?

Now you explain that shithead.

Your desperation to suck JMM's dick is unreal dude.
Oh I will not call him a chicken for fighting Juan Diaz, but he doesn't even want the Baby Bull, he wants David Diaz for fucks sake, thats a chicken.

instead of staying at 130 and where he has a better chance to win over very dangerous oppenents, if thats not chicken to you, I don't know what is.

Get this straight, I am not a JMM nuthugger, I believe he has a very good chance of beating Pacquiao, as well as the other top dogs in the division, he may very well lose and nobody can't dispute that. This is the fight that needs to be made, nothing else, and to this match, I will stand up.

[4Rounder]

Don't sourgrape, kid, if your boy won't get to fight Pac for retirement money. Rather you should cheer Pac for taking on the big boys for bigger purse and glory. Or, I suggest you might as well advise your boy to accept the purse offered to him come negotiation time. Marquez, by the way, is being considered. Don't lose sleep on this, your boy's turn to fight will come unless his management team screw it up.
I am more concerned about team Pac putting it on hold until JMM needs a walking stick to get to the ring. I am very looking forward to seeing this in March 2008.

[psychopath]

That is easy to explain. JMM brings out the clucking in Pacquiao.

That's why a guy who is wanting to fight more dangerous and bigger guys is a chicken?

Great explanation.

:lol:

JMM is desperate to get big money fights . . . and so were you people.

Keep sour graping.

:yep :happy :hey

[4Rounder]

Why would you feel that Morales would be diciplined enough when he was'nt vs MAB?

Had Morales stuck strictly to boxing, he would have clearly beaten MAB in each of their 3 fights imo.
.....but thank God for us boxing fans who like to watch exitement, Morales ego got in the way each and every time he got hit hard.

I feel it would'nt be any different with JMM.....and coupled with the fact that I feel that JMM is not only quicker and faster to get off his punches by either leading or in counterpunch mode, I dont see where Morales would be able to outbox the quicker, faster, and just outright more versatile fighter.

Too tell you the truth, JMM is a stylistic nightmare to all but the most elite skill fighters who have a quickness and speed advantage over him.
He's just to good technically and masterful in counterpunch mode.

JMM is a natural featherweight, Morales' best weight I feel was between 122 and 126. Certainly Morales was more a puncher at 122 than at 126, and at 130 lbs, he really did'nt have the power to finish even B level opposition.

Morales reminds me alot of Alexis Arguello....same type of style and same type of technical rhythm.....but their achilles heel were quick and fast counterpunchers.....
....Note that Arguello I feel was a better fighter than Morales. Better, stronger and more punching power.....even Arguello could be pestified and stymied by the right style....a pesky counterpuncher whos was quick and fast.....exhibit Vilomar Fernandez who is no where near the level of JMM and who gave Arguello fits and beat him in a non-title fight that was supposed to be a tuneup for Arguello.

As good a boxer that Arguello was, there were styles that could offset what he did.
So my conclusion is that if Vilomar Fernandez could give Arguello fits, JMM would do alot better vs a lesser version of the great Arguello!



Btw, this is'nt a knock on the great Erik Morales.....but theirs a styles issue to think about here.
JMM is faster, quicker, and imo phsically stronger than Erik Morales.
We can get into other things I dont believe are necessary to further discuss this matchup, like balance, footwork, punch repertoire, etc......

......there are'nt that many things that Morales does better than JMM!

Like I said, I have great respect for Morales, but I'd feel less secure of a JMM victory over him had Morales carried his power up to 126 and 130.......
A fighter like Arguello against Marquez can be made a strong case for beating JMM, because Arguello has the X factor on his side....the ability to change the course of a fight with a single shot.
Morales did'nt have that at 126 lbs and above!

The more I think about it, the more nighmarish this matchup is to Erik Morales!

Thats a very good assessment. Morales loved and was used to landing the final punch in the exchanges, he just simply loved to prove he is the better man. I can see Morales getting his punches blocked in the middle of the ring and hitting nothing but air in the ropes. He did get caught many times jumping on the inside with big shots.

But I still think he has a good chance, he was also an expert in moving from the outside to the inside, his money punch, the straight right and good jab combination shined here. I think once he find out he can't do it the usual way then he will start picking his shots and looking to connect, setting up a tactical flurry for when he creates an opening. One thing I liked from Morales was his body movent to be able to position himself to throw a good punch from almost any angle, despite having the lesser footwork than JMM and MAB. He would repeat this and adjust accordingly, just like JMM will be ad******g. What an elite fight would this be. IMO of course.:D

His ego may be his downfall but it could also be his spark to improvise, I think he would say to himself "Cabron, me las vas a pagar con esto otro". Along those lines. :thumbsup

I will not say he definetely wins, just that he has a very good chance, better than MAB.

[4Rounder]

I also want this fight to happen to settle this issue once and for all. But, for it to happen, JMM should recognize that Pac is the bigger draw by accepting a lower share of the price considering Pac is #2 PxP fighter. Belts do not amount to anything anymore.
Yes, I believe JMM needs to take the smaller piece in the plate, but he shouldn't get shafted with apple pie while the others eat the chocolate cake.

Even if you throw the belt out the window, they are fighting for the Ring Championship, and that one matters.

[Silvermags]

Yes, I believe JMM needs to take the smaller piece in the plate, but he shouldn't get shafted with apple pie while the others eat the chocolate cake.

Even if you throw the belt out the window, they are fighting for the Ring Championship, and that one matters.

Probably the Ring Championship matters in other division! If it MATTERS how come none of the TOP GUNS is running after it?! Sometimes the ring matters but Fighting the one who owns the ring and Fighting Pacman who out a ring is more appealing to the boxing fans and the promoters themselves!:hey

It's like owning a Championship ring but nobody cares :| :good

[4Rounder]

Probably the Ring Championship matters in other division! If it MATTERS how come none of the TOP GUNS is running after it?! Sometimes the ring matters but Fighting the one who owns the ring and Fighting Pacman who out a ring is more appealing to the boxing fans and the promoters themselves!

It's like owning a Championship ring but nobody cares.
Dude, come on, do you even know what I am talking about???? :?

I would rather you know than to get you back with insults.

I am talking about the Ring Magazine Championship Belt, the one that that places you as the one true champion for the division, highly regarded and recognized by the entire boxing world. Even older than the other belts.

With this one a boxer is king and its only determined with a fight between the two best fighters of a division. As of right now, the championship is vacant and the two best fighters at 130lbs are both Pacquiao and Marquez. The last guy who owned the throne was Floyd Mayweather before moving up in weight class back in 2001.

Get it? very significant.

[psychopath]

Oh I will not call him a chicken for fighting Juan Diaz, but he doesn't even want the Baby Bull, he wants David Diaz for fucks sake, thats a chicken.

instead of staying at 130 and where he has a better chance to win over very dangerous oppenents, if thats not chicken to you, I don't know what is.

Get this straight, I am not a JMM nuthugger, I believe he has a very good chance of beating Pacquiao, as well as the other top dogs in the division, he may very well lose and nobody can't dispute that. This is the fight that needs to be made, nothing else, and to this match, I will stand up.

:D NOT a JMM nuthugger? Then why brand me as a Pac nuthugger? :lol:

I'm arguing based on the issue and how I see things not because I like Pacquaio. If Pac gets KTFO fighting the bigger guys so be it . . . I won't lose sleep. The point is he has the balls to climb up and fight the bigger guys which will give him more stature and money. Is that a chicken for you? :think

I know the JMM/PAC needs to happen but I don't believe JMM has any right to dictate his purse. If JMM really wants the fight and he is confident of beating the other guy then get the offer . . . no bullshits. If the fight doesn't materialize then don't blame Pac.

It's stupid for you people to call Pac names because he is planning his career just like JMM . . . that's the bottom line.

Now wake up . . . and insert logic in your point of view.

[4Rounder]

:D NOT a JMM nuthugger? Then why brand me as a Pac nuthugger? :lol:

I'm arguing based on the issue and how I see things not because I like Pacquaio. If Pac gets KTFO fighting the bigger guys so be it . . . I won't lose sleep. The point is he has the balls to climb up and fight the bigger guys which will give him more stature and money. Is that a chicken for you? :think
Alright, but a fight betwen Pac and David Diaz is just bullshit. I will not argue about him maning up to Juan D.


I know the JMM/PAC needs to happen but I don't believe JMM has any right to dictate his purse. If JMM really wants the fight and he is confident of beating the other guy then get the offer . . . no bullshits. If the fight doesn't materialize then don't blame Pac. No, JMM can't dictate the purse, but he should get a decent pay check for a fight of this magnitude. If JMM rejects a respectable pay then it is his fault, but if he is offered peanuts then the Pac team should go to hell for being greedy bastards.


It's stupid for you people to call Pac names because he is planning his career just like JMM . . . that's the bottom line.

Now wake up . . . and insert logic in your point of view.
Logic dictates that this fight needs to be made.

[psychopath]

Alright, but a fight betwen Pac and David Diaz is just bullshit. I will not argue about him maning up to Juan D.

You maybe not a JMM nuthugger . . . maybe merely a Pac hater. :yep

What's wrong if Pac fights David Diaz first? The guy is also a belt holder who beat Morales . . . if you're saying Pac is a sure winner against David . . . you should think again. You head is being clouted by your hatred to Pac. Why is it a bullshit? Because JMM is left out? :D

No, JMM can't dictate the purse, but he should get a decent pay check for a fight of this magnitude. If JMM rejects a respectable pay then it is his fault, but if he is offered peanuts then the Pac team should go to hell for being greedy bastards.

JMM got $750,000 in fighting MAB for the belt, his biggest paycheck so far. Now If he refused a $1.2 TO $1.5 mil offer to fight PAC who has no belt . . . then it's clear that he and his team are the greedy bastards.

Do you think that's peanut? Isn't that decent? :lol:


Logic dictates that this fight needs to be made.

Yeah LOGIC dictates the fight needs to be made . . . but it doesn't give you the right to give out trash and bullshit arguements. :yep

[4Rounder]

You maybe not a JMM nuthugger . . . maybe merely a Pac hater. :yep

What's wrong if Pac fights David Diaz first? The guy is also a belt holder who beat Morales . . . if you're saying Pac is a sure winner against David . . . you should think again. You head is being clouted by your hatred to Pac. Why is it a bullshit? Because JMM is left out? :D
Pac hater? NOPE
Pac nuthugger slapper? YES

Whats wrong with facing David D? :patsch
The guys has a paper belt that belongs to Casamayor, barely scrapped by a shot Morales (who many felt still won), and no body knows who this guy is but those who bought that ppv. This is just a low risk low reward fight. Are you actually gonna argue about that? You already said that you want Pacquiao to go after big money fights with legacy points, this is not it.


JMM got $750,000 in fighting MAB for the belt, his biggest paycheck so far. Now If he refused a $1.2 TO $1.5 mil offer to fight PAC who has no belt . . . then it's clear that he and his team are the greedy bastards.

Do you think that's peanut? Isn't that decent?
Thats a decent pay, and by all means he should take it, but from what we know both teams have not sat at the negotiation table yet. The Pac team is still showing little interest in this rematch.


Yeah LOGIC dictates the fight needs to be made . . . but it doesn't give you the right to give out trash and bullshit arguements. :yep
Oh but you and all the pacman nuthuggers have the right to bring their bullshit talk coming out straight from their ass. Please.:verysad
Just because you don't agree with most of the stuff we say does not mean its bullshit. Your opinion is not more valid than mine homie.

[divac]

Thats a very good assessment. Morales loved and was used to landing the final punch in the exchanges, he just simply loved to prove he is the better man. I can see Morales getting his punches blocked in the middle of the ring and hitting nothing but air in the ropes. He did get caught many times jumping on the inside with big shots.

But I still think he has a good chance, he was also an expert in moving from the outside to the inside, his money punch, the straight right and good jab combination shined here. I think once he find out he can't do it the usual way then he will start picking his shots and looking to connect, setting up a tactical flurry for when he creates an opening. One thing I liked from Morales was his body movent to be able to position himself to throw a good punch from almost any angle, despite having the lesser footwork than JMM and MAB. He would repeat this and adjust accordingly, just like JMM will be ad******g. What an elite fight would this be. IMO of course.:D

His ego may be his downfall but it could also be his spark to improvise, I think he would say to himself "Cabron, me las vas a pagar con esto otro". Along those lines. :thumbsup

I will not say he definetely wins, just that he has a very good chance, better than MAB.

There are other things to consider in this type of matchup and in comparing what MAB did vs Morales and what JMM could and may have done.....

I loved for example the way Erik Morales beautifully boxed MAB and kept him at the end of his jab early in fight #2.
Barrera in that 2nd fight elected to box Erik Morales and Erik was getting the better of him boxing from distance.

Everybody guages certain fighters differently, so I would'nt say that my assesment would be any more valid than yours.....

.....I will say that imo Morales would have less sucess in boxing JMM the way he outboxed MAB.

MAB imo is a little overrated when it comes to being a technically sound technician. By that I mean two men standing at center ring and trying to get the better of the other by boxing, not brawling.

While MAB was good at jabbing while circling and backtracking, he was'nt all that great at disecting another good technician from center ring.
Mab could'nt box at ring center vs Junior Jones, Erik Morales, JMM, and to an extent even had great difficulty trying to outbox Rocky Juarez at ring center.
MAB's sucess against Juarez came in their 2nd fight, running and jabbing against a fighter in Juarez who I've said more than once, fights with his feet stuck in mud. Rocky just does'nt have the legs to cut off a runner with those legs of his.

This opinion makes me feel that although Morales had great sucess at boxing MAB at ring center, JMM was alot better at matching skills ring center than was MAB. So while it would be easier to box MAB ring center, its another story to do the same to JMM!

Just my opinion of course, I'm not forcing it upon anyone, but its just things from my point of view that I've seen and judged from watching all of these featherweights.

Certainly, I think that we both respect both fighters, and certainly Erik Morales is the caliber fighter that would have a shot against almost anyone on his best night!

Respectfully my friend, I'll disagree with you on this one!;)

[psychopath]

Pac hater? NOPE
Pac nuthugger slapper? YES

Well then . . . I'm a Pac hater slapper. That just make it even. :yep

Whats wrong with facing David D? :patsch
The guys has a paper belt that belongs to Casamayor, barely scrapped by a shot Morales (who many felt still won), and no body knows who this guy is but those who bought that ppv. This is just a low risk low reward fight. Are you actually gonna argue about that? You already said that you want Pacquiao to go after big money fights with legacy points, this is not it.

As I said inject a little logic in your arguement. :hey

Anytime a smaller guy goes up in weight to fight a title holder . . . it's a bigger stature than fighting a belt holder in his own class. Irregardless of who are the fighters involved. What are you thinking? :-(

And I can assure you that's gonna be a bigger money fight. :yep

It's hurting you people . . . that desperate JMM is gonna be left out. That's the reason for all these "trash arguements".

Thats a decent pay, and by all means he should take it, but from what we know both teams have not sat at the negotiation table yet. The Pac team is still showing little interest in this rematch.

Little interest? :D Baloney. As you said . . . negotiations haven't started yet, how can you say that? Press releases are nothing but HYPE. Be real!

Oh but you and all the pacman nuthuggers have the right to bring their bullshit talk coming out straight from their ass. Please.:verysad
Just because you don't agree with most of the stuff we say does not mean its bullshit. Your opinion is not more valid than mine homie.

Oh yeah? More valid than mine. :lol:

So you're still insisting that Pac is a chicken for wanting to climb up in weight? :roll:

I'M not a member of the PAC nuthuggers club and I have never insulted JMM . . . but if the fight doesn't happen because of money don't call Pac names . . . that's a desperate justification. :D

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[4Rounder]

There are other things to consider in this type of matchup and in comparing what MAB did vs Morales and what JMM could and may have done.....

....................

Certainly, I think that we both respect both fighters, and certainly Erik Morales is the caliber fighter that would have a shot against almost anyone on his best night!

Respectfully my friend, I'll disagree with you on this one!;)

No problem Divac. I believe that Morales is a better boxer-puncher than Barrera, but Marquez is the better boxer of the three but that alone doesn't determine who wins head to head. I loved how JMM neutralized MAB's counters in their fight, and how EM was getting the better of MAB tactically like you pointed out.

Regarding MAB I think people think he was a better tactician because thats how the HBO team made it out to be. Repeately saying he was the smartest boxer out there and all sorts of other things that their hype machine uses to influence the fans. I mean Morales did get the nod in 2000 in the fight as closest to their primes it could get, even if many people thought MAB took it and also many thought EM he won the rematch.

That aside its the end of the line for the mini fabulous four circle, only one fight left that needs to be resolved as soon as possible.

[divac]

You maybe not a JMM nuthugger . . . maybe merely a Pac hater. :yep

What's wrong if Pac fights David Diaz first? The guy is also a belt holder who beat Morales . . . if you're saying Pac is a sure winner against David . . . you should think again. You head is being clouted by your hatred to Pac. Why is it a bullshit? Because JMM is left out? :D



JMM got $750,000 in fighting MAB for the belt, his biggest paycheck so far. Now If he refused a $1.2 TO $1.5 mil offer to fight PAC who has no belt . . . then it's clear that he and his team are the greedy bastards.

Do you think that's peanut? Isn't that decent? :lol:




Yeah LOGIC dictates the fight needs to be made . . . but it doesn't give you the right to give out trash and bullshit arguements. :yep


Because he fought MAB and beat him, JMM has also gained some notoriety and further fan support, especially from a community that loves and buys boxing PPV....the Latino community.

When GBP and Top Rank get together. They are going to determine what this fight might and should do as a PPV.

This is just an example......but if they determine that this fight can bring 12 million in PPV money, maybe 7 or 8 million to the fighters and 4 or 5 million to the promoters.....
.....you have a possible 8 million split to go between the fighters.
If you were to offer JMM 1.5 mil as you say....thats less than 25% of the pot, and just unacceptable in a type of matchup with that much money in the pot.
If theirs 8 mil in the pot, then 40% of that would be 3.2 mil, which was according to DLH what MAB made for his last fight with Pac.

......thats more than fair, considering that Pac if I'm not mistaken gets all the PPV and TV rights in the Phillipines all to himself, which would bring him a significant chunk of change more not available to JMM!


So it depends on the pot. I think that this fight is so much anticipated that it will do better than Pac-MAB, if it does, that means more money for both fighters as they usually get a set guarantee of the projected PPV sales and a % more if it goes over the projected!

[4Rounder]

Psychopath, we are just gonna run in circles all night so lets end it here.

Obviously we can't change each other's opinions. I believe that Pacquiao is disgracing himself if he fights David Diaz with all the top dogs ready to fight and that the fight with Marquez makes the most sense and my goodness he should get a decent pay for it. I know what your logic is, but I still believe this is the direction both fighters need to go before anything else.

You can grab your opinions and run out with them. I will still be around to defend this fight from the stupid comments from the usuals.

You say that you are not a Pacquiao fan, but still come here defending him from so called trash arguments. Well then defend Marquez too as there are countless threads out there trashing Marquez from the usual suspects.

Thats it.

[psychopath]

Because he fought MAB and beat him, JMM has also gained some notoriety and further fan support, especially from a community that loves and buys boxing PPV....the Latino community.

When GBP and Top Rank get together. They are going to determine what this fight might and should do as a PPV.

This is just an example......but if they determine that this fight can bring 12 million in PPV money, maybe 7 or 8 million to the fighters and 4 or 5 million to the promoters.....
.....you have a possible 8 million split to go between the fighters.
If you were to offer JMM 1.5 mil as you say....thats less than 25% of the pot, and just unacceptable in a type of matchup with that much money in the pot.
If theirs 8 mil in the pot, then 40% of that would be 3.2 mil, which was according to DLH what MAB made for his last fight with Pac.

......thats more than fair, considering that Pac if I'm not mistaken gets all the PPV and TV rights in the Phillipines all to himself, which would bring him a significant chunk of change more not available to JMM!


So it depends on the pot. I think that this fight is so much anticipated that it will do better than Pac-MAB, if it does, that means more money for both fighters as they usually get a set guarantee of the projected PPV sales and a % more if it goes over the projected!

Now that's a logical explanation. :good

These are the kind of posts we need. No need for name calling and all that shit.

I don't believe that Pac is going up to 135 anyway . . . that's all bullshit press releases.

This fight should happen. :yep

[psychopath]

Psychopath, we are just gonna run in circles all night so lets end it here.

Obviously we can't change each other's opinions. I believe that Pacquiao is disgracing himself if he fights David Diaz with all the top dogs ready to fight and that the fight with Marquez makes the most sense and my goodness he should get a decent pay for it. I know what your logic is, but I still believe this is the direction both fighters need to go before anything else.

You can grab your opinions and run out with them. I will still be around to defend this fight from the stupid comments from the usuals.

You say that you are not a Pacquiao fan, but still come here defending him from so called trash arguments. Well then defend Marquez too as there are countless threads out there trashing Marquez from the usual suspects.

Thats it.

You are the one who branded me a NUTHUGGER first. :lol:

I responded because I feel it's ILLOGICAL to call a fighter who's going up in weight to fight for another belt a chicken. :D

Anyway, it's all good. :good

[4Rounder]

Now that's a logical explanation. :good

These are the kind of posts we need. No need for name calling and all that shit.

I don't believe that Pac is going up to 135 anyway . . . that's all bullshit press releases.

This fight should happen. :yep

Well then. :happy

[4Rounder]

You are the one who branded me a NUTHUGGER first. :lol:

I responded because I feel it's ILLOGICAL to call a fighter who's going up in weight to fight for another belt a chicken. :D

Anyway, it's all good. :good

Understood. :thumbsup