What if Manny Pacquiao vs. Wilfredo "Bazooka" Gomez

[1boricua]

Do you imagine a fight between Wilfredo Gomez vs. Pacquiao at 122 pounds. I choose Gomez by 7th round KO (obviously a well trained and not drinking nor drugging Gomez). (Gomez record 44 (42 ko's), 3, 1 (1974-1989)

[Thread Stealer]

At 122, Gomez wins.

At 126 and 130, probably Pacquiao.

[Imperial1]

Man that would have been a bloody war..But I would have pciked Gomez at 122 as well.

[PacDbest]

Does Gomez have a Granite Chin??? Pac was unbeaten at 122, all wins by KO the one Draw was when he was robbed by the judges in the Foul filled fight with Sanchez.

Pac by KO in 2nd rd.

[carras]

Does Gomez have a Granite Chin??? Pac was unbeaten at 122, all wins by KO the one Draw was when he was robbed by the judges in the Foul filled fight with Sanchez.

Pac by KO in 2nd rd.

wow....
dude have you even watched gomez fight?:patsch
the man never lost @ 122, questioning his chin is stupid, and he was madly strong has the longest KO streak, 32 in a row i think, HOW IN HELL is manny gonna ko him in 2, when even sanchez needed 8, and nelson was behind on the cards before stoping him in the 11??

[PacDbest]

wow....
dude have you even watched gomez fight?:patsch
the man never lost @ 122, questioning his chin is stupid, and he was madly strong has the longest KO streak, 32 in a row i think, HOW IN HELL is manny gonna ko him in 2, when even sanchez needed 8, and nelson was behind on the cards before stoping him in the 11??

I saw also the highlights of Sanchez KOing Gomez at 126. That's enough for me to make my conclusion. By the way, Pac still Knocking out 130lbs Granite chinned fighter.

[PacDbest]

Gomez is 5'5", short armed hooker-Brawler. All his loses is by Knockout one each at 122,126, 130. Pac's never been close to being KOed on those weightclasses & that's against the best of the best. Gomez style is just made for Pac, will never last 3 rds.

[PacDbest]

wow....
dude have you even watched gomez fight?:patsch
the man never lost @ 122, questioning his chin is stupid, and he was madly strong has the longest KO streak, 32 in a row i think, HOW IN HELL is manny gonna ko him in 2, when even sanchez needed 8, and nelson was behind on the cards before stoping him in the 11??

Coz I think Manny has Greater Power than Sanchez & Nelson.

[joito3]

gomez by ko at 122 , 126 i'd favor pacman

[brooklyn1550]

At 122, Gomez by TKO
At 126-130, Pacquiao by TKO

[carras]

Gomez is 5'5", short armed hooker-Brawler. All his loses is by Knockout one each at 122,126, 130. Pac's never been close to being KOed on those weightclasses & that's against the best of the best. Gomez style is just made for Pac, will never last 3 rds.

he never lost at 122, and gomez was a complete fighter not just a brawler

[carras]

I saw also the highlights of Sanchez KOing Gomez at 126. That's enough for me to make my conclusion. By the way, Pac still Knocking out 130lbs Granite chinned fighter.

that shows your knowledge on this subject is based on highligts which is very limited. go watch the complete fights before making crazy statements, I'm done dealing with your nuthugging.

BTW
gomez by TKO @ 122
pick'em @ 126
pac by ko @ 130

[Thread Stealer]

Why do you bother arguing on a Pacquiao thread with someone with the screen name "PacDBest"??

[carras]

yeah I know it's pointless, but sometimes it gets to me.
I like pac he's a great, exiting fighter who's great for the sport but a LOT of his fans are delusional and bothersome.

[unitas]

gomez, gomez,gomez..........if you pick fagman, you are a nuthugger.

[1boricua]

Gomez never lost @ 122 and won all defenses by KO. Questioning his chin is stupid. He wasn't only a puncher, he was a hell of a boxer too. Pacquiao cannot be with him in the ring for more than 8 rounds.

[PacDbest]

that shows your knowledge on this subject is based on highligts which is very limited. go watch the complete fights before making crazy statements, I'm done dealing with your nuthugging.

BTW
gomez by TKO @ 122
pick'em @ 126
pac by ko @ 130


Actually I've seen the whole fight live on TV when I was young, Youtube just make it easier to compare fighters nowadays.

I just laid down the facts.

You pick Pac at 130 but Pick Gomez at 122??? Don't you know that Pac started at 106? That means Gomez is supposed to be the Bigger guy.
Gomez is supposed to be stronger than Pac at 130 right? Nope it doesn't work that way.

Pac moved up from 112-122 because he can't make weight anymore. At his right weight at 122 he dominates until he moved to Challenge MAB. Move up again to Challenge morales. What does it tells you??? Pac moved up to seek Greater Challenge coz he's too much for any 122 pounder.

Gomez tried the same but he just failed.

Pac has Speed, Reach & maybe power advantage against Gomez at any weight. That's why I pick him at any weight.

What's your argument? Why do you think Gomez can KO Pac? Just because He KOs everybody at 122? Pac Did the same at 122. just because you're a Boriqua?

Don't forget what both have done after 122. Pac has Proven More.

[PacDbest]

that shows your knowledge on this subject is based on highligts which is very limited. go watch the complete fights before making crazy statements, I'm done dealing with your nuthugging.

BTW
gomez by TKO @ 122
pick'em @ 126
pac by ko @ 130


Actually I've seen the whole fight live on TV when I was young, Youtube just make it easier to compare fighters nowadays.

I just laid down the facts.

You pick Pac at 130 but Pick Gomez at 122??? Don't you know that Pac started at 106? That means Gomez is supposed to be the Bigger guy.
Gomez is supposed to be stronger than Pac at 130 right? Nope it doesn't work that way.

Pac moved up from 112-122 because he can't make weight anymore. At his right weight at 122 he dominates until he moved to Challenge MAB. Move up again to Challenge morales. What does it tells you??? Pac moved up to seek Greater Challenge coz he's too much for any 122 pounder.

Gomez tried the same but he just failed.

Pac has Speed, Reach & maybe power advantage against Gomez at any weight. That's why I pick him at any weight.

What's your argument? Why do you think Gomez can KO Pac? Just because He KOs everybody at 122? Pac Did the same at 122. just because you're a Boriqua?

Don't forget what both have done after 122. Pac has Proven More.

[carras]

you're the only one that's picking pac at 122, and I'm not picking gomez because I'm boricua, unlike you,I always try to be very objective and not end up looking like a biased fool. I'm not saying Gomez kos pac @ 122 only because he ko'ed everyone else at that weight, but because he could deal and take heavy punishment at that division better than at the other above, and also box when necesary. And about pac moving up, each boxer handles moving up in weight different than other, just compare PBF and Hatton. the fact that floyd came from below and his body took the weight better doesn't mean that PBF is stronger, or better than Hatton.

[PacDbest]

you're the only one that's picking pac at 122, and I'm not picking gomez because I'm boricua, unlike you,I always try to be very objective and not end up looking like a biased fool. I'm not saying Gomez kos pac @ 122 only because he ko'ed everyone else at that weight, but because he could deal and take heavy punishment at that division better than at the other above, and also box when necesary. And about pac moving up, each boxer handles moving up in weight different than other, just compare PBF and Hatton. the fact that floyd came from below and his body took the weight better doesn't mean that PBF is stronger, or better than Hatton.

Are you saying Hatton is better than PBF???

PBF starts at 130, Hatton mostly at 140. PBF moved up & become successful coz he's got great skills & & quicker than every opponent he fought. Hatton probably stronger but we know what happened when he step up at 147, He failed & retreat back at 140. You can compare Gomez to Hatton they both failed. Pac & PBF are the same they moved up & beat bigger fighters except Pac Takes the best while PBF pick the one he can easily beat.

[carras]

jeez I'm done with the nut job.....

[puga_ni_nana]

even though pacdbest is the nuthugger, i still like his argument better than the guys who claim gomez will beat pac at 122.

[puga_ni_nana]

Pac by KO in 2nd rd.

except this... :nut

[PATSYS]

Pac by KO

[PacDbest]

jeez I'm done with the nut job.....

See...You don't have any argument...Loser!!!

[PacDbest]

except this... :nut

OK.. I change it to Pac by 6th rd KO.

[1boricua]

Gomez KO Pac

[PacDbest]

Gomez KO Pac

What's your argument, Boricuannuthugger?

[mbandit]

So you think pac beats gomez at 122 because he has more power?Did you know that gomez fought Carlos zarate at 122 and zarate had way more power than pac at that weight, he had 50 wins and 48 by ko and gomez did perfectly well and koed him.Plus gomez had better boxing skills than pac and more power and he would be the stronger figther pac has ever faced.If pac was rocked and koed by lesser opponents he would be koed by gomez.

Gomez ko 5 rd.

[PacDbest]

So you think pac beats gomez at 122 because he has more power?Did you know that gomez fought Carlos zarate at 122 and zarate had way more power than pac at that weight, he had 50 wins and 48 by ko and gomez did perfectly well and koed him.Plus gomez had better boxing skills than pac and more power and he would be the stronger figther pac has ever faced.If pac was rocked and koed by lesser opponents he would be koed by gomez.

Gomez ko 5 rd.

Power is not the only thing I mentioned. The fact that Zarate & Gomez has KO loses at 122 while Pac has none at 122, 126 & 130. Everybody knows Pac has No defense yet he weathered 2 ATG, bunch of Champions, Bunch of undefeated & not even close of being stopped. MAB, JMM, EM & Ledwaba are all skilled Fighters & yet Pac makes them look old.

[Archie_Moore]

Pac doesn't have a granite chin either. At 122 Gomez taxes that ass.

He has a damn good chin, he's never been KOed from a chin shot. :good

[mbandit]

Thats were you are wrong my friend,Gomez never lost at 122 out of his 3 losses 2 were at 126 and 1 was at 130.Get your facts straight before you post you moron.

[reed_man02]

gomez by mid round ko.

[doknochrisan]

i'd give it to MP, late round KO or UD, that is if Gomez can slug it out with pac til the end.

[doknochrisan]

and for your information, MP's chin is quite strong too, his two ko losses were body shots from a local and a thai, he can be rocked by a chin shot, but never to a point where in he kissed the canvass, and mind you, he can take a body punch with the way they have developed his abdominal and chest muscles.

[psychopath]

he can be rocked by a chin shot, but never to a point where in he kissed the canvass

Hmmmm . . . do you know what you're saying here boii? :think

Don't get me wrong I'm a Pac fan too but you seems to be lost here. How long have you been a Pacfan? :lol: :huh

Nedal Hussein decked Pacquaio to the canvas on the fourth round when they fought at 122 weight class in October of 2000 with a right straight to the kisser. :yep

What can you say about that? :rasta

[psychopath]

Power is not the only thing I mentioned. The fact that Zarate & Gomez has KO loses at 122 while Pac has none at 122, 126 & 130.

Hey . . . hey . . . hey . . . what the fuck are you talking about? Gomez has K.O. loses at 122 ? :roll:

Godammit . . . he was undefeated at 122 he got his first loss when he went up in weight to fight Chava for the WBC Featherweight title (126). Are you changing history? :huh

Yeah Zarate maybe, but he was 52-0 48 KO's at 122 when he was defeated by Gomez. His first and only K.O. loss was to Gomez. He lost a SD to Lupe Pintor, TD to Jeff Fenech and a TKO loss to Daniel Zaragosa.

Stop mentioning what Pac has done at 126 and 130 because the thread clearly says at 122.

[johnco]

he never lost at 122, and gomez was a complete fighter not just a brawler

that was said before pac vs mab... now look what happened to mab :good

[JMotrain]

Gomez wins.
BTW Pac ain't no Salvador Sanchez

[PacDbest]

Thats were you are wrong my friend,Gomez never lost at 122 out of his 3 losses 2 were at 126 and 1 was at 130.Get your facts straight before you post you moron.


My Bad, but why he cowardly moved back to 122 after that loss to Sanchez?? Same as what Hatton did. I guess he figure out he has a Suspect Chin and History Proves that!!! He only moved up again to 126 when Sanchez Passed away. Why no Rematch???? Sounds Familiar..HMM.. Chickened out???

I Don't think he can survive Pac even at 122.

[PacDbest]

Gomez wins.
BTW Pac ain't no Salvador Sanchez

True!!! Pac is once in a lifetime Phenomenon. He's just Pacman the Original.

[PacDbest]

Hey . . . hey . . . hey . . . what the fuck are you talking about? Gomez has K.O. loses at 122 ? :roll:

Godammit . . . he was undefeated at 122 he got his first loss when he went up in weight to fight Chava for the WBC Featherweight title (126). Are you changing history? :huh

Yeah Zarate maybe, but he was 52-0 48 KO's at 122 when he was defeated by Gomez. His first and only K.O. loss was to Gomez. He lost a SD to Lupe Pintor, TD to Jeff Fenech and a TKO loss to Daniel Zaragosa.

Stop mentioning what Pac has done at 126 and 130 because the thread clearly says at 122.

122, 126 or 130... It doesn't matter Gomez clearly has no Chin. He's supposed to improve his chin as he moved up in weight as what Pac did!!! He's last KO loss comes from a Journeyman.

[psychopath]

122, 126 or 130... It doesn't matter Gomez clearly has no Chin. He's supposed to improve his chin as he moved up in weight as what Pac did!!! He's last KO loss comes from a Journeyman.

He's suppose to improve his chin as he move up? According to who? Is there a scientific basis for that? That's just your claim to back up your arguement.

We are both Pacfan dude, difference is you always get out of your way to back up your arguement with illogical views. The fact is moving up in weight makes a different effect on each individual fighter. It may benefit them or it put them in a disadvantage. In this case Gomez is not the fighter that he is when he is higher than 122 lbs. Is it hard to accept that?

Yeah his last K.O. came from a journeyman . . . but that was at 140. Do you know that? :lol:

At 122 lbs Gomez is 32-0 all by knockouts . . . Pac is 10-0-1, how the hell would you say that Gomez won't survive Pacman when he was held to a draw by Agapito Sanchez and was KDed by Nedal Hussein? The fact that Gomez K.O.ed a "killing machine" in Carlos Zarate (52-0)(48 KO's) How can you justify a guy with 10-0-1 record would beat Gomez?

Pac annihilates Gomes at 126 and 130, fine. :yep But Gomez owns Pac at 122, accept it. Gomez is at his peak at 122 while Pac is just peaking. Don't forget the fact that Pacquaio only became a complete fighter after his draw with Marquez.

[Pat_Lowe]

My Bad, but why he cowardly moved back to 122 after that loss to Sanchez?? Same as what Hatton did. I guess he figure out he has a Suspect Chin and History Proves that!!! He only moved up again to 126 when Sanchez Passed away. Why no Rematch???? Sounds Familiar..HMM.. Chickened out???

I Don't think he can survive Pac even at 122.

Its very difficult to have a rematch with a dead fighter you fool. Sanchez died in a car accident not that long after he fought Gomez. A rematch was in consideration

[PacDbest]

He's suppose to improve his chin as he move up? According to who? Is there a scientific basis for that? That's just your claim to back up your arguement.

We are both Pacfan dude, difference is you always get out of your way to back up your arguement with illogical views. The fact is moving up in weight makes a different effect on each individual fighter. It may benefit them or it put them in a disadvantage. In this case Gomez is not the fighter that he is when he is higher than 122 lbs. Is it hard to accept that?

Yeah his last K.O. came from a journeyman . . . but that was at 140. Do you know that? :lol:

At 122 lbs Gomez is 32-0 all by knockouts . . . Pac is 10-0-1, how the hell would you say that Gomez won't survive Pacman when he was held to a draw by Agapito Sanchez and was KDed by Nedal Hussein? The fact that Gomez K.O.ed a "killing machine" in Carlos Zarate (52-0)(48 KO's) How can you justify a guy with 10-0-1 record would beat Gomez?

Pac annihilates Gomes at 126 and 130, fine. :yep But Gomez owns Pac at 122, accept it. Gomez is at his peak at 122 while Pac is just peaking. Don't forget the fact that Pacquaio only became a complete fighter after his draw with Marquez.

Check your Facts again smartass. Gomez's early fights was mostly on 118 so he can't be 32-0 at 122. You can't just compare record on Paper & pick a winner just by picking whoever has the most wins.

I'll did my analysis by comparing Video, how they Fare against the best Competition, physical advantages,what are they're weaknesses, intangibles & overall greatness.

Pac could have moved up earlier at 122 & stay there until he retires at 122 & could have a 40-0 record at 122 but he would not earned his p4p status & Million Dollars right now if he stayed at 122 & didn't challenge those 2 ATGs at 126 & 130.

No way I pick Gomez even at 122. But still I won't convinced you guys coz the Fight can't be made.

[psychopath]

Check your Facts again smartass. Gomez's early fights was mostly on 118 so he can't be 32-0 at 122. You can't just compare record on Paper & pick a winner just by picking whoever has the most wins.

I'll did my analysis by comparing Video, how they Fare against the best Competition, physical advantages,what are they're weaknesses, intangibles & overall greatness.

Pac could have moved up earlier at 122 & stay there until he retires at 122 & could have a 40-0 record at 122 but he would not earned his p4p status & Million Dollars right now if he stayed at 122 & didn't challenge those 2 ATGs at 126 & 130.

No way I pick Gomez even at 122. But still I won't convinced you guys coz the Fight can't be made.

Mostly? Nah nah nah . . . Gomez started his career at 122 against Jacinto Fuentes which ended in a draw. Then he after 5 fights he move down to 118 and fought 5 fights alternately with 5 super bantam fights. The only fighters he fought at 118 were John Mesa, Jose Medel, Alberto Davila, Sak Lemptong and Andres Hernandez . . . now what mostly are you talking about?

Yeah you've done your analysis based on best competition. :yep

Here's their best competion at 122:

Gomez
Nicky Perez 40-1-0; TKO 5
Ruben Valdez 36-5-1; TKO 6/
Nestor Jimenez 66-12-2; TKO 5
Dong Kyun Yum 50-2-6; TKO 12
Tony Rocha 33-6-4;TKO 2
Carlos Zarate 52-0-0 (48 KO’s) TKO 5

Pacquaio
Reynante Jamili 41-5-0; TKO 2
Nedal Hussein 19-0-0; TKO 10 - but KDed Pac in the fourth with a right straight
Sakmuangklang 41-3-0; TKO 6
Jeorge Ellicier Julio 44-3-0; TKO 2
Agapito Sanchez 31-9-2; DRAW
Ledwaba 31-1-1; TKO 6

Who fought the better opposition? :D

Intangibles ? Yeah right . . .Pac was floored by a guy who has a record of 19-0 and held to a draw by a guy who has 31-9 record while Gomes KOed a guy with 52-0 record. How's that? :good


Weaknesses? Gomez was a well rounded fighter at 122 while Pac was a struggling fighter. Again I'll remind you that Pac became a complete fighter where he learned to use his right hand only after his draw with JMM which is at 126.

And don't forget that Pac's two loses are against guys who's heights were 5'4" . . . so don't ever think that a 5'5" Gomez has a disadvantage. :yep

Yeah he could have stayed at 122 until he retires . . . that's why now he doesn't even want to fight at 126 anymore because "according to him" he doesn't want to starve himself anymore :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah no way you'll pick Gomez . . . that's understandable . . . your handle clearly shows why. :rofl

[carras]

that was said before pac vs mab... now look what happened to mab :good

Gomez would starch MAB

[carras]

See...You don't have any argument...Loser!!!

Wrong...
I could go on trying to reason with you, but your blind love for pac won't let it happen, and i"m tired of dealing with you pathetic moron.

[carras]

Mostly? Nah nah nah . . . Gomez started his career at 122 against Jacinto Fuentes which ended in a draw. Then he after 5 fights he move down to 118 and fought 5 fights alternately with 5 super bantam fights. The only fighters he fought at 118 were John Mesa, Jose Medel, Alberto Davila, Sak Lemptong and Andres Hernandez . . . now what mostly are you talking about?

Yeah you've done your analysis based on best competition. :yep

Here's their best competion at 122:

Gomez
Nicky Perez 40-1-0; TKO 5
Ruben Valdez 36-5-1; TKO 6/
Nestor Jimenez 66-12-2; TKO 5
Dong Kyun Yum 50-2-6; TKO 12
Tony Rocha 33-6-4;TKO 2
Carlos Zarate 52-0-0 (48 KO’s) TKO 5

Pacquaio
Reynante Jamili 41-5-0; TKO 2
Nedal Hussein 19-0-0; TKO 10 - but KDed Pac in the fourth with a right straight
Sakmuangklang 41-3-0; TKO 6
Jeorge Ellicier Julio 44-3-0; TKO 2
Agapito Sanchez 31-9-2; DRAW
Ledwaba 31-1-1; TKO 6

Who fought the better opposition? :D

Intangibles ? Yeah right . . .Pac was floored by a guy who has a record of 19-0 and held to a draw by a guy who has 31-9 record while Gomes KOed a guy with 52-0 record. How's that? :good


Weaknesses? Gomez was a well rounded fighter at 122 while Pac was a struggling fighter. Again I'll remind you that Pac became a complete fighter where he learned to use his right hand only after his draw with JMM which is at 126.

And don't forget that Pac's two loses are against guys who's heights were 5'4" . . . so don't ever think that a 5'5" Gomez has a disadvantage. :yep

Yeah he could have stayed at 122 until he retires . . . that's why now he doesn't even want to fight at 126 anymore because "according to him" he doesn't want to starve himself anymore :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah no way you'll pick Gomez . . . that's understandable . . . your handle clearly shows why. :rofl

ouch....
owned by a fellow pacfan, that can't be good..:D:lol:

[PacDbest]

Psycho....Your analysis is like you're Playing Trading Cards, Grow up Boy.

Why is it that Gomez not at good at 126 & beyond while Pac was Stlll dominant there? Simple answer....Pac is Greater than Gomez.. Power & Chin wise.

Pac was Dropped by Hussein, But shows heart & come back on the same round & Dominate after that. He shows Heart, Does Gomez has that??

Sanchez should be DQed & everybody knows that.

Pac early loses is because he fought an experienced guy on his 11th fight when he's still a teenager. 2nd loss shouldn't happened if he is well managed & didn't fought on a weakened, dehydrated state.

Pac will bomb Gomez from the outside, Pac will make him miss. Pac's longer. Pac only has Problem with dirty & slick fighter.

Pac don't need to be a complete fighter to beat Gomez. Isn't it Pac is still one dimentional Left Bomber when he fought MAB on his first jump to 126??? We know what happened there.....

[PacDbest]

ouch....
owned by a fellow pacfan, that can't be good..:D:lol:

Hey Carras... don't ride on others analysis...Make your own...Show your smart.... I guess you're not!!!

[robert ungurean]

Bazzzoooooooooooka Gomez by KO

[Chert]

Mostly? Nah nah nah . . . Gomez started his career at 122 against Jacinto Fuentes which ended in a draw. Then he after 5 fights he move down to 118 and fought 5 fights alternately with 5 super bantam fights. The only fighters he fought at 118 were John Mesa, Jose Medel, Alberto Davila, Sak Lemptong and Andres Hernandez . . . now what mostly are you talking about?

Yeah you've done your analysis based on best competition. :yep

Here's their best competion at 122:

Gomez
Nicky Perez 40-1-0; TKO 5
Ruben Valdez 36-5-1; TKO 6/
Nestor Jimenez 66-12-2; TKO 5
Dong Kyun Yum 50-2-6; TKO 12
Tony Rocha 33-6-4;TKO 2
Carlos Zarate 52-0-0 (48 KO’s) TKO 5

Pacquaio
Reynante Jamili 41-5-0; TKO 2
Nedal Hussein 19-0-0; TKO 10 - but KDed Pac in the fourth with a right straight
Sakmuangklang 41-3-0; TKO 6
Jeorge Ellicier Julio 44-3-0; TKO 2
Agapito Sanchez 31-9-2; DRAW
Ledwaba 31-1-1; TKO 6

Who fought the better opposition? :D

Intangibles ? Yeah right . . .Pac was floored by a guy who has a record of 19-0 and held to a draw by a guy who has 31-9 record while Gomes KOed a guy with 52-0 record. How's that? :good


Weaknesses? Gomez was a well rounded fighter at 122 while Pac was a struggling fighter. Again I'll remind you that Pac became a complete fighter where he learned to use his right hand only after his draw with JMM which is at 126.

And don't forget that Pac's two loses are against guys who's heights were 5'4" . . . so don't ever think that a 5'5" Gomez has a disadvantage. :yep

Yeah he could have stayed at 122 until he retires . . . that's why now he doesn't even want to fight at 126 anymore because "according to him" he doesn't want to starve himself anymore :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah no way you'll pick Gomez . . . that's understandable . . . your handle clearly shows why. :rofl

you can also include under pac @122 :

Emmanuel Lucero 21-0-1; TKO 3
Fahprakorb Rafkkiatgym 37-2; KO 1
Seung-Kon Chae 23-0; KO 1

in fairness to pac, he also had a fantastic record as a 122lber. but i still have to give the edge to gomez @122 if we compare quality of opposition. gomez became a HOFer and legend due to his record at 122.

however, if we consider their records @126 and 130, pac definitely has the better one.

[carras]

Hey Carras... don't ride on others analysis...Make your own...Show your smart.... I guess you're not!!!
I already did, you just won't accept it, but it's ok, there's no way to convice you because you're a blind nuthugging piece of shit.
I can live with that.:good

[Chert]

@122, gomez wins. @126 and 130, i would have to go with pac.

[lightsout]

At 122 Gomez was a complete fighter. He could box, punch, he has a great defense and was an excellent counter puncher. He would have exposed Pac and picked him apart. At 126 and 130 he was starting to fade and was getting into coke and allot of partying. So that's why he lost his edge.

[carras]

exatcly @ 122 he was a very complete fighter.
If JMM gave pac trouble just think of what Gomez would do to him.

[PATSYS]

Pac by KO damnit!

[Chert]

exatcly @ 122 he was a very complete fighter.
If JMM gave pac trouble just think of what Gomez would do to him.
yep. i do consider both gomez and jmm being sort of coming from that same "mould" of complete boxer. but pac does have his speed, power, heart/tenacity and stamina to compensate for his being an apparent "incomplete" fighter. he has proven that throughout his career.

[istmeno]

Pac will bomb Gomez from the outside, Pac will make him miss. Pac's longer. Pac only has Problem with dirty & slick fighter.

this is why it is clear that you a cearly just a pac fan. you say that pac wil bomb gomez from the outside, but in the same sentence say that pac only has probems with dirty and slick fighters.

newsflash. at 122, bazooka gomez was as dirty and as slick as there ever was. and had dynamite in his fists.

[1boricua]

This guy is an ignorant idiot. He never saw Gomez fights, nor does he know who is this Gomez guy in this topic.

Gomez will KO Pac. For me, Gomez was one of the most complete boxers in boxing history. He had to be included in the Top 50 of all time. Everyone who saw him boxing at his prime had to be with me in my arguments.

[PacDbest]

Gomez will KO Pac. For me, Gomez was one of the most complete boxers in boxing history. He had to be included in the Top 50 of all time. Everyone who saw him boxing at his prime had to be with me in my arguments.

Check ESPN top 50 greatest... Gomez was not there. The guy Who KO him is there. Who else is there??? Two of Pac's KO victim EM & MAB was there on the list. What does it tell you??? Who do you think is Greater???

[ydnam2]

why don't you just make a poll here and get this all over with...by the way...gomez makes Pac look foolish:D

[theunderdog]

Check ESPN top 50 greatest... Gomez was not there. The guy Who KO him is there. Who else is there??? Two of Pac's KO victim EM & MAB was there on the list. What does it tell you??? Who do you think is Greater???

ei man, it's not about who's greater or lesser between the two. it doe not mean that because pac defeated mab and EM that he's already greater than a guy who is not in the top 50.

cmon man, you're old enough to realize that styles makes fights and that every match up is different. and besides, pac's best wins did not happen at 122. they were at 126 and 130, this is why many people are picking pac at 126 and 130 to deafeat bazooka. you have to admit that pac was very raw at 122. he only had a jab-straight combo, he lives and dies with it. DEAL WITH THAT!

[ravtrav]

Pac by KO damnit!:yep :yep :yep :good

[PacDbest]

Gomez will KO Pac. For me, Gomez was one of the most complete boxers in boxing history. He had to be included in the Top 50 of all time. Everyone who saw him boxing at his prime had to be with me in my arguments.

Complete??? He doesn't have a set of Granite Chin.

[johnco]

Pac by KO damnit!

:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy

[PacDbest]

ei man, it's not about who's greater or lesser between the two. it doe not mean that because pac defeated mab and EM that he's already greater than a guy who is not in the top 50.

cmon man, you're old enough to realize that styles makes fights and that every match up is different. and besides, pac's best wins did not happen at 122. they were at 126 and 130, this is why many people are picking pac at 126 and 130 to deafeat bazooka. you have to admit that pac was very raw at 122. he only had a jab-straight combo, he lives and dies with it. DEAL WITH THAT!

Why can't you get it Guys... Pac moved up to 126 coz there's no more Challenge at 122. Gomez Stay longer at 122 that's why he have a better Record there. The Key here is Gomez chin is questionable, He's hittable, He was KOed 3 times in his career. Pac Koed even the Granite Chinned Morales. Gomez style is perfect for Pac coz Gomez fought fire with fire, everybody knows nobody can messed with Pac in that department.

Pac very Raw at 122??? Fresh from 122 fight with Lucero, He moved up to 126 & Give MAB a beating of his life just months after Lucero. Don't tell me there's a Different skill level between 122 Pac who fought Lucero & The 126 Pac who beat up MAB???

[theunderdog]

Why can't you get it Guys... Pac moved up to 126 coz there's no more Challenge at 122. Gomez Stay longer at 122 that's why he have a better Record there. The Key here is Gomez chin is questionable, He's hittable, He was KOed 3 times in his career. Pac Koed even the Granite Chinned Morales. Gomez style is perfect for Pac coz Gomez fought fire with fire, everybody knows nobody can messed with Pac in that department.

Pac very Raw at 122??? Fresh from 122 fight with Lucero, He moved up to 126 & Give MAB a beating of his life just months after Lucero. Don't tell me there's a Different skill level between 122 Pac who fought Lucero & The 126 Pac who beat up MAB???


come on man, you know that pac improved vastly in the mab fight thought he still was a jab-straight fighter. he improved a lot! and i think he improves each and every fight, except perhaps in the solis fight. pac was good at 122 but nowhere near what he was at 126 and 130

here's a question for you. can yo name any fighter, past or present that could beat pac anywhere from 122-130? i just want to know who the fighters are, in you opinion, better than pac.

[JMotrain]

Wow the 4 nuthuggers come out of the woodwork and say pac wins. That's shocking...

[carras]

don't bother, his answer is quite obvious.....

[theunderdog]

don't bother, his answer is quite obvious.....


yup, i'm done arguing. i like pac and all but if he loses, a small part of me would be happy because nuthuggers can finally shut the hell up. the nuthuggers are really hurting pac's status here in esb because when they see pac fight, they remember outrageous comments by the fools rather than the way pac fights.

[la-califa]

Take away the knockdowns & Marquez would have had a fairly comfortable points win over Paquaio. Pac's a good come foreward pressure fighter, but he can be outboxed. Gomez had all the tools, Speed, Boxing ability & great power.

[theunderdog]

Take away the knockdowns & Marquez would have had a fairly comfortable points win over Paquaio. Pac's a good come foreward pressure fighter, but he can be outboxed. Gomez had all the tools, Speed, Boxing ability & great power.


you can't dude! that's just not how you analyze boxing. if i remember it right the scores were 115-110 pac, 115-110 jmm and 113-113. that means if you took away any round from any boxer, the outcome would have been entirely different. nonsense

[knockout]

you can't dude! that's just not how you analyze boxing. if i remember it right the scores were 115-110 pac, 115-110 jmm and 113-113. that means if you took away any round from any boxer, the outcome would have been entirely different. nonsenseSup! Theunderdog:hi: :smoke

[johnco]

Wow the 4 nuthuggers come out of the woodwork and say pac wins. That's shocking...
well we have our own brain that works..... :lol: thats all
so genius, what did you say when mab fought pac??? :D:patsch
did the majority of predictions went well???? :-(:-(

so if you want to clamp the nuthuggers and discourage their own opinion, i guess you have to apply for chinese citizenship and petition us over there.. :good:good

democracy is at work baby and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
unless esb turned into a communist site and you are the leader :hi:

[la-califa]

Entirelly my point. Marquez won three quarters of the rounds in the fight. & still ended up with a draw. The knockdowns actually saved Paquaio from a loss. Which most people still think Marquez deserved the nod.

[knockout]

well we have our own brain that works..... :lol: thats all
so genius, what did you say when mab fought pac??? :D:patsch
did the majority of predictions went well???? :-(:-(

so if you want to clamp the nuthuggers and discourage their own opinion, i guess you have to apply for chinese citizenship and petition us over there.. :good:good

democracy is at work baby and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
unless esb turned into a communist site and you are the leader :hi:Hey have you seen Rebe1?:smoke

[johnco]

Entirelly my point. Marquez won three quarters of the rounds in the fight. & still ended up with a draw. The knockdowns actually saved Paquaio from a loss. Which most people still think Marquez deserved the nod.

i guess you just didnt know that jmm fought a 1 fisted pac after the first round??? :huh:huh:D:D and pac was able to hang around :good

and jmm got a gift from one of the judges.. go figure... jmm should have went into submission :bbb

[johnco]

Hey have you seen Rebe1?:smoke

nope.... i miss that moron!! :oops::yep

[knockout]

yeah :yep

[psychopath]

Psycho....Your analysis is like you're Playing Trading Cards, Grow up Boy.

Why is it that Gomez not at good at 126 & beyond while Pac was Stlll dominant there? Simple answer....Pac is Greater than Gomez.. Power & Chin wise.

Pac was Dropped by Hussein, But shows heart & come back on the same round & Dominate after that. He shows Heart, Does Gomez has that??

Sanchez should be DQed & everybody knows that.

Pac early loses is because he fought an experienced guy on his 11th fight when he's still a teenager. 2nd loss shouldn't happened if he is well managed & didn't fought on a weakened, dehydrated state.

Pac will bomb Gomez from the outside, Pac will make him miss. Pac's longer. Pac only has Problem with dirty & slick fighter.

Pac don't need to be a complete fighter to beat Gomez. Isn't it Pac is still one dimentional Left Bomber when he fought MAB on his first jump to 126??? We know what happened there.....

Hey buddy you need to grow up not me. I clearly stated that Pac would annihilate Gomez at 126 or 130 so you should not be straying way out of context. The thread says 122.

To make it clear and short Gomez' max weight class is just 122 and this is where he is at best and at his peak. Now Pac at 122 is not a fighter which he is today.

I hope that's clear enough for you. :yep

[theunderdog]

yeah :yep

the poor guy does not even have a clue

[theunderdog]

Hey buddy you need to grow up not me. I clearly stated that Pac would annihilate Gomez at 126 or 130 so you should not be straying way out of context. The thread says 122.

To make it clear and short Gomez' max weight class is just 122 and this is where he is at best and at his peak. Now Pac at 122 is not a fighter which he is today.

I hope that's clear enough for you. :yep


not a chance bro. pacDbest would deny that 1 + 1 = 2 if pac told him to so

[PacDbest]

Hey buddy you need to grow up not me. I clearly stated that Pac would annihilate Gomez at 126 or 130 so you should not be straying way out of context. The thread says 122.

To make it clear and short Gomez' max weight class is just 122 and this is where he is at best and at his peak. Now Pac at 122 is not a fighter which he is today.

I hope that's clear enough for you. :yep

The Gomez that fight at 122, 126 & up is one person, same with Pac 112-130. Pac fought at 122 from age 21-24 & still 24 when he fought MAB at 126. Pac could be the best 122 ever if he stayed there. But he is Greater fighter than that, & seek Challenge 126 & beyond and Succeed. You can't say the same with Gomez coz Pac is a Greater fighter. If ever they fought at 122 when Pac 23-24 i think Pac can still KO Gomez coz History Proved He's got a China Chin. Pac 1-2 combination is enough to KO a Chin like that. That's my analysis & if you can't accept it, No Problem coz I can't accept your argument either. Just voiced out... It's heathy for the Forum. Don't turn this into Rebe1 style discussion. Where is that guy??? Last time I check, you(Psycho) & Rebe1 is in heated discussion. You didn't kill him don't ya???

[theunderdog]

The Gomez that fight at 122, 126 & up is one person, same with Pac 112-130. Pac fought at 122 from age 21-24 & still 24 when he fought MAB at 126. Pac could be the best 122 ever if he stayed there. But he is Greater fighter than that, & seek Challenge 126 & beyond and Succeed. You can't say the same with Gomez coz Pac is a Greater fighter. If ever they fought at 122 when Pac 23-24 i think Pac can still KO Gomez coz History Proved He's got a China Chin. Pac 1-2 combination is enough to KO a Chin like that. That's my analysis & if you can't accept it, No Problem coz I can't accept your argument either. Just voiced out... It's heathy for the Forum. Don't turn this into Rebe1 style discussion. Where is that guy??? Last time I check, you(Psycho) & Rebe1 is in heated discussion. You didn't kill him don't ya???


you know what's funny?? when i was reading your post, i remembered how pac would answer questions in english. you must really love the guy pacd. you even copied the way he talks.:yep

i'll ask you again, is there a fighter who fought from 130lbs. down, past or present, that would clearly beat pac in you opinion?

[puga_ni_nana]

come on man, you know that pac improved vastly in the mab fight thought he still was a jab-straight fighter. he improved a lot! and i think he improves each and every fight, except perhaps in the solis fight. pac was good at 122 but nowhere near what he was at 126 and 130


yeah i agree with this. pacquiao was very good in 122 but not as great in 126 and 130. the moment he stepped in 126, it was an entirely different pacquiao.

[PacDbest]

you know what's funny?? when i was reading your post, i remembered how pac would answer questions in english. you must really love the guy pacd. you even copied the way he talks.:yep

i'll ask you again, is there a fighter who fought from 130lbs. down, past or present, that would clearly beat pac in you opinion?

PBF & Whitaker are the guys who has the chance to outpoint Pac at 130 below. Their style is just the right antidote for Pac, but this will be a 50/50 fight. That's the reason i want to see Pac-PBF at a Catchweight below 140. Coz if Pac can beat PBF, that'll answer all our questions. It's the fight that will shut all Critics of Pac.

[psychopath]

:good The Gomez that fight at 122, 126 & up is one person, same with Pac 112-130. Pac fought at 122 from age 21-24 & still 24 when he fought MAB at 126. Pac could be the best 122 ever if he stayed there. But he is Greater fighter than that, & seek Challenge 126 & beyond and Succeed. You can't say the same with Gomez coz Pac is a Greater fighter. If ever they fought at 122 when Pac 23-24 i think Pac can still KO Gomez coz History Proved He's got a China Chin. Pac 1-2 combination is enough to KO a Chin like that. That's my analysis & if you can't accept it, No Problem coz I can't accept your argument either. Just voiced out... It's heathy for the Forum. Don't turn this into Rebe1 style discussion. Where is that guy??? Last time I check, you(Psycho) & Rebe1 is in heated discussion. You didn't kill him don't ya???

Nah I'm not turning this discussion into a Rebe1 type discussion :-( . . . infact you already started it I just didn't retaliate. You call me an wise ass remember? :D We're both Pacfan so enjoy the discussion. :good

The problem with you is you can't accept facts. How can Pac stayed at 122 when he's also having problem making the weight? You think it's instant decission for him to fight at 126? :lol: And it came right from his mouth that he won't be fighting at 126 anymore because he doesn't want to starve himself anymore. Have you heard of that? That means his body is still expanding at that point and there's no way he could have stayed at that weight or otherwise he'll be weight drained all the time.

There are fighters who can't adjust to heavier weights like Hatton looking like an ordinary fighter at 147, like Arce getting pummeled by Mijarez or like the great Flash Elorde being KOed by Ortiz that's a fact my friend, that's why you can't say that Pac could have defeated Gomez at 122 because he is a complete fighter at 126 and 130. :yep

Let's stick to 122.

[psychopath]

Aaahhhh . . . you're asking about Rebe1? :D

Forget about the guy . . . he's a complete moron. :lol:

Those kinds of posters who belong to the gay forums. :yep

[PacDbest]

:good

Nah I'm not turning this discussion into a Rebe1 type discussion :-( . . . infact you already started it I just didn't retaliate. You call me an wise ass remember? :D We're both Pacfan so enjoy the discussion. :good

The problem with you is you can't accept facts. How can Pac stayed at 122 when he's also having problem making the weight? You think it's instant decission for him to fight at 126? :lol: And it came right from his mouth that he won't be fighting at 126 anymore because he doesn't want to starve himself anymore. Have you heard of that? That means his body is still expanding at that point and there's no way he could have stayed at that weight or otherwise he'll be weight drained all the time.

There are fighters who can't adjust to heavier weights like Hatton looking like an ordinary fighter at 147, like Arce getting pummeled by Mijarez or like the great Flash Elorde being KOed by Ortiz that's a fact my friend, that's why you can't say that Pac could have defeated Gomez at 122 because he is a complete fighter at 126 and 130. :yep

Let's stick to 122.

Sorry man I thought you called me a Moron & Nuthugger that's why I used the word ass.

Pac only said he don't want to fight at anymore 122 coz he 's already become successful at 126 & make look easy. 122 & 126 Pac is almost the same!!!

[Thinman]

PBF & Whitaker are the guys who has the chance to outpoint Pac at 130 below. Their style is just the right antidote for Pac, but this will be a 50/50 fight. That's the reason i want to see Pac-PBF at a Catchweight below 140. Coz if Pac can beat PBF, that'll answer all our questions. It's the fight that will shut all Critics of Pac.

It is amazing how you try to tell us how to think.:yep :yep :yep You are a big fan of PAC, and you are doing a good job according to your knowledge, but this is one of the most stupid comments I have ever heard.

[theunderdog]

It is amazing how you try to tell us how to think.:yep :yep :yep You are a big fan of PAC, and you are doing a good job according to your knowledge, but this is one of the most stupid comments I have ever heard.

that was exactly what i was trying to prove when i asked him to tell me who he thinks would beat pac

i think this proves that pacdbest holds pac in mythic proportions and is either a part of pac's payroll, pac's distant relative or has a mancrush on pac. just dellusional

even pac himself won't be able to say the shit that pacd's talking about

[Thinman]

that was exactly what i was trying to prove when i asked him to tell me who he thinks would beat pac

i think this proves that pacdbest holds pac in mythic proportions and is either a part of pac's payroll, pac's distant relative or has a mancrush on pac. just dellusional

even pac himself won't be able to say the shit that pacd's talking about

I asked him the same question long time ago, and I provided a list of boxers from the '70s, '80s, '90s, and I did not receive an answer. Why? because he has no clue about many boxers who fought in that era. I....myself.....have no clue about other boxers, but I want to learn....however, Pacdbest and Co, pretend to know (If you can give an opinion to third parties, then you can say whatever you want) everything about boxing even though they have never followed boxing before. :yep

So, you figure that one out. :yep

[theHawtness]

Do you imagine a fight between Wilfredo Gomez vs. Pacquiao at 122 pounds. I choose Gomez by 7th round KO (obviously a well trained and not drinking nor drugging Gomez). (Gomez record 44 (42 ko's), 3, 1 (1974-1989)
pac dominated that division. pac is a natural 122lber. he walks around in just below 135 lbs. some 122lbers can even reach 140. pac by KO

[theunderdog]

pac dominated that division. pac is a natural 122lber. he walks around in just below 135 lbs. some 122lbers can even reach 140. pac by KO



do you even know wilfredo gomez? have you ever seen a single complete fight of his? yout talk like these legends ain't worth shit against pac. you need to learn a little respect dude.

and pac did not dominate 122! get your facts straight. the last thing we need in this forum is another nuthugger. pac fought nobodies except for ledwaba in that division. he was nailed by nedal hussein and needed a loooong count from the ref to stand up. he also got a gift stoppage. then he fought agapito sanchez and managed to get a draw. and don't even start with the "sanchez is a dirty fighter" excuse because he was deducted 2 points for low blows, he paid dearly for being dirty because if he wasn't deducted, he would have won that fight through split technical decision.


where the hell is the dominating part? he failed in his chance to unify belts. read you books, take some vitamins and learn some boxing boy.

[Chert]

do you even know wilfredo gomez? have you ever seen a single complete fight of his? yout talk like these legends ain't worth shit against pac. you need to learn a little respect dude.

and pac did not dominate 122! get your facts straight. the last thing we need in this forum is another nuthugger. pac fought nobodies except for ledwaba in that division. he was nailed by nedal hussein and needed a loooong count from the ref to stand up. he also got a gift stoppage. then he fought agapito sanchez and managed to get a draw. and don't even start with the "sanchez is a dirty fighter" excuse because he was deducted 2 points for low blows, he paid dearly for being dirty because if he wasn't deducted, he would have won that fight through split technical decision.


where the hell is the dominating part? he failed in his chance to unify belts. read you books, take some vitamins and learn some boxing boy.

actually, i wouldn't exactly call them nobodies... that would be too harsh since pac ko'd a lot of top contenders there like lucero, julio, sakmuangklang, rafkkiatgym, chae, jamili, etc. as well as champ ledwaba. but compared to gomez's legendary record as a 122lber, pac's resume at 122 does pale in comparison.

[theunderdog]

actually, i wouldn't exactly call them nobodies... that would be too harsh since pac ko'd a lot of top contenders there like lucero, julio, sakmuangklang, rafkkiatgym, chae, jamili, etc. as well as champ ledwaba. but compared to gomez's legendary record as a 122lber, pac's resume at 122 does pale in comparison.

ok let's do this one by one

lucero- good fighter but very raw against pac, in his last 6 fights he has an amazing record of 2-4. pac exposed him

julio- was a good fighter his record was also 2-4 in his last six fights. this dude was shot when pac fought him. in fact, he only had one other fight after pac, lost it then retired

jamili- 3-3 in last six fights, fought EM and was tko'd

rakkiatgym - defeated bobby pac. so what??

sakmuangklang - padded record. he fought and defeated one thai dude Thongcharoen Suwanasil ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (4-21-0 1ko). it's perfectly fine to have trilogies but this trilogy sucks. he defeated suwanasil thrice 2 by ko. the only live body he faced was guty espadas and he lost

chae, senrima - both fighters never fought outside their country before fighting pac.

get my drift?? nobodies

sanchez, ledwaba and hussein are the only once who posed as a threat to pac

[Chert]

ok let's do this one by one

lucero- good fighter but very raw against pac, in his last 6 fights he has an amazing record of 2-4. pac exposed him

julio- was a good fighter his record was also 2-4 in his last six fights. this dude was shot when pac fought him. in fact, he only had one other fight after pac, lost it then retired

jamili- 3-3 in last six fights, fought EM and was tko'd

rakkiatgym - defeated bobby pac. so what??

sakmuangklang - padded record. he fought and defeated one thai dude Thongcharoen Suwanasil ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (4-21-0 1ko). it's perfectly fine to have trilogies but this trilogy sucks. he defeated suwanasil thrice 2 by ko. the only live body he faced was guty espadas and he lost

chae, senrima - both fighters never fought outside their country before fighting pac.

get my drift?? nobodies

sanchez, ledwaba and hussein are the only once who posed as a threat to pac
you are referrring to these fighters in recent terms. actually, i was talking about their records WHEN they fought pac. they were all top contenders @122 during that time so they weren't exactly nobodies WHEN pac fought them. lucero and julio were definitely very good fighters during that time.

but like i said before, pac's resume @122 pales in comparison to the legendary record of wilfredo gomez as a 122lber. @126 and 130, it's another thing though.

[theunderdog]

you are referrring to these fighters in recent terms. actually, i was talking about their records WHEN they fought pac. they were all top contenders @122 during that time so they weren't exactly nobodies WHEN pac fought them. lucero and julio were definitely very good fighters during that time.

but like i said before, pac's resume @122 pales in comparison to the legendary record of wilfredo gomez as a 122lber. @126 and 130, it's another thing though.

no i wasn't man. lucero was raw when pac fought him! i referred to him in recent terms because pac exposed the guy. look at his record before pac then look at it after. it was a downward spiral. this just proves that he is not good enough for the big time.

and julio? come on man. that dude was shot. as i said, he fought just one more fight after pac, then he retired. if he was a top contender as you claim he was, shouldn't he have fought a few more times after he lost to pac but he didn't because he was shot!!!

you just believed they were good becaue pac's press release told you that they were good. they make it seem that each and every opponent pac faced to raise his stock. don't believe everything you read about man.

[ravtrav]

pac by ko











just face it!

[theunderdog]

Are there any fighters still fighting thats not shot???

pac's not shot. pbf, hatton, cotto, margarito, williams, calzaghe, mosley, jmm, guzman, soto, valero, de leon, r.marquez, vasquez, winky

want more?

[Jinx]

Pac was still kind of raw at 122, and Gomez would've put him in a casket at that weight...at 126 i'll take Pac...

[Thinman]

Trust me if Pac beats JMM, Guzman, Soto everyones say theyre all shot. Is Barerra shot?

Pac could/can only beat JMM and Guzman by tko/ko. If they end up on their feet without going down, then Pac will lose the fight. He can't beat an elite figther by decision. I am pretty sure of that. He can't beat a boxer, he can't do what Duran did against Leonard.

Barrera is past it, not completely shot, but his heart make it for the rest. He will try to fight the best he can, but if he doesn't go down at all in any round, then I think Barrera will win the fight.

[johnco]

gomez has glass chin..... pac would feast on him at 122 and 126 :bbb

[johnco]

Are you serious? In that case Pac has a glass chin. He has been KO'd by nobodies before, so he has a glass chin. At 122 Gomez takes Pac out no question.

pac chin at 122 is highly questionable. and if gomez connects to that chin then packy is gone. but I still like pac's chances at 122. for me it was his strongest, dropping his opponents like fly. both are brawlers, it is just a matter of who connects first

[Thinman]

pac chin at 122 is highly questionable. and if gomez connects to that chin then packy is gone. but I still like pac's chances at 122. for me it was his strongest, dropping his opponents like fly. both are brawlers, it is just a matter of who connects first

So you think 122 was the best weight class for Pac?

[theunderdog]

Gomez was more than a brawler, he was a good precise puncher who could pick the right shots, and he could box. He would outland Pac, and Gomez didn't need to land too many, and against someone with Pac's questionable defense, Gomez is putting him out.

dude, i've tried my very best to slap some sense into these nuthuggers and believe me, it will never worked. you'd totally own them and they would not even recognize it. your efforts will all be in vain. posters like pacdbest, johnco and 2 or 3 more esb posters have pac's cock so deep in their throats that they can't think straight

[pejevan]

we never grow tired of legend vs current fighters match-up. No one could really know the outcome. If you look at the old films, they fought entirely than today's fighters, except with the exception of the some slicksters like SRL. I do not know it must be "machismo". If you go a little farther, you will notice that fighters really slug it out, with some disregard to defense sometimes. So who knows what's the outcome. Although one thing is sure, Gomez is a formidable foe then and would do good if he was fighting today. JMM vs. Gomez would be a good match-up.

[DobyZhee]

I don't care who wins, it would be one helluva fight..

Pac probably gets owned by every other legend back then. Its fine by me. Kind of like basketball, how would today's greats match up with MJ, Kareem etc. In terms of boxing, has the sport evolutionized in terms of better skill for today's boxing athlete?

Seriously though, for the original poster..are you trying to make Pac less of a fighter because its logically possible that he couldn't beat past greats?

[PacDbest]

I am pinoy, but all the other pinoys in here are just PLAIN ignorant.

I doubt they even know who and how Gomez fought, had they not looked at boxrec to check his records.

To all the smartass pinoys, shut the fock up you ignorant fucks. Quit being 'boxing experts'. I doubt you'd be watching Boxing if Manny didn't make it bigtime.

Man, fact of the matter is that Boxing is rarely a sport here. Its a very minority sport here. It just exploded on the scene after Manny beat Barrera, then ignorant morons like Pacdbest, Chert, Ravtrav etc came into the picture, read message boards, read expert opinions, internalized and copied the best ones that they can get and make dumb ass arguments of how Manny is this and that.

Pinoys are dumb fucks who are good for nothing except become domestic servants of other races. Its so frustrating reading their ignorant comments and arguments because it does acentuate the stupidity of the Filipino nation.

Tangina mo!!

So you are the expert Ha!!!

This Gomez-Pac is just a fantasy matchup & cannot be proven who will win. We can just speculate . We have just have our own opinion in the match up.

What can we prove is who will be rated Higher in All time greatest list. So far Pac has accomplished more by Beating Great fighters after he moved several weight classes where Gomez failed.

[myk]

I am pinoy, but all the other pinoys in here are just PLAIN ignorant.

I doubt they even know who and how Gomez fought, had they not looked at boxrec to check his records.

To all the smartass pinoys, shut the fock up you ignorant fucks. Quit being 'boxing experts'. I doubt you'd be watching Boxing if Manny didn't make it bigtime.

Man, fact of the matter is that Boxing is rarely a sport here. Its a very minority sport here. It just exploded on the scene after Manny beat Barrera, then ignorant morons like Pacdbest, Chert, Ravtrav etc came into the picture, read message boards, read expert opinions, internalized and copied the best ones that they can get and make dumb ass arguments of how Manny is this and that.

Pinoys are dumb fucks who are good for nothing except become domestic servants of other races. Its so frustrating reading their ignorant comments and arguments because it does acentuate the stupidity of the Filipino nation.


Take it easy, would it be that hard for you if you just ignore them? :huh

[PacDbest]

You ARE clearly ignorant and your arguments are just plain stupid.

You embarrass the whole (already) dumb pinoy people with your baseless, non-sense, ignorant analysis and comments. You clearly don't know Boxing but yet you like to pretend and act like one.

I will tell you what, stop using your boss computer and start cleaning that desk. Pinoys will never be smart nor good in debates, like what you are pretending to be because we are small people who are better in doing manual labor than thinking deep topics. Let's face it. We are only pinoys. We are inferior to other races when in comes to debating and arguing.

Show me a pinoy who can argue and come up with impressive original ideas here, in Pacland, anywhere and I will take my words back.

Fuck you. Quit acting smart. You are dumb like me, and all pinoys like to pretend to be smart in all things.

Who uses more foul language??? You're a Classless MTFK!!! I'm done with you. I'll ignore you coz you're acting like Rebe1. Where's Rebe1??? Don't tell me you're Rebe1 reincarnation????:hi:

[pejevan]

I am pinoy, but all the other pinoys in here are just PLAIN ignorant.

I doubt they even know who and how Gomez fought, had they not looked at boxrec to check his records.

To all the smartass pinoys, shut the fock up you ignorant fucks. Quit being 'boxing experts'. I doubt you'd be watching Boxing if Manny didn't make it bigtime.

Man, fact of the matter is that Boxing is rarely a sport here. Its a very minority sport here. It just exploded on the scene after Manny beat Barrera, then ignorant morons like Pacdbest, Chert, Ravtrav etc came into the picture, read message boards, read expert opinions, internalized and copied the best ones that they can get and make dumb ass arguments of how Manny is this and that.

Pinoys are dumb fucks who are good for nothing except become domestic servants of other races. Its so frustrating reading their ignorant comments and arguments because it does acentuate the stupidity of the Filipino nation.

You are obviously a disgrace to the Pinoy. I do not know how old you are but as far as boxing is concerned, we probably know more than any other race. before boxing became a PPV event, boxing is a Sunday family event especially if boxers like Arguello, Gomez, Chavez, SRL, Ali, Tyson, etc. were fighting. It was free then. We never followed the careers of obscure fighters though.

I am a pinoy who had lived in New Zealand and Australia. And Most Pinoys I met are educated. It is insulting to generalize a nation and it shows your ignorance.

This is a forum and everybody is entitled to their own opinion. You are much worse than Ravtav, pacdbest, etc. At least these people worship someone they like but you denigrate a whole nation. And you consider yourself Pinoy? Obviously you do not know the Pinoy psyche. We are notoriously famous for "asaran", and when we are holding the "ace", we try to rub it in. That's just the Pinoy way.

[reed_man02]

You are obviously a disgrace to the Pinoy. I do not know how old you are but as far as boxing is concerned, we probably know more than any other race. before boxing became a PPV event, boxing is a Sunday family event especially if boxers like Arguello, Gomez, Chavez, SRL, Ali, Tyson, etc. were fighting. It was free then. We never followed the careers of obscure fighters though.

I am a pinoy who had lived in New Zealand and Australia. And Most Pinoys I met are educated. It is insulting to generalize a nation and it shows your ignorance.

This is a forum and everybody is entitled to their own opinion. You are much worse than Ravtav, pacdbest, etc. At least these people worship someone they like but you denigrate a whole nation. And you consider yourself Pinoy? Obviously you do not know the Pinoy psyche. We are notoriously famous for "asaran", and when we are holding the "ace", we try to rub it in. That's just the Pinoy way.

shut up dude. first off, pinoys dont know more about boxing than mexicans. next, why insult a pinoy WHO IS ACTUALLY MAKING SENSE!!! I assume the pinoy you quoted is tired of other pinoys going online and making a mockery of the pinoy race by saying pacman kos anyone in the history of boxing from 140 down.

what you dont realize that which the person you quoted does, is that pacman is VERY beatable. i think he is tired of fanboys representing the pinoy race and is here to show the rest of us that pinoys can be reasonable and smart unlike pacDbest and ravtav.:yep

[PacDbest]

You are obviously a disgrace to the Pinoy. I do not know how old you are but as far as boxing is concerned, we probably know more than any other race. before boxing became a PPV event, boxing is a Sunday family event especially if boxers like Arguello, Gomez, Chavez, SRL, Ali, Tyson, etc. were fighting. It was free then. We never followed the careers of obscure fighters though.

I am a pinoy who had lived in New Zealand and Australia. And Most Pinoys I met are educated. It is insulting to generalize a nation and it shows your ignorance.

This is a forum and everybody is entitled to their own opinion. You are much worse than Ravtav, pacdbest, etc. At least these people worship someone they like but you denigrate a whole nation. And you consider yourself Pinoy? Obviously you do not know the Pinoy psyche. We are notoriously famous for "asaran", and when we are holding the "ace", we try to rub it in. That's just the Pinoy way.

I don't thinK Angeldemonyo is a Pinoy.... I think he is a Mexican... I remember before his avatar is a Mexican Chick. A pure blooded pinoy don't post like this!!!

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[Only registered and activated users can see links] Re: Why Is Freddy Roach Avoiding Guzman??????
Cos Pacquio is trash, and Freddy knows it.

Who did Manny P. beat? OLD Morales, OLD Barrera, BUM 3k, BUM Solis, BUM Velasquez, SO-SO Larios.. Who did Manny beat?

He got beat and schooled by Marquez (but not after whacking, thumping, shredding JMM), right? Manny can be countered THAT easy. He should be an easy win versus guys with real boxing style like Joan Guzman, JM Marquez and whoever is there who can throw a jab, a decent right straight and can withstand a little (teeny weeny oprah's bikini) barrage of shock from Manny.

Manny is done. He is over rated. He shouldn't be pound for pound. He is a living myth. People shouldn't be talking of him, right Bonao?

[reed_man02]

I don't thing Angeldemonyo is a Pinoy.... I think he is a Mexican...

youre obvoiusly retarded. get off our nuts faggot, MEXICANS DONT HATE PACMAN. understand, in fact, we like pacman. i just dont understand why pinoys think mexicans hate pacman. is because pacman beat morales and barrera. if so, then why dont we hate raheem and junor jones? i still havent met a mexican boxing fan who doesnt like pacman.

i guess since you dont have a worthwhile rebuttal, its convenient for you pinoys to just say he is a bitter mexican. i understand, its the best you pacfans can do since you dont know much about boxing unlike angel_liu.:yep:deal:hat

[Minotauro]

At 122lbs Gomez wins he had everything great power, footwork and could box he would KO Pacquiao.

[boxbox]

You ARE clearly ignorant and your arguments are just plain stupid.

You embarrass the whole (already) dumb pinoy people with your baseless, non-sense, ignorant analysis and comments. You clearly don't know Boxing but yet you like to pretend and act like one.

I will tell you what, stop using your boss computer and start cleaning that desk. Pinoys will never be smart nor good in debates, like what you are pretending to be because we are small people who are better in doing manual labor than thinking deep topics. Let's face it. We are only pinoys. We are inferior to other races when in comes to debating and arguing.

Show me a pinoy who can argue and come up with impressive original ideas here, in Pacland, anywhere and I will take my words back.

Fuck you. Quit acting smart. You are dumb like me, and all pinoys like to pretend to be smart in all things.




aww..poor you...must suck being pinoy then? well these traits you're showing definitely isnt pinoy, nice job stooping to that level, proves your point:-(, now go bash some more of our coutrymen!:good

[PacDbest]

youre obvoiusly retarded. get off our nuts faggot, MEXICANS DONT HATE PACMAN. understand, in fact, we like pacman. i just dont understand why pinoys think mexicans hate pacman. is because pacman beat morales and barrera. if so, then why dont we hate raheem and junor jones? i still havent met a mexican boxing fan who doesnt like pacman.

i guess since you dont have a worthwhile rebuttal, its convenient for you pinoys to just say he is a bitter mexican. i understand, its the best you pacfans can do since you dont know much about boxing unlike angel_liu.:yep:deal:hat

I'm not talking to you!!! Why don't you & your angel suc each others dicks!!! fags!!

[johnco]

dude, i've tried my very best to slap some sense into these nuthuggers and believe me, it will never worked. you'd totally own them and they would not even recognize it. your efforts will all be in vain. posters like pacdbest, johnco and 2 or 3 more esb posters have pac's cock so deep in their throats that they can't think straight

what a moron.....! so we cant voice out our opinion?? did you read my reasoning retard???? damn this site is turning into chinese xinghua agency :patsch:patsch:patsch

[johnco]

I am pinoy, but all the other pinoys in here are just PLAIN ignorant.

I doubt they even know who and how Gomez fought, had they not looked at boxrec to check his records.

To all the smartass pinoys, shut the fock up you ignorant fucks. Quit being 'boxing experts'. I doubt you'd be watching Boxing if Manny didn't make it bigtime.

Man, fact of the matter is that Boxing is rarely a sport here. Its a very minority sport here. It just exploded on the scene after Manny beat Barrera, then ignorant morons like Pacdbest, Chert, Ravtrav etc came into the picture, read message boards, read expert opinions, internalized and copied the best ones that they can get and make dumb ass arguments of how Manny is this and that.

Pinoys are dumb fucks who are good for nothing except become domestic servants of other races. Its so frustrating reading their ignorant comments and arguments because it does acentuate the stupidity of the Filipino nation.

i would like to challenge this guys educational attainment and for sure hell grab his crouch if he finds out his brain is nowhere mine!!! :thumbsup
this is a retard that should be put as a cannon ball and sent to siberian wilderness .......

" boxing sports is minority" ...... what a pretender fan and dumbass hahahaha... straighten your facts wannabee...

and for the record pac fans dont claim they are expert.... they are voicing there opinion about pac and the rest. cause if they are experts, they are at other forums dissecting the other greats. so go figure retard!!!:deal

[johnco]

shut up dude. first off, pinoys dont know more about boxing than mexicans. next, why insult a pinoy WHO IS ACTUALLY MAKING SENSE!!! I assume the pinoy you quoted is tired of other pinoys going online and making a mockery of the pinoy race by saying pacman kos anyone in the history of boxing from 140 down.

what you dont realize that which the person you quoted does, is that pacman is VERY beatable. i think he is tired of fanboys representing the pinoy race and is here to show the rest of us that pinoys can be reasonable and smart unlike pacDbest and ravtav.:yep

well coming from pinoys favorite whipping boy red manure nothing is spectacular.. of course he thinks he knows his boxing until pac came along :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[johnco]

aww..poor you...must suck being pinoy then? well these traits you're showing definitely isnt pinoy, nice job stooping to that level, proves your point:-(, now go bash some more of our coutrymen!:good

he's raped by his dad when he was 10..... poor guy :lol::lol:

[knockout]

he's raped by his dad when he was 10..... poor guy :lol::lol:whats going on man? must every pac tread be like this:lol: :rofl

[johnco]

whats going on man? must every pac tread be like this:lol: :rofl
angel liu wants to become white...... thats all :nut:nut:patsch:patsch

[knockout]

why is that?

[RafaelGonzal]

at 122 Gomez is a monster and he has too much boxing skill and movement for the Pacman. Gomez KO round 7, at 126 Gomez by Decision at 130 Pacman wins. A motivated in shape Gomez Boxes way too much for Pac and has KO power as well. I think PAC is best at 130 and takes Gomez there.

[johnco]

why is that?

ask him? i guess hes tired of being pinoy :lol:

[knockout]

that fuckin sell out.

[knockout]

Hey angel_liu why dont you shoot yourself:lol: :smoke put one in your ego.

[Morrissey]

I am pinoy, but all the other pinoys in here are just PLAIN ignorant.

I doubt they even know who and how Gomez fought, had they not looked at boxrec to check his records.

To all the smartass pinoys, shut the fock up you ignorant fucks. Quit being 'boxing experts'. I doubt you'd be watching Boxing if Manny didn't make it bigtime.

Man, fact of the matter is that Boxing is rarely a sport here. Its a very minority sport here. It just exploded on the scene after Manny beat Barrera, then ignorant morons like Pacdbest, Chert, Ravtrav etc came into the picture, read message boards, read expert opinions, internalized and copied the best ones that they can get and make dumb ass arguments of how Manny is this and that.

Pinoys are dumb fucks who are good for nothing except become domestic servants of other races. Its so frustrating reading their ignorant comments and arguments because it does acentuate the stupidity of the Filipino nation.

:huh

[ravtrav]

I am pinoy, but all the other pinoys in here are just PLAIN ignorant.

I doubt they even know who and how Gomez fought, had they not looked at boxrec to check his records.

To all the smartass pinoys, shut the fock up you ignorant fucks. Quit being 'boxing experts'. I doubt you'd be watching Boxing if Manny didn't make it bigtime.

Man, fact of the matter is that Boxing is rarely a sport here. Its a very minority sport here. It just exploded on the scene after Manny beat Barrera, then ignorant morons like Pacdbest, Chert, Ravtrav etc came into the picture, read message boards, read expert opinions, internalized and copied the best ones that they can get and make dumb ass arguments of how Manny is this and that.

Pinoys are dumb fucks who are good for nothing except become domestic servants of other races. Its so frustrating reading their ignorant comments and arguments because it does acentuate the stupidity of the Filipino nation.THANKS FOR THE SHOUT OUT BUT ONE I'M AMERICAN AND TWO PAC CAN BEAT EVERYBODY 135LBS AND BELOW INCLUDING A GRIZZLE BEAR. IF YOU TAKE THAT SERIOUS THE JOKES ON YOU DUMBASS:hi:

[EpsilonAxis]

i'd probably favor pacquaio.

Although i think everyone agrees that Pac has improved much since his days at 122, and is a much more well-rounded fighter at 126-130.

[puga_ni_nana]

I am pinoy, but all the other pinoys in here are just PLAIN ignorant.

I doubt they even know who and how Gomez fought, had they not looked at boxrec to check his records.

To all the smartass pinoys, shut the fock up you ignorant fucks. Quit being 'boxing experts'. I doubt you'd be watching Boxing if Manny didn't make it bigtime.

Man, fact of the matter is that Boxing is rarely a sport here. Its a very minority sport here. It just exploded on the scene after Manny beat Barrera, then ignorant morons like Pacdbest, Chert, Ravtrav etc came into the picture, read message boards, read expert opinions, internalized and copied the best ones that they can get and make dumb ass arguments of how Manny is this and that.

Pinoys are dumb fucks who are good for nothing except become domestic servants of other races. Its so frustrating reading their ignorant comments and arguments because it does acentuate the stupidity of the Filipino nation.

yeah pinoys are the dumbest people on earth. they do not know anything about boxing except pacman. they are delusional because they think pac is an elite fighter because he beats over-the-hill and shot fighters like barrera and morales. pac is just a trash and soon he will be exposed.

[johnco]

THANKS FOR THE SHOUT OUT BUT ONE I'M AMERICAN AND TWO PAC CAN BEAT EVERYBODY 135LBS AND BELOW INCLUDING A GRIZZLE BEAR. IF YOU TAKE THAT SERIOUS THE JOKES ON YOU DUMBASS:hi:

go ravtav go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup

[hellblazer]

Pac by KO

Trade Mark? :D

Pac by late round TKO!! :bbb

[theunderdog]

You are right, pinoys don't know enough about Boxing even so-called TV Boxing commentators don't know much.

But yet, message boards like Eastside is littered with pretenders who like to argue but with opinions that you have copied from somebody else from another messageboard.

Why can't you be content in being domestic helpers, manual laborers etc rather than being smartasses in Boxing boards.


but you just said you were also fiilipino. you'd better change all the "you" to "we" in that statement

racial comments from a filipino to other filipinos. wow.

[knockout]

aye dog dont mind that egolistic worm thats what he wants,just fuck that guy.:smoke

[theunderdog]

Because I don't pretend to be a boxing expert and claim that Manny Pacquio will beat everyone in history including Duran, Pep, Sanchez, Arguello, Chavez, Floyd Mayweather etc, like 99.9% of ignorant pinoys in this message board.

Because I don't shame myself and the people I represent with stupid comments and claims of how Manny is super great and how he is invincible.

I guess its true that pinoys are monkeys. Once a monkey always a monkey.


:tired


though i don't deny that the are some dumb pinoy fucks out here. there are still some that don't overhype pac. it's kind of rude to call a whole country as monkeys when you are one and specially when you base it on an internet boxing forum. don't you think you're overacting a little?

if you don't agree with the comments of the other filipinos, then say that you don't agree. debate with them, try to own them through boxing discussions. or, like many here, don't mind them. but really, calling filipinos monkeys is a little over the edge. it's either you're not a real filipino or you're the biggest ass kisser ever.

[myk]

The truth is, pinoy posers are iver doing it and they are bringing the WHOLE pinoy nation down with their ignorant comments.

Give me one message board that respects and hold a pinoy fan in high esteem. I bet you can't cos all of Internet pinoys are dumb fucking monkeys.

You run a poll of the most stupid fans and guess which nation will come out as the unanimous winner. Pinoys are rude, classless incompentent, non deep thinking monkeys. That's a fact.


You just called yourself a dumb fucking monkey. :lol:

[theunderdog]

The truth is, pinoy posers are iver doing it and they are bringing the WHOLE pinoy nation down with their ignorant comments.

Give me one message board that respects and hold a pinoy fan in high esteem. I bet you can't cos all of Internet pinoys are dumb fucking monkeys.

You run a poll of the most stupid fans and guess which nation will come out as the unanimous winner. Pinoys are rude, classless incompentent, non deep thinking monkeys. That's a fact.

because of the internet and some young kids who don't know shit what they're talking aboiut, you diss a whole nation? grow up dude. the world is so much larger than the four corners of you mom's basement. if you can't stand filipino posters, what the hell are you doing here? and don't tell me crap about having no choice. because you have. now if you can't stand filipino posters, walk away.

ps. polls about message boards don't mean shit. i think you're spending way too much time on the internet

[theunderdog]

I came out to slap ignorant monkeys awake. To let them know of how damaging their stupidity is to the Filipino nation.

Stop coming up with dumb arguments of how Manny will beat all of the great fighters from the past (Duran, Arguello, etc) , or even the great, bigger fighters of the present (PBF)

you're no jesus

[puga_ni_nana]

You are right, pinoys don't know enough about Boxing even so-called TV Boxing commentators don't know much.

But yet, message boards like Eastside is littered with pretenders who like to argue but with opinions that you have copied from somebody else from another messageboard.

Why can't you be content in being domestic helpers, manual laborers etc rather than being smartasses in Boxing boards.


me? copying message from somebody else?? of course not. that was quite original. :patsch

so you're not contented being a helper that's why you post?

[Caper]

Why do you bother arguing on a Pacquiao thread with someone with the screen name "PacDBest"??

Exactly!!!! :yep :good

Totally delusional and biased to the fullest extent. Gomez was the best fighter I've ever seen at 122lbs he was at his highest point. Gomez is actually the more complete fighter and at 122lbs Pac was more vunerable while Gomez was at his peak. It would have been exciting while it lasted but Gomez would have stopped Pac somewhere around the 9th or 10th round.

[King Dan]

At 122, Gomez wins.

At 126 and 130, probably Pacquiao.

Agreed.

[Chert]

ok. why all of a sudden am i labeled a pac nuthugger? :huh i may be a fan of pac but i sure as hell know his limitations. gomez became a HOFer and a legend due to his record as a 122lber. pac's record at 122 although quite good pales very much in comparison to gomez's. @126 and 130 though, pac does have a better resume.

that's why i agree with the others here when they say that gomez beats pac @122. but @126 and 130, pac probably wins.

[Ared]

Angel Liu... Shut up.

You claim to be pro-pinoy but here you are dissing a whole race. No, you did not just insult PacDBest, or ravtrav but you insulted every filipino who could read this.

True, I do not necessarily agree with PacDBest or ravtrav, but fact is, you were the one who made a generalization, that all Filipino's are ignorant. In many respects, your so called care for the Filipino is not only shown to be two-faced but undeniably self-serving.

I for one do not like PacDBest or RavTrav who both claim to be from different countries but are so obviously Filipino. I do not like them because they do not make sound arguments (even though they claim to) ever. But even in their blinded nuthugging I still respect them for being Filipinos.

But most of all, I don't like you and your pretentious ass. Your Im oh so better than the rest of these fuckwits attitude. Grow up. The only one ignorant here is you.

[johnco]

I came out to slap ignorant monkeys awake. To let them know of how damaging their stupidity is to the Filipino nation.

Stop coming up with dumb arguments of how Manny will beat all of the great fighters from the past (Duran, Arguello, etc) , or even the great, bigger fighters of the present (PBF)

how dare you compare pac with the quitters!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-(
i am a pac nuthugger but i am entitled to my opinion.. that includes fellow pinoy posters. this is not xinghua agency please...
i am proud pinoy no matter what even though i am an americanized..
pinoy d best yan!!!!! :good:good

[doknochrisan]

Hmmmm . . . do you know what you're saying here boii? :think

Don't get me wrong I'm a Pac fan too but you seems to be lost here. How long have you been a Pacfan? :lol: :huh

Nedal Hussein decked Pacquaio to the canvas on the fourth round when they fought at 122 weight class in October of 2000 with a right straight to the kisser. :yep

What can you say about that? :rasta

Sorry for not responding, been out for some reasons..., but you were right, forgot about that controversial fight already, and I've been a Pac fan since he was in blow by blow. Well I guess he still has a solid chin despite being hit by Morales, Larios and Barrera. Thanks for reminding though...:cool:

[theunderdog]

Are you in any way whatsoever trying to say Pac is anywhere even close to as good as Duran? You Pinoys are a bunch of idiots, even one of your very own called his own people that the other day because of your ridiculous nuthuggery of Pacquiao. He's not an ATG, get over it, many would beat 130 and under of all time.


bro, take it easy. not all are.

but johnco definitely is. with that, he already said that he is a nuthugger. how low can he go?? he called himself the worst possible name you could call a boxing fan.

they talk that way because they immitate the boxing news writers in the philippines, seriously, read any article by a filipino boxing writer and it will sound more of a pres release than a news artice. they were the ones that came up with shit like EM broke a couple of ribs and vomitted blood after the second match with pac or something like that.


anyway, he labelled duran as a quitter because the poor guy only knows duran as "that fighter who said no mas against one fighter at one point in time." trying to argue with them is like a dog running after its tail. you'll go round and round

[theunderdog]

I went too far with that, I apologize, I get worked up easy. They are some pretty ridiculous fans though for the most part. I agree, he has no clue who Duran really is.


it's all good man. i blew up too at the pacquiao thread earlier. i guess the nuthuggers affect us the same way.

anyway, with regards to the real topic of this thread, i think, like sane most people here, that gomez beats pac at 122 via late round tko. but pac improved a lot when he stepped up at 126 moreso at 130 so so pac beats him there. another thing is bazooka fought at 126 after he peaked so he'll have a hard time against pac

bazooka peaked at 122
pac peaking at 126-130
i guess you'll agree with that

[theunderdog]

At 122, Gomez all the way. At 130, Pac all the way. At 126, close fight, could go either way for me, I really couldn't call.

that's fair enough:good

[johnco]

Are you in any way whatsoever trying to say Pac is anywhere even close to as good as Duran? You Pinoys are a bunch of idiots, even one of your very own called his own people that the other day because of your ridiculous nuthuggery of Pacquiao. He's not an ATG, get over it, many would beat 130 and under of all time.

dont get me wrong bro... duran is great but i am not going to lick his balls for someone who is a quitter.......

let me put this way... if you are a hiring manager and you have this applicant.. resume harvard grad, straight A's, but when you called his employers they said he is a quitter and reasoning for this is he couldnt stand the pressure.. will you hire that guy??? :-(:-(:-(:-( yes, impressive resume but a quitter doesnt warrant licking of balls... :good

as i have said this site is not xinghua agency and i am entitled to my opinion. duran or evey great right there have always the greater chance. but please pac is pound per pound numero dos for christs sake... pac is no cabby driver that duran fought please!!!!

you got your opinion i have mine.. pac is not yet there and i am not saying hes at par with duran. but i like his chances at 130 below against the great. not more than that. you can make an argument that pac is nothing above 130 because he aint prove anything yet, but below he got his chance. this is no nuthugging bro but all i am saying is if someone made duran quit, i dont see any reason that a POUND PER POUND NUMERO DOS is capable of doing the same feat.... got it...
:bbb:bbb

[theunderdog]

dont get me wrong bro... duran is great but i am not going to lick his balls for someone who is a quitter.......

let me put this way... if you are a hiring manager and you have this applicant.. resume harvard grad, straight A's, but when you called his employers they said he is a quitter and reasoning for this is he couldnt stand the pressure.. will you hire that guy??? :-(:-(:-(:-( yes, impressive resume but a quitter doesnt warrant licking of balls... :good

as i have said this site is not xinghua agency and i am entitled to my opinion. duran or evey great right there have always the greater chance. but please pac is pound per pound numero dos for christs sake... pac is no cabby driver that duran fought please!!!!

you got your opinion i have mine.. pac is not yet there and i am not saying hes at par with duran. but i like his chances at 130 below against the great. not more than that. you can make an argument that pac is nothing above 130 because he aint prove anything yet, but below he got his chance. this is no nuthugging bro but all i am saying is if someone made duran quit, i dont see any reason that a POUND PER POUND NUMERO DOS is capable of doing the same feat.... got it...
:bbb:bbb


and pac bravely fought after he was hit with a body punch by medgoen? quitting is a part of boxing. sometimes you just say, "to hell with it" to fight another day. instead of putting it all on the line and getting killed. that's why there are tko's is for fighters who can't defend themselves anymore but are not smart enough to quit.

look at EM, it is clear that he could have gotten up after the third KD against pac. but he didn't. if he did, he would have gotten beaten up badly to the point that his health would have been in serious danger. but he did say no more and now he gets a crack at the 135 championship.

it's true that fighters who leave it all in the ring are to be respected. but sometimes you just have to swallow you pride and admit that you're having a bad day.

oh and the cabby driver idea is so original.

[boxbox]

You are right, pinoys don't know enough about Boxing even so-called TV Boxing commentators don't know much.

But yet, message boards like Eastside is littered with pretenders who like to argue but with opinions that you have copied from somebody else from another messageboard.

Why can't you be content in being domestic helpers, manual laborers etc rather than being smartasses in Boxing boards.


so tell me, are you a domestic helper? laborer?...stop crying! its you who's making a fool of the pinoys here by generalizing..if you're taking all these personally then specify those few pinoys here that you're babbling about, if being a laborer or helper is all you know of what pinoys are capable of then its time people here start ignoring you too:hi:

[PacDbest]

I just watch Gomez vs Laporte, it's part of my collection. Just watching Laporte give Gomez a hard time for 15 rounds makes me think that Gomez really have no chance to beat Pacquiao. Laporte is good but He lost in all his Big fights all through his career & Gomez can't put him Away?

Gomez style remind me of Cotto. They almost have the same speed & Style. But the Problem is Pac speed at 122 is almost twice the speed of gomez. Don't tell me Gomez has the best defense to survive Pac? Gomez no match for Pac!!! I suggest you watch this fight first before u bash me.

[PacDbest]

Ok well then Pac having trouble with Marquez and losing to Morales makes me think he would have no chance with Gomez, how bout that? I can do that too. It's a matter of styles, Pacquiao is not master boxer.

Marquez didn't win, He just got lucky Pac Broke his hand & the stupid judge Didn't know how to score. Don't you know what happened in Pac-EM's trilogy? Morales won the first but Pac got the cut & Morales cheat by not allowing pac to wear Cleto reyes. By the way both Morales & Marquez will end up in the HOF & top p4p mainstay. Laporte is not even close to be in that league.

[Thinman]

Marquez didn't win, He just got lucky Pac Broke his hand & the stupid judge Didn't know how to score. Don't you know what happened in Pac-EM's trilogy? Morales won the first but Pac got the cut & Morales cheat by not allowing pac to wear Cleto reyes. By the way both Morales & Marquez will end up in the HOF & top p4p mainstay. Laporte is not even close to be in that league.

You think that just because somebody won't make it to the WOF then, he doesnt' have a shot to defeat somebody else?:patsch

The problem you have is that you think that because PAC can defeat MAB or EM then he can defeat anybody else. Do you know that MAB and EM probably won't even make it to the top 40/50? Do you want to make a resume for Pac based on two boxers? Do you think that a resume it is built based on two boxers?

Pac won't beat Gomez at 122, but you can not accept that. The question is who can beat Pac?

Somebody else asked you this question before. I insist, tell me who do you think can beat Pac, any fighter past or present, at 122. 126 or 130 and please don't give me the stupid answer you came with at that time.

Please tell me how you think Pac could beat Gomez, Sanchez, Arguello. This is just to start. Explain to me the way you think he can defeat those three guys I just mentioned. Tell me how? :think Can he win a decission? Please explain? :think

[PacDbest]

You think that just because somebody won't make it to the WOF then, he doesnt' have a shot to defeat somebody else?:patsch

The problem you have is that you think that because PAC can defeat MAB or EM then he can defeat anybody else. Do you know that MAB and EM probably won't even make it to the top 40/50? Do you want to make a resume for Pac based on two boxers? Do you think that a resume it is built based on two boxers?

Pac won't beat Gomez at 122, but you can not accept that. The question is who can beat Pac?

Somebody else asked you this question before. I insist, tell me who do you think can beat Pac, any fighter past or present, at 122. 126 or 130 and please don't give me the stupid answer you came with at that time.

Please tell me how you think Pac could beat Gomez, Sanchez, Arguello. This is just to start. Explain to me the way you think he can defeat those three guys I just mentioned. Tell me how? :think Can he win a decission? Please explain? :think

You know what? you should change your name to Thinhead instead. You want me to accept that pac won't beat Gomez??? I'm not like you I have my own opinion & I backed up with analysis.

Here's for you, Can you name a fighter better than MAB, EM & JMM, from 1995-Present on 122-130 weight-class during their time at that weightclass?????

Then name me who's a better fighter than Gomez at 122-130 during his era???

[reed_man02]

You think that just because somebody won't make it to the WOF then, he doesnt' have a shot to defeat somebody else?:patsch

The problem you have is that you think that because PAC can defeat MAB or EM then he can defeat anybody else. Do you know that MAB and EM probably won't even make it to the top 40/50? Do you want to make a resume for Pac based on two boxers? Do you think that a resume it is built based on two boxers?

Pac won't beat Gomez at 122, but you can not accept that. The question is who can beat Pac?

Somebody else asked you this question before. I insist, tell me who do you think can beat Pac, any fighter past or present, at 122. 126 or 130 and please don't give me the stupid answer you came with at that time.

Please tell me how you think Pac could beat Gomez, Sanchez, Arguello. This is just to start. Explain to me the way you think he can defeat those three guys I just mentioned. Tell me how? :think Can he win a decission? Please explain? :think

dont hold your breath.

what this kid doesnt understand is pac lost to a past his prime morales and then beat him in two of morales' last fights. morales was still good, but it wasnt the same morales who fought barrera the first time when he was at his best. not only that, morales isnt in anyones top 10 130 pound fighters. sanchez kos azuma nelson at 126, who is a great feather and atg super feather. see, no comparsion.

[carras]

damn, this thread went crazy........

[Thinman]

You know what? you should change your name to Thinhead instead. You want me to accept that pac won't beat Gomez??? I'm not like you I have my own opinion & I backed up with analysis.

Here's for you, Can you name a fighter better than MAB, EM & JMM, from 1995-Present on 122-130 weight-class during their time at that weightclass?????

Then name me who's a better fighter than Gomez at 122-130 during his era???

Just fucking tell me how Pac could defeat those boxers. Period. Don't change the subject. We can talk about that latter. Explain to me how Pac would defeat those boxers. It is Pac against those boxers, one on one in the ring, now you tell me what kind of fight he would have to fight in order to defeat those boxers.

[Thinman]

dont hold your breath.

what this kid doesnt understand is pac lost to a past his prime morales and then beat him in two of morales' last fights. morales was still good, but it wasnt the same morales who fought barrera the first time when he was at his best. not only that, morales isnt in anyones top 10 130 pound fighters. sanchez kos azuma nelson at 126, who is a great feather and atg super feather. see, no comparsion.

Not kidding. I believe that Nelson would kick hi ass.

[PacDbest]

dont hold your breath.

what this kid doesnt understand is pac lost to a past his prime morales and then beat him in two of morales' last fights. morales was still good, but it wasnt the same morales who fought barrera the first time when he was at his best. not only that, morales isnt in anyones top 10 130 pound fighters. sanchez kos azuma nelson at 126, who is a great feather and atg super feather. see, no comparsion.

Is nelson an ATg & P4p fighter when he fought Sanchez??? Nelson is just a Replacement & only 15-0 at that time. Look who'e stupid now!!!

Morales not the same as on the Pac 1st fight & 10 months later on the 2nd fight???
.
MAB that fought Pac not the same as the Hamed fight. So who's MAB will be on Pac next fight???

You guys have so many excuses. It's not a coincidence that Pac KOed both & Almost finished JMM in 1 rd & take Larios as tune up.

[Thinman]

Is nelson an ATg & P4p fighter when he fought Sanchez??? Nelson is just a Replacement & only 15-0 at that time. Look who'e stupid now!!!

Morales not the same as on the Pac 1st fight & 10 months later on the 2nd fight???
.
MAB that fought Pac not the same as the Hamed fight. So who's MAB will be on Pac next fight???

You guys have so many excuses. It's not a coincidence that Pac KOed both & Almost finished JMM in 1 rd & take Larios as tune up.

You are going to talk about EM AND MAB for the rest of your life. Sorry to tell you that eventhough they are great fighters they are not the best ever, and Mexican people understand that, but you want to make Pac the best ever because he defeat them, but at the same time one of them defeat Pac as well. So what's your point?

[Thinman]

damn, this thread went crazy........

Yes, but because of the nuthuggers. :yep

[carras]

Yes, but because of the nuthuggers. :yep

no doubt...:patsch

[PacDbest]

Just ban PacDbest, he is the epitome of how pinoys can be unreasonable dumb asses. No wonder pinoys only excel as maids, and servants in other countries.

Pinoys are great pretenders. You explain one thing to them, but they won't understand because the level of comprehension is the worst in the world. Philippine education is one of the lowest if not at the very bottom.

No matter how you explain to these bunch of idiotic monkeys how things are, they won't understand cos their brains aren't made for that.

Ban for what??? For saying my opinion on a certain Fantasy Matchup???

You're the one should be Banned for Racist remarks & You're Foul language filled post of yours!!!

[boxbox]

Just ban PacDbest, he is the epitome of how pinoys can be unreasonable dumb asses. No wonder pinoys only excel as maids, and servants in other countries.

Pinoys are great pretenders. You explain one thing to them, but they won't understand because the level of comprehension is the worst in the world. Philippine education is one of the lowest if not at the very bottom.

No matter how you explain to these bunch of idiotic monkeys how things are, they won't understand cos their brains aren't made for that.


almost convinced you're pinoy:patsch...:rofl

[doknochrisan]

Just ban PacDbest, he is the epitome of how pinoys can be unreasonable dumb asses. No wonder pinoys only excel as maids, and servants in other countries.

Pinoys are great pretenders. You explain one thing to them, but they won't understand because the level of comprehension is the worst in the world. Philippine education is one of the lowest if not at the very bottom.

No matter how you explain to these bunch of idiotic monkeys how things are, they won't understand cos their brains aren't made for that.

Hey, are you Pinoy?

[doknochrisan]

Just ban PacDbest, he is the epitome of how pinoys can be unreasonable dumb asses. No wonder pinoys only excel as maids, and servants in other countries.

Pinoys are great pretenders. You explain one thing to them, but they won't understand because the level of comprehension is the worst in the world. Philippine education is one of the lowest if not at the very bottom.

No matter how you explain to these bunch of idiotic monkeys how things are, they won't understand cos their brains aren't made for that.

Cause if you are, SHAME on you for putting us down.

[Morrissey]

Just ban PacDbest, he is the epitome of how pinoys can be unreasonable dumb asses. No wonder pinoys only excel as maids, and servants in other countries.

Pinoys are great pretenders. You explain one thing to them, but they won't understand because the level of comprehension is the worst in the world. Philippine education is one of the lowest if not at the very bottom.

No matter how you explain to these bunch of idiotic monkeys how things are, they won't understand cos their brains aren't made for that.

Can't understand your fuckin' problem..:huh

So you think you are being smartass with your putdown of the Filipinos?:-(

STFU or just leave the forum if you don't have anything postive to say about your country...

[johnco]

dont hold your breath.

what this kid doesnt understand is pac lost to a past his prime morales and then beat him in two of morales' last fights. morales was still good, but it wasnt the same morales who fought barrera the first time when he was at his best. not only that, morales isnt in anyones top 10 130 pound fighters. sanchez kos azuma nelson at 126, who is a great feather and atg super feather. see, no comparsion.

:blood:blood pac lost due to the head butt... accept that fact dumby :D
look what happened to the 2 and 3 fight. you disappeared in this forum crying :nut:nut:nut

[johnco]

no doubt...:patsch

you guys are just fucking lossers who keep on getting tired by pac whooping your heroes :good

[johnco]

angel liu is a pinoy who wants to be white :lol::lol::-(:-(

[johnco]

i have this feeling angel lius current b.f. is allblack :blood:blood:blood
what do you guys think? :yep

[Pat_Lowe]

Is nelson an ATg & P4p fighter when he fought Sanchez??? Nelson is just a Replacement & only 15-0 at that time. Look who'e stupid now!!!

Morales not the same as on the Pac 1st fight & 10 months later on the 2nd fight???
.
MAB that fought Pac not the same as the Hamed fight. So who's MAB will be on Pac next fight???

You guys have so many excuses. It's not a coincidence that Pac KOed both & Almost finished JMM in 1 rd & take Larios as tune up.

You're the one who is coming up with the excuses. Pacquaio was beaten fair and square by Morales. He was outboxed and lost the decision. Cuts happen in boxing, its what happens when to people are trying to inflict enough damage on the opponent that they can no longer continue. Gloves mean shit all ok, if thats the reason you think Pacquaio couldn't beat Morales then you are an idiot. The gloves are 8 ounces (or whatever the fuck size they use) and they weren't the reason he couldn't beat or KO Morales in their first fight.

Now if Morales can beat a prime Pacquaio then that opens the door allowing the consideration of many other ATG's to beat Pacquaio.

Also, get over Pacquaio's wins over Morales, the fact is that Morales has lost 4 of his 5 fights (yes 2 of them to Pacquaio) and he is no longer considered to be in his prime, and hasn't been for a while. Many were questioning his status after the Raheem fight, Pacquaio just put an exclamation point on it. Morales was past his prime.

Lastly, could you please answer the question that has been asked numerous times, who could beat Pacquaio?

[johnco]

You're the one who is coming up with the excuses. k, if thats the reason you think Pacquaio couldn't beat Morales then you are an idioPacquaio was beaten fair and square by Morales. He was outboxed and lost the decision. Cuts happen in boxing, its what happens when to people are trying to inflict enough damage on the opponent that they can no longer continue. Gloves mean shit all ot. The gloves are 8 ounces (or whatever the fuck size they use) and they weren't the reason he couldn't beat or KO Morales in their first fight.

Now if Morales can beat a prime Pacquaio then that opens the door allowing the consideration of many other ATG's to beat Pacquaio.

Also, get over Pacquaio's wins over Morales, the fact is that Morales has lost 4 of his 5 fights (yes 2 of them to Pacquaio) and he is no longer considered to be in his prime, and hasn't been for a while. Many were questioning his status after the Raheem fight, Pacquaio just put an exclamation point on it. Morales was past his prime.

Lastly, could you please answer the question that has been asked numerous times, who could beat Pacquaio?
i dont buy your reasoning. pac's cut is huge and not just an ordinary one... if em is good how come he couldnt even put down a 1 eyed pac??? :-(
and what if we reverse the scenario and we give that cut to e.m.??? do you think it will make a difference... hell yah!! :yep
i am not taking anything from the first fight. em won fair and square but it is nothing special and nothing to brag about. if that is only your shining moment and clinging on to that win due to head butt, so be it cause i cant blame you, pac has been whooping those guys and its your mini solace :bbband dont say in 10 months em went from less great to nothing.. it is just plain stupid argument. pac whooped that ass plain and simple and proving his excuse of head butt is worhty to consider. and the manner of destruction is not u.d. it IS AN UTMOST DESTRUCTION :hi::hi:

[PacDbest]

You're the one who is coming up with the excuses. Pacquaio was beaten fair and square by Morales. He was outboxed and lost the decision. Cuts happen in boxing, its what happens when to people are trying to inflict enough damage on the opponent that they can no longer continue. Gloves mean shit all ok, if thats the reason you think Pacquaio couldn't beat Morales then you are an idiot. The gloves are 8 ounces (or whatever the fuck size they use) and they weren't the reason he couldn't beat or KO Morales in their first fight.

Now if Morales can beat a prime Pacquaio then that opens the door allowing the consideration of many other ATG's to beat Pacquaio.

Also, get over Pacquaio's wins over Morales, the fact is that Morales has lost 4 of his 5 fights (yes 2 of them to Pacquaio) and he is no longer considered to be in his prime, and hasn't been for a while. Many were questioning his status after the Raheem fight, Pacquaio just put an exclamation point on it. Morales was past his prime.

Lastly, could you please answer the question that has been asked numerous times, who could beat Pacquaio?

Johnco take care of the 1st part already.

I already answer this. The guys who could beat Pacquiao must have a Granite Chin, Quick reflexes, excellent Handspeed & a Great Defensive fighter. PBF, Duran to name a few comes to my mind but I will still pick Pac. Gomez is not the one.

[Morrissey]

Johnco take care of the 1st part already.

I already answer this. The guys who could beat Pacquiao must have a Granite Chin, Quick reflexes, excellent Handspeed & a Great Defensive fighter. PBF, Duran to name a few comes to my mind but I will still pick Pac. Gomez is not the one.

I hope you are not pulling our legs with that joke.

[mbandit]

i dont buy your reasoning. pac's cut is huge and not just an ordinary one... if em is good how come he couldnt even put down a 1 eyed pac??? :-(
and what if we reverse the scenario and we give that cut to e.m.??? do you think it will make a difference... hell yah!! :yep
i am not taking anything from the first fight. em won fair and square but it is nothing special and nothing to brag about. if that is only your shining moment and clinging on to that win due to head butt, so be it cause i cant blame you, pac has been whooping those guys and its your mini solace :bbband dont say in 10 months em went from less great to nothing.. it is just plain stupid argument. pac whooped that ass plain and simple and proving his excuse of head butt is worhty to consider. and the manner of destruction is not u.d. it IS AN UTMOST DESTRUCTION :hi::hi:
Excuses ,Excuses.Dont you know headbutts happen all the time its part of the sport,if pac couldnt handle that than he is not as great as you guys make him out to be.Let me give you an example : On that same night in the fight before pac and morales 1 jorge arce fought hussein hussein and was cut very badly by a headbutt and worse than pac,and what happened he fought on bloody and all just to ko his opponent in the tenth round.Why couldnt pac do that?Cuz morales beat him fair and square.And dont say about the gloves cuz a real champ wins regardless of what zize of gloves he his wearing.And keep in mind morales was not in his prime when he beat pac,he was showing signs way before the first fight.O yeha and just like pacdbest says the reason pac got koed early in his career is cuz of being weightdrained,so was erik morales in the second and third fight,thats why he moved up in weight.Any ways gomez wins by k.o!

[johnco]

I agree. Pacquiao fans are delusional. I have seen some go as far as saying he KO's Duran, Pryor, Sanchez and Arguello.

Scary stuff.

well match is being fantasized at 130 not more than that... :-(
the scary part is lot of haters are doing a fantasy match up where everything is in favor for the greats and as if the greats will just use 1 finger to put pac in the grave :blood:blood

damn you guys are talking about pac here. pound per pound numero dos not CABBY DRIVERS were duran fought under his resume.

AND THE SCARIER PART IS you are underminding pac where in fact you are comparing some quitters and no mas against the pound per pound dos. :-(:-(
thats delusional!!!! thats scarier stuff. :hi:

[johnco]

Pac fans are on another level with their nuthuggery. They can't be reasoned with. Noone takes them seriously, and the worst part is they truly believe what they're saying.; They can't be helped. If Pac's manager grows some balls and gets Pac a rematch with Marquez I bet you Pac fans won't be feeling so good then.

seet pea, your reasoning is very much respected but i do hope you respect ours :hey we have do have our own thinking. and please dont say that jmm... he chickened out for so long. :good

[puga_ni_nana]

Excuses ,Excuses.Dont you know headbutts happen all the time its part of the sport,if pac couldnt handle that than he is not as great as you guys make him out to be.Let me give you an example : On that same night in the fight before pac and morales 1 jorge arce fought hussein hussein and was cut very badly by a headbutt and worse than pac,and what happened he fought on bloody and all just to ko his opponent in the tenth round.Why couldnt pac do that?Cuz morales beat him fair and square.And dont say about the gloves cuz a real champ wins regardless of what zize of gloves he his wearing.And keep in mind morales was not in his prime when he beat pac,he was showing signs way before the first fight.O yeha and just like pacdbest says the reason pac got koed early in his career is cuz of being weightdrained,so was erik morales in the second and third fight,thats why he moved up in weight.Any ways gomez wins by k.o!

pac was forced not to wear his cleto reyes gloves. was that fair? it was not the size of the gloves that matter but the feel of the gloves. well all of us will say, what the heck, it was just gloves but pac could have feel, maybe psychologically, that it was not the right gloves. and pac showed everyone that he can KO the never been KO'd before morales with his puncher's gloves in the rematch.

and about the headbutt, pac handled the headbutt very well and displayed tremendous heart by not giving up even if the cut was so bad. he even made the first match a close one.

[johnco]

Excuses ,Excuses.Dont you know headbutts happen all the time its part of the sport,if pac couldnt handle that than he is not as great as you guys make him out to be.Let me give you an example : On that same night in the fight before pac and morales 1 jorge arce fought hussein hussein and was cut very badly by a headbutt and worse than pac,and what happened he fought on bloody and all just to ko his opponent in the tenth round.Why couldnt pac do that?Cuz morales beat him fair and square.And dont say about the gloves cuz a real champ wins regardless of what zize of gloves he his wearing.And keep in mind morales was not in his prime when he beat pac,he was showing signs way before the first fight.O yeha and just like pacdbest says the reason pac got koed early in his career is cuz of being weightdrained,so was erik morales in the second and third fight,thats why he moved up in weight.Any ways gomez wins by k.o!

so whose talking about excuses now??? :patsch:patsch
that fight was won by em no DOUBT ... but it is nothing to brag about my dear. nothing special. E.m won due to head butt admit that fact!! every fighter is different. pac's cut is along the eyesight. and he said he couldnt see. HOW CAN YOU BE A GREAT FIGHTER IF YOU CANT SEE YOUR OPPONENT DUMBY??? :lol::lol: and he proved itthe second time and third.. as i have been saying. he put ems ass into submission. not u.d. enough said

[ravtrav]

i don't understand why everybody hates pac fans. all these threads say pac vs ........., but when someone picks pac in these " what if " fight, everybody starts saying your a nutthugger, delusional, etc... why even make the thread if your only looking to bash pac and his fans cause they believe he can win. i wouldn't call us delusional but loyal.












don't hate us cause pac destroys all your heros (past and present) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[johnco]

i don't understand why everybody hates pac fans. all these threads say pac vs ........., but when someone picks pac in these " what if " fight, everybody starts saying your a nutthugger, delusional, etc... why even make the thread if your only looking to bash pac and his fans cause they believe he can win. i wouldn't call us delusional but loyal.












don't hate us cause pac destroys all your heros (past and present) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

very well said :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[puga_ni_nana]

i don't understand why everybody hates pac fans. all these threads say pac vs ........., but when someone picks pac in these " what if " fight, everybody starts saying your a nutthugger, delusional, etc... why even make the thread if your only looking to bash pac and his fans cause they believe he can win. i wouldn't call us delusional but loyal.












don't hate us cause pac destroys all your heros (past and present) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah i just don't get it. and the strange part of it was that not all pacfans are picking him at 122 vs gomez and yet they are generalizing pacfans as idiots.

[mbandit]

pac was forced not to wear his cleto reyes gloves. was that fair? it was not the size of the gloves that matter but the feel of the gloves. well all of us will say, what the heck, it was just gloves but pac could have feel, maybe psychologically, that it was not the right gloves. and pac showed everyone that he can KO the never been KO'd before morales with his puncher's gloves in the rematch.

and about the headbutt, pac handled the headbutt very well and displayed tremendous heart by not giving up even if the cut was so bad. he even made the first match a close one.
Just like e.m didnt feel comfortable in that weight and he was forced to fight in that weight cuz pac did not want to meet him at a catch weight of 132.

[mbandit]

so whose talking about excuses now??? :patsch:patsch
that fight was won by em no DOUBT ... but it is nothing to brag about my dear. nothing special. E.m won due to head butt admit that fact!! every fighter is different. pac's cut is along the eyesight. and he said he couldnt see. HOW CAN YOU BE A GREAT FIGHTER IF YOU CANT SEE YOUR OPPONENT DUMBY??? :lol::lol: and he proved itthe second time and third.. as i have been saying. he put ems ass into submission. not u.d. enough said
Exactly my point you see how i sound?Just exactly how you guys sound when you make excuses.And give me a break he could see his opponent its not like his eye was swollen shut.Many figthers have fought on to win and with worse cuts.Any ways e.m was winning way before the butt happened.

[johnco]

Exactly my point you see how i sound?Just exactly how you guys sound when you make excuses.And give me a break he could see his opponent its not like his eye was swollen shut.Many figthers have fought on to win and with worse cuts.Any ways e.m was winning way before the butt happened.

your delusional..... em was winning during the second fight until pac raped him in the 6th round and he was never the same. first fight can go either way if not for that head butt. and he couldnt see my dear... blood is flowing and he kept on wiping his eye part. he couldnt concentrate. google the pix and youll understand ...

[puga_ni_nana]

Just like e.m didnt feel comfortable in that weight and he was forced to fight in that weight cuz pac did not want to meet him at a catch weight of 132.

are you pertaining to the 3rd match? i think morales only asked for the catchweight of 132 before the 3rd match since he have a hard time getting into 130 during the 2nd match. i heard pac himself agreed to a catchweight of 132 but i don't know why it was still done at 130. maybe some rules or maybe pac's coach and advisers didn't buy into it.

but remember also, all the advantages were for morales during the first match like gloves, accidental headbutt and pac coming from 126 and was not yet familiar at 130.

[mbandit]

your delusional..... em was winning during the second fight until pac raped him in the 6th round and he was never the same. first fight can go either way if not for that head butt. and he couldnt see my dear... blood is flowing and he kept on wiping his eye part. he couldnt concentrate. google the pix and youll understand ...
Hey bro its things that happen in boxing if he could not cope well with the situation then thats his problem.he is a profesional figther and he should know these things happen,and he should be ready for them.Look at arce you dont think those cuts were bothering but he prevailed.how come pac couldnt do that?And when marquez fought pac he had a broken nose and look how well he did.And look at abrham against miranda broken jaw and he still won.And also corrales the first time all swollen and blodied and he came back to knock castillo out.Cotto had two bad cuts against judha and koed him.And james toney had a massive cut above his eye against tom littles worse than pac and still koed him,check on boxrec.com.and i can go on.these things happen in boxing,its part of the game not an excuse.

[johnco]

Hey bro its things that happen in boxing if he could not cope well with the situation then thats his problem.he is a profesional figther and he should know these things happen,and he should be ready for them.Look at arce you dont think those cuts were bothering but he prevailed.how come pac couldnt do that?And when marquez fought pac he had a broken nose and look how well he did.And look at abrham against miranda broken jaw and he still won.And also corrales the first time all swollen and blodied and he came back to knock castillo out.Cotto had two bad cuts against judha and koed him.And james toney had a massive cut above his eye against tom littles worse than pac and still koed him,check on boxrec.com.and i can go on.these things happen in boxing,its part of the game not an excuse.
as i have said i am not taking anything from e.m. he won but to say it is fair is crazy. what i have been saying is IF NOT FOR THE HEAD BUTT... WOULD it MAKE A DIFFERENCE? yes.that is why a rematched has been made to prove the first one. fighetrs are different. some fighters are great in doing it but it depends in the situation involved. arce's cut is way different from pac. pacs cut is terrible and he kept on wiping it out. it is a cut with a river of blood flowing. and mind you about jmm, he escaped becuase pac broke that left fist after the first round... as we have been discussing, these are not excuses but these are facts. rematched was made and pac prove along that he was absolutely right after all!

[mbandit]

as i have said i am not taking anything from e.m. he won but to say it is fair is crazy. what i have been saying is IF NOT FOR THE HEAD BUTT... WOULD it MAKE A DIFFERENCE? yes.that is why a rematched has been made to prove the first one. fighetrs are different. some fighters are great in doing it but it depends in the situation involved. arce's cut is way different from pac. pacs cut is terrible and he kept on wiping it out. it is a cut with a river of blood flowing. and mind you about jmm, he escaped becuase pac broke that left fist after the first round... as we have been discussing, these are not excuses but these are facts. rematched was made and pac prove along that he was absolutely right after all!
I hear you bro,you have your point of view and i have mine.You think the cut and gloves affected him in the first fight and i think morales lossing to raheem and barrera before facing pac being an indication of being past his prime and being weight drained affected him.

[PacDbest]

i don't understand why everybody hates pac fans. all these threads say pac vs ........., but when someone picks pac in these " what if " fight, everybody starts saying your a nutthugger, delusional, etc... why even make the thread if your only looking to bash pac and his fans cause they believe he can win. i wouldn't call us delusional but loyal.












don't hate us cause pac destroys all your heros (past and present) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You nailed Bro!!!!:good :happy

Remember the Warrior Fans Slogan in the last NBA Playoff??? "WE Believe!!!"

That's what we are Loyal Pac Fans, Pac makes us believe in him and He never dissapoints.

[kg0208]

You nailed Bro!!!!:good :happy

Remember the Warrior Fans Slogan in the last NBA Playoff??? "WE Believe!!!"

That's what we are Loyal Pac Fans, Pac makes us believe in him and He never dissapoints.

They lost in the second round....badly. :deal

[PacDbest]

They lost in the second round....badly. :deal

I just borrowed the slogan. That's where Pac & the Warriors differs. Pac actually brings the Bacon!!!

[puga_ni_nana]

Yeah when he's facing a past his prime former great he already beat. Let him rematch Marquez, I bet you boys will be singing a different tune. I like Pac when his ridiculous fans aren't ruining it for me.

so don't like him. we won't stop supporting him just for you.

[PacDbest]

Yeah when he's facing a past his prime former great he already beat. Let him rematch Marquez, I bet you boys will be singing a different tune. I like Pac when his ridiculous fans aren't ruining it for me.

Don't f --ing cry!!! You Pac haters guys are more annoying than us Pac fans.

[reed_man02]

Is nelson an ATg & P4p fighter when he fought Sanchez??? Nelson is just a Replacement & only 15-0 at that time. Look who'e stupid now!!!

Morales not the same as on the Pac 1st fight & 10 months later on the 2nd fight???
.
MAB that fought Pac not the same as the Hamed fight. So who's MAB will be on Pac next fight???

You guys have so many excuses. It's not a coincidence that Pac KOed both & Almost finished JMM in 1 rd & take Larios as tune up.

you are still dumbfuck. so what if nelson wasnt p4p at the time, that was a great performance put forth by an atg. you should know, pacman wasnt p4p when he beat mab, yet thats considered his best performance taking into account quality of fighter, dominance, and offensive display.

morales was basically the same fighter, just 10 months older. did i say he was someone different? manny just made the proper adjustments in the second fight combined with a past his prime morales who had just gone through another war and you have a fighter who legs give out.

pac beat mab fair and square, i never brought him up you fucking idiot. and who the fuck cares about larios.

[Morrissey]

bump.

I enjoy reading the posts here.

[ravtrav]

bump.

I enjoy reading the posts here.THE ONLY THING THATS MISSING IS JOHNCO'S PICTURES:rofl:yep

[johnco]

Yeah when he's facing a past his prime former great he already beat. Let him rematch Marquez, I bet you boys will be singing a different tune. I like Pac when his ridiculous fans aren't ruining it for me.

youre getting stupid sweet pea.... i guess you just dont know that pac busted his left fist after the first round :D:D go figure. google it so you'l understand. :good and jmm is 34... i hope you are not the one singing different tune after the fight :deal

[Drew101]

Bazooka by late rounds stoppage.

[johnco]

THE ONLY THING THATS MISSING IS JOHNCO'S PICTURES:rofl:yep

i am trying to be nice... just be patient my brother, if the pac haters becomes amnesic and blind, i'll be force to spank them WITH THE UTMOST POSITIVE EVIDENCE AND OWNAGE :yep:good

[Morrissey]

THE ONLY THING THATS MISSING IS JOHNCO'S PICTURES:rofl:yep

hehe..

Let us keep them coming...

:lol:

[Marcelo]

I just watch Gomez vs Laporte, it's part of my collection. Just watching Laporte give Gomez a hard time for 15 rounds makes me think that Gomez really have no chance to beat Pacquiao. Laporte is good but He lost in all his Big fights all through his career & Gomez can't put him Away?

Gomez style remind me of Cotto. They almost have the same speed & Style. But the Problem is Pac speed at 122 is almost twice the speed of gomez. Don't tell me Gomez has the best defense to survive Pac? Gomez no match for Pac!!! I suggest you watch this fight first before u bash me.

Pacdbest Knows it before hand. He knows Pac will dominate a Gomez style which is Cotto!!! Anybody else wants to dispute Pacdbest?

[Marcelo]

Are you saying Hatton is better than PBF???

PBF starts at 130, Hatton mostly at 140. PBF moved up & become successful coz he's got great skills & & quicker than every opponent he fought. Hatton probably stronger but we know what happened when he step up at 147, He failed & retreat back at 140. You can compare Gomez to Hatton they both failed. Pac & PBF are the same they moved up & beat bigger fighters except Pac Takes the best while PBF pick the one he can easily beat.

Still true today!!!

[Marcelo]

Anybody else change their opinions??

[IvyLeague]

Manny at 122 was so fuckin primitive that he'd get blown away by possibly the greatest 122lbs fighter ever in Gomez.. IT's not even close.

[kartog]

Ha ha ha nice archeological dig.
:lol: :rofl

[Babality]

I love PacDBest. He was a prophet.

[bandeedo]

I love PacDBest. He was a prophet.
the guy was class. i would shit all over him for his predictions and he always kept it clean. i later apologized for it when pac started following his script.

[pound]

@ 122 Gomez

[rulb]

I love PacDBest. He was a prophet.
pacd also predicted that pac would lose against margo right?

[st.anger]

pacd also predicted that pac would lose against margo right?


actually, pacdbest predicted that floyd would pu$$Y out right after pac's destructuion of cotto at nsb....the man has psychic powers , man......:bbb

[rulb]

actually, pacdbest predicted that floyd would pu$$Y out right after pac's destructuion of cotto at nsb....the man has psychic powers , man......:bbb
yeah ive read that one. but i remember him saying pac would lose to margo. i cant find the link though.

[paloalto00]

Gomez definitely

[el mosquito]

oh shit, i just witnessed the Legendary great Pacdbest going all out in a blaze of glory

[Interceptor]

Does Gomez have a Granite Chin??? Pac was unbeaten at 122, all wins by KO the one Draw was when he was robbed by the judges in the Foul filled fight with Sanchez.

Pac by KO in 2nd rd.Fuck outta' here:rofl

[azzir]

yeah ive read that one. but i remember him saying pac would lose to margo. i cant find the link though.

it's just probably a figment of your imagination.

[Zopilote]

At 122, Gomez beats TKOs him around the 13th (assuming its a 15 rd bout).

Anything above 122, Pacquaio TKOs him.

[Bill Butcher]

Gomez would stop Pac at 122, Morales & Barrera would tear his ass up at this weight too IMHO. Too ragged, too easy to hit & too easily outboxed.

[puga_ni_nana]

Gomez would stop Pac at 122, Morales & Barrera would tear his ass up at this weight too IMHO. Too ragged, too easy to hit & too easily outboxed.

did you stop for a while and think that it was basically a 122 pacquiao that came-up and fought barrera at 126?

[Marcelo]

did you stop for a while and think that it was basically a 122 pacquiao that came-up and fought barrera at 126?

They're too stupid to understand that.

[Bill Butcher]

did you stop for a while and think that it was basically a 122 pacquiao that came-up and fought barrera at 126?

Did you think for a second & realise that Barrera was a 126 lber for about 3 yrs when Pac moved up to fight him.... it certainly wasnt the 122 lb Barrera that took a peak Morales to the edge.

This proposed fight between Pacquiao & Barrera/Morales/Gomez is at 122 & he simply wasnt as good as those 3 at that weight.

[Bill Butcher]

They're too stupid to understand that.

You pacfucs are the dumbest breed on earth I swear, read my above post.

[bladerunner]

Gomez is arguably the best ever at 122 and Pac was still an under developed fighter at that weight i cant see any result other than a KO win for Gomez.

[Bill Butcher]

Gomez is arguably the best ever at 122 and Pac was still an under developed fighter at that weight i cant see any result other than a KO win for Gomez.

Thats the way I see it, Pac was far too open & willing to trade recklessly to hang with Gomez who had great power & was a superb technician that knew how to break his man down in devastating fashion.
I think he can beat Pac in a war or outbox him, either way Gomez wins.

Ps. The higher up in weight they go tho, the more it becomes a Pac fight to lose, 126 would be a tight fight but any higher I go Pacquiao all the way.

[El Bujia]

Gomez, once he got into his groove (it's possible he could have troubles with Pac's speed and aggression early on if he got careless) would've boxed circles around Pac en route to a stoppage in the later rounds. Two totally different classes of fighter at this weight.

[PH|LLA]

in a fantasy fight poll Pac will lose this one but in the reality I'd put my money on him to win.

[Marcelo]

You pacfucs are the dumbest breed on earth I swear, read my above post.

Read all Pacdbest arguments!! You'll learn more!! You cant be stupid forever.

[duranimal]

Thats the way I see it, Pac was far too open & willing to trade recklessly to hang with Gomez who had great power & was a superb technician that knew how to break his man down in devastating fashion.
I think he can beat Pac in a war or outbox him, either way Gomez wins.

Ps. The higher up in weight they go tho, the more it becomes a Pac fight to lose, 126 would be a tight fight but any higher I go Pacquiao all the way.

Spot on:yep

Manny gets beaten to a standstill by the Bazooka & i'am a big Manny fan:D

[Marcelo]

Spot on:yep

Manny gets beaten to a standstill by the Bazooka & i'am a big Manny fan:D


hey moron.. after pac deal a beating on mARgarito, did you have a change of thoughts?

[duranimal]

hey moron.. after pac deal a beating on mARgarito, did you have a change of thoughts?

Shut it you mug:bbb I've done the 11,000 mile round trip twice to go see Manny fight while you no doubt were having yer nappy changed by yer mammy while i was at the MGM roaring the packer on. Only a schoolgirl like you could ever use a Margo beatdown as evidence of Pac beating Bazooka & it's obvious that you don't even know who Wilfredo Gomez is do you!! Fuck Head....:deal

Now fuck off back to box-rec or the lounge you streak of paralysed piss:lol:

[Bill Butcher]

Gomez probably beats everybody at 122, he might even stop Pacquiao at this weight.... I think Morales & Barrera give Gomez a better fight than Pac at 122.

[puga_ni_nana]

Did you think for a second & realise that Barrera was a 126 lber for about 3 yrs when Pac moved up to fight him.... it certainly wasnt the 122 lb Barrera that took a peak Morales to the edge.

This proposed fight between Pacquiao & Barrera/Morales/Gomez is at 122 & he simply wasnt as good as those 3 at that weight.


Gomez would stop Pac at 122, Morales & Barrera would tear his ass up at this weight too IMHO. Too ragged, too easy to hit & too easily outboxed.

i quoted you because you are implying that barrera would tear pac's ass at 122 because pac was too ragged, too easy to hit and too easily outboxed. but i said that it was essentially a 122 version of pac that barrera fought. barrera should have outboxed, and hit him easily then or are you trying to excuse barrera as he would beat pac when he was at 122 then when he was more of a slugger than a fine technician and one of the top 3 p4p boxer by the time he fought pac?

[duranimal]

Gomez probably beats everybody at 122, he might even stop Pacquiao at this weight.... I think Morales & Barrera give Gomez a better fight than Pac at 122.

I'd go with Eric:yep But still a daunting task indeed:smoke

[WallDrOPInRIGHT]

who ever thinks Bazooka Gomez was just a Brawler needs to go as back at boxing as in the 50's 60's 70's and 80's and study pretty well man, Bazooka gomez went to panama to master his footwork, he was increadibly talented in reflexes one of the fighters to demonstrate the best hit and dont be hit beautifly, come on the guy treated his reflexes by having a rubber bouncing ball thrown at his head really fast from a range of about 7-8 feet from him standing in front of a wall and would have to use head movement to dodge it, the guy destroyed the most brutal mexican Ko artist of possibly all time Carlos Zarate, and 16 of the 32 consecutive Ko's were against international superstars with increadible talent, it was like defeating 16 mayweathers or 16 pacquiaos.. especially in the 80's everyone had heart, everyone was hungry, you had to fight your heart out because if you didnt a guy with 10 wins 0 by ko and 20 losses would put you on your ass if you didnt fight your ass off, the 80's were the 80's man, there wasnt this taking a knee, staying in the corner, referee stoppage early type of crap that goes on today its like as time goes by the human body takes less and less punishment, they dont make as many warriors as they used to in old days, but to the gomez subject, gomez downfall was his fame, unlike pacquiao and fighters like cotto that were raised in working class famillies thay have been able to be smart with their earnings till now, well gomez though he was a god when clearly their is only one upstairs and so became using drugs having sex drinking alcohol and barely training, by the ruben valdez fight you could see wilfredo having to land more and more to Ko people, and most importantly you would see him get hit more which was something odd to see when you would see wilfredo fight, but thats on him, i take nothing away from sanchez talent and win. well gomez had good hand speed, amazing foot work, amazing reflexes and head movement, prooved to have a good chin while he conditioned himself well, and the most effective shattering right hand ive ever saw, the way he meassured it and when you see him meassure you'd know he was going for the kill slowly, and boom you've see him land it, and see the opponent go down like trees, i put him with ray robinsons and marcianos right, and the rings magazine puts him 13 greatest puncher of all time out of 100...

id say other than 122lb pacquiao wins, gomez couldn't make weight in either weights as well, not the same skills , reflexes, power so i go for pacquiao at those higher weights...

as for the 122lb division i see a war, gomez caught with the left and right and stepping up his movement making manny miss at times with both hands and catching him with his effective check left hook, i see them trading and pacquiao missing more for the most part but rocking gomez a few times, gomez responding with his 6-7 body punch combos and his 1-2 straight - left upper cut - big right he was famous for, ultimately both fighters exhausted at the end gomez body work paying off, pacquiao slipping to the ropes and gomez jumping on him and measuring with the right while bombing with the left hooks and uppercuts, then Boom!! right hand right on the money and leaves pacquiao sitting for the night......

thats my opinion and i have alot of years of watching fights in all eras and studying all styles and i love both pacquiao and gomez so i dont want pac's delusional fans making him out to be this much bigger thing next to gomez, because with the Great Bazooka Gomez he comes up short in the 122lb division...

[elchivito]

Does Gomez have a Granite Chin??? Pac was unbeaten at 122, all wins by KO the one Draw was when he was robbed by the judges in the Foul filled fight with Sanchez.

Pac by KO in 2nd rd. who the hell did pacman fight at 122? Not Zarate and not Pintor. Morales and Gomez are considered the best at 122 of all time and Pacman lost to a past his prime Morales at 130. Gomez was a bigger puncher than Manny at 122 Gomez is no lelo ledwaba.:yep

[elchivito]

Gomez probably beats everybody at 122, he might even stop Pacquiao at this weight.... I think Morales & Barrera give Gomez a better fight than Pac at 122. :deal Exactly.

[WallDrOPInRIGHT]

who the hell did pacman fight at 122? Not Zarate and not Pintor. Morales and Gomez are considered the best at 122 of all time and Pacman lost to a past his prime Morales at 130. Gomez was a bigger puncher than Manny at 122 Gomez is no lelo ledwaba.:yep


yea but its useless to say it anyway, pac's fans are going to be indenial about this, no one can't compare the 80's, gomez right, boxing abilities, ability to hit and not get hit, to pacquiaos style even today, pacquiao really doesn't use any different style!!! only thing he's develop is to jump in and out faster and power (at the higher weight)... which is still suspicious and attenttion pulling for the roid subject, i like manny alot especially for him being humble, but his fans make him bad and give him a bad image, just like salvador sanchez fans give him a bad name when they trash talk sanchez opponents instead of respecting sanchez and the other warriors that were in these golden warrior eras ......